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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

WANTED:   pics of original schwinn locking fork keys posted by: jimmy on 3/3/2001 at 12:53:26 PM
or can you tell me if they were square or round i was told the originals were square any info is appreciated thanks

   RE:WANTED:   pics of original schwinn locking fork keys posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/3/2001 at 1:47:26 PM
These are round or squarish round. Good question. I 'll check.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   pics of original schwinn locking fork keys posted by jimmy on 3/3/2001 at 7:24:21 PM
thanks the lock smith here in town has got the original duplicates but they are square he look it up in his books and he said that is what the book came up with.but i thought they were hex shaped so i wanted some other opinion thanks, jimmy

AGE / VALUE:   WHAT THE HECK? TAKE A LOOK! posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/2/2001 at 12:48:04 PM
This is what I mean when I say this stuff is strange and tricky. This is totally unexpected, I have never heard of this. Never seen one of these, Is this a joke? Doesn't mean it isn't so because look at the picture! This proves that I have not learned enough about New Departure.

E-=BAY item #1118254908 New Departure Front Brake
This appears to be a coaster brake for the front wheel!

No relation to seller, not my auction, It's a strange piece.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   WHAT THE HECK? TAKE A LOOK! posted by MNSmith on 3/2/2001 at 2:27:07 PM
That is exactly what it is! A coaster brake for the front wheel. Wait 'till you get to the dyno hubs!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   WHAT THE HECK? TAKE A LOOK! posted by Ray on 3/2/2001 at 2:57:40 PM
Chris, Wait till you see the final bid. This puppy will demand big bucks as they are rare. I have had a few in the past and believe me they bring out the real high end Balloon bike restorers.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   WHAT THE HECK? TAKE A LOOK! posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/4/2001 at 1:36:17 PM
Hey! Be the first on your block to go over your handlebars! Thanks, now I know it is a real item and not a joke. To have come this far and never have heard about these shows that we need a book written on New Departure.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   WHAT THE HECK? TAKE A LOOK! posted by tom on 3/9/2001 at 12:11:12 PM
i have a roadmaster discoverer bike 26" i think thats the size of it. pretty sure it is. The bike is green. missing rear fender. How much is it worth?

AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by: johnny on 3/1/2001 at 6:34:30 PM
I recently found an old schwinn,that had a chain guard that looked like
the one from a phantom,but the schwinn logo at the bottom was cot off.
it has original spring forks with a&s bolts.The front rim has thick spokes
with big hub with holes,that has a schwinn logo inside.the serial number is FD85080,I have no idea what year it is . Would like to know

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by Cam on 3/2/2001 at 4:58:36 AM
Can you describe the frame? Can you find a similar frame on the Schwinns in the picture database? Does the front hub contain a drum brake?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by JOEL on 3/2/2001 at 9:48:09 AM
A quick scan of the serial number list (ON THIS SITE) shows the serial # is from 6/1968. If the second digit is a O instead of a D it could be 49... Where is the serial # located?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by johnny on 3/2/2001 at 1:00:26 PM
the serial number is on th rear left flange.thw bike also has a book rack that is similiar to the one in my schwinn book,bu has 3 cutouts instead of 2.
Iwas told by a local schwinn shop that they thought it was a 49, but wasnt sure.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by johnny on 3/2/2001 at 1:05:46 PM
the frame looks just like the frame off any old schwinn.the front rim does not have any brakes.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by MNSmith on 3/2/2001 at 2:28:57 PM
It won't be a 1949 with the number on the drop out. In 1949, the numbers were still on the bottom bracket.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by JOEL on 3/2/2001 at 2:38:50 PM
Yep, Must be a 68.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by johnny on 3/2/2001 at 5:24:13 PM
do you know what model it could have been?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn posted by Joel on 3/4/2001 at 5:48:58 AM
Hard to say. I'm not sure which midweight models were still around in 68. And it sounds like some parts have been changed out. Maybe a Jaguar or American ???

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by: Eric Law on 3/1/2001 at 12:31:08 PM
Hi i have a 55 schwinn corvette 3 speed. i am looking for some one who has any info on the length of the inner and outer trigger shift 3 speed cable, and what kind of front rack came on them, also did they come with white wall tires, im restoring this bike, Thank you Eric.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by sam on 3/1/2001 at 2:50:49 PM
Schwinn Corvette--Most luxurious of the new middleweight models,with 3-speed gears,front and rear brakes,stainless steel fenders,chrome headlight,whitewall tires and a handsome spring-type front luggage carrier on 26-inch models.Also available with coster brake. carrier was aluminum and tires were schwinn tornado 1.75 whitewall---sam

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by Kevin C. on 3/1/2001 at 2:54:39 PM
I believe the proper book rack is the one made of aluminum with an extra joint in the "springer" part to allow a thick stack of books to be carried without falling out. That's the kind that is on my old Corvette, anyway, and I'm sure it's original.

   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/1/2001 at 5:19:32 PM
I see one of these racks on a decrepit rusting bike down in the subbasement of this old shop. This rack with the extra cross pieces in the bottom. These are aluminum and the one I see is pretty beat up with a piece missing and well, when I get one of these I will want it N.O.S. Lovely rack!

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by sam on 3/1/2001 at 5:42:57 PM
The rack is a Mayweg--made in germany--and the correct one should have a blue tag on the front that says so.Also the corvette colors were opal-red-blue or green--also black enamel---sam

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by Eric Law on 3/1/2001 at 7:13:24 PM
Thanks every one for your help, still looking for a trigger shift 3 speed cable,, Eric

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by Cam on 3/2/2001 at 5:03:37 AM
The bookrack is sometimes called a 'mouse trap' rack.

The cable is a 2 piece gray Sturmey-Archer unit with an attached barrel. VVVintage sells them on this site. See their NOS cables on their for sale page. They have them listed under English roadster parts, but it says they are for Schwinns.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn corvette posted by avanti_tomf@yahoo.com on 3/2/2001 at 5:09:54 AM
Cable length is 54 x 17 1/2. Seller 1bike on Ebay has new carriers for about $42. Don't sweat trying to get the right tag.

MISC:   colors posted by: wayne on 2/28/2001 at 4:23:33 PM
Was wondering if anybody could tell me if the white they used on scwhinn bikes in the 40's or 50's was a true white or a cream color. I'm restoring a B-6 and the original color was a green and what a appears to be a white or off-white.

   RE:MISC:   colors posted by sam on 2/28/2001 at 5:25:45 PM
the color was listed as ivory.only the starlet listed a white(cloud white) and yes it was a cream color.I find the One shot pinstrip paint in ivory to be the same(or close)to the cream used on the new headbadges---sam

AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by: aaron on 2/28/2001 at 3:49:05 PM
i have been running into a lot of three speed sturmey archer hubs lately that are aluminum alloy. Some come off of light wieght schwinn world travelers others come off of corvettes and tigers. i have them from 1952, 1953, 1957, and 1958. are these hubs more desirable than the regular chrome ones at that time and what other mid-wieght or balloon tire producing brands besides schwinn used these hubs?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by Nick on 3/1/2001 at 12:19:09 AM
I agree with you aaron that the 3 speed sturmey-archer model AW that are made out of aluminum alloy are really nice. In fact I have a 1953 World Traveler that I recently got done cleening up that has a aluminum 3 speed sturmey-archer hub.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by Gary on 3/1/2001 at 5:16:45 AM
I would run that question by the guys on the English Roadster section of this site. They know a lot about SturmeyArcher hubs

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/1/2001 at 9:44:12 AM
These alloy shell hubs are 1/3 lighter than steel shell hubs and they are a bit sought after. They have a cool looking patina to them. They made these from 1948 to 1959. A vintage hub and also something used is worth a little more if it is an alloy shelled hub. They polish up wonderfully and the sound of the pawl spring clicking inside is diffrent if it is inside an alloy shell hub. I love these hubs! Schwinn had an agreement and they used the English Sturmey-Archer hubs in some of their bikes and some of these were alloy shelled hubs. My Traveler from 1954 has the alloy shell hub. The Schwinn Traveler itself is unbelievably heavy, but there are folks who love this bike anyway.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by guido on 3/1/2001 at 8:16:57 PM
I have a 1950 aluminum Sturmey, but it isn`t an AW. It is an AB that has a drum brake in it. I bought a pre war New World cheap with a bunch of non original parts on it just to get the hub. It was worth it! Nice to shine up and no rim brakes. One sweet hub!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/2/2001 at 12:28:06 PM
I am not being disagreeable. I would not doubt it for a minute with all the crazy twists and turns in following Sturmey and Raleigh. However this is the first time I have ever heard of a brake hub having an alloy shell. The Sturmey-Archer Story book is not exact in covering alloy hubs and I have a T.C.3 in alloy shell so why not with yours too? The B.S.A. Hublight (B.S.A.'S dynohub) had an alloy shell but a Sturmey brake hub? This is a great find! Unless you have a T.C.W. mark 3 also.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   aluminum alloy Sturmey Archer hubs posted by guido on 3/2/2001 at 6:40:13 PM
No Christopher you are most correct. I just thought it was aluminum. Someone had a hubshiner on it I believe and it gave the chrome a little bit of a satin finnish in the center and looked like it, but when I looked closer and rubbed a little on the flange some real nice chrome popped out. So it turns out it`s just real good rust and chip free chrome, But I still like it a lot.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: JOEL on 2/28/2001 at 1:40:00 PM
Anyone know the URL for the Monark Silver King website?

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by: Tony on 2/27/2001 at 7:43:07 PM
I was wondering if Schwinn used non Schwinn rims on some of their older models. I have a 58 Deluxe Spitfire that has standard "american" type rims and a non Schwinn stem. Some of the old pictures I have definately show the stem. I can't make out the rims though. Schwinn literature I have states various models with "schwinn tubular" but not on all models. This is bugging me. Any one know for sure?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by jeff on 2/28/2001 at 11:55:38 AM
According to the tire and rim chart on this site, Schwinn has it's own set of rims and they differ from the standard American rims. The chart is at:


I don't think your Spitfire has the correct rims.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by JOEL on 2/28/2001 at 1:19:17 PM
Should have Schwinn S7 rims.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by aaron on 2/28/2001 at 3:43:40 PM
my 1958 spitfire has regular Schwinn rims with a schwinn approved front hub and a rear one speed schwinn approved hub. my fenders and frame size seem to be able to fit balloon wheels on as well.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Gordon on 2/28/2001 at 5:59:58 PM
I have run into several of the low end middleweights that have the drop center painted rims instead of the S7's. Last one I remember was a 1959 Typhoon.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Tony on 2/28/2001 at 7:31:17 PM
I have run across afew myself with those rims. My 53 Speedster also has them, but I'm thinking that it should have s-7's also. Thanks everyone for your input!

   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by MNSmith on 2/28/2001 at 10:35:17 PM
Middle weights didn't come along until 1955, so S-7's wouldn't be correct for 1953. Drop centers were still possible though. Are you sure your Speedster is a 1953? I don't have my books with me right now, but I think the Speedster name came along later than 1953 and was a middle weight, then a light weight. Maybe a 1957??

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Tony on 3/1/2001 at 2:23:54 PM
You know..I think your right. I'm just starting out on this endeaver and I am buying a few bikes here and there. I'm trying to collect some books and such to help identify the year model, etc. of the bikes. The serial# is A028786 which according to this site is a 53. However, my oldest brochure is a 54 and has no speedster in it. So...? Was radiant red around in 53?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by sam on 3/1/2001 at 5:58:39 PM
I'm told that around 1959 or so schwinn sold some cheap bikes made in germany to be compedive with other makers.some I'm told came with 3-speeds (sach) and did not have the s-7 rims ---sam

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Gordon on 3/1/2001 at 6:29:21 PM
According to the serial number chart in my book your bike was made Jan. 21, 1960. The same book also indicates 1959 to be the first year for the Speedster.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Tony on 3/1/2001 at 7:00:45 PM
Hey, thanks...What book do you have to find that?

   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Gordon on 3/1/2001 at 9:00:06 PM
It is called "Collectable Schwinn-Built Bicycle's 1950's - 1960's" by James L. Hurd.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   rim types posted by Gordon on 3/1/2001 at 9:02:31 PM
OOPS! That should be "1950's - 1965".

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn s-2 wheel set posted by: Noel on 2/27/2001 at 1:49:00 PM
I would like to know the value of a schwinn wheel set. The rear wheel is a three or two speed new departure hub coaster brake and the front wheel is an expander brake hub. They have some rust but I was able to clean one of the wheels and it came out fine. What style of bike did they normmaly come on? Thanks in advance for some help.

BALLOON:    1938-39 Elgin twinbar posted by: Robert on 2/23/2001 at 6:06:30 PM
What's the going rate for this bike. I see one that is all original, except the tires which are nos lightning darts. Paint on bike is black and white. Also includes a super clean delta torpedo front loader fender light. I rate this bike an 8. I don't want to offer too much for it. At the same time I don't want to insult the seller either. I found an example in Evolution II for a restored bike. States price at $ 1000+ .


   RE:BALLOON:    1938-39 Elgin twinbar posted by Joel Z on 2/23/2001 at 7:23:12 PM
Robert, You need to provide more info. Is this a twin 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60? They also made twinbars with 2 front load torpedos, one on each side of the headshroud. These are referred to 4 stars. If you can provide an accurate description of it's condition and what parts are included, I'm sure someone can come up with a price range.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:    1938-39 Elgin twinbar posted by Robert on 2/23/2001 at 9:30:44 PM
How do I tell if it's a 20-30-40....etc? There is one light mounted on front fender. There is a picture on page 69 in Evolution II. This looks the same as the one I am interested in, except no floating hub. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would say it's an 8.


   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:    1938-39 Elgin twinbar posted by Robert on 2/23/2001 at 9:35:03 PM
One more bit of info, maybe this will help. There is a decal on seat post, and it has the model # 501-149.


BALLOON:   Schwinn ballon rider wanted! posted by: Tim P. on 2/23/2001 at 3:03:17 PM
Having trouble with new AT&T@home account, please email to the AOL account. I'm looking for an older schwinn that would serve as a nice rider and want a mens frame. Condition wanted- ready to ride. Not looking for a phantom either! Would prefer a coaster or 2-speed. Thanks, Tim P.

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn ballon rider wanted! posted by Tim P. on 2/27/2001 at 7:20:57 AM
Found the bike I was looking for. Thanks Kevin C!

AGE / VALUE:   rixe bicycle posted by: David on 2/22/2001 at 8:59:43 PM
Has anyone information on a "RIXE" 26" coaster brake cruiser style bicycle? It say's it's made in Western Germany. Its not in perfect condition but it' ridable. Looking forward to any information anyone may have.
Thanks David

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rixe bicycle posted by sam on 2/23/2001 at 6:08:06 AM
May be a long shot but I'd try dropping down to the lowrider page and talking to Sebastian,he's from Germany.There isn't to much info on German bikes,maybe someone in germany might help.http://www.lowriderbike.de/ is his web site---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rixe bicycle posted by David on 2/23/2001 at 5:41:44 PM
Thank you Sam I'll try that.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rixe bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin on 2/26/2001 at 1:56:20 PM
I have always said that a used bookstore is a great place to find old books on cycle repair and cycling in general. But lets take it a step further, Where do you find information on a Rixe brand cycle? How about a used bookstore in Germany and also a rare book dealer who could help track down cycle publications. Where does one go when you want to find information on something like this. A brand name of a product made by a West German company, something made some time ago? I'm sure there is a way that we are overlooking.

WANTED:   Schwinn Men's Balloon Frame posted by: MNSmith on 2/21/2001 at 10:07:08 PM
Wanted!! Schwinn Men's Balloon frame. Serial #D04962 - D20329. The closer to D04962 the better. That makes it a 1952 frame. Straight bar or DX prefered. Whatcha got??

   RE:WANTED:   Schwinn Men's Balloon Frame posted by Gary Bilbrey on 4/28/2001 at 9:39:34 AM
I have an old Schwinn mens straight bar frame but with ser number 8L 36877 26"

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn world posted by: bob on 2/21/2001 at 5:31:57 AM
Identification, age, value? ser# starts with c56xxx, Schwinn world, frame looks like an Iver Johnson with the truss, has 26 x 1 1/2" tires and what looks like "paperboy" handlebars. Bow pedals and regular pitch chain. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn world posted by BillG on 2/22/2001 at 5:19:48 AM
A Schwinn that old cannot be properly dated because the serial number lists for pre-1948 bikes were destroyed in a fire. That truss bridge frame makes it a particularly good keeper. The bow pedals and regular pitch chain don't sound right, though.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn world posted by bob on 2/23/2001 at 5:23:45 AM
Thanks for the info. Bob

WANTED:   28" Tires and Tubes posted by: Robert on 2/20/2001 at 9:47:17 PM
I am looking for replacements to put on a 1933 Colson Flyer Motobike. Originals were U.S. Chain Treads or U.S. Clinchers. Chances are slim to none that these will ever pop up, so I am interested in ideas from anyone who can assist. Thanks.


   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Kevin C. on 2/21/2001 at 5:12:12 AM
Try cokertires.com. They have 28-inch tires for $125 each.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Kevin C on 2/21/2001 at 8:55:16 AM
Make that cokertire.com. Sorry for the extra "s."

   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Charlie on 2/21/2001 at 11:45:55 AM
You may also want to try Harper Manufacturing. I think they are located in Dunbar, West Virginia. Sorry I don't have the contact information handy, but if you search around the internet or call information, they have a phone number.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Christopher on 2/21/2001 at 3:03:49 PM
Where is the tooling that made the "Chain Tread" tires? Dust it off, fit it in the machine, knock some of them out before the guys get back from lunch and ask you "What in the heck are you doing!!!!??, "Where did you find that tooling?" Youre supposed to be making truck parts! "We can't leave you alone for 5 minutes can we?" Did it go to China or Taiwan? I have not seen this particular tread patern pop up like the other patterns have. These "Chain Treads" are cool! They made these in red as seen on the Schwinn Areocycle and in black in diffrent sizes. Wish I could offer advice but go with the two suggestions you were given it is probably your best bet besides checking e-bay and the occaisonal swap meet. I'm not all that familar with what Coker sells but that is what the web page is for! One thing I do know is we all should be glad and grateful they are with us. CChris

   Harper phone # posted by Charlie on 2/22/2001 at 1:06:06 PM
Harper Machine & Manufacturing Co. (304) 768-1147

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Rif on 2/23/2001 at 4:16:50 PM
Recently re-read an article in an old Rod&Custom (automobile), I believe it said that Coker tire has the molds for the old U.S. Chain tread.
I'm not positive and I repacked the magazine in storage, but it's worth asking about...

   Attention Ken Martin posted by Robert on 2/23/2001 at 6:31:00 PM
Hi Ken, I received your email and I tried to reply back, however messages came back undeliverable. I would like to get phone number from your supplier for the tires you had mentioned. Thanks so much.