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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Goods Flyer posted by: jim on 5/4/2001 at 11:29:35 PM
I just picked up a headbadge on ebay that I plan to put on my junky Hiawatha. There is a buttload of NOS Wheel Goods Flyer headbadges out there. My question is has anyone seen or has heard of such a bike ? Being that the Hiawatha is pat Columbia, schwinn, Roadmaster , Monark and Napa will I have the first?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wheel Goods Flyer posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/13/2001 at 10:18:23 AM
Stacks of them in little onion skin tissue paper between then to prevent scratching. I bought one and he got angry and gave them to me.

BALLOON:   Geo. Washington Centenial prewar bike posted by: Robert on 5/4/2001 at 3:49:49 PM
Made by Clevland. Motorbike has no tank. Bike was painted red, white, and blue. I saw one today in a pile of rusty bikes. This is one I've never seen before. I was thinking of putting it together to ride on the 4th of July. Anyone have any info on this bike?? Please contact me. Thanks.


BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by: Jeff on 5/4/2001 at 6:39:39 AM
OK, what is the proper way to fasten fender braces to fender? Bolts or rivets and what type of rivets if so? Bolts are easier, but the originals were riveted. I hope I don't over use this Message board area. Thanks forthe help.

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by A Freind on 5/4/2001 at 3:50:17 PM
Hi Jeff, What I use is the rivet head, with the threaded stem. I buy these by 25 rivets and nuts for around 5 or 6.00 a bag. Memory Lane carries them in stock. Once you get your hands on them, apply a little loctite on your threads, or get your sisters or girlfriends nail polish and apply to the threads. Remember becareful when tightening your rivets; you don't want to counter sink the fender".

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by MNSmith on 5/5/2001 at 11:17:27 AM
A FRIEND is correct if you want your fender together and looking somewhat original. But the correct way for a true restoration is to use rivets. The are usually a 1/4" blind rivet with a dome top. Stainless or chrome will do the trick. You will need a rivet setting tool to set them whether it is the squeeze type or hammer and anvil setting type.

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by Jeff on 5/5/2001 at 5:42:32 PM
Thanks for the tips. I'm going to ride it this next weekend May 12th 30 miles for MS. I will use the bolts for now, but I like those bolt rivets. And be gentle. Thanks again for responding. Jeff in Minnesota.

AGE / VALUE:   Balloon Tire Bicycles posted by: gary on 5/3/2001 at 8:17:22 PM
HELP!!! Have located a beautiful, if somewhat rusty, 1953 issue Montgomery-Ward girl's bicycle. I recall these to have 2 3/4 or 3 inch ballon tires. Serial no. of this bike is B22454 53. Am also intersested in any data pertaining to the original color schemes. This one is, through age, almost a "Kelly" green.

FOR SALE:   Rear carrier bags posted by: thetoyking on 5/3/2001 at 6:42:06 AM
I have a very cool set of Lime Green rear carrier bags. You ask what are rear carrier bags? Well they are a bowling bag shaped bag that fits snuggly in your rear carrier baskets. The have handles so when you get to the store on you bike you can remove them, fill them up, and put back in the baskets. There is a pair and they are NOS! Very cool bags. $25 shipped! Please e-mail if interested. Thanks!

AGE / VALUE:   Nonpareil Bike Works St Louis Mo. posted by: Gary on 5/1/2001 at 9:13:15 PM
Just found this relic in a barn, rubber rotted off. it appears to be a Cleveland Welding bike, or a close copy. it has rear dropouts, with adjusters, New Departure Hub, with no model name or number. Kelly on rear, Goodyear on front, in peices. Says NONPAREIL at an angle on head badge. same as the candy. Any body seen or have another one? Oddly enough its a standard type chain setup. looks to have 20s type pullback bars on it. ????????????????????

BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by: Jeff on 5/1/2001 at 2:16:16 PM
Question: do the locking headsets on Schwinn bicycles not allow the key to be removed when unlocked? Good idea for the way kids loose keys. Thanks for any feed back.

   RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by Gordon on 5/1/2001 at 4:25:01 PM
That is correct. I'm guessing that is also why so many of those forks have broken off keys in them. If the bike was dumped on that side with the key in there...........

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by Jeff on 5/2/2001 at 6:51:22 AM
Thanks for the tip Gordon. Another question, putting tires on Schwinn rims I must have gotten lucky last year but I blew up the first one I put on this year! What is the proper way to seat the bead? Thanks again Jeff.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by A friend on 5/3/2001 at 9:15:24 AM
Hi Jeff, How to put a tire on. 2 things come to mind; when using a cheap tube, you will notice when filling with air a large bubble in the tube. This means your tire will come apart at the bead when filling with air. The correct way of puttig air is; put a little air, then roll the tire and rim on the floor. Put some more air, and repeat the process again. Take note that when filling you aware of the bead at all times. If you notice seperation, remove a little air, then roll again. This will even out your bead so it will seat on the rim evenly. The second thing that comes too mind is, buy a good quality tube, and do away with half the trouble. But still by all means be aware of your air pressure at all times. Also remember old tubes will tend to have cracks, and will blow up even with low air pressure. Another thing to remember, how bad is the bead on the tire? Will it cut into the tube? Run your finger on your tire bead, is it sharp and rigid? Is your finger cut yet? Think about that for a moment, putting air in a new tube with a tire bead rough and jagged.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Black Phantom MS 30/60 posted by Jeff on 5/4/2001 at 6:38:38 AM
Thanks for the help, "afriend" I really appreciate the input a person can get from this site.

AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer posted by: dave on 5/1/2001 at 7:08:35 AM
I know nothing about balloon tire bikes, but saw this at a rummage sale, it had an interesting hub and was cheap. It's a girls Western Flyer, frame is damaged (weld where the bottom of the two curving "downtubes" would join the bottom bracket is broken).
Rear hub is a "New Departure Model D" with a lube hole. Also says New Departure on the coaster brake arm.
Crank is a skip tooth, with the right arm curved. Has rear horizontal dropouts with adjusting screws in the front. Also has two curving rods that go from the front hub up to a piece of hardware on the stem.
Rims are painted, tires are Goodyear AirWheel All Weather 26x2.125 (hold air but some sidewall cracking).

Age? Any value to the hubs or misc parts?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer posted by Joel on 5/1/2001 at 9:42:04 AM
Might be some good parts. Probably a Cleveland Welding or columbia bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer posted by Gary on 5/1/2001 at 10:34:42 PM
if the weld is broken, just strip it take it to a welding shop and have it fixed, and sandblasted. repaint it, rechrome the bad stuff, and you will have an awesome bike.
so what if an old weld failed. brass it up, smooth it down, repaint ut and life goes on for a nice Antique Balooner.

AGE / VALUE:   Swap Meet June 24, Boston, MA posted by: Joe on 4/30/2001 at 6:44:06 PM
Bicycle Swap meet, June 24, 2001. Under the Bridge, Boston, MA. Interstate 93 North or South. Approximately 1 mile North of Downtown Boston, Exit 28 Sullivan Square around the rotary "Under the Bridge" Rain or shine.. This show is free to everyone and vendors.. If you have any questions please email me.

Thank you.

AGE / VALUE:   Cleveland Welding Company "Roadmaster" 193? posted by: David on 4/30/2001 at 2:16:47 PM
Can anyone tell me anything about this bike? I was told by 1 source it was made in 1930-31,& by another,the late 30's. I'd like to know both the yr it was made & the value of it? It's got "half-circle" shaped handlebars & the chain has a long link then a short link,to accommodate the 1" space between the teeth on the sprocket. Is this considered a "balloon tire" bike? Middle or heavyweight? I don't know the difference.If it's worth a fair sum to anyone,I'd sell it(*TAKE NOTE*),if not I'd happily keep it.Pics on request if your interested in it or if it would help you to identify it.Thank you!!! David

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cleveland Welding Company posted by Gordon on 5/1/2001 at 5:27:22 AM
It is almost impossible to tell the year without a photo. The Cleveland Welding bikes (Roadmaster, Hawthorne, Hiawatha, Western Flyer, and others) looked very similar over a long span of time from the 30's to the 50's. I have a 1953 Hawthorne in the database with exactly the features you are describing, yet yours could still be from the 30's. Value depends on the condition, completeness and mood of the buyer and seller at the time of the sale.

MISC:   Bicycle Accessories- What's your favorite? posted by: Matt on 4/30/2001 at 2:34:27 PM
Hey everyone, I was just watching Pee-Wee's Big Adventure for like the 30th time, and it got me wanting to place a post. What is everyone's favorite vintage/classic bicycle accessory? Saddlebags? Wheel spiral discs? Tiger-headed loudspeakers?

   RE:MISC:   Bicycle Accessories- What's your favorite? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/30/2001 at 4:00:00 PM
A saddle bag that would hold as much chain as they show in the movie would come in handy!
There is a bicycle mascot on e- bay, it is a toy rocket that plugs into your generator, so it lights up! Propellers, light up stuff, horns, bells, map holders,flags,mudflaps,spinning discs, there is a lot to choose from isn't there!
How about a cow catcher thing like they have on the front of old trains? Something that brushes the dog away from your wheels preventing a fall! Perhaps a small handlebar- mounted cannon that shoots out a net for that pit bull that has been digging his way out under the fence all afternoon in anticipation of meeting you! Look out Cugo at twelve o clock! How about a thing that holds a small portable tv set in front of you? Nightvision cams front and rear wired into your bike helmet like they had on Airwolf? Spot a pothole a mile away! A cell phone mounted into the bike helmet? A little gizmo that drops down onto the rear wheel for a bit of added thrust at the touch of a button? (I'm thinking about that dog again)

   RE:RE:MISC:   Bicycle Accessories- What's your favorite? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/30/2001 at 4:07:40 PM
Something to wrap around my legs in case the dog tries to take a few bites out of me perhaps? A dog grabs your heal doesn't it? Why isn't something made to aid against naughty dogs?
I need a reminder note on the handlebars so I do not forget that pole right in my path after I round this one corner. I keep forgetting that this thing is there despite it being on my way.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Bicycle Accessories- What's your favorite? posted by jim on 5/1/2001 at 12:07:53 AM
How about a wheel-mounted friction air pump connected to a dog whistle. Sounds good in theory but might turn out like a tragic version of the Pied Piper.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Bicycle Accessories- What's your favorite? posted by Kevin C. on 5/1/2001 at 3:57:51 PM
Just use the bike pump for a club. Works every time.

AGE / VALUE:   30'S Vintage "Roamer "bike posted by: Tom on 4/29/2001 at 9:31:12 PM
I need some help dating this bike. I was told it was from the 30's. It is a ladies single speed. Headbadge says ROAMER The Robert Simpson Company Made in Canada. The rear hub says Made In England 1937, there is a 5 or 6 letter word that I can't make out. It is poorly stamped. The hub is mint. The front hub says Philips Celtonia , All Steel Hue, Large Balls 1/4", Made in England. The crank is Made in England. The seat is a Dunlop Bates, other words on it I couldn't make out, 3coil springs.The frame has been braised at the seat tube and the rear stays. Other than that the bike is in very good shape. If I buy it I may have to part it out because of the frame but it is worth it because of the parts on the bike. It also comes with 2 excellent tool pouches with tools to go under the seat and a pump that goes on the frame. Can anyone help me date the bike and parts.

MUSCLE BIKES:   amf westpoint posted by: travis on 4/29/2001 at 4:36:41 PM
I have an amf westpoint bike. Bananna seat Highrise handlebars i would like any info on it can't find anything thanks trav.

FOR SALE:   Late 40's Schwinn straightbar w/locking springer posted by: Jim on 4/29/2001 at 4:55:18 AM
For Sale Barnfresh late 40's Schwinn Straightbar with locking springer(no key of course) Painted S-2's. Frame and guard has been repainted, fenders and springer are original paint. Nice restoration project or ride it as is. One pedal is different also. $250 shipped Picture can be seen at http://www.coconutgirls.com/bikeyard/schwinn or email for picture.

   RE:FOR SALE: Late 40's Schwinn straightbar w/locking springer posted by Steve on 4/29/2001 at 5:41:36 AM
All you get at that url is binary garbage. Browser is Netscape 4.75 on Red Hat 7.0


   RE:RE:FOR SALE: Late 40's Schwinn straightbar w/locking springer posted by Jim on 4/29/2001 at 4:18:05 PM
Try it here Steve. http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-010f.jpg

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE: BIKE IS SOLD posted by Jim on 5/4/2001 at 4:11:59 AM
Bike is sold

AGE / VALUE:   trying to identify two bicycles posted by: Steve on 4/28/2001 at 6:27:36 PM
I have two older bicycles I would like to try to identify. The male is a balloon tire. The top of the frame has one solid bar and under that bar are two smaller bars in the standard male frame look. Paint looks original and is a tan color. The front sprocket has stars cut in it at random locations and of random sizes. The forks have a stainless cap and 3 steel ribs at the top. The female is a 3 speed with the same style forks. It is a blue color and has smaller tires. Probably what is thought of as a middleweight. Both are 26 inch. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   trying to identify two bicycles posted by Joel on 4/30/2001 at 6:47:00 AM
The star sprocket is the only clue here...Have a look at AMF/Roadmaster bikes in the picture database and see if anything matches.