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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia 1 speed tandem posted by: Jonathan on 7/10/2001 at 12:39:27 AM
The big yellow "tank" was too much to resist buying for $100.
It is in near mint condition. The problem is that I can't locate
a serial number anywhere on the frame. There is a stem badge; "Columbia/ Westfield, Mass"
and nothing else. The seats are Mesinger springers. Since I just brought it home from the
thrift store, I haven't had time to ride it, except around the block. It handles
like a boat. Weight is pushing 50 pounds. Wheelbase is 67 1/2 inches. The caliper
front brake is made in Japan...maybe not original. I wonder if this bike may have been part of a fleet of rentals for beach cruising.
I know $100 seems like a lot, but the condition is nearly new, even the rims are
new looking and the hubs are like new. THe front hub has a
post with a ball bearing for applying lubricant thats in the middle of the spindle housing.
I'd guess late fifties? Any ideas for dating/evaluating the
collectibility? Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia 1 speed tandem posted by Rick on 7/11/2001 at 12:36:10 PM
I have one of these. My wife bought it for me as a bd present
one summer. Worst riding tandem I've ever owned. I gave
it all new bearings & chains. Didn't help. Then one day
at the local Dairy Queen, I bent over the bike and happened
to see the connecting chain snap tight! Hey! Well it turns
out the boob tube wasn't welded to the rear bottom bracket.
This model has the tube pass thru a hole in the shell and
was supposed to welded on the inside but wasn't! So
the chain was taking all the load when riding putting huge
pressure on the chain & bb bearings. I brazed the tube,
touched up the paint and viola! No difference in the ride.
Still the worst riding tandem I've every owned. That includes
a Dawes Super Galaxey, Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn Twinn,
2 Huffys, several 20" kids tandems I built, a side by side
tandem, a PPV, 2 quads,... etc.

My latest addition is handle bar streamers and two shimano
front freewheeling cranksets off a couple of 1980s schwinn
calientes. So it now has independent pedaling! Lots of fun.
But of course the coaster brake no longer works. Just
the feeble front rim brake so be careful. No hole in the
frame to add a rear brake either.

I'd guess the date to be mid 1960s on these. I remeber gas
stations used to sell & rent bikes like these.

Have fun with it! It really dosn't have much collector


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia 1 speed tandem posted by Jonathan on 7/11/2001 at 4:58:26 PM
Thanks much for the info. Weight is a whisper over 46 pounds, including the 16 ga. chromed fenders.
The guy on the line must have remembered to weld the keel tube on mine. I can see
some bleed-through at the joint. The welds generally look pretty sloppy, one even has a thin thread of
material that's hanging off one joint. If Columbia was such a venerable
bike manufacturer, how could these things ever get to market and sell? Well, this thing rides OK for experienced
pedelers, but my wife balks at giving it a "go". She went about 10 feet as the "stoker" and bailed.
It's unbelievable that these were appently not field tested.
The bright "day-glo" yellow paint and formidable display of chrome combined with its size makes for a "get outa my way"
spectacle the bike path. I'll look for co-pilots, but right now it's a solo machine. I guess I liked it because it looks so
funky. Thanks again for your input. I'm going to think real hard before sinking any time or $$ into upgrading. A good pic-nic
bike or "nickel-a-ride" machine. LOL

   Why it didn't get welded. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/12/2001 at 9:21:43 AM
I was about to weld this when the lunch whistle blew. I set down my equipment and when I came back I was just getting ready when the supervisor told me I was needed on another project, and to hop to it! I came back to it the next day but it was long gone to paint and assembly and then it was past shipping and handling and on one of the many trucks. Eric, my coworker told me to shut up about it. Everything has been so rush, rush,rush lately and our quality control supervisor has been out sick the last week. Sorry about that, but these things happen all the time.

   RE:Why it didn't get welded. posted by Mike Stone on 7/17/2001 at 8:04:24 AM
Hey, Man, you better tell your friend Eric and your other co-workers at Columbia that they had better pay attention to quality. Sending out junk like that isn't good for the long-term health of the company...

BALLOON:   40's Roadmaster posted by: Ron on 7/9/2001 at 7:02:15 PM
Aloha , Can anyone tell me if the Schwinn Roadmaster ever came with a Springer ? Where can I find some pictures that I can use as a reference for restoration ?

Thanks, Ron

   RE:BALLOON:   40's Roadmaster posted by Cal on 7/10/2001 at 5:42:55 AM
I don't think Schwinn ever made a model called Roadmaster. Roadmaster was a separate manufacturer. Some Roadmasters had springers, some had truss rods.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   40's Roadmaster posted by Schwinnderella on 7/10/2001 at 6:45:41 AM
Clevland Welding made the Roadmaster that most of us are familiar with ,however I have seen bikes that were" Schwinn Built" with a Roadmaster head tag. I assume just one of the hundreds of different tags that were available on "Schwinn Built Bikes"

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   40's Roadmaster posted by JOEL on 7/10/2001 at 6:53:43 AM
There was a Schwinn Roadmaster badge on EBAY a while back. Only one I have seen but it looked like the real thing.

MISC:   Schwinn Rims: S2 S5 S6 S7... posted by: Rick on 7/9/2001 at 1:56:09 PM
Does anyone have a summary of Schwinn rim sizes that includes
the S5, S6, S7, etc, designations?

I have a '64 Traveler 3-speed I'm cleaning up and the rim is labeled
S5 and the tire says "to fit S5 or S6".
From the Sheldon Brown site:
24 x 1 3/8 (S-5) Schwinn Juvenile lightweights
26 x 1 3/8 (S-6) Schwinn "lightweights"
26 x 1 3/4 (S-7) Schwinn cruisers

lists some tire sizes and has photos of cross sections.
But all the cross sections look similar except for dimensions.

I seem to recall my new Varsity in 1974 had S7 rims (27" tires).

The S# doesn't necessarily relate to rim diameter.

So what does the 'S#' stand for? I assume the S is for Schwinn,
but what meaning does the # have for the different rims.

Please email me direct if you have any info about this.


   RE:MISC:   Schwinn Rims: S2 S5 S6 S7... posted by ken on 7/10/2001 at 7:12:26 AM
As usual, Captain Bike has got your back. You'll be reading for years if you haven't checked out all the 'articles by Sheldon Brown and others' on sheldonbrown.com. I don't have the link in front of me but you'll find it. Everything you ever need to know about wheel and tire sizes.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by: Dan on 7/9/2001 at 9:26:50 AM
I have an original 57 Schwinn Corvette that has what I thought was a run of the mill Sturmey Archer 3 Speed. Instead of having the typical 1-2-3 inside the shift indicator it has L-N-H and sure enough after riding it, its only a 2 speed. It says 3 speed on the shifter and appears untampered with. The hub itself is dated 56. Is this common? Or an oddball. Thanks

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by Rick on 7/9/2001 at 2:17:48 PM
If it is a SA hub, and it sounds like it is from your
description then I'm sure it's just a matter of adjusting
the cable to get all 3 speeds working. There is very little that
can go wrong inside the hub to cause this. In 2nd gear, the
end of the smooth part of the indicator rod should line up with
the end of the axle. The indicator rod is what threads into
the hub thru the axle and connectes to the shift cable. You
can see thru the hole in the side of the axle nut to check
the adjustment. I've seen 3 speed Corvettes with the SA
hub so this is pretty likely the case. It's also possible
that the cable is damaged somewhere or isn't seated properly.

I used to have a JC Higgins 3-speed. They made their own
shift lever which was quite unique. The hub shell
had raised ribs but was SA in all other respects.

I have a 40/50's Schwinn Flying Star that has a cable shift
2-speed coaster brake Bendix. It only has 2 lever
positions. And being a coaster brake, it has the brake
arm attached to the left chain stay which has Bendix stamped
on it. I haven't seen many of these hubs so I'd guess
they are pretty rare. The 'automatic' kick back version
was much more popular.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 5:20:47 PM
You have a 3 speed that is out of adjustment somehow. When Schwinn used Sturmey Archer gears they turned the trigger- shifter control thingie down so it didn't stick up like on the British bikes.They wanted to advertise the bicycle and not draw attention to the diffrent gear system they had gone to.
If it has a trigger shifter, it is a 3 speed as the rare 2 speed the (S-2) was a Sturmey Archer kickback and only 5000 were made and most of those went to Scandinavia with few exceptions(I have one) It was meant for the Daws Kingpin take apart folder. A much older Sturmey two speed would never have been put on a Schwinn. No, you have a 3 speed.
The shifter wire contol cannot be kinked up, the indicator chain thing that threads into the hub, the piece that is attached to the rod that aligns up with the end of the axle when the gear selector(trigger) on the handlebar is in 2'nd gear or N (neutral) This indicator chain thing should not be damaged. Put a drop of oil on the trigger mechanism and a teaspoon full in the hub.
Is there a used bookstore in your area? Look in the bicycling section for a bicycle maintence book that will have adjustment instructions diagrams and a useful book for like 5 or 6 dollars.
Check out Sheldon Brown's site at http://www. Sheldonbrown.com old bicycles care and feeding or Raleigh bicycles. Sheldon has a huge web page and there should be adjustment instructions there too. There is a link to another site that has rebuilding instructions. Parts available here at oldroads.com and Harris Cyclery(Sheldon Brown again) E- bay has Sturmey Archer hubs for sale too) good luck!

   RE: manual for hubs posted by Jonathan on 7/10/2001 at 12:26:58 AM
"Glenn's Complete Bicycle Maintenance Manual" is real good for servicing the
Bendix, SA and other internal geared hubs. Mine was found at a local used bookstore, but it
was $16...not $5, but it has been worth every nickel to me.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by Tom Findley on 7/11/2001 at 1:39:45 PM
The other fellows are correct about it needing adjustment. If your hub is a Model AW, consider yourself lucky to have a good design, with parts readily available. If the hub is a Model SW, you are surely out of luck, as this was a flawed design, and there are no parts available.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by Dan on 7/12/2001 at 7:15:54 AM
Thanks for the info everybody, I do have a model AW, which is clearly marked 3-speed on the hub also, but still puzzles me is that darn shifter marked L-N-H The letters are factory stamped and the unit itself looks like every other SA I've ever seen or owned (I have owned several including bendix kickbacks and triggers).

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/12/2001 at 8:59:51 AM
So why are the S.W. hubs on e- bay going for more then the A.W. hubs? Watch these and you'll see.

   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/12/2001 at 9:10:15 AM
You have an older shifter where the company labeled it up that way. It makes it more neat. Neutral (middle gear or 2'nd) makes me think of it not engaging any gear at all and on a bicycle that is very bad. These need to be exactly adjusted because while these are great, reliable hubs, these older models will freewheel around not engaging any gear if it is out of adjustment. You could possibly slip down and hurt yourself on the top bar. This is why many folks reccomend that you NOT get up off the seat and ride the bike . No sprinting, or honking (riding full out) on a older Sturmey- Archer hub. Stay on the seat. Occaisonally these slip and you can hurt yourself. Get into some service/ maintence literature and learn the easy adjustment procedure and enjoy your ride. The newer hubs will go into one gear or the other if it is out of adjustment so this doesn't happen anymore but for most of the hubs we have and discuss here this doesn't apply.

   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   oddball Sturmey Archer Hub posted by Tom Findley on 7/13/2001 at 5:39:27 AM
Since there are no parts from an AW that will fit, people must buy an entire hub for 6 parts, the pesky pawls. Most of the SW hubs were thrown away after being replaced, which makews them hard to find.

I once decided that the "N" on the shifter stood for "Normal".

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   WTB SCHWINN HEAVY DUTI posted by: paul on 7/6/2001 at 8:38:26 PM
Since the other board is down.... Wanted schwinn heavy duti, 60's - 70's in original condition. thanks paul

BALLOON:   schwinn lincoln posted by: jeff j on 7/6/2001 at 8:11:08 PM
does anyone have any information on lincoln schwinn bikes for example years made value production numbers thanks

   RE:BALLOON:   schwinn lincoln posted by MNSmith on 7/7/2001 at 7:04:49 PM
You will have a hard time finding such information. Lincoln is just one of many headbadges that Schwinn used on their bikes. Along with the likes of Admiral, Ace, Cadillac, etc. As an example, a prewar Autocycle could have any of those badges, the model that it would be is an Autocycle. A DX or B107 could also have used any one of those headbadges. Years covered would be prewar to early 50's. Production numbers will be impossible. Value will depend on the model.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   schwinn lincoln posted by jeff on 7/8/2001 at 6:37:03 AM
thanks for the info mn smith i believe the bike is a dx serial number on bottom of crank and has skip tooth chain lincoln badge are these bikes somewhat rare never seen another one?

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   schwinn lincoln posted by MNSmith on 7/8/2001 at 12:21:24 PM
Like most things, the older they are, the rarer they are. It will depend on the age. A DX will have a curving top bar and a lower bar that gently curves just below. Different from a straight bar ( Hornet type ) frame. First year for the DX was 1939, denoted by a straight downtube, the only year for that. The DX's were basically a no frills model, an affordable model. Numbers on the bottom bracket means that your bike falls between 1939 and 1951.

If you would like to see what a 1939 DX looks like, visit my web page. http://www.concentric.net/%7Errrrguy/bike.html I also have a few other DX frames there too from the early 50's. Mostly custom jobs.

As far as rarety, I don't think they were too rare. The DX frame was only made from 1939 to the early 50's. If you watch Ebay enough, they do pop up quite a bit although not a daily occurrence.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   schwinn lincoln posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 5:28:38 PM
The books on Schwinn don't delve into the diffrent names used on the old balloon tire bikes do they? Not too throughly, I mean.
The production number information was most likely lost in a terrible fire they suffered. There was a fire, and it is said that info was lost. Or it was heaved out into the trash or in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they have. Hopefully it survived and somebody will put it on the web but don't hold your breath. All the hiding treasures are being sought after and e- bay is showing us a wide variety of goods scattered all over the planet.

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn breeze age posted by: jim on 7/6/2001 at 4:32:23 PM
I was wondering, if anyone could date this breeze? not really worried about the value, It is a real looker and coming to life again, just fun to tweak. the ser# on rear fork is


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn breeze age posted by goob on 7/6/2001 at 7:15:01 PM
According to my list it would be a Jan 1966 model.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn breeze age posted by jim on 7/6/2001 at 7:53:04 PM
many thanks!

AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify posted by: Jim on 7/5/2001 at 9:50:32 PM
Searching for info/date/value of ladies bike, blue with white pinstripping original paint with some surface rust, "Firestone Pilot" on chain guard. There is a plate on the rear of the seat "Mesinger".Can anyone help me identify this bike or point me in the direction to find more info? I am also looking for someone that can do a decent job of restoring at a reasonable rate. I would prefer a restorer in the Midwest, since I live in the St.Louis area. Any help is appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify posted by Doug on 7/7/2001 at 7:35:15 AM
Hi Jim youve got quite a dilema to restore at a reasonable rate is tough to do I do a few a year for myself and usually have to use aftermarket parts origionals are hard to find and usually big bucks Im not saying it cant be done but very tough If I charged myself for the labor all of my bikes would be far too expensive to sell for a profit so I just do it for fun, If you are fairly good with your hands you can do a lot yourself by reading books about autobody painting and painting techniques,restoration books and forums like this one also practice makes better every bike I do the following one gets better always learning a new trick good luck with your project feel free to ask any questions anytime.I have 26 yrs experience and still dont feel like a pro at this Im a master plumber by trade and certified welder so that helps a lot.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify posted by Doug on 7/7/2001 at 5:26:40 PM
Sorry I forgot to put the message in proper gramatical form and is difficult to read, I will try to do better next time.

FOR SALE:   schwinn shop old parts 4 sale posted by: todjob on 7/5/2001 at 8:43:56 PM
see my posting in general for sale wanted

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Joel on 7/5/2001 at 2:38:53 PM
Why did this bike sell for $250+ ? Ebay # 1159905796 70s Schwinn Hollywood. Nice bike but why the interest?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/5/2001 at 2:49:26 PM
My guess is that somebody wanted it because they miss theirs and they had the coin and they didn't mind spending $250.00 on a Hollywood.
Perhaps it will be a gift or perhaps it is replacing one that was stolen or damaged. These usually do not go this high, do they? Not this model but every now and then something will get more than you thought it would.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by MNSmith on 7/5/2001 at 6:57:25 PM
Seems lately that girl bike values have been slowly climbing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by todjob on 7/5/2001 at 8:41:58 PM
schwinn hollywoods are a sought after bike nevermind the fact that ive sold 2 of them to people in hollywood area the bike is a pop art cult peice,i wish schwinn made a boys hollywood i'd be converting them all (that would apply) to hollywoods,the names the game on this bike,it's about the only girls bike thats a plainjaner thats bringin the bucks
my advise is to get those girls frames and make hollywoods the decals are not too hard to find.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Gary M on 7/6/2001 at 7:08:56 AM
Sheesh!! thats huge. I have a near mint 65 Hollywood, with front rack, and a 2 speed kickback. I bet if i put it on Ebay it would bring only $30-40. would be nice to ring up a sale like that. my 48 Schwinn Majestic ladies bike only brought $50, rideable, with a perfect feather chaingaurd.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Joel on 7/6/2001 at 11:38:21 AM
There are several other Hollywoods on ebay that are sleepers. I guess good photos help.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Doug on 7/7/2001 at 7:41:39 AM
I saw a 20 inch slick tire sell for over $250.00 last week on e bay as P T Barnum once said ya da ya da.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Need info posted by: Calvin on 7/4/2001 at 7:20:27 PM
I need info on two bikes.
One. This bike is an 'Imperial' bike manufactured by 'Ames and Frost' of Chicago.
Who and what is this company and how old is this bike.
It has a rear fender 'flip-down' kichstand and fenders.
Two. Has anyone heard of a chrome bike from CCM?
No badge but it has the real old CCM cranks and rod support for the head tube.
The coaster hub is a Hercules.

AGE / VALUE:   Looking for information posted by: Chris on 7/3/2001 at 2:42:06 PM
I am looking for information on a frame that I purchased from the original owner.
I appears to be a Schwinn built in the early forties. The serial # is G25053 and is on the bottom of the bottom bracket shell. It has no badge, but has the original paint
This is a black bike with white pinstripes and white rams head. The coaster brake is a morrow and the rear shell is from elmira, NY.
Thank you

AGE / VALUE:   Original Standard posted by: Neil Hever on 7/3/2001 at 11:09:00 AM
I just recently purchased a 28 inch Original Standard bicycle. It is black with white v-shaped paint accents and pin striping. The front hub is marked WECO, the rear hub is marked F&S and KOMET SUPER and the tires are Veith. It has a single speed foot brake, large caliper front hand brake (through fender), tubular rack and provision for hand pump. Obviously it is German but any idea on year of production? I can't find any resources on it at all. I can jpeg some photos if you email me. Thanks, Neil Hever

AGE / VALUE:   Firestone 500 ? posted by: Sammi Beal on 7/3/2001 at 12:05:00 AM
Searching for info/date/value of ladies bike, red & white original paint with some surface rust, Firestone 500 on chain guard. Tank has small switch on underside to operate headlight? Headlight is missing cover. The main (peddle) chain gear has various sizes of cut out stars. There is a plate on the rear of the seat "Schwinn Approved Comfort Form". There is a label on the post under the seat with "Model # 398-3-9A112" I believe this is the number although careful cleaning may reveal otherwise. The rear tire lettering is "Sears Allstate Premium Nylon 26 X 1.75" and the front tire "HWA FONG Nylon 47-559 26 X 1.75" with the letters HFR in a small frame. Can anyone help me identify this bike or provide any leads? I have discovered that Shelby marketed bikes under the firestone label but nothing else so far. I should have pictures soon if anyone is interesed. Thanks in advance! Sammi

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone 500 ? posted by Doug on 7/4/2001 at 7:37:04 AM
Sounds like a firestone bike with a few aftermarket parts good luck with that.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone 500 ? posted by Sammi on 7/6/2001 at 8:33:28 AM
Which parts are you refering to as aftermarket other than possibly the tires and seat?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone 500 ? posted by Don on 7/6/2001 at 2:05:02 PM
Firestone tire company would contract bike makers to manufacture bikes for their showroom. Similar to B.F. Goodrich who contracted Schwinn. Firestone is a mistery? It seems several bike makers made for Firestone. I possess a "Firestone Deluxe Warrior" 26 inch boys bike. Lite on front fender, rear rack, black rims with white pinstripe. A "Renak/Swift" rear coaster hub. I too am trying to find out more about this gem. In fact, it is posted here in the picture database, before I cleaned it up. Sorry I don't know more, if you do find the answers, contact me.
Thanks, Don.
The Firestone that I posted is actually from 40s - 50s, not the 60s as oldroads changed it.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firestone 500 ? posted by Doug on 7/7/2001 at 7:45:34 AM
Thats the ones I meant sorry cant be of more help.

AGE / VALUE:   bicycle pamplets? posted by: sam on 7/2/2001 at 7:24:54 PM
Do any of you have bicycle pamplets or literature showing Murry-rollfast or Dayton-huffnam models from around 1940 tru 1942.If so please let me know if it shows the light weight models sold too.I've been searching for info on a L/W from this era and the only photos are from schwinn and columbia(which my bike is not)any help would be appreciated.---sam