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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN PANTHER posted by: Wilma on 8/16/2001 at 2:17:04 PM
My husband still has the Schwinn Panther that he got for Christmas in either 1950 or 1951. The serial number on it is 6396551 - can anyone tell me its exact age from that?
We're going to be moving in October so are getting rid of things before the move. His Panther is all original, color is maroon/red. The only damage to it is a bent saddle bag piece, its tires are flat & the chrome has some rust.

I'd appreciate any help on the best way to sell the bike (we're in northern New Jersey) and any ideas on how much it's worth.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN PANTHER posted by goob on 8/20/2001 at 8:55:25 AM
Your serial number should have a letter in front of it and 5 numbers. are u sure the 6 is not a G. Were is the number located?

AGE / VALUE:   robin hood 3 speed posted by: tiffini on 8/16/2001 at 12:41:55 PM
i was wondering if anyone could help me determind a year for the robin hood 3 speed i have. i also haven't been able to find any serial numbers, where would they be? it's a ladies bike, shiny blue green with same color fenders. nice crome detials around the fenders. white accents (handlebar covers,seat,brake lines,two toned back fin) it has sturmey archer gears.

this bike has the same body:

thanks for your help! tiffini

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   robin hood 3 speed posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 8/17/2001 at 6:36:29 AM
Look for a 2-digit date code on the rear hub (assuming the rear hub is original to the bike)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   robin hood 3 speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/22/2001 at 12:32:41 PM
This is a city bike made by Raleigh. Yours sounds like a nice color. Enjoy it,these are nice
I had bought one that was never ridden, it was found behind a stairwell in an old bicycle shop. I unwisely sold it because it was a ladies frame and I intended it to stay with a daughter of a bike collector friend in Pa. To my horror he had sold it and when I asked her she said she really didn't ride all that much. I have not seen a early one in that shade since. Yours sounds close.
Mine was lovely shade of Robin's egg blue, the early ones had wonderful colors.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Savoy Made in Japan posted by: Ellen on 8/16/2001 at 9:12:02 AM
I just found on the street an abandoned Savoy bicycle, 3 speed hub (but cable and shifter gone), really nice chain guard, decal says that it is made in Japan, S7 1 453 is the serial number etched on the frame. Small mens model, gold with red white and blue detailing and decals. The wheels are ruined, with many broken spokes, tires deteriorated petal shaft is bent. But of course I couldnt leave it out there, it has great potential. I think it is too much for me to fix it (especially the wheels), plus there are already 3 vintage bikes in our apartment. Can anyone tell me about this bike. Anyone in NYC interested in having it, or helping me fix it, or telling me somewhere I could go to get it fixed cheap?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Savoy Made in Japan posted by JimW. on 8/22/2001 at 9:06:37 AM
It's not much of a collectible, and it sounds like a lot of
work to get it up to functioning. But, if you like the bike,
why not go for it? Emey, at Emey's Bike Shop on 17th near Union
Square can give you good advice on what would be needed to fix
it up. He has used bike parts, also.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Savoy Made in Japan posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/22/2001 at 12:34:24 PM
This is a good, well known shop, you are in good hands.

AGE / VALUE:   1962 Schwinn CO-ED ladies bike posted by: Gary M on 8/15/2001 at 1:55:39 PM
just got in a pretty decent 62 CO-ED ladies model, its white with light blue stripes. never seen this model before.

BALLOON:   Insurance claims ? posted by: Jim Grippin on 8/15/2001 at 7:07:05 AM
Yesterday I got hit by a car while riding my Spaceliner.
The headlight assembly got destroyed in the impact. The
rest of the bike is OK. I think it's made of thicker steel
than the car was.
So how do I place a monetary value on something like this
that would satisfy the insurance company ?

And here's a REAL stupid question. Does anybody have replacement
headlight lens and plastic bezels ? hah hah yah I know.

   RE:BALLOON:   Insurance claims ? posted by Tom Findley on 8/15/2001 at 8:59:19 AM
This sounds like a nightmare. I am very sorry to hear about more parts destroyed.

Bikes without lenses sell on ebay for about $50 less than bikes with lenses.

The plastic housing is worth less than the lens.
You will probably have to buy an entire bike for the light parts.

Encourage Murray and Sears to remake the Spaceliner.

   RE:BALLOON:   Insurance claims ? posted by Tom Findley on 8/15/2001 at 9:07:32 AM
I hope the wreck doesn't scare you away from bikes. Is there anything you could have done to prevent it?

When riding, I always assume that cars will go where they shouldn't.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Insurance claims ? posted by Jim Grippin on 8/15/2001 at 10:04:03 AM
Oh no it won't scare me away. And there's always things I
COULD have done to prevent the accident. ( Make sure I got
eye contact etc.) But oh well.
Standing there looking at my priceless/rare/cherished little
plastic bits lying shattered on the road was a lesson in

Would an insurance company consider the bike to be "totaled"
since the only way to replace the damaged parts is to buy
another bike ? Assuming one comes up for sale in the near
future of course.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Insurance claims ? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/16/2001 at 11:08:40 AM
Go to a swap meet anfd look for another bike that has this part and do a swap.You were lucky you weren't hurt or killed. I saw an accident once from 300 feet away. The guy flew straight up into the air 30 feet and came down and didn't move. The young lady blew the light and came up running and screaming. A lot of closed head injuries happen this way. If a broken Bezel on your bike is all you suffered, you should thank your stars.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by: Tim on 8/14/2001 at 5:04:16 AM
I've recently purchased a Schwinn Spitfire and am trying to determine its age. The frame has two adjusting screws by the back tire that I'm told are used to adjust the chain. I'm also told that this feature was only used before WWII. Can anyone verify or deny this? The tires are 26 X 2.125 and say "Schwinn Typhoon Cord" on them. The front hub has "New Departure WL" stamped on it and the rear hub has "Eclipse Machine Division, Made in Elmira New York, USA, 02 36 13" stamped on it. The serial number is H222168.
Any info would be greatly appreciated,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by Gary M on 8/14/2001 at 7:46:55 AM
rear facing dropouts made it well into the late 40s, my 48 had them. the welded on standard kickstand came about in 46. if it has a drop stand its before 46. all records before 48 are lost.

AGE / VALUE:   Roadside Cruiser posted by: Mike G on 8/13/2001 at 11:52:19 PM
I need help determining if I have something of value or should have sold it last week at the yard sale. It looks old, has white sidewall balloon tires (maybe original and still rideable)--a front rack and headlight (attached to frame)--It says "Roadside Cruiser" on the chain guard, and has a sticker on the front tube that says "Open Road" and under that "Montgomery Ward" - Serial # HC0787008 (on frame) - It is tan with brown pin stripe --dark tanish/brown seat with 2 large springs - most of paint and chrome in good shape--rides like a big tank. Thanks for good or bad news.

AGE / VALUE:   1963 SEARS SPACELINER LIGHT/TANK posted by: DOUG on 8/13/2001 at 6:39:14 PM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1963 SEARS SPACELINER LIGHT/TANK posted by tom wills on 8/14/2001 at 5:58:33 PM
hey doug,if u find two,let me know ,cause i have sixty three space liner that i need the tank,and fenders and rack for...good luck!

AGE / VALUE:   1949 Schwinn Fiesta posted by: Dick on 8/13/2001 at 6:13:20 PM
Just got hold of a 1949 Schwinn Fiesta, can anyone give me a quick/brief overall history on this bike.

AGE / VALUE:   red cutlass heavy weight posted by: tom wills on 8/13/2001 at 4:29:48 PM
hi!great forum!does anyone have any idea on who made the cutlass bike?i found one at the flea market.it appears to be a late 40s bikeor maybe early fifties,original paint ,faded,red,all there,but unfortunately,bad rims,.evidently,its been sitting in a barn somewhere,and the back rim completely rusted out where it was on the ground.it has a near perfect seat,handle bars,forks and frame all in great shape,but the only name i could find on it was cutlass and that was on the chain guard.i would greatly appreciate any info that u all can give .as the owner is holding it for me till next weekend,he wants fifteen dollars 4 it....thanks....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   red cutlass heavy weight posted by Gary M on 8/14/2001 at 1:11:25 AM
I have a mid 50s Ladies Cutlass its an Evans made in Plymouth Michigan. mine is excellent condition,waiting for a male frame to put it all on

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   red cutlass heavy weight posted by tom wills on 8/14/2001 at 6:02:26 PM
thanks for the reply.any idea where i might can find replacement wheels?

AGE / VALUE:   Princeton posted by: Jeff on 8/13/2001 at 3:50:55 PM
Any info on a Princeton bicycle. I found one at a neighbor's house that had a sign in front "free bike parts" I found only the frame and fork. It was painted over, but has the original copper headbadge.

AGE / VALUE:   old schwinn girl's bike posted by: jerry on 8/13/2001 at 11:18:06 AM
I have a very old schwinn girls bike in my basement. The serial number appears to be F34019. It's obviously been painted over. The tires are dry rotten, but other than that, appears to be fine. It has only coaster brakes. The handlebars, which are somewhat pitted, have the schwinn grips. It has a very unusual rear rack, obviously not original to the bike, made of pressed chrome plated steel and decorated with small reflectors set in steel bezels, like jewels and attached with wingnuts. Pretty fancy. It's in good shape except for some pitting. I'm just throwing this in here in the hopes that someone will be able to tell me something. Thanks

AGE / VALUE:   On the Other Hand.... posted by: Gary M on 8/13/2001 at 8:34:08 AM
the nicest Schwinn i have, an Excellent condition, all original 1965 Schwinn Hollywood. Complete, from the front rack to the 2speed kickback. I got it at a local Flea Market for $20. Most of the vendors there laughed at my paying anything for it, and it was the running joke of the day throughout the whole market. funny how people think about these old things. Wonder who is right???

AGE / VALUE:   25.00 dollar Schwinn posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/12/2001 at 11:14:57 AM
I love the feel of old style, thick, Schwinn- script grips on the 1950's Schwinns! These are green and on the ladies frame bike. No chainguard and so I don't know the model and it has a Sturmey Archer 3 speed in the middleweight rims. I wish it had the 26 X 2.125 wheels! This is the second middleweight in 3 weeks and it is the last middleweight to seduce me unless the next one is really, really lovely and priced right. The fork is bent back, somebody crashed it. I'll be having to swap parts and add a springer fork. Still I tooled around the lot looking for other goodies and it rode nicely. All this rust will have to be cleaned. It is a winter project anyway. The other dealers were telling her that "The price was too low and "That is a Schwinn , it's old and those are "valuable antiques"
What is a scratched, dented, rusty, bent fork, middleweight, missing chainguard with mismatched tires worth anyway? She removed the alloy licence plate before I took it. That's fine with me, these never seem to sell anyways. I really have to work on playing it cool, acting more aloof and indifferent and being too eager and easy is not good. I said "yes" before noticing the bent fork! Shame on me, I know better. Next time I fall in love I have to remember to look inside the horse's mouth.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: check these out! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/12/2001 at 11:55:52 AM
E-bay item # 1177549371 Schwinn Panther and item# 1177353468 . These two are really, really nice. A whole diffrent breed of old Schwinn's. I have yet to find these at a yard sale!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: check these out! posted by Doug on 8/13/2001 at 5:18:56 AM
Very nice thanks for the tip; super bikes!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   25.00 dollar Schwinn posted by Doug on 8/13/2001 at 5:24:56 AM
sounds like about the right price since the fork was bent and the bike is rusty,I know of a dealer here in town with a bunch of girls middleweights in good condition he gets about a hundred for them.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   25.00 dollar Schwinn posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/13/2001 at 11:15:04 AM
The new spring fork I have doesn't go with any of the stems that came with the bike. So much for old and new parts being compatible every time. They're gonna love seeing me drag this into the shop.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   25.00 dollar Schwinn posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/13/2001 at 11:17:44 AM
The last owner really must have smashed into something pretty forcefully. I got the fork out of it and the steer tube is history.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   25.00 dollar Schwinn posted by Doug on 8/13/2001 at 6:16:28 PM
Sounds like you may have to part it out or find another frame, bummer!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   25.00 dollar Schwinn posted by Tom Findley on 8/14/2001 at 7:01:19 AM
A sprung fork may not fit. I think that forks and stem tubes are different on girl's and boy's bikes.

   Why put .02 into a ladies bike? posted by Gary M on 8/14/2001 at 7:56:01 AM
none of them are worth 15% of a male model. I say strip it and curb the frame.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Diana on 8/12/2001 at 10:51:00 AM
What company made the bicycle, "Hiawatha"?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Gordon on 8/12/2001 at 12:34:13 PM
It depends on the year. Older ones were built by Shelby. Later ones by Cleveland Welding, and newer ones by Huffy or Murry. Hiawatha was the brand sold by the Gambles Hardware Store.