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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   1960's Sears/Huffy Mainliner tank posted by: Bob on 3/25/2002 at 6:27:44 PM
I am just completing the restoration of my childhood bike, it is a Sears Mainliner, and I need the tank/light assembly. It had a chrome plastic bezel, dual headlights, and the switch was on the bottom. The bike is a 26" middleweight. (I took the tank off and threw it away when all my friends got stingrays...arrrggg!!)
Thanks in advance, and thanks to anybody I have already emailed with this request. If you would like to see photo's of the bike in 1966, and before and after pics of it now...please email me.
Thanks again

AGE / VALUE:   C w's serial numbers posted by: Dan on 3/25/2002 at 3:31:08 PM
I have a couple of bikes I picked up together (M/W) which are stamped Cw with the serial no.s on the B.B. shell only their missing the headbadge's so I don't know for sure what they are, they were wearing Western Auto tires. Does Cleveland Welding have a serial number age chart for the frames they built, if these are Western Flyer bikes where might I find out about their serial no./ date's. Here's one serial no. ...( A84581 54 Cw )... any guesses?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   C w's serial numbers posted by Dan on 3/27/2002 at 2:51:24 PM

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Were to find? posted by: Elizabeth Weber on 3/25/2002 at 2:53:40 AM
Were on a swhinn do i find the serial numbers?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Were to find? posted by jason on 3/26/2002 at 2:53:12 AM
On pre-70s it will be on the rear fish hook. On post 70s it will be on the neck. And on a real phantom it will be on the crank housing.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Were to find? posted by Elizabeth on 3/28/2002 at 12:42:34 AM
When you say on the neck, do you mean the goose-neck:were the handlebars attach? or were the name plate is?
Like to be clear as were to look.

MISC:   MY NEW WEBSITE posted by: JIMMY on 3/25/2002 at 2:33:32 AM


WANTED:   roadmaster posted by: jerry on 3/24/2002 at 1:30:32 PM
I have a roadmaster whizzer that has a rear buckboard. It has a reflector in the rear of the buckboard but doesn't look right. Can someone tell me where to find the correct one.

AGE / VALUE:   collegiate posted by: Jerry Mahoney on 3/24/2002 at 1:24:28 PM
I just picked up this girls collegiate bike. Can someone tell me what i have . also age and value. It has 3 bars that go down from fork. Also has rear stand. Thanks Jerry

AGE / VALUE:   Help Wanted posted by: Elizabeth Weber on 3/24/2002 at 12:14:32 AM
I have a pair of bikes I would like help in identifing, please go to the link below and see if you can help.
I would like to restore them as best as I can, but I am having problems finding out what they are.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help Wanted posted by sam on 3/24/2002 at 4:01:08 AM
The top one is an A.M.F. sky rider the bottom is a girls Murray.Both are middleweight bikes from the 60s(or later)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help Wanted posted by Elizabeth on 3/25/2002 at 2:24:08 AM
Does the fact help that they both have "messenger" seats?
and the boys bike has "Evans" handle-bar covers?

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Corvette posted by: Freddie on 3/23/2002 at 11:48:56 PM
Greetings. I have run into a problem. A few weeks ago I bought a nice corvette in decent condition. Some minor rust but the decals readable.serial #R44043. I Take this to be 1955. The hangers for the shift cable were still on the bike but sombody had replaced the rims with S7 rims and coster brakes.I purchased a sturmey archer 3 speed hub complete with cable and shifter. The man I got it from said it was from a 1953 schwinn.On the hub under the name are the numbers 52 and 12. It has the proper large size sturmey shifter that I need but when I went to lace it to my S2 rims I found the number 40 on the outside of the hub. It has 40 holes!!!I have never ran into a 40 spoke rim. Is it schwinn?Where can I get the proper rim? Can anybody tell me the proper way to cal. how long to order spokes if I use a diffrent rim or hub. I have a sturmey hub 3 speed from a schwinn breeze with 36 holes but it is a slighty diffrent dia. What can I do Any suggestions ? Please help and thank you all. Freddie

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Corvette posted by sam on 3/24/2002 at 4:07:31 AM
Freddie,the proper rims for a Corvette are the S-7s that came with the bike.All Corvettes were middle weight bikes.The 40 hole hub is for an English bike not an american one.Corvettes did come with a sturmey Archer 3speed hub but a hub with 36 holes.

   More trouble with ebay posted by Tom Findley on 3/25/2002 at 1:34:29 PM
Over the past 2 years I have bought 4 hubs on ebay from the 50's. 3 of them had 40 holes, 1 had 36. It looks like people saved the SA hub when throwing the rest of the bike away. The sellers did not know to list the number of holes, and I did not know to ask. So I have a 100 year supply of internal parts.

If the seller doesn't list the number of holes, assume the hub won't fit your hub.

   RE:More trouble with ebay posted by ebay on 3/25/2002 at 8:19:56 PM
From now on I will ask befor bidding.I have had good luck on ebay so I will learn from this. I can still use the shifter so I still did ok.

FOR SALE:   Huffy 3 , TIMBERLINE bicycle posted by: Jimmy on 3/23/2002 at 8:37:01 PM
Hello, I have for sale a Huffy 3, TIMBERLINE bicycle, I am unsure of year, but the serial number starts with OK.It is copper in color with orange stripes on the fenders and frame. There is no rust that i can see, and the paint has a few little chips on frame. The chrome is a little dull, but very light dusting of rust, would come off with some wool.Brakes work great, like new tires, and the rims arent missing any spokes.This bike is all original,including the copper colored saddle seat.I dont believe this bike has ever been tooken apart, and original owner sure took great care of it.The welds are still very tight and sturdy.No cuts in the brake lines, and the grips are excellent.the fenders are in fairly good condition, looks as if someone poped a willy on it and scraped the paint off the bottom edge of rear fender.Braces are sturdy. Stickers are in good condition, some tears. The headbadge is in amazing condition, Looks just like a new headbadge,no paint missing frome it, no scratches, all the paint is there.chainguard is in very good condition, TIMBERLINE sticker still in place.Under the saddle still has black paint, no scratches.All in All I would give this bike a 9.5 on a scale from 1-10.I can get pictures if wanted.I would like roughly 100.00 but I could go lower.thanks,bye

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 4:44:50 PM
Efforts to clarify the later years of Schwinn's bikes like the 1980's stuff is underway. There was a call here recently for bikes to photograph for a book.
Unfortunitly, My find is earlier. It's being put back as I found it.

AGE / VALUE:   "Sprint" deariler(Early Huret Alvit) Metal Jockey Wheels!, OOH, OOH posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 3:29:02 PM
Dismayed and crabby that he's piled 200 (yes, two hundred) more junk bikes in my way!! I have hired a truck to move it out! I grabed a old Schwinn bike and looked for the Alvit rear derailer. I have Alvits up the wazoo, so it was gonna get put back! But Wait!, This bike shouted at me! "I have metal jockey wheels, you have to take me home!" I said "Well, you do, look at that!"
I love anything with metal jockey wheels!! it's how I got started in derailers, interest branching out, and yes, plain greed!
I striped the bike of the shifter and derailer. But I went back and yes, I have the whole bloody beast with me now.
Now it gets strange, at least to me. The Alvit derailer has a decal that says "Sprint" The peek at the Berto book was interesting. This model name or badge engineering term is not mentioned at all, not in the Huret or the Schwinn section. The Dancing Chain is an awesome book, a newer version with improvements is in the works I hear. Huret Alvits are shown and mentioned/ discussed, just no mention of "Sprint." I found that interesting, not even a Rebour drawing with Sprint sticker in gold and black line.

The Schwinn Collegiate is not mentioned. Not in the Berto book. The Schwinn Corvette (first, early model) has the top tube leaver shown in the book for the 5 speed rear derailer. Only the Corvette is a middleweight with the 26 X 1 3/4 tires. The Corvette is pictured and mentioned in the Berto book.
Now on the opposite page in Dancing Chain, the first Schwinn Varsity( awesome, collectible piece!) is shown and the first Varsity is a eight speed isn't it?

So, Im stuck in between these two bikes. Between the first Varsity and the Corvette. I have a lower model black Collegiate with a Canti frame. The Corvette bicycle frame!

Now what I have, is a derailer block in the Schwinn 26 X 1 3/8 rim/ tire size. Or perhaps these rims are 26 X 1 1/4 but they have the knurling and these rims basically are the Schwinn copy of the Raleigh pattern rim or Westrick as Raleigh/S.A. called them. I'll have to look again!
Did these rims ever go on a black, early Collegiate?
These are the wheels for the Schwinn World traveler!!! What I have is Traveler, 26 narrow rims. Only with a derailer block 5 speed, instead of a Sturmey-Archer 3 speed hub. I have Schwinn Traveler's in many guises. (One with a 1954 alloy hub) and never have I seen this type rim with a early French Huret derailer in it.
The shift leaver is Huret, say's "Made in France" on it.
BUT, it is in a clamp on holder that is heavy, and chromed well and it has the Schwinn influence on it. Schwinn leaned on and influenced the Huret stuff that was intended for and used on, Schwinn's bikes!

It was so that the bike didn't scream out "I have French Huret parts on me!"
Schwinn was trying to gradually slide into people the acceptance of foreign made componet parts. Example being, the Schwinn face on the Sturmey-Archer 3 speed trigger shifter. Also, On the handlebars, they turned down the 3 speed trigger too so that it didn't proudly stick up, like on the British competition. Like on the Raleigh's, Rudges, Hercules, Robin Hood 3 speeds that all used the same Sturmey-Archer 3 speed hub like the Schwinn Traveler!

Now something else, I loved to see this!!! Yes!, Yes! The rear derailer with the huge, black metal jockey wheels has a "thing"( sorry I don't know exact term for this part, but I'm getting there) mounted OVER the adaptor claw! You have the leaver type 5 speed Huret shifter on the top bar of the bike and it runs back along the cantileavered frame to this do- hickey part that is over tha adaptor claw and then the cable arrangement is the same as on any Alvit. It goes thru this one stop guide and then the bare cable is attached with a nut and bolt fastener which fixes it so when you pull the shifter it operated the derailer.
No brazing piece on the frame! No frame mounted guide like the one on a rear droupout chain stay! No! It's ingeneously mounted over the adaptor Claw!!

"I can fit this derailer set up to another bike!!" I thought.

No! No! It has to stay as I found it!! The whole thing is strange because the "Schwinn Collegiate" is a ten speed model frame with 27 inch wheels isn't it?
Along the Vartisty, and Continental?
Those are there in this stash too. I ran my hands over the sharp, black, deformed gumwall tires on a root beer brown Continental. Those cheap alloy quick release hubs on the Continental turn nicely. Still, I left it there! Weird, ozone- influenced gumwall tire oddity!

This bike I have is a cantileavered 26 something? inch wheel and not a ten speed.

And with 8/10ths of the early Corvette drivetrain? The first Schwinn Corvette had a manuel lever type front derailer, this black Collegiate does not. Still, it would not, if it is a striped down model. And that is, what the Collegiate is to the Corvette.

The early Schwinn Corvette was changed BACK TO a coaster brake hub! Some people call it the first mountain bike as Dancing Chain says.
The Alloy Schwinn engraved (Weinmann?) brake levers with the grey cxable brake housing almost got left at the shop with the whole bike until I rescued the whole thing. Black' white vinal seat with the Schwinn "S" on it.
Keith Kingbay was a wonderful, wonderful man! He was the father of the Varsity! He would know all about this interesting transition time of Schwinn history! Only he would say something like(maybe)
Yes, so what? Who the heck are you anyways? I have a video tape on Bicycles, (the history of it all) and Keith is shown walking past a fence that guarded the rubble of the brownfield site that used to be Schwinn's Chicago factory.
He is saying "I could just cry, what we had here was the best bicycle factory in the world" Keith is walking past the fence in the video.
They show Raleigh's number one factory and they show Ed Schwinn at his desk with hanging Phantoms in back and Ed tells us a snipped of Ignatz's life and that Ignatz worked for Adler Corporation. Then we see the Aisian factories and white jumpsuit wearing workers doing morning exercises.
Read all the books you can lay hands on, visit all the old shops you can, ask quesations, have fun with this. Just whatever you do, Just don't pile 200 junk 10 speeds in front of that shelf unit I want to pick through looking for $600.00 Ideale French leather seats!
It was cold down in this basement surrounded by 600 bikes!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Sprint derailer   posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 6:11:09 PM
When I think of derailers labeled up "Sprint" I think of the 1970's stuff. Not equiped with the old style 3 position adjusters and metal jockey wheels!
This bike was no Typhoon either, I know that has a canti frame too.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Sprint derailer   posted by Maurice on 3/23/2002 at 6:42:17 PM
I have a '67 Super Sport that has a Sprint rear derailleur as you describe - but it doesn't "hang" on the dropout it it is attached directly onto the frame with a bolt screwed into the forged dropout/frame -

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Sprint derailer   posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/24/2002 at 5:31:28 PM
I'm down deep in the basement intertwined in these bikes trying to reach a hanging wheel and he shuts off the light on me and barks like a dog and he's saying "He's gonna get you! Chris" Very funny.
If he never turned the light back on I would be trapped there forever. It was a fun day! He did, or I wouldn't be writing this.
6 Huret Alvits and a N.O.S. Shimano Lark Derailer! A brushed aluminum or painted Schwinn 515 derailer (new) But I had to look through all these milk crates filled with garbage derailer's. You know something? It kinda blows my mind when I pull out a Simplex 543 derailer out of a batch of broken , greasy total modern junk derailers. I finally got a look at the man who owned this shop once upon a time. I hear stories, good and surprisingly bad about him. Still, I love the fact that he left so many old parts there! I'm holding this book and I exclaim "Well look at that , there he is!"

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Sprint derailer   posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/27/2002 at 8:15:43 PM
Seeing Svelto derailers with these exact same metal jockey wheels on e- bay and the darned things go over 100.00 when I have this stuff is awesome!
The crazy hobby obsession that I can cash in wonderful.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Columbia Thunderbolt emblems posted by: Doug Day on 3/22/2002 at 3:29:10 PM
I have what appears to be a 63 Columbia Thunderbolt. I purchased the bike as a frame in primer and a box of parts about 15yrs ago. The frame has been professionally painted a bright red but I have no idea where to find the decals to complete the project. Any suggestions? THANKS

AGE / VALUE:   Year,s posted by: Tim on 3/22/2002 at 2:15:47 AM
I just picked up a psir of old schwinn`s,ser#F98019(boy`s)G01963(girls) the guy said the 40`s any way of pinning down an exact year? Also they don`t have names on the chainguards.Was there only 1 model?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Year,s posted by Joel on 3/22/2002 at 3:33:31 PM
If the serial #'s are on the rear dropout, the bikes are (F9 = 6/1959, Go= 7/1960) There's a serial # list on this site.
There are quite a few Schwinn models. Need more info.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Year,s posted by Tim on 3/23/2002 at 4:10:32 AM
Ser# numbers aren`ton the dropout there on the crank housing so they should be pre48

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Year,s posted by goob on 3/24/2002 at 12:50:53 AM
i think all numbers prior to Sept 1948 were letter and five digit. They did some 5 digit again when they went to the drop out.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Tourist, lug frame posted by: Brian on 3/21/2002 at 5:45:43 PM
Also have an old Schwinn World Tourist single speed lugged frame bike. The ser.# on left drop out is 122582. Any idea of the year and value? Bike is in x-lnt shape and is stock

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Tourist, lug frame posted by: Brian on 3/21/2002 at 5:45:43 PM
Also have an old Schwinn World Tourist single speed lugged frame bike. The ser.# on left drop out is 122582. Any idea of the year and value? Bike is in x-lnt shape and is stock