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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   AMF Roadmaster Jet Pilot... posted by: Mitch on 7/31/2002 at 2:14:35 AM
Today at work I saw a really old Roadmaster Jetpilot in pretty nice condition in the old lady's garage, I made her a cheap offer, which she promptly accepted, have I made a haul, or is this thing nothing much. It has a tank, headlights, generator, fenders, racks front and back, and the entire thing is in really nice condition. I took it all apart this evening and am giving it a good going over, the lights work, I'm not sure about the generator. The generator and headlight systems are Concorde. There are just a few chips and scratches, but this thing was stored properly for I don't know how long, the tires are not dry rotted at all, it looks pretty sharp. I haven't found any serial numbers, does anybody know where they might be? Before I took the thing apart, I rode it a bit. It feels like no other bike I've ever rode. Does anybody have any info on this bike? It is a Roadmaster, but it's old, so give it a chance!Thank you!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AMF Roadmaster Jet Pilot... posted by Mitch on 7/31/2002 at 2:33:44 AM
Oh yeah, the seat is really cool, it's red with chrome trimmings, and it's also in fair condition, just a few slight cracks and creases.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AMF Roadmaster Jet Pilot... posted by sam on 7/31/2002 at 11:45:49 PM
If you got it cheep,you did good.If it's a balloon tire(26"x2&1/4")then you did real good.The Middle/weight bikes with the 26"x1&3/4" tires are the stepchild of collectors but prices are climing for them.And since your's is in original condition with tires and all I'd say you were very lucky today!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   AMF Roadmaster Jet Pilot... posted by Rif Addams on 8/5/2002 at 8:00:42 PM
"The Middle/weight bikes with the 26"x1&3/4" tires are the stepchild of collectors..."
Just keep telling yourselves that. It keeps the prices reasonable for us Middleweight collectors! LOL :-}
I have a few ballooners, but Middleweights are what I'm really into. Don't get me wrong I love all old bikes, but my first old bike was a middleweight Schwinn and I just go for 'em! :-}

Cool find. Clean it, polish it, ride it, enjoy it...

AGE / VALUE:   worth restoring? posted by: wayne on 7/30/2002 at 1:30:28 PM
I've come across an older schwinn bike, all original with a broken seat
serial number is n28046 . Is this a 1954 or 56 or something else?What
model name? New to biking?Is there a missing nameplate on
chain guard,theres 2 small holes in it.any info will be helpful.
bike belonged to wifes grandfather

   RE:AGE / VALUE: worth restoring? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/31/2002 at 9:46:11 PM
First, we gotta see what it is that you have!
Worth saving? yes, worth riding? yes. Worth looking into? yes.
Go to your library and go to the bicycle section look for the Schwinn Bicycles book by Pridemore and Hurd.
See what it is that you have.
Please describe it for us in better detail. So we can tell you.
What size wheels, what color, what does the chainguard say on it? decals? what do they say?

Wifes grandpa's bike could surprise you what it sells for on e- bay. Shipping a bike is not difficult. Boxes are free at a bike shop.

We can walk you through anything here. Anything! The sharp folks who hang here are great guys and gals.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: worth restoring? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/31/2002 at 9:48:25 PM
Seat? no problem. Badge? a minor thing.
No decal on chainguard? We'll nail it down another way.
Look for pictures of Grandpa on this bike!

MISC:   can a tank fit my schwinn? posted by: rick moren on 7/30/2002 at 7:05:56 AM
i will like to know if a schwinn black phantom tank can be added to my schwinn frame, i doubt my frame is a black phantom but it is a beach cruser schwinn frame..??/

   RE:MISC:   can a tank fit my schwinn? posted by james weezer on 7/30/2002 at 7:12:11 AM
yeah i wanted to build me a black phantom but i thought that the tank needed a specific piece on the frame so it can stay on there ...well if anyone knows anithing PLEASE EMAIL...........

   RE:RE:MISC:   can a tank fit my schwinn? posted by Freddie on 7/30/2002 at 9:49:57 AM
It should. I picked up a older schwinn corvette that I decided to make into a cruiser. A repop phantom tank fit perfect.Just to check I also tried it on a later typhoon and it fit also. Good luck on your projects.

   RE:MISC:   can a tank fit my schwinn? posted by MNSmith on 7/31/2002 at 9:27:52 AM
Schwinn 26" cantilever tanks will fit on Schwinn 26" cantilever frames. Only the half tanks ( such as on the Panther II or III ) need special frame tabs.


BALLOON:   Schwinn DX?? Need help with the year! posted by: Lar on 7/29/2002 at 9:42:39 PM
I recently aquired an old Schwinn frame which I at first thought was an old straightbar. When I got it home and took a better look at it, I noticed that it wasnt exactly a straightbar .... the middle bar has a slight arch to it. Could someone possibly help me identify this frame?? Would it be a DX maybe? That's the only model similar to it that I've seen on the net. It's got mounting brackets for a chainguard, a built in kickstand, and the serial number is underneath the bottom bracket. The serial number is ... B70380. Can anyone help me out with an accurate date on this frame? Also, when I got it it didn't have a headbadge on it. Would it have had the standard oval Schwinn badge or would it have been totally different? If different, would anyone have one for sale or know where I could possibly purchase one? I've got a couple of pics of the frame if anyone needs to see it to help identify it.

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX?? Need help with the year! posted by MNSmith on 7/31/2002 at 9:25:04 AM
Yup, it's a DX. Could have had any number of badges on it. Put whatever badge you want on it. I might have a few different ones, send me a note.


AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn at Walmart posted by: Tom Findley on 7/29/2002 at 3:34:59 PM
This is a forbidden subject on the Schwinn forum, so I'll post it here. Yesterday I was at Wal-Mart, and saw a new Schwinn for sale. It was on the top shelf of the aisle, and was the most expensive bike of the 30 there, priced at $150. The other bikes were Monggose and Huffy. I could not see the detail of the bike, and am wondering if anyone has looked at any. Does the bike have quality features like welded-on kuckstanf housing, double-wall rims, metal gooseneck, metal handbrake grips, and metal pedals?

Are franchised Schwinn dealers goiung to supply parts and warranty work?

I got the idea that Schwinns can be bought at WalMart, but they (schwinn and Walmart) don't want a lot of publicity about it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn at Walmart posted by Spelling checker on 7/29/2002 at 3:45:23 PM
I bedder strt ising ut.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn at Walmart posted by goob on 7/29/2002 at 6:33:58 PM
one local dealer went of the schwinn dealership some months ago. He told me this was going to happen and he was afraid that they would bring it to him for the warrenty work. sad day ffor schwinn and i live within a few miles of wal-mart HQ and don;t like it one bit

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn at Walmart posted by oh PAleeese on 7/31/2002 at 2:52:02 AM
snicker snicker

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn at Walmart posted by goob on 7/31/2002 at 4:14:28 PM
Just came from Wally-mart and they are there. priced from $129.00 to 170.00. Murry and Huffy may be history.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mum, Dad! Don't touch it! It's evil! posted by Chris on 7/31/2002 at 5:04:51 PM
Next we will be seeing the ghosts of Ignatz Schwinn and he'll be with his son, Frank W. They will be be carrying Ed in chains with them. All over the country they'll be hauntings and sightings.
"Mommy, Mommy, there is this old German man in asile 9 and he's wearing these funny clothes and he was all angry and he said to go to a real bike shop and buy the bike there!"

Because these men devoted their lives to everything that is opposite to a chain store bicycle.
Quality, safe workmanship, ensuring proper service, a shop staffed with experienced bicyle men not somebody who who doubles selling shoes and everything else. Read the Schwinn history books. Get inside the minds of these men and see how passionately they felt about quailty.

Schwinn's sucess was built on the Schwinn bike being better than a chain store type bicycle.
Yes, they are spinning in their graves.
The Schwinn name, the bike's, all this legacy and history and it's wound up in Walmart.

The Schwinn at Walmart, don't look at it. It is blasphemous and ugly. Looking at these will rot your brain. Concentrate on finding the old, original, real things with the accesories and colors and enjoy these. Take from the present the things worth having, things you need and take from the past the things that make you happy.

Or maybe: In the middle of the night wisps of white smoke are appearing around the Schwinns at Walmart and the bikes are mysteriously moving and being re-assembled and trued as if by magic. Perhaps the spirits will help out in the back assembly room putting things right. Like little shoe cobblering elves from beyond the grave.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mum, Dad! Don't touch it! It's evil! posted by MNSmith on 7/31/2002 at 7:58:27 PM
Wait a minute now. Look at Schwinn's BFG line of bikes. Made by Schwinn specifically for the B.F.Goodrich store chains. Not only made just for those stores, but stripped down versions so BFG could buy them cheaper to sell them cheaper. No kickstand tubes, cheaper stems, etc. Schwinn didn't start creating the independent dealer network until the late fifties, early sixties. Until then it was whatever made the company money!! Schwinn bikes were put in chain stores, mom and pop shops and all kinds of places. How else would you keep up with Elgins or whatever sold at Sears and the like.

You can still be passionate about quality and sell in a chain store. This is nothing new for Schwinn, just history repeating itself. You can make all the quality bikes you want, if you can't sell them, you're gonna go out of business! Talk to my LBS. He has no interest in me holding a bike swap at his business. It does him no good for a bunch of collectors coming in to talk about bikes. None of these guys want to buy product. Heck!, they don't even want him to lace up wheels for them. He could care less if Schwinn goes to a chain store, he's going to stock product that will sell. Pacific ( with their Schwinn line ) are going to do what they have to do to make money. Whether you and me disagree with that or not!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mum, Dad! Don't touch it! It's evil! posted by ken on 8/4/2002 at 7:11:17 PM
Right again. If it says made in China who cares if it says Schwinn? The Chicago days are 25 years gone. I was in my LBS the other day watching a guy with the audacity to try to sell a young mother a 12" bike with training wheels for her four-year-old. It said Schwinn on the front and $99 on the tag. I had to bite my tongue not to tell her to go to Wallyworld and save $65 for the one he's going to need next year.

AGE / VALUE:   German bike? posted by: Steve on 7/29/2002 at 1:40:25 PM
I just picked up an old bike at a yard sale. The seller was a college kid who claimed that it was 1940's German made. He also told me proudly that he repainted it (ouch). The bike is obviously post-war. Its badge says MADE IN W. GERMANY below a stylizied hemisphere picturing Europe. Above the globe is a flying bird (eagle?) and above that a crown. There are no other markings on the bike except a serial number. The seller says he didn't paint over any markings either. The only identifiable component is a coaster brake by Centrix. The bike has a beautiful womens frame with a single down tube below and a pair of smaller diameter parallel downtubes above. I have jpgs if anybody would like a look.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   German bike? posted by Steve on 8/6/2002 at 2:26:45 PM
Hey guys I'm really disappointed! Is my query posted in the wrong forum? Is there no interest in post-war German middleweights? One of these must be true because no one responded to my post. Even if no one knows/cares about this particular bike perhaps someone can answer this question: Is it feasible to remove the repaint job? Looks like enamel, possibly rustoleum.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   German bike? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/6/2002 at 5:16:28 PM
Stay with us, keep posting. Work this one back and over. German bikes are gonna be difficult. I don't know why, but that's my feelings on it.

AGE / VALUE:   Excelsior posted by: Ambur on 7/28/2002 at 5:04:25 AM
What is the age and value of my Exclesior bike? The emblem on the front is different than the regular schwinn label; it has a giant X on it, then is says exclesior, then it says Anrold schwinn and company. There is a number on the bottom of the pedal crank, i think it is the serial #, it's B04271. It's such a nice ride, and I was thinking of restoring it (surface rust) with some new paint and chrome - would it be worth it to restore it?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Excelsior posted by MNSmith on 7/29/2002 at 9:52:59 AM
Well, it would cost a bunch to restore it and most likely devalue it. If most of the original paint is still there, it might be better to just clean it up. There are only a handfull of people across this country who can correctly restore it to retain its value. By the way, sounds like you have a nice prewar Schwinn. That headbadge was mostly used 1945 and earlier.


AGE / VALUE:   Example of road to Perdition bike posted by: sam on 7/28/2002 at 3:32:55 AM
Check out the first post at "www.thecabe.com under Antique bikes.

BALLOON:   1938 Menn's Elgin posted by: Tom on 7/27/2002 at 7:41:09 PM

I'm looking at buying a 1938 Elgin men's frame. Does anyone know about parts interchangeablity with Schwinn Cruiser style bikes? (mostly Crankset and stems)I have to admit that I'm new at the Vintage bike thing but I just want to know if I can get this beautiful thing back on the road without it costing more than my car.


   RE:BALLOON:   1938 Menn's Elgin posted by sam on 7/28/2002 at 3:43:31 AM
will interchange,but parts for your bike are avalible try here,then memory Lane(419-832-3040)or Maple Island(417-682-6655) and Ebay.Why wast money when the right parts are often the same cost.

   RE:BALLOON:   1938 Menn's Elgin posted by JOEL on 7/29/2002 at 5:00:01 PM
How much did your car cost again???

If you are trying to build a ridable custom cruiser, no problem. Parts are interchangable for the most part and there are cheap aftermarket wheels, fenders,... If you plan to try and restore it, it would be cheaper in most cases to find a complete one to start.

It would really depend on which model you have and what parts are missing.

   RE:BALLOON:   1938 Menn's Elgin posted by Jimbo Jones on 7/31/2002 at 8:30:29 AM
Stem is of the most common varity , not schwinn. Schwinn is smaller in diameter.
Crank I beleive is threaded the same as schwinn but the bearings and races are of the largest varity, not schwinn.

I have put new chrome on my elgin special 39 and it was a complete headache finding parts the match SAFELY.

Elgins rule. By all means restore it but don't expect the schwinn parts to fit correctly. Those other repsonses are either from ham-fisted lunitics or my 39 is nothing like your 38.

BALLOON:   model posted by: melinda chiaro on 7/27/2002 at 6:44:22 PM
a friend is new to the bike restoration thing. he picked up a schwinn girls bike frame at a swap meet. we've identified it as a 1957 by the serial no. how can we identify the model, so we can look for other parts to restore it? it has a horn gas tank. i'm having a terrible time trying to find a web site that just lists years and models made that year (according to maker). does anyone know where i can find this info?

   RE:BALLOON:   model posted by sam on 7/28/2002 at 3:48:21 AM
Melindia,Tell us a little more about the bike and maybe we can help.What size tires does it have?What color or colors is it?And What does it say on the chain guard?

BALLOON:   model posted by: melinda chiaro on 7/27/2002 at 6:44:22 PM
a friend is new to the bike restoration thing. he picked up a schwinn girls bike frame at a swap meet. we've identified it as a 1957 by the serial no. how can we identify the model, so we can look for other parts to restore it? it has a horn gas tank. i'm having a terrible time trying to find a web site that just lists years and models made that year (according to maker). does anyone know where i can find this info?

AGE / VALUE:   huffy tanker posted by: freddie on 7/25/2002 at 11:47:57 PM
I have an old huffy that I hope somebody can help me date. Large metal headbadge. HUFFY. Chain adjusters.Bendex hubs. A very large horn tank. The tank has a plane on top rear both sides. A small eagle lower front and the huffy name top center. The whole bike looks just like a radio bike without the radio. inc carrier.I think it is a less costly bike from the same year. Thanks for any help. The bike is in very good condition.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   huffy tanker posted by Chris on 7/26/2002 at 7:43:39 PM
Can you post the first two characters of the serial number? Serial number should start with a single digit number followed by a letter (probably 'H'). Should be on the left rear dropout. Your bike sounds like a 1950's model, and that first digit should be the last digit of the year (i.e. 6 = 1956, etc).

BALLOON:   Sears Foremost bicycle posted by: Tim on 7/25/2002 at 7:21:56 PM
Some additional info- that Sears bike apparently belonged to an old lady that said it was from the 1930's. It also has a headlamp. I told my friend Sears sold Elgin's in the 30's, but apparently this was another bike they sold. Appreciate any info. Thanks, Tim

   RE:BALLOON:   Sears Foremost bicycle posted by goob on 7/26/2002 at 12:53:33 AM
foremosts were sold by j c penneys not sears

BALLOON:   Old Sears bicycle posted by: Tim Keith on 7/25/2002 at 7:09:04 PM
A friend of mine has an old bicycle from Sears that he said I can have. I haven't seen it yet, but he said it is a Sears Foremost. I haven't been able to find any info on this bike anywhere. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tim K.

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Balloon Westpoint Middleweight posted by: Pastor Anaya on 7/25/2002 at 5:16:04 PM
I have a near mint, copper color, perfect Clipper by Columbia chainguard, single speed boys 26 x2.125 bike. Someone put new 26x 2.125 mountain bike tires on it and because of the very shiny paint and new tires and location in the corner of basement it had been hidden among the 600 other bikes I had mentally considered it a more modern bike until I finally got around to bike by bike inventory and realized that I have a near mint boy's balloon tire bike. However, I can not find a serial number. I know this must be valuable and I want to sell it at the Omaha Swap Meet Saturday, but I can't find anything similiar on the web to help me find a fair price. Also, I have a Westpoint single speed 26 x 1.75 that I can't find any where. Don't refer me to VVVintage Price guide. I already have that and I am pricing below there because we need to sell everything. Also, I have an interesting old Zenith folding bike I can't find anywhere. The price guide is helping with a lot of our bikes though. Please write if you have websites with pictures to recommend.