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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Can You Identify this bike???? posted by: Rick Kerkhoff on 11/6/2003 at 1:32:17 AM
I am trying to identify my Dad's old middleweight bike. We think it is early 1930's but can't seem to pin it down. He painted it as a kid so there are no identifying decals, paint, or headbadge. The URL below has pictures.


   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Can You Identify this bike???? posted by Joel on 11/6/2003 at 3:40:20 PM
That's not a middleweight. This style is called a motorbike. The crankset looks like Columbia and it could have been sold under several brands. Sears also sold them (Elgin brand). Your guess at the age is probably correct. singletube tires went away in the 30s.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Can You Identify this bike???? posted by Stacey on 11/8/2003 at 11:41:27 AM
Bottom left picture, it looks like I'm seeing a headbadge peeking out from under all that paint and oil. You might want to take a closer look there.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Can You Identify this bike???? posted by Rick on 11/10/2003 at 7:05:38 PM
There's no headbadge there. What you are seeing is where I rubbed my thumb to check for a headbadge.

MISC:   1957 Schwinn Corvette posted by: Edward Folke on 11/6/2003 at 12:20:59 AM
Another Schwinn I have a question about is my Corvette. I know most of everything I need to know about this model, I dated the hubs (3spd, Sturmey) to 1957, front and rear and deciphered the serial number making sure it was in the correct location, left rear drop-out area.

My only unanswered question is about the head badge. It is a customary "Schwinn" badge for the era, white background, silver letters and border, but it says "B.F. Goodrich in small script just to the right of the last "N", printed at a 45 degree angle.

I thought that the B.F.Goodrich bikes just had their name with a small "Schwinn" logo posted at the bottom right. What is up with this badge I have? Is it a rare version of the ever so common "Corvette"? Thanks for any help.


   RE:MISC:   1957 Schwinn Corvette posted by MNSmith on 11/7/2003 at 8:05:55 AM
Not rare. Just the end of the Schwinn made BFG's. By then the Schwinn name was coming on strong but they had to finish out their contract with BFG. If "Schwinn" sells better than "BFGoodrich", then "Schwinn" was put in bigger letters.


   RE:RE:MISC:   1957 Schwinn Corvette posted by ed on 11/7/2003 at 9:22:34 AM
Thanks for the timely reply.

What was the last year for the BFG Schwinn's? Are they more collectible than the standard Schwinn's? Thanks in advance for your help.


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   1957 Schwinn Corvette posted by MNSmith on 11/13/2003 at 7:58:06 AM
I wouldn't say they were more collectable. I'd say the run lasted to 1954-55 or so.

MISC:   1952 Schwinn Typhoon straight bar posted by: Edward Folke on 11/6/2003 at 12:06:25 AM
I just recently acquired a very nice Schwinn Typhoon which I believe to be made in '52. Serial # A214477. What is a good web site to break Schwinn codes? Living in Seattle, I frequently have old Schwinn's given to me. (Lucky, I know)This one is particularly interesting in that it has a "straight bar" design. The top tube is curved like most of the cantilever frames, but the two bars that run parallel to it are straight as an arrow. Is this rare for this model? It also has a Bendix "Automatic", red stripe, large flange, coaster-brake hub. Is this a 2-spd. kick-back? The front hub is a "Schwinn Approved" made in germany, but with no numerical date code. Script on hub is quite fancy. All decals are perfect and the bike is missing nothing. It just has a few scratches here and there. The pedals are pristine with the left showing NO scratches at all on the outer edge. I would say that this bike is a strong 8 on a 1-10 scale with 10 being best. If anyone can help answer these questions, you can reply here or e-mail me at edwardfolke@comcast.net This bike can be for sale if interested. Thanks!

   RE:MISC:   1952 Schwinn Typhoon straight bar posted by gary m on 11/7/2003 at 2:39:13 AM
well if it is a typhoon that is a 62 straight bar a one year only bike. i have one as well should be red. 2sp common, they made that to validate the tornado series of import bikes which had a similar straight bar, the difference being the cantilever bars are one peice with the rear stays on typhoon and welded on ornaments on the tornado.

   RE:RE:MISC:   1952 Schwinn Typhoon straight bar posted by ed on 11/7/2003 at 9:19:47 AM
Thanks Gary, for all of your help, as well as a timely response. The "Typhoon" is genuine to the best of my knowledge. It is red in color, no overspray or re-paint.

This bike was pulled from an attic in Seattle where it was stored for the last 28 years. Believe it or not, the owner was contemplating taking it to the dump as he thought it was "Unsafe to ride because it is so old."

There are a few scratches, most likely from careless storage. Other than that, it is darn near perfect. The rear hub has two red stripes on it, marked "Bendix Automatic". I have a Canadian CCM Duomatic Cruiser that has a "Duomatic" kickback, coasterbrake, 2-spd hub. Is mine a 2-spd? I did not know that Schwinn made such a creature.

What makes it a '62 vs. a '52? What source is reliable to crack the Schwinn date code? What year was the Typhoon intoduced and why only one year for the straight bar ('62)? Is the one year only more desireable than the rest? If so, what kind of an approximate value would you put on it?

The cantilever bars are definitely one piece, integrated with the rear stays, that is what caught my eye in the first place.

Thanks again Gary for the help.


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   1952 Schwinn Typhoon straight bar posted by Rif on 11/8/2003 at 5:45:06 PM
I have three Typhoons- a 1963 (October), a 1964 (January), and a 1966 deluxe (March).
1962 was the first year of the Typhoon, and the straight bars were only used in 1962.
From 1963 onwards it was a typical cantilever frame.
Your rear hub is, in fact, a two speed automatic or "kickback".
The Typhoon is a middleweight; mid-weights weren't introduced until '55, and as I said above the Typhoon introduced in '62, therefore it would be impossible for this to be a '52.
There are a lot of good resources on this we-site, out there on the web, and some excellent books available aout old bikes and their history... If you are finding that you really dig old bikes, just start searching, the info will come to you.
I hope this has helped,
Keep the Tire Side Down!

   RE:MISC:   1952 Schwinn Typhoon straight bar posted by Rod on 4/29/2005 at 8:31:04 PM
Your serial # dates to January 1962.

BALLOON:   komet hub posted by: luke on 11/5/2003 at 11:36:48 PM
Hey all,
im still trying to date my 50,s pennys [foremost.
my rear hub is a komet and reads, F.&S. J KOMET SUPER
161 36.
Could anyone out there date this hub for me?
Iwould be so gratfull.
thank you,

   RE:BALLOON:   komet hub posted by gary m on 11/7/2003 at 2:44:01 AM
Fichtel and Sachs hub from germany, finer quality bearings and design then anything ever made here. clean it, lube it and use it, its a well made part.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   komet hub posted by luke on 11/7/2003 at 10:29:06 PM
thanks gary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by: John on 11/5/2003 at 3:58:44 PM
Does anyone know anything about Road Masters. It seems as if they were never made as far as questions go. People only seem to know about schwinns. Id like to find out what year my Road Master was built. It's ser# is F63689 AC, that is found on the bottom of the crank. Does anyone out there hold any such knowledge of Road Masters? Or have all records of Road Masters sadly slipped throught the cracks of time?


   RE:BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by Joel on 11/5/2003 at 10:46:22 PM
The serial number records are lost. Roadmaster bikes were made over a long period of time by several manufacturers. Try posting a picture or more info. There are some good photos and catalogs over at Nostalgic.net

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by John on 11/6/2003 at 8:10:46 AM
Thanks for your help Joel. I will take your advice and check out that site.. If it helps my bike was made by the Cleveland welding Co.


   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by Joel on 11/6/2003 at 3:59:43 PM
Sure, that helps. CW made them from the mid 30s-mid 50s.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by John on 11/6/2003 at 6:36:27 PM
Hey Joel,

Would a picture help narrow it down? The bike has a skip tooth chain, springer fork, 24x2.125 tires, troxel saddle, fenders, chain guard, and horn tank. I'm not sure if that description helps, maybe certain things were only used certain years type thing? Well anyway thanks for all your help.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by Joel on 11/6/2003 at 8:58:08 PM
Sure, send a picture.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING posted by john on 11/7/2003 at 6:15:41 AM
Hey Joel,

Can you e-mail me your e-mail address.

BALLOON:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by: Christian Wiede on 11/5/2003 at 5:30:06 AM
I am looking for a late 50's, or early-to-mid 60's model Schwinn Spitfire, girls model. Any idea where one could be found?? Thanks.

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by marc on 11/5/2003 at 2:29:13 PM
hey there. I'm have a 56 spitfire for sale. Its green, all original. Needs a new front tire. Leather of the seat is rotted area but could be replaced. Its green. I've got pics so let me know through email

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Spitfire posted by gary m on 11/7/2003 at 2:46:52 AM
i have 3 of them a 1950 ladies complete and a 57 male and 57 female i wont seperate. 100 for the 50 and 200 for the pair

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by: Tim on 11/3/2003 at 10:24:58 PM
Is there such a thing as a useable springer fork? I've only ridden a couple of bikes with them, and I thought they were awful for actual riding. I love the way they look, but my bikes are riders, not showpieces. Are there any springer forks that are as functional as cosmetic?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by sam on 11/4/2003 at 2:23:05 AM
Sounds like you been riding those cheap lowrider bikes with bent springer forks!The cheap cruzer forks an't much better.True Schwinn , Hawthorn , Murry ,Huffman ,Monark springers work good.Wish I could ride a Pierce with the springer fork like is on ebay at present--sam

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by Schwinnderella on 11/4/2003 at 7:27:00 PM
Let's not forget most of these bikes were built for youngsters,not for 180 pound men.On schwinns which I intend to ride on a regular basis I have had good luck using the repro Whizzer Heavy Duty Spring...looks original and works much better for adults.


   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by Tim on 11/5/2003 at 2:02:12 AM
I think one was a fairly modern repro on a old Schwinn frame. The other was a new Nirve which I think came with the springer stock.

The fork on that Pierce Comfort bike looks downright scary to me!

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by rif on 11/8/2003 at 5:52:32 PM
IMHO- the Clevland Welding (roadmaster, hawthorne, hiawatha) springer is absolutely the best I've ridden.
I love it it's a good well functioning design that really works to reduce road shock! I've ridden the schwinn, the monark copy of schwinn, Higgins Bee-hive, el cheapo schwinn re-pops, and of course, my Clevland Welding Hawthorne.
I have not yet tried the earlier Monark dual spring, but it looks like a pretty good design.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by MONARKMAN on 11/9/2003 at 9:43:34 PM
I agree with the other comments made. I have a 1956 JC Higgins with beehive springer, useless for a 175 Lb. person. I agree that the Cleveland Welding is a great springer. Also the Scwhinn is great with not too much "bobbing". The Schwinn styled Monark springer is also excellent, a little bobbing but not bad. The twin springer Monark is ok, but when you hit a good sized bump, it makes a lot of noise and the "linkage" hits fender brace. The Columbia springer is ok, but bobbs and will bottom out on bumps. I am sure these worked well for a young boy or girl, but for big boys and girls like us, I would choose the Schwinn, Cleveland Welding, or the "Schwinn style" Monark springer. I have a 53' Monark with the "schwinn" styled springer that I have ridden sevral thousand miles, and have not had any problems with it, ( I weigh 175 lbs.) The Schwinn also works well as I have not noticed any severe b\"bobbing" when peddalling while seated. Sure, there is a little energy loss due to the suspension fork, especially when standing up on the pedals, but not enough in my opinion to out weigh the comfort factor.

Hope this helps,
William AKA "Monarkman"

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Such a thing as a useable springer fork? posted by John on 11/10/2003 at 5:35:43 AM
I agree with the gentemen above. I have a Road Master made by the Cleveland Welding co, that has an outstanding springer fork. I believe it is a 1936 yet not 100% sure. I have no complaints with it, she seems to be flawless.


AGE / VALUE:   Headbadges posted by: Kid on 11/3/2003 at 4:26:13 PM
Is there anyone who can point me to resources that will tell me what years Schwinn used different badges? Would like to know what years Schwinn changed the badge so as to help identify different year Schwinn bikes, already have the serial number chart, thx for your help

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Headbadges posted by Ken on 11/3/2003 at 6:23:44 PM
Kid, I'd really like to see this subject covered too. I am also curious about dating the variations in the Quality - Chicago cross in circle logo on the seat tube. Sure would be nice if we could all get together and assemble a database of what we know-- but there's a few guys on here (hello, Mark S) who could give pretty close dates.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Headbadges posted by Kid on 11/4/2003 at 4:10:54 PM
It sure would help me to date some of my bikes, since i haven't found some of them on any serial number chart, pics would be nice also, does anyone know about a campus green collegiate with a 5-speed? it's a big bike, very large frame, haven't measured it yet, was 26", now a 27", any info would help, thx

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Headbadges posted by Rod on 4/29/2005 at 8:37:16 PM
Schwinn made large headbadges from the late-'40's to 1960, and the smaller headbadges span from 1961 to the 1980's.

AGE / VALUE:   What size spokes? Schwinn 24 and the 26 inch wheel bikes? posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/3/2003 at 4:53:44 AM
The old Schwinn's with the 26 X 2.125 wheels. What size spokes go in the front wheel and what size spokes go in the rear wheel?
Trying to sort out spokes here and I don't know what size goes to what bike.
The boxes have markings on the ends. The boxes are labeled
What size are you looking for?
E- mail me your spoke needs.
I seem to have 600 lbs of various sizes and makes of spokes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What size spokes? Schwinn 24 and the 26 inch wheel bikes? posted by gary m on 11/7/2003 at 2:48:56 AM
how much for all of them?

BALLOON:   Progressive cycle co. posted by: jeff moser on 11/2/2003 at 11:44:49 PM
I have a girls 26" bike,that is a Progressive cycle co. New york, N.Y. It's called a COMET. I can't find any info on this maker. Can anyone help? Thanks, Jeff

MISC:   Reflectors..... posted by: Fred A on 11/2/2003 at 1:55:44 PM
Does anyone know when the bicycle companies began putting reflectors on the pedals? I have an older Columbia from I believe the late 50's that is all original and it has them. Does this seem accurate?

   RE:MISC:   Reflectors..... posted by sam on 11/4/2003 at 2:26:14 AM
I think 1972 it was a gov.mandate.---sam

   RE:MISC:   Reflectors..... posted by sam on 11/4/2003 at 2:30:12 AM
Reflectored or Jewels as they were called on pedals does go way back---pre-war era. depends on what type you have---sam

AGE / VALUE:   Dating a Road Master posted by: John on 11/2/2003 at 5:24:21 AM
I have a Road Master bike that I'm not sure of its age. The # is F63689ACw. Can anyone stear me in the right direction. The bike has a skip tooth chain, fenders, troxel spring saddle, springer front fork, horn tank, chain guard, and 24x2.125 ballon tires. It's in decent shape as well. The rear axle has a grease fill cap/new departure make, and these cool little adjusting screws for the rear axle chain tension. I have no idea of its value. I restore aircraft and was wondering if I should restore this bike. The paint on the center bar & front fender is fading to the zinc cromate primer. If I restore it I might possibly beed blast & powder coat then two part polyurethane the next color and pinstripe, or is this a mistake to do? Anyway I would greatly appreciate any helpful hints.


AGE / VALUE:   SCHEUER BICYCLE posted by: DAN on 11/1/2003 at 10:47:31 PM
I just got another free bike from another neighbor. It is a SCHEUELR " THE PRESIDENT"...single speed, coaster brake, original good year 26 x 1 3/8 tires, front mouse trap, rear rack, small tank, made in west germany, blue with all decals intact, lotsa decals, paint is avg for age, it will not be "restored", just cleaned...anybody have clue to the age? value etc?
Also I have another girls bike that i found numbers on the seat post tube that are "3275834", no other markings since bike was painted. Has coaster brake with new departure model D hub, skip tooth sprocket and chain...any leads on identifing it?

BALLOON:   Savage posted by: cd on 10/29/2003 at 2:32:20 AM
Just got an old bike in a trade that i'm contemplating restoring. All i can tell of it is that the headbadge says "Savage" under a beautiful picture of an American Indian in headdress. It has wood inlaid rims with sew-up/glue-on/semineumatic tires. The guy i traded it from said it was teens or twenties. Can't find any info on it anywhere. Does anyone know where i might find a photo refernece or any information whatsoever. thanks

   RE:BALLOON:   Savage posted by gary m on 10/30/2003 at 2:46:10 AM
dude Savage is a massively collected rifle, i would horde that bike like gold. Is my 2 cents

   RE:BALLOON:   Savage posted by sam on 10/30/2003 at 3:40:24 AM
I've noticed the teens bikes that have Indian badges seem to have more value.Can't say yes or no to it being sold by Savage arms.I have seen several badges along this line--Red Indian,Savage,Siminole etc---sam

   RE:BALLOON:   Savage posted by Ken on 10/30/2003 at 3:08:28 PM
There's a Savage badge on jim langley's site
I don't know if he answers email but he's one of the better-informed bike guys; used to write for Bicycling Magazine

   RE:BALLOON:   Savage posted by dan on 11/3/2003 at 1:57:39 PM
Your savage may actually be a ROLLFAST. Look up ROLLFAST information to check.

   RE:BALLOON:   Savage posted by cd on 11/6/2003 at 2:55:19 AM
thanks, the Rollfast connection is the only one I've found. Still searching for that conclusive photo of the same headbadge. After some research in books, the frame fenders and wheelset seem to be the same as the teens Columbia, and the 20's Premier (The American Bicycle, Pridmore and Hurd). Being a novice in old bike identification I don't know if there were many companies that used the same basic design or if there were tell-tale details beyond paint to distinguish one manufacturer from the next. keep researching i guess

AGE / VALUE:   value of a CCM Flyte posted by: MAX on 10/28/2003 at 7:53:23 PM
does anyone know the value for a 1937-41 CCM Flyte all parts original except for the tires
does anyone know how to tell what year it is?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   value of a CCM Flyte posted by mike patterson on 11/9/2003 at 1:51:54 AM
What's the serial number?