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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   weinmann brakes from europe ? posted by: julie on 4/27/2003 at 6:17:32 AM
Still doing some homework on finding out the history of my bike. Can anyone tell me about Weinmann brakes prior to their move to USA? When did they move? My brakes say Weinmann Junior 0730.

AGE / VALUE:   Starliner-Royce Union 1960 3 speed posted by: julie on 4/26/2003 at 12:01:35 AM
I have no idea where to post this inquiry due to my ignorance as to what I have, so I appologize for the multiple postings...But, help, I have found a run over Royce Union 3 speed Starliner female bike (not in too bad of condition) The Sturmey/Archer hub has a date of may 1960. I want to fix it up but don't know the first thing about repairing/rebuilding bikes. I can't find any information on Royce Union. Is it British, Dutch, cheap American? There are some numbers stamped into the down tube 605398...0, as well as under the pedal holding part of the frame. Can anyone tell me what I may have in this bike as far as potential value and/or where I can find some information about it and how to rebuild it-I am looking forward to the project more than anything else.
Thanks- julie
P.S. I was asked to check for informtion on the wheel rim, handle bar and/or anything else that may have components. So, I did. The following is what I found:
Nothing on the wheel rim
Handle Bar- WF is part of the black plastic handle bar "cap" that affixes at the end of the handle bars.
Brakes: Brake # 1- I found a picture of a fish with a dorsal fin that looks like rainbow. On the other side of the same brake a cirlce with what looks like the letter "d" below the letter "j", position so that the j rests atop the d and the numbers 374040. Brake # 2:Had on one side the name Weinmann Junior and on the other side the number 730.


BALLOON:   Schwinn Silent Drive (ie belt) posted by: Bill Brink on 4/25/2003 at 2:36:02 AM
Anyone here have a serious collectors interest in a full preproduction build Silent Drive(or sometimes referred to as "whisper Drive")? I have confirmed with Schwinn that this is one of about 10 that were built and tested by staff in Colorado. It's been ridden, but not much. The belt is gone, and they never went to full production. They don't get much more rare than this. E-mail me if interested:
Bill Brink

AGE / VALUE:   1967 SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by: Kevin K on 4/24/2003 at 11:59:51 PM
Hi all. I purchased a nice 1967 Schwinn Speedster. I know very little of the bike. Were all Speedsters 3 speeds? Also the color on the bike looks to be Terra Cotta. It is beautiful. Very few scratches and the decals are 98% perfect. Is Terra Cotta the correct color or is it Radiant Red? Also, the tires on the bike are not original. To me they do not fit the rim correctly. Did Schwinn make a tire just for this 26" rim ( It has the raised center ). Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1967 SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by Kevin K on 4/25/2003 at 12:12:40 AM
Hi all. Uh the bike is a Schwinn Racer, not a Speedster. Sorry, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1967 SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by Gordon on 4/26/2003 at 2:44:06 AM
I have 2 Racers, a 3 speed and a single speed. Tires are Schwinn 26 x 1 3/8 for S5 rim. Standard 1 3/8 tires are not correct.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1967 SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by JONathan on 4/26/2003 at 6:54:59 PM
The 37-590 standard tire is too small. Kenda makes a tire that works great on the S6 wheel. It is a good idea to partial inflate just a bit after the tube is set in. This prevents the wheel hop effect. After getting the tube seated with slight inflation, you finish mounting the tire. Pump a little more and check the bead for even fit. I bounce the tire gently through the circumference to make sure its correctly seated. Then pump it up. The Kenda is $9. The Schwinn proprietary tire does fit better if you can get one. I have a couple of tires from the '70's that have slight crazing in the outer rubber, but inside they are fine. They made great tires.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1967 SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by JONathan on 4/26/2003 at 7:09:07 PM
Kevin, I have a few of the raised center Schwinn rims. The nickel plated chrome steel is the best I've seen on any rim. Mine clean up great and look great on a "Breeze" or "Speedster" or "Racer". Look on the rim near the hole for tube stem and you'll see the stamping of the rim type. Mine are S6 and S2. The S2 is for a balloon tire. The S6 and S5 are for the nominal 26 x 1 3/8 wheels on their LW's. The British standard 26 x 1 3/8 wheels use smaller tires, (EA?) which I've ruined trying to fit on the Schwinn S6's.

AGE / VALUE:   M/W 3 speed posted by: Tim on 4/24/2003 at 4:16:06 PM
I`m looking to purchase a men`s middle wieght 3spd Schwinn ,I would perfer a blue Corvette but would consider any must be priced within reason
Thanks Tim

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   M/W 3 speed posted by Schwinnderella on 4/24/2003 at 4:47:32 PM
Tim,Where are you located?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   M/W 3 speed posted by Tim on 4/26/2003 at 3:25:45 PM
I`m in N/W Ind. E-mail me

AGE / VALUE:   Ladies hollywood Schwinn posted by: Patty on 4/23/2003 at 1:48:40 PM
I have a green hollywood, all original parts and just needs cleaning, Basket, and reflecter added that lights up when you pedal, no dents or wear, HK50623, does anyone have an idea of value, or is this a pretty common model prj791@aol.com

BALLOON:   Anyone have info on Royce bicycles? posted by: Ed on 4/23/2003 at 1:27:17 AM
I was given a lady's Royce bike, at least that's what it looks like on the pedal caps. Badge is missing & bike has been painted over several times. 26" US Royal Chain Co. tires, 48T skiptooth, New Departure brake/hub, flared fenders, motorcycle type axle adjusters in rear frame V, blue origionally. Serial #F18711 under crank. Restore it or scrap it?? Ed250@MSN.COM.

FOR SALE:   Early 1940s Elgin Orig Paint Black/white boys $350. posted by: JOE on 4/22/2003 at 9:20:07 PM
War time Elgin with 280 orig miles clean all orig
bike- Allstate tires, orig paint. The chainring needs
plating $350. obo. I Will also trade + cash for
Early Sting-Ray and any good Krates or parts. Thanks!

AGE / VALUE:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter Naiman, Alias- Hetchinspete on 4/22/2003 at 2:39:03 AM
This is a list of the cycles you will be seeing on the Larz Anderson Concourse this Sunday on the 27th. We expect a number of other, lightweights, Highwheelers, Antique, and Ballon Tire to arrive on show day. The Museum of Transportation will also have their collection of rare antique cycles on display. Most of their prized collection is from the 1880 to early 1900s.

1958 Holdsworth "Triallist". 16 pound path racer.
37 Gloria La Garabaldina Extra. First (I believe) Italian produced Simplex
derailleur. Company that launched the careers of Masi, Colnago and others. many
details of both makers prevalent in this cycle. Satin nickle finish, chrome
lugs, painted spearpoint highlights. Original and complete.
46 Wilier la Triestina. Professional team bike of famous Magni, Cottur,
Bevilacqua team. Copper plated classic, original and complete
68 Masi GC. First year for this classic. Masi drilled components and custom
Bellini/Masi saddle. restored over three years. Champagne/yellow.
73 Masi GC. Team red of the first Carlsbad batch. Breaking Away. original and
1980 Jim Merz. Custom built for Vegas show with first issue Shimano AX group.
Aero cable routing, bb/chainstay mounted rear brake. Ferrari red.
84 Dave Grylls 3Rensho Pursuit bike. Stuning aero design in classic 3Rensho
purple. Classic Yoshi Konno design.
58 Rene Herse Pista. Work in progress.
68 Cinelli SC,bivalent, first Campy brakes, rear der.
1936 Hetchins with mostly original componants, 7th oldest cycle on the
Hetchins Registry at the VCC.
1938 Hetchins Anglo Continental, restored ( will be at Larz if completed in
time)Second oldest surviving Anglo of five known to survive, with original sales
slips from Hetchins.
1939 Hetchins Trio, one of only two surviving, unrestored with all original
1946 Hetchins Super Special, restored with gorgious correct 1940s group. One
of only about twenty surviving. Pre-curser the the Nulle Secundus.
1950/51 Hetchins Experto Crede. One owner cycle in original unrestored
condition, with all origial group.
1955 Hetchins Magnum Opus Phase II, restored by prior owner, with 1980 Campy
Super Record.
1956 Hetchins Expert Crede track bike. Might be unrestored.
1962 Hetchins Experto Crede track bike, restored by Bob Jackson. Gorgious.
1962 Experto Crede with Vibrant Stays. From Bicycle Classics
1967 Hetchins Hellenic straight stay. (may be ready to show).
2000 Hetchins Millenium. If ready to show. Will be ready for Cirque.
1966 Schwinn Paramount. Full chrome. Will be for sale after showing.
1983 Mercian Vincetore with Gold Galli group. Will be for sale after showing.
1984 Ciocc Designer with full Campag pantographed group. Will be for sale
after showing.
1950 Frddie Grubb All Rounder
1973 Cinelli Track Bike
1978 Teledyne Titanium. Spotless
1975 Gitane Tour de France
Early 1960s Masi Special
1973 Masi Gran Criterium
1973 California Masi
1950s Atala
1976 Medici Pro Strada
1970s Cas Vitus Pro Team
1980 Vitus Carbon
1973 Raleigh Record Ace
1936 German Six Day track bike by Schumacher
1980s Roberts
Two French town bikes
2001 Rivendell
1946 Hobbs Barbicon, restored
30 th Anniversary Richard Sachs
1971 Masi Gran Criterium
1939 Hetchins Brilliant
1930s Durkoff Six Day
1951 Raleigh Clubman with S/A 4Spd
2001 Rivendell Custom by Curt Goodrich
1952 Claude Butler Jubilee
1977 Roberts Road Bike
1970s Pugeot PX10
1937 Raleigh Tourist, won First Place at Cirque last year.
1940 Drysdale Special track bike
1974 Raleigh Professional (restored by Brian Baylis)
1976 Raleigh Competition Superbe
1917 Harley Davidson
1934 Schwinn Arrowcycle
1936 Elgin Skylark
1960 Bowden Spaceliner/ unrestored
1937 Dayton Huffman/ Firestone Fleetwood with full twinflex suspension
1955 Huffman Radio Bike
1951 Schwinn Black Phantom
1951 Schwinn Black Phantom with 1947 Whizzer Kit
1950 Schwinn Black Panther
1952 Schwinn Black Phantom
1897 Ladies Sterling
1915 Mens Columbia
1896 Mens Tall Frame Defiant
1926 Ladies Hibbard
1910 Mebs Red Indian
1920s Colson Fairy
1890s Eagle Highwheel
1890s Eagle Highwheel
1890s New Mail High Wheel
and a few assorted safeties and Ivor Johsons may accompany this Highwheel Collection.

MISC:   Seat Post posted by: Harry on 4/22/2003 at 12:37:49 AM
Hi, does anyone know where I can get a 1/2in. seat post for a bike? I have an old baloon bike not sure of the make, but its seat post is 1/2in in diameter, with this does anyone know of where I could possibly find a seat? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

   RE:MISC:   Seat Post posted by Gary M on 4/23/2003 at 3:01:46 AM
I suspect your looking for an L rod instead ot a straight tube.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Seat Post posted by Harry on 4/23/2003 at 9:33:43 PM
Yes, I guess that would be what I am looking for, haha. Although a strait seatpost would be fine too.
Thanks again,

MISC:   Ann Arbor/Saline Show and Swap posted by: steve on 4/21/2003 at 11:43:29 PM
This Sunday April 27th. Check out the web site for details. www.ann-arbor-bicycleshow.com

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by: Dave Charnecki on 4/21/2003 at 11:15:57 PM
My wife rides an old bike with the name Packard on the front made by Arnold Schwinn and Co.
Where can I find information about Packard bikes. Like when were they made? Are they valuable. etc. etc.
The only nos I can find is C 294(5?)6.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by Randall on 4/22/2003 at 9:30:28 PM
I have a Old mens Packard, is it made by Schwinn? I also can not find any info on this bike , Got to be worth something. Please let me know if you find any info out. Thanks Randall.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by sam on 4/24/2003 at 12:45:25 AM
All I can say is Packard was a pre-war headbadge used by schwinn.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by doug on 4/25/2003 at 11:14:11 AM
Hey Sam have this fella send you the pics this bike has a cool unique frame I dont think it was schwinn made but who knows you might, your pretty informed have a good one doug

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by National Bicycle History Archive of America on 4/25/2003 at 9:56:33 PM
There were several companies that made bicycles with a name on them that said "Packard". Schwinn was only one of them, so not all Packard bicycles were made by Schwinn. Take a pic of your bicycle and send it to NBHAA at oldbicycle@aol.com and we can identify it for you. Photos are needed since serial numbers alone are usually meaningless.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by Dave on 4/26/2003 at 6:01:08 AM
Thanks for all the help. I sent pictures to NBHAA but I,m pretty sure this is a post war Schwinn according to Oldschwinn.com. It seems I also have a pre war Packard Schwinn. Can pictures be added here?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by Dave on 4/26/2003 at 6:05:38 AM
Guess that didn't work

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Packard posted by Dave on 4/26/2003 at 6:06:25 AM
Guess that didn't work

AGE / VALUE:   Information about this ELGIN bike posted by: Richard K. on 4/21/2003 at 9:58:15 PM
I have an old Elgin girl's bike that my wife received as a child in the early 1950's. It was used when she got it. The bike has a double bar frame, the top tube is curved and the bottom one, straight, and they are connected by a short reinforcing tube. The bike is single speed with red rubber pedals and 26 by 1.375 wheels/tires. the hubs have grease fittings and both front and rear hubs have two ribs each. The front hand brake is center pull and is made of stampings while the rear brake is a coaster, marked "Elgin" in capital letters, followed by the number 531.10. I believe it was made in about 1945 but would like more infomration, if anyone has some. I just made it rideable. It is a delight to ride and much easier to pedal than I expected though the brakes need a lot of work!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Information about this ELGIN bike posted by sam on 4/21/2003 at 10:59:31 PM
Elgins were sears bikes sold before ww2.After ww2 sears changed the name to j c higgins . The 26x 1.375 were light weight tires (hard to find this size)This bike sounds like a columbia built bike.

BALLOON:   Make of Bicycle by Serial Number? posted by: Doug Driggers on 4/21/2003 at 5:40:32 PM
I have a bicycle that has no head badge, but has what appears to be a Hawthorne chain guard and sprocket. I saw the carrier on it, on a photo of a Huffman.

It has a skiptooth sprocket and rear hub. There serial number on the bottom of the crank housing is "94EH". That is the only marking that I can find anywhere on the bike. Any ideas as to maker or year?

Doug Driggers

AGE / VALUE:   restoreing bikes posted by: doug on 4/20/2003 at 1:50:58 PM
Hi everyon Im back after a long absence.too many wives LOL anyway have re stored several vintage schwinns and a couple stingrays.and i do a very nice job on them they look great of course re pro parts a lot of times but it does seem to be only a work of love because you cant sell them for near as much as you have into them at least in my experience anyone else seem to find this is the case?