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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   Murray Monterey posted by: Gary on 6/9/2003 at 4:42:50 AM
Purchased a Murray Mfg. co.(Monterey) SN# M09 005031 womens bicycle---ww tires,LIGHTNING DART written on the tires --on both ends of the word (Lightning) there is a raised impression of a native american wearing a headband as a feather hangs behind his head-Carlisle Tire & Rubber --
Division- Carlisle,PA-- would anyone happen to tell me the year? Thanks, Gary

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Monterey posted by Jimbo Jones on 6/10/2003 at 5:31:03 AM
Late 70s to today. They come with these vintage style tires. Threw me off the first time I saw one. Anyone know where one buys such tires? Kendas on my Elgin look cheezy.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Monterey posted by Doug on 6/13/2003 at 9:04:53 PM
I recently bought a Fleetwood that looks late 30's or so with tires like that, but blackwalls. I wondered about the tires, since the bike looks like its been around the block a few times, but the (old looking) tires still have rubber "flashing" on them. Carlisle Tire and Rubber is still in business, and even have a website, but they don't mention bicycle tires. I'd like to know if they're still available too. Might be worth contacting them, Jimbo.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Monterey posted by Ron on 6/14/2003 at 3:25:00 AM
I contacted Carlisle Tires about bike tires last summer, and they no longer make bike tires. I ended up getting some Kendas at the bike shop.

BALLOON:   New Departure Model D axle nuts? posted by: Joe on 6/9/2003 at 4:41:55 AM
I am in the process of rebuilding two pre war bikes, both use New Departure rear hubs, I am in need of the original rear axle nuts to match these. I tried regular 3/8" 24 tpi nuts but they won't fit, the N/D axle measures 3/8" x 24 but is either a little larger, or just a different type of thread? (I tried the original axle cones on a regular 3/8" -24 axle and they fit but are quite loose.)
If anyone knows where I can find these in new old stock or good used, let me know.

   RE:BALLOON:   New Departure Model D axle nuts? posted by Ken on 6/9/2003 at 5:37:13 PM
Joe, Mark Smith answered this question for me when I posted it 6/18/02. I checked the archive; here you go:
Here is the skinny. The axle is a 24 thread count. However, where a 3/8 x 24 bolt is at .366 diameter ( 9.29 mm ), the New Departure axle is slightly bigger at 371 ( 9.46 mm. ) You could chase it with a 3/8 x 24 die, but then your clutch cone and other cones would fit loose. I wouldn't doubt that New Departure had their own axle and nut machines. Schwinn did! I guess the industry wasn't completely standardized back then. New Departure made a lot of axle assemblies! You should be able to find a nut pretty easily!

AGE / VALUE:   serial # posted by: rich on 6/6/2003 at 1:18:01 PM
I have an old schwinn with the serial # G875126, would anyone happen to know the year of this one?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   serial # posted by Ken on 6/6/2003 at 8:35:09 PM
On the dropout? July 1958

AGE / VALUE:   Anyone going to Abita this year? posted by: sam on 6/6/2003 at 2:01:31 AM
The next Louisiana Bicycle Festival will take place at the UCM Museum in
Abita Springs on Father's Day, Sunday June 15, 2003.

Come see, exhibit, and ride homebuilt, vintage and custom bicycles. All
bicycles types were welcome - yes you can bring your new mountain bike,
your old racing bike, or the bicycle your grandfather has in is garage -
we'd like to see it. BMX guys - just do it!

Sponsors included the Abita Springs Business Association, Abita Brewery,
Walmart, BikeRod&Kustom, and the UCM Museum

Over six hundred bike enthusiasts attended last years festival. The
number of participants was dampen by wet weather conditions in the area.
The event was well publicized by print, radio, and tv. Hopefully we
will have another good turn out.

John Preble

AGE / VALUE:   New Departure black hub shell? posted by: Warren on 6/4/2003 at 12:33:51 AM
Hi...the title says it all. I saw one in a shop the other day and I have no knowledge of these hubs...they weren't really common in Canada. I've seen some hub shells for sale on "the bay" so I wondered about this one.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure black hub shell? posted by Gordon on 6/4/2003 at 12:36:56 PM
Called a "blackout hub" it is from the World War II years.

AGE / VALUE:   serial number posted by: DON POTTER on 6/3/2003 at 2:58:13 PM
looking for serial number for a roadmaster bike #c10381 AG THANKS

MISC:   SCHWINN RIMS AND TIRES posted by: J on 6/3/2003 at 3:38:18 AM

   RE:MISC:   SCHWINN RIMS AND TIRES posted by Greg on 6/3/2003 at 9:34:34 AM
If you have S-7 schwinn wheels you need tire size 26x1.3/4 try to find a schwinn bike shop they should have what you need I had same problem when I tryed to put 26x1.75 tires on my 59 schwinn panther

   RE:RE:MISC:   SCHWINN RIMS AND TIRES posted by Ken on 6/4/2003 at 5:05:39 PM
Actually, Greg had a different problem... there is a difference between "decimal" e.g. 26x1.75 and "fraction" e.g. 26x1 3/8, which is basically the difference between "mountain" and "3-speed" ... and then there's the difference between Schwinn and all others - and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Look it up on Sheldonbrown.com for the full scoop.

   RE:MISC:   SCHWINN RIMS AND TIRES posted by w. borg on 6/4/2003 at 10:19:14 PM
ran into same problem yesterday. Schwinn made their rims so u'd be forced to buy their tires. Thought I had a spare. "Spare" read 37-590. Wouldnt go on rim. Realized original tire read 37-597. Seven mm of difference. U're forced to buy from a dealer selling tires that say something like this on side of tire FOR SCHWINN RIMS. May also say its for SCHWINN AND english racer, that's fine.

   RE:MISC:   SCHWINN RIMS AND TIRES posted by w. borg on 6/4/2003 at 10:19:21 PM
ran into same problem yesterday. Schwinn made their rims so u'd be forced to buy their tires. Thought I had a spare. "Spare" read 37-590. Wouldnt go on rim. Realized original tire read 37-597. Seven mm of difference. U're forced to buy from a dealer selling tires that say something like this on side of tire FOR SCHWINN RIMS. May also say its for SCHWINN AND english racer, that's fine.

   RE:RE:MISC:   SCHWINN RIMS AND TIRES posted by Kip on 6/7/2003 at 3:16:23 PM
Yeah, and they sell those tires right here at oldroads.

FOR SALE:   Big Update posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 6/2/2003 at 7:52:20 PM
We've added more cycles and reduced some prices on other cycles.
Click on "Bicycles For Sale" at the top of this page for pictures and info.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.

AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer posted by: Tammy on 6/2/2003 at 3:49:40 AM
I have acquired a Western Flyer.. I was wondering if anyone knows how to find out the year and all on this bike. I have taken a few pictures of it.. someone can email me and i will send them a picture of it.

BALLOON:   Correct Black Phantom Colors posted by: John Boyd on 6/1/2003 at 11:56:57 PM
Hello everyone,
I am looking for a correct color code or description for a 59 Black Pantom. I am considering restoring it,It is in great mechanical condition but anly marginally cosmetic.If I do it I want it to be correct.Obviously it is black and red, the black I am not as concerned about but, what exactly is the red, I have not seen a restored phantom in person and pics on the internet can be decieving so it is diffucult for me to decide on the shade. Also is the factory pain enamel based? I would imagine so.
Is there a resource availible to match the factory colors?
Or if someone has done the reasearch could you possible share?


   RE:BALLOON:   Correct Black Phantom Colors posted by schwinnderella on 6/2/2003 at 1:16:14 AM
If you want a nice shiny one buy a repro,otherwise leave the one you have as is.

   RE:BALLOON:   Correct Black Phantom Colors posted by SchwinnDog on 6/2/2003 at 2:44:32 PM
The best place to find Schwinn matched paint is Hyper-formance.com. It's hard to leave it original if there's no paint left.
Later, SD

   RE:BALLOON:   Correct Black Phantom Colors posted by John Boyd on 6/4/2003 at 2:44:03 PM
Thanks for the info,
I am still debating whether or not to do it, It is in that middleground where restoring it may not destroy the value of it in its original condition,I have kept it for 5-6 years original this because I was afraid to ruin it..
Well anyhow, thanks for the input!

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   1960 Columbia - serial no posted by: Jennifer on 5/31/2003 at 8:37:21 PM
Hello, after buying this bike last summer, I checked this website [I believe] to determine the age via the serial number. After a long winter's nap, I cannot remember where I found the serial number on the bike! And I can't find anywhere on OldRoads where it tells me where to look. Duh. I know I had the info before, because I looked up the serial number. PLease advise before I go mad! Thanks.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   1960 Columbia - serial no posted by Greg on 6/1/2003 at 4:48:34 PM
My 1950 columbia has S.N. on rear drop out

WANTED:   Need Gangway Pancake horn button posted by: Dave on 5/30/2003 at 2:29:39 PM
I'm looking for a horn button for my Delta Gangway pancake horn. I'm also looking for Schwinn Aerocycle parts, tail light, etc. Please email if you have any parts available, thanks.

BALLOON:   Rusting relic posted by: DannyJoe on 5/30/2003 at 1:55:24 AM
I went on a MTB ride with a small group of rider's over in the next county who do a Thursday nite trail ride. One of the rider's who knew I collected older roller's mentionened that he and his brother noticed a springer front-end bike off the trail in a junk pile, so we headed in that direction. There it was leaning against a tree a 1949 Schwinn frame, springer fork, chaingaurd, front rim, crank seatpost and AS clamp. There was still paint on the frame and fork but the chrome part's were rusted pretty bad and would need rechromed. "I had to have the fork" I said, and swung the part's over my shoulder and walked and sometime's rode the mile out of the wood's to where we entered the forest. That rusting relic felt heavier than the MTB I was riding it out on but I couldn't leave it there in the wood's wasting away. If I didn't take it home today, I would just have to do it on next week's ride.

   RE:BALLOON:   Rusting relic posted by Kim on 5/30/2003 at 1:04:22 PM
Good for you! Sounds like a decent parts mine, and the Schwinn chrome can clean up pretty well.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Rusting relic posted by DannyJoe on 5/31/2003 at 2:15:00 AM
What was the first year for the Phantom? There aren't any visible decal's on it's rusted chaingaurd, but with tank(missing) line's on the black with red frame a friend has told me I may have a Phantom or at least a "phantom" Phantom.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Rusting relic posted by Ken on 6/1/2003 at 3:05:07 AM
'49, looks phantomlike, might be a B607.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Rusting relic posted by DannyJoe on 6/6/2003 at 2:48:02 AM
It's most likely the B607, went back tonight to search thru the junk pile and found it's badly dented front fender and it's perfectly good(surface rust) rear carrier with it's perfect jewel reflector, oh! and I also got a good case of Poison Ivy from the week before. "Ode to suffer for our cause"

FOR SALE:   westeren flyer light posted by: Bob on 5/30/2003 at 1:53:55 AM
I have a fender light that i think is for a westeren flyer new in the box $25.00 plus shipping

WANTED:   pre-war cycle truck basket brackets posted by: Jeff on 5/28/2003 at 9:19:48 PM
Have looked high and low for these to no avail.Any one have any they can part with? Thanx much. Jeff

   RE:WANTED:   pre-war cycle truck basket brackets posted by MNSmith on 5/29/2003 at 6:59:11 AM
Are you handy enough to make your own?? If so, I have some detailed drawings that might be useful to you.