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AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by: Sonny on 8/25/2003 at 8:39:42 PM
I recently moved on to an old farm and found a child's (girl-style) Hiawatha bike - originally cream with blue stripe, serial # 15WG824 1235A measuring 24" from ground to seat and 54" front to back, with 15" wheels. It is complete, but painted over. Would this be worth restoring and does anyone know how old it might be?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by Bobby on 8/26/2003 at 2:38:37 AM
It wouldn't be worth restoring a 24" anything, unless you have a kid or you are short! 24" bikes don't have a demand to collectors since they a so inexpensive, and plentiful!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by doug on 8/26/2003 at 11:40:00 PM
I beg to dissagree I cant say weather 24 inch bikes have less value for sure or not BUT they are certainly not plentifull 20 and 26 inch bikes are very plentifull Girls bikes way more so than boys Reserch how many 24 versus 26 inch bikes you see for sale before making offhand remarks or am I full of it?....I would guess restored its value would be just as much or more than a 26 incher lets hear from the full time experts now If I am wrong I apologize in advance.just a hobby for me but one Ive followed for 40 years.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by Bobby on 8/27/2003 at 2:21:06 AM
I have looked and I find a lot more 24" bikes around than 26" or even 20". So I am not making off hand comments. I can find a 24" any day of the week, at thrift stores, garage sales, and E-bay. Its the 26ers that command the higher prices and are getting hard to find, why because collectors are collecting and restoring them! Maybe you should think before you leap!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by doug on 8/27/2003 at 12:16:04 PM
are you new to this site ? being snotty is not allowed here differing opinions ARE In my part of the world 24 inch bikes are as rare as hens teeth I stand by that.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by Gordon on 8/27/2003 at 12:31:28 PM
In my neck of the woods, 24 inch bikes are not real common. But it seems they are not real popular with the collectors either. I would guess that is because most collectors ride their bikes and not many adults are small enough to ride one. However the ones that are deluxe versions with tanks, racks, etc. still command a pretty good price. Sometimes a collector will try and have matching sets of a model.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha child's bike posted by gary m on 8/27/2003 at 1:37:49 PM
24 in bikes yes are a dime a dozen, but in the newer cheap bikes mostly. i have a few nice antique 24in bikes and i regard them as high orhigher, as 24 in bike goes through the worst years of a kids life and receives the brunt of the abuse by a fast growing rider. i have a prewar Shely Hiawatha, a 50 Murray Meteor, and a 50 Schwinn Spitfire 24in and your not getting them from me dirt cheap. look around objectively and tell me how many pre-60 24in you see anywhere.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   1954 SCHWINN JAGUAR REAR RACK posted by: Victor on 8/25/2003 at 8:18:01 PM
I recently bought a 1954 Schwinn jaguar and I would like to know what type of rear rack does it is supposed to have on.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   1954 SCHWINN JAGUAR REAR RACK posted by gary m on 8/25/2003 at 8:58:58 PM
mine and all the other originals i have seen had none, and either truss rods or a front rack. BUT the standard schwinn steel rack was sold in dealers at that time, so a proper installation would be correct, as with any other schwinn offered accesories available in 1954

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   1954 SCHWINN JAGUAR REAR RACK posted by Bobby on 8/26/2003 at 4:38:52 AM
I would agree as every Jaguar heavy weight I've seen does not have a rack!

BALLOON:   Shelby Serial Number identification posted by: Rog Madden on 8/25/2003 at 3:24:47 PM
I have been trying to ID a Shelby bike I picked up from a friend. I do know it is a "Flying Cloud" because of the headbadge, with blue and red and in nice chape. I'm trying to nail down the year(s) of this Flying Cloud and have not been able to find a serial number chart to do it.
The serial number plate says SHELCO and the following: NO 52 182151 (The NO 52 are in the same type face and the 182151 are stamped on).
Any help in nailing down the year would be appreciated, also, if you know if it should have a tank and rack (the holes are in the front fender for a light).
Blessings, Rog

MISC:   WARNING TO ALL BIKE PEOPLE posted by: Gary Main on 8/25/2003 at 3:49:30 AM
Avoid the Hunteyville Indiana Auction at all costs. John Yoder farm auction. Bunch of criminals. they quick sold my bikes for pennies. Then after they thought i left i waited and guess who was loading my bikes into their truck? JOHN YODER AUCTION EMPLOYEES. and then i asked him to sell me back one of my bikes for $5. he told me he will get $50 from it easy at HIS BIKE SHOP!!. yep shill bid my bikes quick for pennies and not only is going to resell them, he was selling them for profit on the auction premises. i will be contacting the Indiana State Police monday morning. is obvious they were out for personal gain beyond commision, which is a violation of state law. please do not remove this true and awful post. they stole thousands of dollars from me.

   RE:MISC:   WARNING TO ALL BIKE PEOPLE posted by LARRY on 8/25/2003 at 6:07:12 PM

   RE:MISC:   WARNING TO ALL BIKE PEOPLE posted by zorro on 8/26/2003 at 4:24:39 AM
maybe you should have put a reserve price on your stuff if it was worth thousands as you claim, that was negligent on your part. Don't get me wrong what they did was dishonest. Auction houses are noted for there greedy ways. they thrive on peoples misfortunes. just chalk this up as a lesson learned. report them with the better business bearu. and contact other people that they are going to hold a auction for and tell them there wrong doings. good luck with your problem i hope it will have a happy ending

   RE:MISC:   WARNING TO ALL BIKE PEOPLE posted by Chris on 8/28/2003 at 6:35:57 PM
Every once in awhile as I sit here reading posts and mail nasty, terrible, unfortunite, depressing news like this pops up.
Every time I sit here and think about this person or that situation and it's names of people I recognize.
Some unexpected, terrible surprise. Im not in their area but I never would have known and if Gary can get burned than I could too. I sat and thought "AAHH, GARY! NO! OH, DUDE!"
Something is always happening. I try to brace myself for whom we might lose or what will happen next. I called another guy and the number was disconnected and I freaked and planned to go look him up and find out what was going on. Did I lose that pal or not?
I was trying to grasp what it would mean. Turns out, silly me had the wrong area code! Duh! That would do it.

Auction houses (some of them) and estate sellers (some of them) are shifty and clever and know the laws and how to spin the whole game like nobody's business and you really do need to be extra sharp.
Many of the things I discuss with one antique pal (shop owner) of mine is reporting to her what I see and what does it mean and I stand listening for explanations and listening to her warnings and it's all news to me. Common sense and "that gut feeling" that keeps one off of the rocks is good but it is not enough. I need to learn and look for clues as to how they operate and when to pull the ship's wheel hard right and reverse engines. I still don't know( have not yet seen and not yet understood all the nasty tricks that people pull and how it really ticks and the shystery magician type tricks and dispite all my experience I still am not ready to go into business in that world because they would eat me for lunch! It is rough!
I am still not understanding a lot of what I see. I met one fellow who told me volumes of what he has seen in the business and I hope I have not lost his business card!
Keep a little book full of numbers and don't be afraid to ask a pal( fellow antique hunting pal or old bike mentor dude or dude-ess a question and tell what is it you are seeing and ask: "What's up with this?"
Listen to them.
They may just say: "Get outta there, this minute and don't ever go to someting they put on again! Word does travel quickly, there is gossip and past dirt to be run across and seen, and the dealers stick together and know one another and if you look, you will hear about this or that company or person who has done something the others who are trying to keep their names and reputations clean will disapprove of. People will tell you. Gary got burned because he did not know beforehand or was not recognizing what was going down until it was to late. Nobody warned him! If this can happen to Gary, Sheesh! It could happen to us all!
They be out there, waiting for you!
Another thing,
I have seen bike information quests dead end. Not because the person has passed on but because the only person who would know the answer is so slimy and crooked and shifty and hard to locate that I am told:
"Stay away from him, He's no good!" "Besides, you would never be able to find him." Not you.
Yes, I do wish I had not heard many of the tales I have heard. I sit and listen and exclaim: "You gotta be joking!" but he's not laughing and he's serious and what he's saying is upsetting, can't be told, ever, and it does not help me to accomplish what I set out to do. Before you go meet him, you should know what the dude is like, how they act, and what you should say and not say. I get "a briefing" before I go looking up some bike figure for old parts of to take down history information. All I want to do is find the old stuff and learn the bike history.
I looked at a sticker on the bike and asked a simple question: What happened to that place?
The answer?
The father died, the son moved the shop to another city, he went crazy and is in a home somewhere.
I did not expect to hear that but unfortunitly it is not the first time. I hope my quest for answers like: Whatever happened to? Does not have me traveling and interviewing folks in the wards. I draw the line someplace. No! When a business fails it is always a nightmare and this happens. Tales of good fortune and tragedy are to be heard in this.
I asked how did you find that out? He shook his head and would not talk about it.
Folks who love old bikes or whatever and "have gone chasing it" so to speak have heard stories that would curl your hair and things turn up in odd places and pictures where the stuff was stored can be very interesting and the tales amazing and aweful alike.

   RE:RE:MISC:   WARNING TO ALL BIKE PEOPLE posted by Chris on 8/28/2003 at 6:45:30 PM
So many times others have already been there, done the footwork, gone to incredible lengths and it's "already been done"
What bugs me is when they won't talk about what they found out. Folks who have done it all by themselves, alone and without any help sometimes don't like to share everything they found out because they are thinking: Well, where were you in this?
I get asked: (when I get too nosey)
What interest in this do you have?
Telling them: I love this stuff and want to know and maybe write about it is not enough.

MISC:   Schwinn Hornet... posted by: Fred A on 8/25/2003 at 2:27:49 AM
Hi all...

Would anyone know the last year that the Hornet was made? I have a 1959 Deluxe model and I'm curious to see if this was the end of the line. I know the Panther's went into the 60's (I have a '65) as did the Jaguar's, but I don't think that the Hornets did.


   RE:MISC:   Schwinn Hornet... posted by Bobby on 8/26/2003 at 2:53:34 AM
I'm taking this from my Schwinn Book by Willam Love "The preceding listings represents the best-selling popular middleweights sold by Schwinn from 1955 though 1982. Some other boys' middleweights you will find are: Fleet, Flying Star, Heavy-Duti, HORNET, Speedster, Skipper,and a 20" Buddy." I don't know how accurate this is because of some other mis-information in the book, but basically they were produced for a long time!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Schwinn Hornet... posted by Fred A on 8/26/2003 at 3:46:06 AM
Thanks Bob.

The Schwinn books (and catalogs) I have don't show any Hornet's going into the 70's or 80's. I guess the only real way to know would be to have the catalogs from the 50's and 60's to make sure.

BALLOON:   Schwinn Panther 1950 posted by: Skip on 8/24/2003 at 3:56:23 PM
Hi, does anybody know what kind of light goes on the front fender of a Schiwnn Panther ?? Thanks in advance ...

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Panther 1950 posted by Schwinnderella on 8/24/2003 at 6:55:00 PM
Delta Rocket Ray

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Panther 1950 posted by skip on 8/25/2003 at 1:12:54 PM
Thank you !!!!!

AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha posted by: Riley Longman on 8/22/2003 at 3:55:11 AM
Hi, I have gotten a hiawatha bike... it has tail light, headlight, spotlight, horn, it is red and white, I think... it needs to be cleaned up quite a bit, email me or post here if you know anything about a bike like this or have pictures.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha posted by goob on 8/23/2003 at 2:10:30 PM
department store bike sold by Gambles department store. not much of a collectors bike so value is not much. great bike for learning and customizing if that is your thing.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hiawatha posted by Gordon on 8/24/2003 at 3:03:36 PM
I'll bet all the collectors who have spent thousands of dollars on Hiawatha Arrows are dismayed to hear that Hiawathas have no value. Ditto for those who have the Cleveland Welding built Hiawathas with the shockmaster front suspension and 3-bar pattern carried through from the headlight to the back fender.

BALLOON:   marshell and wells zenith girls bike posted by: Lem on 8/21/2003 at 4:27:46 AM
Got an old marshell and wells zenith girls bike curious about what it migh be worth .

BALLOON:   Dixie Flyer REstoration posted by: Dennis on 8/21/2003 at 3:39:09 AM
IWould like to know the color scheme, pin striping,trim etc.used on Dixie Flyers manfactured in the 1930's.A written description would be good but photos would be even better.

   RE:BALLOON:   Dixie Flyer REstoration posted by sam on 8/24/2003 at 1:00:27 AM
I know Daytons were sold under this badge in the 30s.If your bike was built by Huffman it would look like other Dayton/huffmans of same age.---sam

AGE / VALUE:   Huffy Belair posted by: JB on 8/20/2003 at 11:45:10 AM
Hello, Does anyone know anything about the Huffy Belair bikes? I can't seem to find information anywhere. Mine is red and white, women's bike. Someone quoted me possibly 1960... but I'd like to know for sure. Looks like there was a head and tail light because there are holes int he fenders. There is also what looks like a "seat" for a second rider over the back wheel. Thanks!

AGE / VALUE:   tornado, typhoon ( heck I ain't looking back) posted by: Jake on 8/19/2003 at 7:46:46 AM
Odd schwinn, at least to me. Looks like a middleweight but with balloon wheels, fenders.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   tornado, typhoon ( heck I ain't looking back) posted by Bobby on 8/20/2003 at 3:27:33 AM
It is a Wasp, age anywhere form 1954-64. It is a Heavy Weight. Not worth much more then $125.00 though.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   tornado, typhoon ( heck I ain't looking back) posted by Jake on 8/21/2003 at 6:24:03 AM
Thanks for the info.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   schwinn 5-speed beach cruiser posted by: bob on 8/18/2003 at 4:27:19 AM
I'm having difficulty finding any information on my metallic blue, 5-speed men's beach cruiser I bought new, circa 1980. It's in mint condition. Anyone have any information about it?

   Pic of 5-speed Cruiser posted by Tom Findley on 8/18/2003 at 11:45:27 AM

Price was $202.00

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WANTED:   JC Higgins 1949 Christmas Special order bike posted by: Ron Duncan on 8/17/2003 at 2:52:23 PM
Hi I am lookig for the truss rod forks with bracket and the twin-beam bat wing headlight for my 1949 JC Higgins Bike. This bike was a special order from the Sear's Christmas "Wish Book" My bike is elgin blue & black combination with white & red accents and has the following equipment: Horn tank, elgin style skirt guards & rear rack with built-in tail/stop light, full peaked fenders with front & rear reflectors, allstate zig-zag pattern white wall tires - any hel would be greatly appreciated

   RE:WANTED:   JC Higgins 1949 Christmas Special order bike posted by Bobby on 8/20/2003 at 3:20:34 AM
memorylane-classics.com has the batwing headlights in nos shape!! But the are $$$$ check e-bay, their is on right now that is a horn on one is and light on the other.

AGE / VALUE:   sky king posted by: Dave on 8/17/2003 at 3:48:55 AM
this is another project i have its a sky king cool looking bike with stars cut into the sprocket...anyway this bike isnt complete......can anyone help me with a pic and info on how to identify the date it was made???

thanx dave

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sky king posted by Bobby on 8/20/2003 at 3:22:14 AM
can you send me a picture schweetcruisers@yahoo.com