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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   info on bike posted by: Rich on 1/22/2004 at 4:19:55 PM
can anyone give me some info on an old schwinn ladies bike i bought it looks like the orginal paint was blue.
you can remove the kick stand and fenders but not the seat post
also the numbers on the bottom of the petel crank are 190825 and above this it has/ mon/ 21 any ideas thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   info on bike posted by Ken on 1/26/2004 at 7:38:47 PM
well if it's a Schwinn and the kickstand is the bolt-on type it's prewar.

FOR SALE:   WTT 1937 Elgin Ballooner w/ tank/rack/light for Fastback posted by: Matt on 1/20/2004 at 12:51:40 AM
WTT 1937 Elgin Ballooner w/ tank/rack/light for Fastback. Looking to make a trade for a nice original fastback, would prefer a Blue 1971 3 Speed, however, other colors and speeds are open to debate...The Elgin is complete with rear rack, chainguard (hockey stick style with holes design), torrington handlebars and stem and pedals, tank (no horn button hole), decent messinger seat, dropstand and NOS grips, Elgin finned air-cooled hubs, front and rear, delta frontloader light, with GLASS lense intact!!. I'll throw in one NOS blackwall Carlisle Lightning dart and one nearly NOS one. This bike is ready for the big restore. I was going to do it this winter but probably won't have the time. I've got another one without light, tank or dropstand for parts if you're interested. I'd like to find a very nice original fastback, prety much open to all colors except green, yellow or blue in a five speed (already have one). Like I said, I'd really like a very nice blue 71 three speed to be a match to my blue 71 five speed. Let's make a deal. Chicago area a plus!!! Pics available upon request...

   RE:FOR SALE:   WTT 1937 Elgin Ballooner w/ tank/rack/light for Fastback posted by gnarfleuall on 1/26/2004 at 3:13:44 AM
i think your fishing with the wrong bait. Elgins only sell 2 ways dirt cheap or in peices. i wouldnt trade a schwinn fastback for 5 Elgins of any model. Good Luck however, PT Barnum said it right!! I have tried to sell several real nice ones. Avg response was {saw a better one then that last week sell for $50}

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   WTT 1937 Elgin Ballooner w/ tank/rack/light for Fastback posted by dude on 1/28/2004 at 9:41:42 PM
yeah i would like to trade my crappy 1985 BMX no name for a NOS Gray Gost with atom brake
tks email me

   RE:RE:FOR SALE: WTT 1937 Elgin Ballooner w/ tank/rack/light for Fastback posted by Rif on 1/31/2004 at 5:10:52 PM
In What universe would Elgins only be worth the sum of their parts?!?!
If that's the case where you hail from I'm coming to visit that area with some $$$ and my van...!!!
Seriously though, I would take an Elgin over a musclebike any day. I'm not hacking on musclebikes by any means, they are very cool, but I would rather have an adult pre-war (especially an Elgin) that I could ride over a kid's bike that I could only look at.
Just personal preferences I guess...
Take it easy,

BALLOON:   JC HIGGINS BATWING posted by: Bobby on 1/15/2004 at 4:23:15 AM
I am in need of two Batwing headlight lenes, does anyone have any or know who is repoping them? Thanks

   RE:BALLOON:   JC HIGGINS BATWING posted by Jim on 1/16/2004 at 11:07:14 PM
Try Memory Lane Classics. They have them in their 2003 catalog for $4 each. The number is (419)832-3040. They are located in northern Ohio.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   JC HIGGINS BATWING posted by Bobby on 1/17/2004 at 2:16:45 AM
Thanks Jim, I looked at their web site but didn't see them I'll try calling them!

FOR SALE:   Update: more cycles and some price changes. posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 1/14/2004 at 9:11:56 PM
We've posted some more vintage bicycles and reduced the prices on some which have been getting 'stale'.
Have a look by clicking on 'Bicycles for Sale' at the top of this page.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Dating a Schwinn Wheel posted by: marc on 1/14/2004 at 3:13:00 PM
I have a 1973 5 speed schwinn sport collegiate with racing drop bars. My question has to do with the front wheel. Both front and back are stamped schwinn tubular S-6 but while I was cleaning it up I noticed the front hub was stamped differently than the back hub. The front hub has the Schwinn name in script style that they used back in the fifties and such. The rear hub's stamp is of the period of the bike. Is there any way to date the front wheel? Do I have an older wheel that wound up on this bike somewhere along its life or did schwinn continue to use this mark into the 70's?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Dating a Schwinn Wheel posted by Ken on 1/14/2004 at 6:50:32 PM
marc, you may find that your hub says "approved" somewhere on it, which would mean it was made by one of Schwinn's many overseas suppliers, but the Collegiate is at the very bottom of the, ahem, lightweight list and it's a bolt on hub so it may be a Chicago product. Of course it could be a swapout, front wheels get damaged, but Schwinn always used up whatever was in stock. I've seen a Continental from that era that came with one Swiss and one Japanese brake.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Dating a Schwinn Wheel posted by marc on 1/14/2004 at 8:34:46 PM
no, the hub does not say schwinn approved. It just schwinn in the script style just like the same size wheel on my 1951 schwinn traveler. I guess my real question is when did schwinn stop using this mark?

MISC:   Schwinn is now canadian posted by: max on 1/13/2004 at 11:57:44 PM
Schwinn is now canadian, a canadian company Doral bought Schwinn today

   RE:MISC:   Schwinn is now canadian posted by dude on 1/14/2004 at 10:18:03 PM

   RE:RE:MISC:   Schwinn is now canadian posted by Stacey on 1/16/2004 at 10:06:29 PM
Why not? Doral makes a great smoke... maybe they'll do as well with bikes :-)

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by Rif on 1/18/2004 at 8:44:26 PM
I'd pedal a mile for a Camel myself...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by Stacey on 1/20/2004 at 12:11:13 PM
Ok, that explains the thin spot in your back tire! LOL

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by DUDE on 1/26/2004 at 1:00:30 AM
HEY,max was right,schwinn was sold to the canada company[doral] but not the cigarete one.
Well i can breathe easyier tonight,
Thanks max,

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by Stacey on 1/27/2004 at 12:12:06 PM
Actually Max.... it's Dorel that bought Schwinn, a company which makes child safety seats & strollers.

You can read about it here: http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/category/industryarticle.asp?feed=RTR&Date=20040113&ID=3277082

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by yo on 1/29/2004 at 1:24:10 AM
doral not dorol

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by greg on 1/29/2004 at 1:32:31 AM
I wouldent buy a another schwinn if i won the 1000000000 m,illion lotto, they suck,they left chicago and now there in canada!!!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by stacey on 1/29/2004 at 1:37:07 AM
You go boy on that truth,they do suck.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by The REAL Stacey on 1/29/2004 at 12:01:16 PM
At least you could have the balls to use your own name you spineless prick!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn is now canadian posted by Max on 1/29/2004 at 8:12:50 PM
wow Greg
great spelling and why can't you all use your real names

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Columbia posted by: max on 1/13/2004 at 11:12:48 PM
Is it possible that Columbia bikes were made in Canada by CCM in the 30's?
or did CCM have a bike called the Columbia?
because i have a bike looks exactly like a columbia but the name tag says Columbia and under it in smaller it says CCM
any help would be greatly appreciated

BALLOON:   Western Flyer Super posted by: Bobby on 1/13/2004 at 4:12:08 AM
Can anyone tell what size battery goes into the tank on a Early Fifties Western Flyer Super, it looks like a 6Volt, can anyone confirm this?

   RE:BALLOON:   Western Flyer Super posted by Gordon on 1/13/2004 at 3:33:37 PM
I believe that is the same tank as my 1953 Hawthorne that is in the database on this site. If so, it takes a 6 volt lantern battery, the squarish one sold at most hardware stores.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Western Flyer Super posted by Bobby on 1/14/2004 at 4:37:19 AM
Thanks it is a 6Volt

AGE / VALUE:   axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by: Chris on 1/11/2004 at 8:28:09 PM
After close to 20 years I finally get to open up the cupboard and root thru the contents and make a deal and get them home!
Only I don't know what all of what I bought is or what it goes to. Amongst the stash of previously denied goodies I found and now have, a set of huge axle nuts in the shape of a bullet with a large captive washer. My inner bike voice told me it is a Whizzer related part but I really do not know.

I have whined here in the past about parts that have no marking or manufacturer name on them and that applies again.
Anyways the e- bay description is gonna be interesting!
I think these must be hard to find parts as I have never seen them before.

I miss the dumpster diving, the easy way of acquiring the parts and bikes like I used to do in the good old days.
The old codgers that drive me crazy and make me jmump thru flaming hoops to get this or that has gotten to me.

Heck, they used to give me this stuff. Here Chris! Come take this home, How big is the truck? pull your car around back. Stuff in original boxes, free stuff, with leads to others who had goodies to give away or sell so cheaply.
Yes, the good old days.
I was not so worried about not knowing what was what either. I was young and carefree and just was out to get as much of this all as I could hold. The great hauls, the awesome triumphs of old!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by sam on 1/12/2004 at 2:32:42 PM
Acorn nuts,maybe?---cool.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by Rif on 1/13/2004 at 6:41:10 PM
Man i couldn't agree more.
I used to see an old bike leaning against a barn or garrage and ask about it.
" haul it outta here and it's yours!" they would say.
Not now.
I saw a mint 1964 Schwinn midweight girls bike, and asked about it. The woman said I could have it and the others thatt were in the barn too!
The husband comes running out saying I can't do that, "that bike's worth $4,000!"
I very politely explained the market and values to him and he called me a liar and a thief!
"Schwinn is no longer in business, thaqt bike is worth $4,000!!! Get otut of here!"
I left my name and phone number with the wife who had listened to what I had said about value. The next day the bike was nowhere to be seen...
I never went back. I don't have time or the patience to deal with people like that...
I miss the good ol' days of free stuff.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by dude on 1/13/2004 at 11:11:50 PM
yeah old people are crazy, even more the old men,some old bike dealer had 2 NOS bikes from the 40's still in the box he was asking a ridiculous price for them, i tried to explain to him the value he told me to leave,next time i went he had put both bikes in the trash

can you beleive that

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by Rif on 1/14/2004 at 6:15:42 PM
That sounds about right.
There's not much that surprises me anymore these days.
I just don't understand it...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by rd on 1/15/2004 at 12:01:13 AM

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   axle nuts- I don't care what they are to, they are finally mine! posted by Chris on 1/22/2004 at 9:44:51 PM
Yes, but what are they to? What type hub? Who made these? What diameter thread?

Bendix? Comet? Torpedo Boy? Original Schwinn? New Departure? Musselman? Elmira Machine Co?

I do not know!
This is another instance where I scream out" AAAIIIEEEEHHHHHAAAAAA!"

BALLOON:   Hawthorne posted by: Rick W. on 1/10/2004 at 7:20:16 PM
I am restoring a Hawthorne men's bike, the serial number is H86862. Does anyone out there know Model, Year? I think it is a 1941, but am not sure. Any info. on it would be appreciated. Thank-you Rick W.

   RE:BALLOON:   Hawthorne posted by Rick W. on 1/14/2004 at 3:30:30 AM
After some research, the Hawthore in question is a 1936 Sport model. Does anyone out there have a picture of a 1936 Sport model? Any info. on it would be appreciated. Thank-you. Rick W

   RE:BALLOON:   Hawthorne posted by Gordon on 1/14/2004 at 1:38:37 PM
Try going to http://www.nostalgic.net/ and type Hawthorne in the search box.

MISC:   Schwinn Seat (Newspaper Boys?) posted by: Fred A on 1/9/2004 at 12:49:36 AM
I bought my neighbor's 1959 Schwinn Deluxe Hornet that he had as a kid & delivered newspapers with. He said he had gotten it when it was a couple of years old and didn't think that the seat was original though everything else was. The seat in question is a Mesinger, the old large style, that came on earlier Schwinn's except for one thing...it's a thin rubber instead of leather. Almost like a covering, but this is the covering. I was told that this was a "Newspaper Boys Seat" that was sold so that the seat wouldn't stay wet when delivering papers in the rain.
Can anyone out there verify this? I have pics if anyone is interested in seeing it.......

Fred A

   RE:MISC:   Schwinn Seat (Newspaper Boys?) posted by Bobby on 1/9/2004 at 1:10:25 AM
It could be true, many dealers esp. Schwinn would switch seats, handlebars, pedals, etc. if they did not suit the buyer's needs. And since Schwinn never made a model just for paperboys, a dealer could have switched it. I believe the Cycletrucks of the fifties and sixties came with Rubber seats so that you could deliver groceries in the rain.

AGE / VALUE:   1951 schwinn traveler posted by: marc on 1/8/2004 at 5:36:19 AM

It's a sweet bike. All the chrome cleaned up very well, except for the fenders which will need to be rechromed. The paint cleaned up nicely as well, a few scratches but its still shiny and its great for original. Anyone care to put a value on this bike? Also, the generator light set is a melas made in germany, is this original? The seat is a wright's, original? Also, someone asked if the brake levers were schwinn script, is this what would have originally come with this bike? The levers and brakes are all marked made in england but no maker. Could these be replacements? Back to the lights, the rear light is missing its internals, anyone know where I can find replacements? I also need a rear reflector for the fender, what kind of reflector is original?
Here is my technical question. It's a 51 aw sturmey 3 speed hub, the trigger says its for either a 3 or 4 speed hub. My question is, does it matter which gear is assigned to which ever position on the trigger? The shifter has 4 positions, B,L,N,H. If it does matter, which gear should be assigned to which postion? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 schwinn traveler posted by Ken on 1/8/2004 at 3:10:36 PM
Later on, say 1960, the Traveler did come with original equipment generator (or do you say dynamo?) light set. I might have some German lamp parts, but who knows if they would fit... you can email me. I believe the fenders were stainless steel although I have no specs for 51. The brake levers may well be GB- Schwinn used a lot of their stuff. See http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/GB/GB.htm for a few illustrations.
I wasn't able to view your Schwinntalk thread. What's the tire size? Were they already using an odd-sized 26x1-3/8 in 51?
Finally, the Sturmey-Archer doctors on the English Roadster page will be able to fix your gears.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 schwinn traveler posted by marc on 1/8/2004 at 4:05:04 PM

Its a bit long but copy and paste that url, it should work. I do believe the tires are 26 1 3/8 they are goodyear tires, original?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 schwinn traveler posted by Ken on 1/13/2004 at 3:09:51 PM
Thanks for the link. That is in nice shape. I'm sticking with my guess that it had an original generator light set. Here's the '52 catalog page, thanks to Tom Findley, which shows the Traveler with "self-generating electric headlight"
I'm still wondering whether the tires are S6 (ISO 597mm) but I expect they are.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Balloon Tire or middleweight posted by: Shaun Farmer on 1/7/2004 at 3:54:36 PM
I'm pretty new to vintage bicycles, but I have in my posession a bicycle that I'm trying to learn a little bit more about. I can't seem to find out what brand or model of bike it is. All I really know is the serial number that I found. It reads: 24 1027. And also, it says "Westcester, Mass on the front fender support. The tire size is 26x1.75. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Balloon Tire or middleweight posted by Kim on 1/8/2004 at 2:40:08 PM
It is a middleweight.
Columbia bikes were made in Westfield, Mass. Could it say Columbia?

MISC:   raleigh superbe posted by: christine on 1/4/2004 at 5:02:44 PM
we have a vintage raleigh superbe ladies bike in working condition but pretty grotty despretly needs love and care does anyone know what a bike like this is worth (if anything) and how i would find out its exact age.

   RE:MISC:   raleigh superbe posted by Ken on 1/6/2004 at 7:41:56 PM
The English Roadster crowd can help you- post there.

BALLOON:   Wheel size posted by: Rick White on 1/3/2004 at 4:16:37 PM
I have a Hawthorn, the O.D. of the rim is 22.75". What is the wheel size? (24 or 26) Any info. would be great! Rick

   RE:BALLOON:   Wheel size posted by Fred A on 1/4/2004 at 8:07:33 AM
Hi Rick

Look at the tire for the size. It will proably say 26x1.75 or 24x1.75 if the bike is a middleweight. If a balloon bike, make the last numbers 2.125. The first number is the wheel size.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Wheel size posted by Rick White on 1/4/2004 at 2:59:31 PM
I received the bike without tires. All I have is a bare rim. The O.D. of the rim is 22.75", is it a 24" or a 26"? Any info. on the matter would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick

   RE:BALLOON:   Wheel size posted by Gordon on 1/4/2004 at 3:42:37 PM
Should be a 26" tire. The diameter of the rim is 22 3/4 and the diameter of the tire is 26, therefore the difference (3 1/4 divided by 2) is the height of the tire. If it was a 24", the tire height would be only 1 1/4 divided by 2.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Wheel size posted by Ken on 1/6/2004 at 7:40:10 PM
I'd advise you to see http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire_sizing.html
and to measure in millimeters. Note that bead seat diameter is smaller than the OD of the rim.
Of course if you have a common size it won't be hard to check, but the fact is there's at least three different "26 inch" tire sizes and three different "24 inch" tire sizes that are still popping up just when you thought it was safe...