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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   Found bike posted by: Barry on 5/27/2004 at 11:50:41 PM
I found a bike in a trash pile. It is a J.C.Higgins. It has a basket. The forks have 4 stars on them. It looked to be aqua blue in its younger life. The back hub has an oiler cap on the middle of the hub. The wheels were painted white with a red pinstripe. The tires are allstate tires size 26 x2.125. I don't know if this came on the bike, but it has a Comet speedometer and some kind of spacey looking push button electric horn. Serial # is A7814360 and the model # is 505 45410 Can anyone tell me what year this bike is or what it is worth. It is a girls bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found bike posted by Tim Keith on 6/7/2004 at 7:58:21 PM
Barry, I came across your posting on Old Roads & was interested in the bike description. I have a girls 24in. baloon tire bike. The frame is aqua in color with a red chaingard, rack & handlebar grips. It has the white rims with the red pinstripe. Also the oiler cap in the hub. The hub reads Perry England. I believe it to be 1950's. It's a neat looking bike that I saw priced $45.00 in an antique shop so I bought it. I know it's worth much more than that. Maybe I can send a picture. Tim

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Found bike posted by David Triunfol on 6/22/2004 at 6:20:36 AM
Can't tell from your description but if you send me a jpeg image of the bike I should be able to match it up to some printed material on Higgins' bikes I have. I'm restoring a 1948 Higgins right now.

David Triunfol

AGE / VALUE:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by: Max on 5/26/2004 at 9:14:35 PM
hey all you bike buffs
did all the monark silver kings come with a luggage rack in the 1937 model?
i have seen a couple without a rack and mine doesn't have one should i try to get one or should i not bother
and one last question, what kind of polishing tool should i use to polish an aluminium frame to back to it's 1938 glory without damaging it?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by sam on 5/29/2004 at 4:03:35 PM
Max,Some silverkings came very plain.The standard model had only painted steel fenders(blue or red) and chain guard.Chestnut hollow had a run of specal Silverking parts done a few years ago and have some parts in stock but very limited supply1-810-798-3158.
On the question of polishing the frame--I used a sears polish kit& compound that went on a bench grinder.You really need to be carful because the grinder spins very fast.Puts a mirrow finish on the frame.By hand with Moters polish would also work but take a lot longer.--sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by Max on 5/31/2004 at 2:31:41 PM
tks Sam
if anyone have any other trick to polish a aluminium frame
let me know

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by gary m on 5/31/2004 at 9:33:47 PM
scrub it with medium, then fine steel wool. get some heavy cut paint buffing compound, and use around 250 rpm. finish it off with fill n glaze buffing wax. will look like chrome.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by Tom M on 6/1/2004 at 5:27:19 AM
Max Try at Canadian tire stores in your area, get some Never Dull in the automotive area. It works great on Alloy parts. It does not scratch like steel wool. Use steel wool if there is deeper scratches to smooth out the rough stuff. I just bought some brass wool pads that work great on alloy and chrome. They don't take the metal off as easily. I also bought a Silver King a month back. The bike need some work but I rode it within 10 minutes of getting it home. They are nice bikes. Sam is there a color picture of the blue or red fenders. Tom in Winnipeg

AGE / VALUE:   slack in rear drum posted by: kirkpatrick on 5/26/2004 at 12:08:39 PM
I recently disassembled my wifes late 50 style schwinn bike that she got while in grade school. It hadn't been cleaned or lubed since that time it looked like. Well anyway, I started at the front and worked my way back. I cleaned all the bearings and repacked them with litheum wheel bearing grease. I inspected all the parts, and there wasn't any damaged parts. When I got the bike all back together, I took it for a ride last night. It works so much smoother, except, when I pedal it, then coast for a short distance, then when I start to pedal it again, the crank turns a quarter to half a turn before engaging to pedal again. The rear drum assembly only goes together one way, and nothing is too tight. Sooooooooooooo, what is the problem?


   RE:AGE / VALUE: slack in rear drum posted by Rif on 5/27/2004 at 12:37:02 AM
Is it a New Departure hub?
Every N.D. hub I have does that. I just figured it was the way they are...
Does someone else have anything to contribute on this?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: slack in rear drum posted by kirkpatrick on 5/27/2004 at 12:41:15 PM
The rear hub is a Perry Hub, with the drum brake assembly inside, a split brass sleeve, with a left and right cogs that mesh together and some sort of a paul fram assembly inside them, so when the cogs rotate a little the spread the paul rollers and spread the brass sleeve to engage the brake. Something like that! But it is a PERRY REAR AXLE SYSTEM.

AGE / VALUE:   got a 46 Excelsior today posted by: Gary Main on 5/25/2004 at 4:09:05 AM
Male, skip tooth with sweetheart ring. Ser num J86678 dogleg crank, AS on bolts including stem lock, never saw that before. truss rods with top tree supports. cast neck, wide handlebars, real long area for seat clamp to operate on. built on kickstand is flimsy and thin, with end reduced. B6 type twin tube frame. Stamped Brass headbadge with large Gold X above Excelsior in banner, Arnold Schwinn below. Bike has surface rust but not bad, and is extremely straight, and rides as it sets. truss rods and supports straight also. what wheels does this supposed to have? has painted drop center with new departure model D with the thin curved arm on back, looks to be a S2 on front. United States Rubber company rear, and Allstate on front. also got a excellent condition 1960 ladies spitfire. i have drop center rim sets and S2 for the excelsior which ones? thanks Gary.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   got a 46 Excelsior today posted by BillG on 5/25/2004 at 1:12:24 PM
Sweet. Where did you find it?
Not sure what wheels it would have.
I'll bet the motorcyle crowd will be interested in it with it's Excelsior heritage.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   got a 46 Excelsior today posted by gary m on 5/25/2004 at 1:38:42 PM
laying in a heap of scrap metal. cost me $5 have seen 3 yr old huffy in worse shape. tubes painted several times only have surface rust, no pitting anywhere, at least so far. typical poor postwar chrome, but is shining up good. will install non-knurled S2 wheels per MnSmith. will end up my number one bike within the week. supposed to have been inside stored whole life until last year, but thats his story.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   got a 46 Excelsior today posted by goob on 5/26/2004 at 9:47:15 PM
FYI a 1948 sold on e-bay the last few weeks with a tank for $157.00 and a female (bicycle)went for $55.00 with no tank. a female (bike) with a tank that had a $200.00 starting bid did not receive any bids.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   got a 46 Excelsior today posted by gary m on 5/27/2004 at 3:45:29 AM
yep i am all over the ebay prices, honestly though what i saw was hopeful projects, and i have a bicycle. going to tune it up and relace some better rims on it, i have the rims and the time. Original chrome fenders are nice and painted, looks good under what i have removed. wasnt a set of wheels on any i saw sold or for sale worth 2 cents. forks and truss are perfectly straight, and like the rest of my 2 cent fleet, its mine. someday my bikes will be worth more then scrap price i am sure, if not oh well, my grandkids can wheelie and trash em out while i watch and laugh.

AGE / VALUE:   Cleveland Welding Company Bike posted by: Ryan on 5/24/2004 at 7:43:30 PM
I have a Cleveland Welding Co. "Cruiser" type bike.... If I Email a pic can someone tell me what I have... it has a metal name plate on the headset with Cleveland Welding Company on it if that helps.... Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Ryan

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cleveland Welding Company Bike posted by BillG on 5/25/2004 at 1:13:44 PM
Tons of info on Cleveland Welding bikes in the archives on this site.

AGE / VALUE:   ID posted by: Pete on 5/22/2004 at 6:22:20 PM
Neighbor just gave me an old cruiser. He thinks it's a Schwinn or Murray. Chain guard very faint lettering says (Cruiser)cannot make out first word. SN HR560104. Anyone know Yr./ Mod. / Make ? Thanks Pete, Stockton, Ca.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Streamliner posted by: Bob on 5/20/2004 at 7:49:11 PM
I just bought a 56 Schwinn Streamliner. I haven't seen this model before. It is a balloon tire model with tank, rocket ray, deluxe chainguard, and 9 hole rack. Can anyone tell me more about this model? thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Streamliner posted by sam on 5/20/2004 at 11:11:30 PM
I seem to recall that the streamliner was the painted version of the Phamton,or a renamed autocycle.56 would be a late model so maybe by that time several spots below the top grade.But still a very nice not often found balloon model (56) so still a very good find

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Streamliner posted by Dustin on 11/17/2004 at 8:08:11 AM
I think it was a later version of the B-6 the only diff I've seen is the light is a rocket ray instead of the phantom version, any schwinn back then was a higher end bicycle. They were bult to last!

AGE / VALUE:   what do I have posted by: Joe Turner on 5/19/2004 at 5:08:57 PM
I was just given a older schwinn style bike. I have done a little reseach on the net but still have no idea of a manufacture. it's been repainted many time. I found some #'s on the left rear drop out(20 x 14 and 6 other # no alphas. also the rear drop out is curved and pointed not round like most I've seen. It also has a springer seat that from what i've seen in 30's 40's. 2 that twist into the back and 1 thats pinched in the front. If anyone can help in indentifying the manufacture would be greatly appreciated

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   what do I have posted by sam on 5/19/2004 at 8:04:31 PM
Pointy dropouts might point to it being a Murray.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   what do I have posted by John Metz on 5/23/2004 at 1:05:21 PM
If the seat resemmbles the 30s or 40s style it could
be a Mercury which was the original name Murray Ohio
Manufacturing used on their bikes. I'm not sure when the
name change occured but I'm researching it.

WANTED:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by: Max on 5/19/2004 at 2:55:26 PM
I have been looking for a aluminium battery tube for a 1937 Monark Silver King for 2 months
does anyone know where i could find one?

let me know Max

P.S. don't tell me ebay please there is none

   RE:WANTED:   1937 Monark Silver King posted by sam on 5/20/2004 at 2:04:46 AM
You might give Chestnut Hollow a ring and see if they have any.1-810-793-3158

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   What model Schwinn is this? posted by: Mark Bentley on 5/19/2004 at 2:47:38 PM
I recently found a mens Schwinn comfort bike in great condition but I can not read the model on the chain guard. From the glue residue that's left it looks like it says "Pacer". It's tires are 26 x 1-3/8 x 1-1/4. It's black with a tan spring seat and bike rack on back. It's a single speed. It was built in May 1960. Does anyone know what model this is? Thanks.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   What model Schwinn is this? posted by Ken on 5/19/2004 at 4:50:06 PM
probably a Racer. See if you can find it in the catalog
They came in one- and three-speeds with paint or chrome fenders.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   What model Schwinn is this? posted by Mark Bentley on 5/20/2004 at 4:05:09 PM
Thank you very much Ken. It indeed is a Racer from the pictures. I appreciate your help.


AGE / VALUE:   What is this? posted by: John van Sickle on 5/16/2004 at 11:52:27 PM
I just recently found a Roadmaster bike.It has a front
wheel which is 20x2.125-and the rear is 26x2.125
At front it has this huge basket,which is supported by
extremely strong brackets.One part of the support attaches
to a weld nut on each side of the front fork.
It is complete in good shape,just rusted,nevertheless
it appears to be surface rust.Can anyone identify this bike?
Where would the serial # be located.I gently used 0000 steel
wool on the front badge to read "Roadmaster" Hope someone can help...thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is this? posted by Gordon on 5/17/2004 at 3:49:23 PM
Sounds like Cleveland Weldings clone of the Schwinn CyleTruck. They were used to deliver groceries, haul parts in factories and warehouses, etc.

AGE / VALUE:   Skip tooth Columbia pedal thread size? posted by: Ted on 5/16/2004 at 11:19:59 PM
I have a skip tooth Columbia 40's balooner.I need to replace the pedals. Is 1/2 diameter threads standard for that era bike? It seems to be smaller than 1/2 inch...by 1/16 of an inch...like 7/16. Did they ever make a 7/16 thread pedal for this era bike or is the diameter including threads actually 7/16 for a 1/2 inch pedal? Thanks. HELP!!

BALLOON:   just fell in love.... posted by: reid on 5/14/2004 at 12:39:36 AM
I was out and about the other day and passed a store that I have seen many times before and have never payed much attention to, but this time something caught my eye... it was a neat row of about 20 or so old bikes gleaming in the sunlight. I guess normaly the man keeps them in the store... but with the nice weather and such he was sitting outside in a lawn chair next to his fleet.
right away, one of them caught my eye, it was a mens 26' chrome JC Higgins, with a tank that seemed to protrude through the head tube. it has a built-in head lamp and an interesting springer fork with two springs instead of just one. the thing is a beaut. I think it(I have since named him silver) needs a little love, and I think I can provide said love.
I am currious as to what year "silver" was made, and if anyone feels it is worth persuing. I have not had much luck finding any background info on the company, let alone any pictures of a similar bicycle. any information or feedback at all would be greatly appreciated.

thank you,

   RE:BALLOON:   just fell in love.... posted by Joel on 5/17/2004 at 8:56:40 PM
Sounds like a JC Higgins Flightliner. If it says JC Higgins (not Sears) then it was made 1960 or earlier. The Flightliner came out in 58.

   RE:BALLOON:   just fell in love.... posted by Ken on 5/19/2004 at 4:53:26 PM
There are a few of us who really dig Flightliners. If you want to see what happened to mine (new in 63), email me for a picture.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   just fell in love.... posted by Skip Cordes on 6/2/2004 at 9:35:14 PM

I just acquired a flightliner. The only thing that is missing (I think) is the tank. I noticed your post about Sears vs JC Higgins. Where on the bike will I find that? Pictures I've seen show it on the tank. Also I saw a picture of a flightliner that had some type of springer fork attached. Mine does not have that either. Is that a way to date the bike?

Thanks for you assistance.

Skip Cordes

BALLOON:   Whizzer on JC Higgins posted by: phil on 5/13/2004 at 12:04:45 AM
Hi, I have a 40's moterbike with a whizzer motor it is a H motor. # H 121070. i would like to know as much info as known. it has 26x2.125 ballon tires and a thumb trottle and compresion release.also it has the BI Light headlight. thanks, phil

BALLOON:   Henderson posted by: Mike on 5/12/2004 at 7:49:54 PM
Awhile back I posted about an old Schwinn Henderson I have, well the picture of it is now up in the VVVintage picture data base. Look for the black schwinn henderson in the 1930-40 Swchwinn make area.

   RE:BALLOON:   Henderson posted by Cal on 5/13/2004 at 12:50:18 PM
Did Henderson make motorcycles?

   RE:BALLOON:   Henderson posted by Kurt K. on 6/6/2004 at 2:25:09 PM
Congratulations on your find!

I found my own '47 Henderson in a rather similar way, only the barn was an old garage. When I finally aquired it, it was being thrown out in the trash. I am quite surprised at how the Henderson model changed in only 10 years or so.

Here's a couple photos after it's restoration:


I envy your late-30's Henderson - I love the frame and paint scheme in particular.

By the way, I noticed that the rims on mine were never designed to use caliper brakes. Are your rims like this as well?

Take care,