WANTED:   rusty old tank posted by: sadie on 3/21/2005 at 3:15:56 PM
looking for the worst beat up rusty old tank off a balloon tire machine. it is for a project, bicycle related but not directly going on a bicycle, so condition and make r not important thanks peace

   RE:WANTED:   rusty old tank posted by joel on 3/21/2005 at 5:31:28 PM
Just any tank or one to fit a specific frame???

   RE:WANTED:   rusty old tank posted by sadie on 3/21/2005 at 10:14:00 PM
yup just about any old tank will do
it will not be going on a bicycle
let me know what u have

AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by: eric on 3/20/2005 at 7:29:48 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem that a lot of nice elgin bikes are being carved up on ebay over the last few weeks. I'm all for making money, but if a bike is all original it shuld stay that way. It's kind of like killing a rino for its horn. Who are these people?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by Craig on 3/21/2005 at 3:38:18 PM
ditto.....Keep them intact

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by gmain on 3/21/2005 at 11:24:39 PM
why one earth would anyone want to keep one together?
elgins are about the lowest desired bike i have ever seen, and i have had some of them. millstones, white elephants. if anyone finds a way to profit from an elgin, so be it.
heres what ya can do.. next time you see an elgin, pay a lot of money for it, and have everyone else do the same.
THEN there will be a place for them. until then, troll the swap meets and see what a complete elgin is really worth. i bet you take them apart as well.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: ebay elgin killers posted by sam on 3/24/2005 at 8:18:38 AM
Over the years I've developed a high respect for Gary.I think the last bike I parted out for the frame was an Elgin.Built a kuston out of that frame.But to save myself I used the other parts to compleat a 1924 elgin motobike.---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by Marty w on 3/25/2005 at 4:06:10 AM
Elgins are the bottom of the food chain? I'll trade Schwinns all day for an original Elgin Bluebird or Robin!
I hate to see any survior's life end but what can you do. I have a few Elgins in my stable and think that they are great bikes.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by kim on 3/25/2005 at 12:48:33 PM
How about a quick history on Elgin.
If I have it right, they were sold in Sears catalogs and then somehow became JC Higgins? Is that correct?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by kim on 3/25/2005 at 12:50:33 PM
I just looked in the picture database. There are some sweet Elgins! People are parting these out??


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by John M. on 3/26/2005 at 1:27:16 PM
I can tell you people what to do with your elitist attitude
but I'd get banned. I think all old bikes have merit if for
no other reason but history. Elgins were made by several manufactuers including Murray. Their nice. I realize some bikes were better made than others but just because it can't fetch big bucks is no reason to destroy a bike. We'll see the day soon enough when American made iron is gone save for museum pieces or mega buck private collector versions.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   ebay elgin killers posted by eric on 3/27/2005 at 1:58:11 AM
So I went back to ebay. No one wanted the frame or fenders, so I bought them. Can't save the world, but at least one old bike.

AGE / VALUE:   National Swap Meet List available posted by: Peter Naiman on 3/17/2005 at 4:29:07 AM
I've started a new monthly data base for all swap and bike shows that will be posted to three cycling newsgroup or sites on a monthly basis. The group or sites are this area of the Oldroads.com site, the Classic Rendezvous site, and the Boblist. The list has been ongoing for about a month or more to the last two sites, and new to Oldroads. I rely on the readers of this lists to update me on a regular basis as new shows & swaps come up. I'll post updates the first of each month and as time allows through the month. For now the list is complete through the End of April with a few events listed through years end. I have another dozen or so events from May onward to update to the list. Below is the current calendar of events.

Sat. March 19 **
Trail Head Cyclery Bike Swap
8am till it fizzles out
Location: the parking lot out at the corner of Camden and Union Ave., Trail Head Cyclery
14450 Union Ave
San Jose, CA 95124
Tel: 408-369-9666
Email: tech@trailheadcyclery.com

Sat. March 26
El Bike Swap
de Tucson.
Tucson, Arizona
Greg Yares 323-9020 yares@cox.net
4th Avenue
from 8 AM to 1 PM
Free for all vendors & buyers.

Sunday March 27th 8:00 AM - 2:00 PM
17th Annual Seattle Area Old Bike Swap Meet and Show
Kent National Guard Armory,
24410 Military Road., Kent, WA
For information call: Mike McCormack @ 206-783-2850
Or Ron Summer @ 206-364-0922

April 3, 2005
2nd Annual Bicycle Show Bicycles, family, food & fun !!! Our first show was a blast, this year will be better !!! Indoors & Out, Vendors, a 3 foot tall Best of Show Trophy, 13 trophies total. Please view the web pages. Don't miss out on a great time !!!!
Phone: 717-258-3342
Mostly Stingray and Ballon Tyre.

Sun April 2-3
The 13th Annual
Antique & Classic Bicycle Show & Swap
Marietta National Guard Armory
The Bicycle Club of Atlanta
P. O. Box 12341
Atlanta, Georgia 30355
Buck 404-252-3432
8:00 AM ' 4:00 PM
"Bonus Vintage Lightweight Section: Featuring a show
and swap area to highlight our Euroheads

April 3, 2005
The Pedaler Bike Shop - Pedaler Bike Swap
3826 San Pablo Dam Road, El Sobrante, CA
10:00 AM until 4:00 PM
Free Admission
You can rent a 10'x10' space for $50. Smaller spaces are available for people who have less stuff. Contacts: email at: swap@theped.com , fax (510) 222 6168 or call (510) 222-3420 for more information!

April 3, 2005*
Valley Spokesmen Bicycle Swap Meet
Dublin High School, 8151 Village Parkway, Dublin. CA
from 1:00 to 4:00 PM
Admission is free. No charge for sellers or buyers
This swap meet is presented by the Valley Spokesmen Bicycle Club for the benefit of all bicyclists. For further information: Bob Powers: 925-828-5299 This swap meet is presented by the Valley Spokesmen Bicycle Club for the benefit of all bicyclists. For further information: Bob Powers: 925-828-5299

April 14 - 17, 2005
Sea Otter Classic
Huge Trade Show
Monterey, California
Hotline 650-364-7612

April 16th-Sunday
Spring San Diego Velodrome Swap Meet
Gates open 7:30am for drive in sellers
8:00am for walk in sellers
9:00am to 3:00pm for buyers

Sat April 16
Trexlertown Spring Flea Market
Lehigh Valley Velodrome
Trexlertown, Pennsylvania
9 AM - 2 PM
Admission $5.00

Fri & Sat April 15 & 16
Copake Swap Meet & Auction
Copake, New York
Michael Fallon
(518) 329-1142 info@copakeauction.com
Swap Meet - Friday April 15 - Dawn 'till Dusk
$20 Vendor Fee - Free to public
Auction - Sat April 16 10 AM

Sun. April 24
Anne Arbor/Saline Classic Bike Show & Swap
Ann Arbor, Michigan
6-10pm E.S.T. weekdays
Paul Kleppert
Biggest, Oldest, and the Best Antique and Classic
Bicycle Show in the nation." Focus on balloon tired

Sun. April 24
Cupertino Bike Shop - Swap Meet
10493 S. De Anza Blvd, Cupertino California
10:00 AM-4:00 PM
Admission $2.00
South Bay's largest road and mountain bike swap meet.
ROMP (Responsible Organized Mountain Pedalers) and
Cupertino Bike Shop

Sat. May 7 **
The Bent Spoke Swap
1615 University Avenue,
Berkley, CA
Contact Ty: 510-540-0583
Fax: 510-540-0607
Hours unknown !!

May 21 **
Mill Valley Bike Swap
Site: Strawberry Point Elementary School
171 East Strawberry Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Or contact Michael:at: mvbikeswap@yahoo.com

May 28 **
Great Western Bike Ralley May 27-30, 2005.
Concourse D'Elegance on May 28.
Paso Robles, California.
Rod Doty, Director 310-838-0843

Sat. June 25 **
Trips for Kids Bike Swap & Sale
Mill Valley Middle School
425 Sycamore, Mill Valley CA
Admission: $5.00
kids 15 and under free with adult

Sat. June 25th **
Show tim: 9:00AM-3:00PM
The Pana 5th Annual (Illinois) Antique-Classic Bicycle Show & Swap
Kitchell Park, Chautauqua Pavilion
Pana, Illinois 62557
Admission: $5.00
Phone: 217-562-2813 or 217-562-4240
EMail: bikes62557@yahoo.com



MISC:   Ethics in Selling and Trading posted by: John on 3/16/2005 at 4:07:53 PM
Good Morning,

I'm a newbie to this, and have met some really nice guys since last Fall when I went to my first bike collector show.

Just bought a couple of wire racks for my '67 Typhoon from a 'collector' in North Denver I contacted after seeing his stuff on Ebay.

He invited me to his home, I met the wife, daughter; got the tour of the collection (complete with his wiping everything off after he touched it).

Told him specifically what I had: 1967 Typhoon. Boys. Red, etc. Got home, the front rack correct and good fit. The back wire rack (plano, no reflectors) is too small for my bike.

I have written the guy twice now, with no response, offerring to return it and buying another rack that would fit my bike, plus cash. Haven't gotten mad or accused the guy of anything.

What do I do next? Is this game played like everything else? Where, if you don't the most exacting questions, then it's the old buyer beware thing?

I met a guy who chats here regularly the same way. He has been honest, forthright, considerate, and shares his knowledge freely.

I'm not going to compulse over this. Was hoping this hobby wasn't going to be like model trains.

Any thoughts, advice, admonitions?

Best regards,
John Sellers

   RE:MISC:   Ethics in Selling and Trading posted by John M. on 3/17/2005 at 1:33:23 AM
Keep us informed as to how this turns out. Hopefully well. I've always gotten good merchandise when I've purchased items on e-bay etc. Most cyclist are a good lot but in all
walks of life there are bad actors. Maybe there will be a good reason for not hearing from him.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Ethics in Selling and Trading posted by kim on 3/17/2005 at 12:21:12 PM
I've had bad luck buying things on eBay.
First, there are ebay "power sellers" who list things as being Schwinn or Sting-Ray when they are really just cheap repro parts.
Second, I have yet to get a used part that is as nice as the seller claims it is.

If the guy does not offer you a refund or a correct rack, post his name here so the rest of us can be warned about him.


   RE:MISC:   Ethics in Selling and Trading posted by John on 3/17/2005 at 2:33:13 PM
Thank you for the thoughts. I will post this man's name without hesitation.

In my emails, I asked him if I needed other parts, which I would have gladly bought. Good people always redeem these 'enthusiasts' who think only of themselves and 'the deal.'

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Ethics in Selling and Trading posted by Kurt K. on 3/18/2005 at 1:07:02 AM
"Power Seller" is simply a term eBay 'awards' sellers that meet a certain ads-sold-per-month quota. The term has abselutely nothing to do with feedback, or other buyers' experiences with that partiuclar seller.

In fact, most Power Sellers cannot provide the same personalized service that you usually find with the smaller, home-based sellers.

After all, to keep up the near-impossible requirements of being a Power Seller, it leaves hardly a moment for them to do anything but post ads, ship items, and recieve money.

My rule of thumb: Go by the seller's feedback. The extent that the seller takes to note the item's description and payment procedures are also good rules of thumb. Quality over quantity. Also see if the seller is responsive to questions about the item.

Haven't had a bad transaction yet.

Just my two cents.


   RE:MISC:   Ethics in Selling and Trading posted by John on 3/21/2005 at 2:30:30 PM
Good Morning,

A regular to this site helped me identify the rack as made for a 24-inch bike.

Thanks for all the emails. If anyone hears of a collector bike show in the Denver/Boulder, Colorado area anytime, please let me know. I'll take it there.

Best regards,

MISC:   Re-plate bars, then age? Or find better bars? posted by: marc on 3/13/2005 at 2:20:59 AM
I just got an older, late 20's/early 30's motobike style bike today that the paint is close to a 6 or so but the stem and handlebars are very pitted and there is no nickel left (i believe most older 28 inch bikes had nickel plate for bars etc...?). Do i look for replacement parts or try to re-plate and age the job to come close to the paint condition? I have to believe it will be hard to find an older stem and bars in a 6 or 7 condition. What do you think?