FOR SALE:   Pre-1949 Men's Schwinn FOR SALE posted by: CORAZZObikes on 3/28/2005 at 5:51:07 PM
Pre-1949 Schwinn ( serial # 2904622)-men’s bike, 26" tires
New Departure brake, rear luggage rack (should be strengthened), chain guard, it has a skip tooth crank. The badge is missing, and it needs a chain. Will take reasonable offer. In Minneapolis area. If you cannot see bike at the link I can e-mail a photo to you.


BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe? posted by: Pete on 3/27/2005 at 4:56:37 AM
I picked up this bike today has a stamped brass headbadge
says "Velvet Deluxe" in script lettering. No place of manufacture.
Has a Morrow hub, 1" pitch cogs and skip link chain.
Rims are wood core with steel wrap. No tires.
Frame has two top tubes, fork had truss rods (missing), handle bar has a truss, or reinforcing bar connecting both sides.
Seat is missing but post is bent style.
Forgive poor terminology, this old a bike is new ground for me. Not sure if it's a balloon bike or middleweight.
Can't find "Velvet Deluxe" on this site or anywhere else for that matter; does that mean it so rare it's priceless, or no one cares?
Anyone heard of this brand?
Thanks for any info.

   RE:BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe? posted by John M. on 3/27/2005 at 1:44:24 PM
I'd say you have a very old bike and this is the reason you are having difficulty finding info. I'll keep looking as I'm interested in bicycle history. It deffinately is not
middleweight and is likely pre-balloon. I'd guess early 1900s or ealier. There were hundreds if not thousands of small makers who never got beyond regional circulation and much early history is lost so it may be hard so patience will be necessary. Don't give up!

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe? posted by Pete on 3/27/2005 at 2:49:39 PM
I'm near Reading, Pa and the idea of a small local manufacturer crossed my mind.
Is there a website that gets into what makes it a balloon bike vs a middleweight vs pre-balloon? The boundries seem a bit fuzzy.
I've been through a bunch of pictures on this site looking for something similar, no luck yet.
Maybe I'll find something under the brushed on paint if I'm careful. It was red originally. Too old for decals?

   RE:BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe? posted by Gordon on 3/27/2005 at 6:34:01 PM
Collecting and Restoring Antique Bicycles lists 2100 American Brands made prior to 1918, and there is no mention of a Velvet. I guess that could mean it is either foreign or made after 1918. Or, it is possible it is on they didn't discover when publishing the book. I would guess it is post 1918 because of the clad rims. I think they were just wood up through the teens.

   RE:BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe? posted by John M. on 3/28/2005 at 9:53:02 AM
I found an exploded view of a Morrow hub of skip tooth design at has middleweights and balooners separated into catagories. Generally a middleweight uses 26x1.75 tires and the balooners use bigger tires of say 26x2.0 or more.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe? posted by Pete on 3/28/2005 at 11:29:58 AM
Thanks, I found this at work yesterday:
It has a dating chart too.
Hopefully I can find the date code and see if it makes sense,
ie; like we normally assume the hub date is bike's year of manufacture on the S-A equipped bikes.

   RE:BALLOON: Velvet Deluxe? posted by sam on 3/31/2005 at 2:06:24 PM
Wood rims were offered until WW2 on most makes,but after schwinn came out with the balloon tire bike in 1934,most of the ads. only show the balloon bike and list the woodwheel in the fine print.
Also most bikes were sold not by brand(like a schwinn or Columbia etc)but by private stores--so your badge may only be from a hardware store that originaly sold the bike.
sometimes these bikes can be I.D.ed by the frame sprocket---sam

   RE:RE:BALLOON: Velvet Deluxe? posted by Pete on 3/31/2005 at 4:21:40 PM
Did I mention this bike has a lovely coat of house paint on
it? All of it! Everything save the handgrips and chain.
I've stripped the Morrow hub shell and found what appears to be a date code of "I3", or manufactured in Mar of 1939.
No rust just got painted with the rest of bike.
Haven't seen a chainring styled like this one yet and I'm far from expert.
It's still coated in paint so maybe there's a name under there. I'll look.
btw: Is this technically the wrong discussion group for this bike?


   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON: Velvet Deluxe? posted by John M. on 4/2/2005 at 2:01:13 PM
Wrong group? I don'tknow. Could your bike be called a "safety" bike? Anyway who cares. I'm interested in them all and there are very knowledgable people in this group.I'm learning all the time!

BALLOON:   Higgins Colorflow seat tube thingy posted by: John on 3/24/2005 at 4:18:46 PM
So I spent about 20 hours to get off the rusted 'on one with universe' seat post clamp on my '50 Higgins boys colorflow. Then I figured out after actually looking at it that it is welded(?) natural part of frame?

So now it's a bit disfigured. (If you haven't guessed, I'm a newbie.) Do I cut it off and screw it up some more? Leave it alone and just have the frame powder coated? Any thoughts?
It's embarassing to have to admit I reached for the propane and liquid wrench before I took the flashlight out and really looked at the thing.
Given the comparison to this bike and my '67 Typhoon boys, I'd rather have a regards,

   RE:BALLOON:   Higgins Colorflow seat tube thingy posted by Gordon on 3/24/2005 at 7:05:16 PM
If it was me, I'd just straighten it out as best as I could and then paint or powdercoat. Being the same color as the frame it shouldn't be too obvious. Also it should be partially hidden by the seat and of course it would be well hidden if you were sitting on the bike. My 2 cents.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Higgins Colorflow seat tube thingy posted by Joel on 3/25/2005 at 3:08:23 PM
Then again you could find a replacement frame very cheap.

BALLOON:   Bagged another today! posted by: Kurt K. on 3/23/2005 at 1:14:38 AM
Got this Murray today...

Used to be teal/white - the white is completely original, while the red is some rather sloppily-applied home-job, but rather tolerable, at that.

Appears to be a '50s Aeroliner, no decals anywhere though. See below photos. Haven't found a serial chart for Murray, so I don't know the exact year of this 'ol girl.

Enjoy the pics...

Take care,



   RE:BALLOON:   Bagged another today! posted by kim on 3/23/2005 at 12:35:10 PM
Looks great!

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by: Lee on 3/21/2005 at 6:44:21 PM
I have an old Schwinn girls bike. From the 50's. The paint is not orginal, but I think it was blue metallic. The only identifing feture on it is the chain gaurd has a Schwinn round logo on the front area above the chain. Any ideas on what I have here?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by Kurt K. on 3/22/2005 at 12:45:45 AM
Frame tank?
Electro-forged frame?
Drop-center rims or S2s?
Serial number letter prefix?

If you get my point, from the trifle of information you have given, all that can be determined is that the bike you have, is a "1950's Schwinn girl's step-through frame bike".

However, since you mention it to be a girl's bike, I'll take a guess that it's some form of the D37XE Hornet frame design. I would like to stress that I do not mean the Schwinn Hornet MODEL, but the Schwinn frame design designated as the "Hornet." A tad confusing, but made more so as I haven't been able to find a clear answer to what the actual model type would be represented as.

Don't even bother to ask the Schwinn forum about the model types, as you'll be more confused then you are now once those fellows are done preaching...

P.S.: Photo would help.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by JohnM. on 3/27/2005 at 1:21:43 PM
As a member of the Schwinn Forums I'd like to respectfully
take issue with Kurts statement. You'll find some very knowledgable and helpful people on the forums. We have a passion and strong feeling about our hobby so some may consider what we say preachy. I've found most to be friendly and helpful sharing good info and resto methods so
take a look.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by Kurt K. on 3/28/2005 at 12:35:01 PM
I fully agree with you, John - the Schwinn forum IS an exellent resource, and is not devoid of kind, helpful members.

I must say however, that on the subject of pre-'60s Schwinn model terminology, I found myself hopelessly spinning in circles with the explinations I recieved.

I must say that you've sparked my curiosity in the matter, and I would venture to say that I might ask the question again soon.

Take care,


   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by John M. on 4/2/2005 at 2:14:37 PM
Sorry you were confused by the answers! Hopefully someone will clear it up next time. I'm also sorry to say that I can't be much help with pre 60s Schwinns. I'm a student of all things bicycle and learn a lot from readimg posts on various sites. I always enjoy your posts and have learned from you too. Thanks.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn posted by sam on 4/10/2005 at 1:16:20 AM
Girls Models for 1955:
I didn't know models would help ya'll so much---glad I could help!---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn posted by Rod on 4/19/2005 at 5:21:27 PM
If you have the tank mounted on the top tube with the horn buzzer inside, you may have a Starlet. I have a '58 Schwinn Spitfire that has the exact same logo in the front of the chainguard.