WANTED:spaceliner tank posted by: bob cavicchio on 8/31/2005 at 3:18:35 PM
hi, I am converting a womens spaceliner to a mans. have a complete girls bike and mens frame. looking for a mans tank. if you have one or parts( tank shell, light housing, lens, let mee know. thanks

BALLOON:schwinn? serial number posted by: paul on 8/31/2005 at 4:48:24 AM
hi, i've just recently picked up what i thought was a schwinn balloon bike. it has a schwinn chigago headbadge but the serrial number is not on the left dropout. there is a number on the head tube and it is FR557231. does anyone know if this is a schwinn or what it is and how old?

   RE:BALLOON:schwinn? serial number posted by rod on 8/31/2005 at 7:47:03 PM
You do indeed have a genuine Schwinn and it was made just 25 years ago in time for the summer of June 1980; it could be a Cruiser model if it has a coaster brake, or front & rear brakes w/levers along w/5-speed gears. Was the chainguard intact?

   RE:BALLOON:schwinn? serial number posted by paul on 9/1/2005 at 1:56:09 AM
thanks for the reply, i thought it was a schwinn. the chainguard is intact. i'm assuming that it was a coaster brake bike because it has a small plate welded on what i guessed was the fender mount. this is where the brakes are currently mounted. was schwinn still making bikes in chicago in 1980?


   RE:BALLOON:schwinn? serial number posted by rod on 9/13/2005 at 6:34:47 PM
In July 1980, my family reunion took place in Chicago and I clearly remember staying with relatives residing directly down the street on East Kilgore; by the way, Schwinn shut down in '82 or '83.

AGE / VALUE:International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by: Eric on 8/27/2005 at 3:16:30 PM
I have two bikes with Columbia head badges, but the serial numbers are not where they are "supposed" to be. I have searched all over (even found posts here about one of the models, but no information). Just trying to figure out years, and maybe a link to a source so I can see if they have the "correct" components for restoration.

The only stamped numbers on the frames are on the head tubes.

First bike is a Columbia "Clipper". HB says "Clipper by Columbia". A five-character code is stamped on right side of HT; there are no spaces between the characters. The first character is the capital letter "O" or, possibly a "D". The remaining characters are the numbers 5524. The following code is stamped on the left side of the head tube: 5 C15 1252. I am attaching a pic of this bike.

Second does not have a model name on the frame, but on the chainguard it says "Roadster" (not the original Columbia Roadster, I'm sure!). It has a stamp only on the head tube. The code is "9 208 3349".

I am attaching a pic of the "Clipper."

Thanks for any help you can provide.



   RE:AGE / VALUE: International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by Eric on 8/27/2005 at 4:28:27 PM
Oopsie. There is a snafu in the URL for the photo. Correct URL is:


   RE:AGE / VALUE: International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by Eric on 8/27/2005 at 8:18:18 PM
OK. One more try. To view the photo, replace the apostrophe before "evmartin" in the URL with a tilde.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by rod on 8/29/2005 at 3:18:16 PM
If you're interested in serial # info on the Columbias you have, you can click to the serial # charts on this site. Good luck!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:���International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by Eric on 8/29/2005 at 3:33:43 PM
Thanks, Rod. I have examined these charts on this website and others many times. But as I indicated in my original post, none of the numbers stamped on these bikes follow the form, nor are they in the expected location (left rear dropout), of Columbia serial numbers. Yet these bikes have genuine Columbia headbadges.

I wrote the silly subject line and included a photo hoping to attract more than "look at the chart." Would someone just look at the photo and tell me what this bike looks like? (pre-war, post-war, 70s Taiwanese, any clue at all!).


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by Steve on 8/29/2005 at 6:10:33 PM
Eric do you have a pic of the headbadge? There were Columbia Clippers actually produced in the '80s (that's 1980. I have never seen one in person but there was one recently on eBay. The seat on your bike looks older, but maybe it was just abused. Also the fork (from what I can see) looks newer in style.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by Eric on 8/30/2005 at 12:16:35 AM

Thanks for your reply! I'll post a link to a photo of the headbadge as soon as I can, but 1980s makes more sense for this bike. It has a Shimano coaster brake and a Japanese "Win" stem, both of which must be 60s at the earliest.

It's just a little weird still. Here's why:

The seat, with its front spring, appears to be really old. On the bottom it says "Persons Product" ... I've looked for more info about older Persons saddles, but haven't found anything which would help me date it.

Also, the headbadge on this bike (and the other one to which I referred in my original post) is not one of metal riveted to the head tube, but of silvered plastic (in the case of the Clipper) and just a paper sticker in the case of the other bike.

The headbadges and the "missing" serial numbers have led me to suspect all along that I did not have anything really old, but the difficulty of getting access to information has made this hard to confirm.

If the headbadge is a sticker, does that definitely rule out the bikes being pre-1972?

And anybody have any expertise on the older Persons saddles?


P.S. At any rate, I've got another mystery frame I'll post a pic of shortly which I /do/ think is something you'all will be interested in.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs) posted by David on 8/30/2005 at 7:28:18 PM
Ask Charlie Persons at Persons-Majestic Co www.permaco.com
His company had something to do with that saddle.

AGE / VALUE:Schwinn paint posted by: Joe on 8/25/2005 at 4:09:52 PM
Is there any info on the Paints,(brands,colors)Schwinn used?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn paint posted by rod on 8/25/2005 at 8:46:58 PM
The only paint info I have are some of the names Schwinn gave their colors: Holiday Rose(Pink), Cloud White, Radiant Coppertone, Flamboyant Lime, Flamboyant Red, Sky Blue, Campus Green, Kool Orange, Kool Lemon, Silver Mist, Sunset Orange, Emerald Green, Cardinal Red, and Golden Yellow.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn paint posted by John Metz on 8/28/2005 at 12:34:37 PM
I have seen cans of Schwinn paint for sale on e-bay so you
might want to check there.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:Can someone please help with serial code? posted by: chester on 8/25/2005 at 12:35:04 AM
I bought a J.C. Higgins flightliner and was wondering if someone can break down the serial code for me? Or at least tell me when it was built?

502 46001. 509141

Thank you in advance for anyone that response with at least the year it was built. I really appriciate.
Cheers. Chester

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: Can someone please help with serial code? posted by sam on 8/26/2005 at 10:31:03 PM
The 502 is a Sears number for Murray of Ohio.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: Can someone please help with serial code? posted by chester on 8/28/2005 at 12:20:28 AM
Anyone know the year???

Thank you.


   RE:RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT: Can someone please help with serial code? posted by John Metz on 8/28/2005 at 12:39:54 PM
Sorry to say there are no serial numbers available for Murray bikes. I even contacted the company in my search to
no avail.