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Archived: Reproductions and Motorized Bicycles

AGE / VALUE: Leaking oil? Proof of betrayel posted by: Chris on 4/14/2003 at 7:21:09 PM
Spring is here and the seasons right for installing a new blade and replacing the spark plug on the riding mower!
Took a good look at the mower engine. It seems there is all this oil covered with dirt all caked up everywhere. It looks like the engine has been leaking oil out of the seals!
I said: "Oh Wow!" Well,I called and then visited and the fellow said "Of course!" I went on about the model numbers and serial numbers and questioned will it fit under the cowling and hood and all that. Length of drive shafts? and all that. He grinned and said I was making a smart move.

Boy am I excited! The old junk engine will soom be gone,the positive proof that the companies days are truely numbered will be cleaned off.
We won't even have to drill or modify! His eyes narrowed, Oh, No! It drops right in! Were making a switch here and to kick it off right It'll have just a little more power and it's quieter too.
It's a name I'm already familiar with. I did this with the Snapper already! That 5 speed self propelled unit and the snapper drawer catcher powered by a little wonder. Nowe it's time for larger wonders.
Lift back the cover and look. Because it now says:
I can assure you that it will not ever leak oil. It will start every time. It will swish thru tall wet grass and not give me any problem. Finally getting ahold of the books that really instruct one how yto change drive belts was wonderful. I installed them myself and saved a bundle and I was happy to do this myself.It was an empowering experience.
Because of that blown seal,because of that oil everywhere, because of the stupidity after over 100 years experience in this industry.I am delighted and happy to fit a better product and to that I will be loyal.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Leaking oil? Proof of betrayl posted by Chris on 4/15/2003 at 12:29:35 AM
So, I am not doing what they expected me to do. I will not pay to have it repaired, I certainly will not EVER replace it with the same model nor EVER with anything related to that company. I'm not going to tear it apart and replace a seal because the other one is better still. It's a outdated product made to create income for the shops. The waiting 3 weeks because everybody has theirs in for some problem, the expense, the way the counter folks act,the very fact that this is a loser product alone.Lastly because of the very name on the product itself. I'm able to keep the original throttle control as the two work together well. Why? It's quaint! I traded in the older 1960's model that was neat. The transmission was a leaver that you could glide between first and sixth gear oh so gradually. The motor had a pull rope on it if the battery went dead on you. You could tip the whole thing up onto a service bar and change a blade and clean out the deck. The styling. All this company has left is styling and few are gonna stay with it for that alone. I have a mixed sentimental attachment to this company and this tractor. The last model had no rope so you are up a tree, the transmission is re- done and it stupid and awkward and a pain to use. The tipping it up on a service bar had to go because it enabled the user to service blades easier and they wanted you in a shop for that paying transport and charges and yes because somebody may have got hurt and it was a liability perhaps too. My tractor and the company went backwards on me with their products. Not forward to better things that thrill me to own and use. Somebody else has been doing that lately. HONDA. I picked up another of the old style tractors at a garage sale. It's mint, complete (and for now) with the original motor. The one with the lever transmission, the service bar and the recoil rope on the motor. I grew up watching the men and their truck with that neat thing called a lift gate. The shops, the belts on the wall, the many parts that failed and were replaced. The smells of the shops. We got it back and soon discovered that the belts slipped and soon realized that the good men with their neat truck had charged us good and failed to do the job right. It went back and forth and not until I jumped ship to another shop was it fixed right.Now I do that myself too. I remember a old good friend of mine that removed large hedges. He had a tow truck triver wrap a chain around it. They stood there and pulled the hydralic leaver. He did it himself from there. He grinned at me and said: "The old man is no fool!" I know what he'd say about this leaking oil.
Paint comming off in strips also, as they cheapened/meddled with the rustproofing/painting process. I'll redo that as I love this original color!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Leaking oil? Proof of betrayl posted by Chris on 4/15/2003 at 12:42:46 AM
Why no whole new machine? They are more expensive than ever. Thousands. Go price commercial mowers. Thousands.
It's a racket and it's expected that the customer will pay a premium price because after all, the customer will be making money off of it so the makers want more for it when it is new. That is plain, bold faced greed. They lock you in as best as they can. The companies pay it but they learn how to maintain everything themselves. They have to to have money to expand the business and to survive competition. It gets ugly. Planned obsolescence cuts across many industries and firms but with the same devastating consequences. Unhappy customers searching for a way to leave it or to change it. I told them years ago: "Gentlemen, You've lost an entire generation! Mine. But my grandfather loved and was loyal to you. I cannot be.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Don't sell service, sell something that doesn't need it! posted by Chris on 4/15/2003 at 5:48:21 PM
I looked up last night at a comercial with a company selling lawn equipment.More tractors. They offered and mentioned and showed customer service. The showed us a stupid little trailer with the logo and name of the maker.
So when it breaks down you call them out and they haul it in for you. Sure lets have the company strong arm this matter for us! Lets pay even more $$ to have it ride in a chariot to the repair shop! The factory authorized repair shop no less? Geez! Is this trailer for hauling it in alone or does it contain all the tools and technicians to fix it there at your driveway for you on the spot? Or does their definition of "service" still mean that I wait three weeks to get it back? No mention of a free loaner either.
This "service" as they say really removes your choice of where and to whom you take it. Don't be fooled! You'll pay a lot for their little trailer to visit you. They probably pressure you into signing an expensive contract when you buy it right off in in the beginning. They make and inferior product and let you know they are going to retain control over it. Besides your money can be earning THEM interest instead of YOU in the interm before it breaks down! Hey I understand it all now! All about using a customer for every dime! I thought: "Forget that!" WHO MAKES THE MOTOR AND TRANSMISSION? is the real issue. Colors and logo's are not important. They are still selling service and making sure you are forced to buy that service. They are not making products that don't need service or products that are able to be services easily by the owner. It's the same outdated concept that doomed Philco, R.C.A. Zenith and other big names I have already forgotten ( Zenith is the sole survivor, and in name alone!)
I saw this feature on the loss of the American T.V. industry. While they refused to change and did things the same- old- way and focused on service, the Japaneese made T.V.'s that didn't need it. J.V.C. Matshusta, Sony.Samsung (Korean) These are the names we know today! Not Philco and the rest. An American company invented the V.C.R.! Did you know that? Akio Morita took a small tape recorder company and made Sony into a modern day powerhouse! How? Quality products you didn't need some guy in goofy overalls in your living room to constantly fix.
Nobody repairs a T.V. today! Same with lawn mower engines. I see the Honda Marine Ads. It's comforting, wonderful! That beloved name! Out on the lake with anything else? Shudder! Out on water? Without Honda Marine? When I have a boat, that too will be powered by a HONDA!
Don't sell service sell something that does not need it. The definition of service should always be. Service: Doing the jo as it ought to be done.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Don't sell service, sell something that doesn't need it! posted by Chris on 5/4/2003 at 8:37:34 PM
Take a look at the motors on commercial equipment and especially at the motors on rental equipment. I walked thru the yard and everything was Honda, Honda, Honda.
It started wonderfully on the first pull.
Hot, cold, start and re-start. Every time, on the first pull and I didn't have to pull that hard on the rope as compared to the Briggs motors either. No awful wrist spraining catching and pull back snapping. Ever pull the rope started on a Briggs mower engine and you'll understand what I referr to. I was 16 and shook my wrist and cursed it back then. I never was hurt mind you but the Hondas are free of this experience. SMOOTH BABY, SMOOTH! I am seeing Japanese generators in boxes in a shop that historically has shunned motorized equipment that was not Briggs and/or Techumseh. Still, no Honda mowers or motors. Have to field trip across 4 towns over for that stuff where their spirit is very different. I have never seen those generators there before, so even this place is changing with the times. What does bother me quite a bit dispite the attitude you read is. Is that Briggs and Techumseh are a part of the fabric of the country that I love to the death. This is an U.S. company employing our people in our land. The history goes way back and it is facinating to study and read about. For all the joy I take in replacing it/ dumping it when it fails and betrays. For all the simple hapiness there is when the Honda or Mitsubishi works as it should. This is (they are) a product(s) made in a foreign land(s) with profits going out of the country. In time, unless they change and change radically, there will be no Briggs and Techumseh. In the future, it will be only a name on a B grade Honda motor except that Honda does not offer anything B grade. Another huge dynasty with historic roots winding down into the good soil of our land will cease to exist. What grew and flowered turned out to ugly, unreliable, and troublesome and no longer was hardy enough to stand up to and overcome competition in a changed and global marketplace. It did not change, products did not improve and new inovation did not appear and save the companmy from itself. We have been witness to a thing that we could not change and the people that read customers letters did not take the warning signs serriously until it was too late. I remember that feeling in my wrist, the leaking oil, the trouble starting, the expensive repair, the waiting, the letdown and heartbreak of a thing we make here no longer being a source of pride but now is a hassle. Most people only have to learn once and then the next time a product is shopped for the customer recalls this or that and they look for a way to excape that experience from happening again. I asked the Honda fellow:Will it do that? He said: "No."
I believe that one day it will just stop after enough market share is lost, after enough employees are let go, after the whole company moves away and takes the machinery that makes the things with them. The empire will be folded up, factories and offices will be closed, cleaned up and razed. It'll be a great excuse to finally break the back of a union if there still is one. Ex-employees will be out searching for re-training in a bad economy. Nothing left to do except face the expensive task of cleaning up a likely highly polluted brownfield site. The business of small engine repair will be forever changed and way, simplified. It'll be almost like a t.v. that does not need to be repaired. Not quite like that as the nature is different but it'll be changed none the less. Honda power equipment is now part of our country and our experiences in using it. Yet it is not really ours not like Briggs and Techumseh have been. Years ago but not that long ago, there used to be repair shops in every gas station. Two or three bays for repairing and maintaining cars. Then all over it turned different and the equipment was moved and hoists removed and people let go and all of a sudden that space was for selling soda pop, candy, chips, and bottled water. The many oil companies have already stopped selling service. They sell consumables. A gas station is now really a foodmart that also happens to sell gasoline. This concept will be taken further and it'll change forever another way that we do something else.
The trend in washing machines is towards front loaders,instead of top loader styles. Less parts to break, the clothes come out cleaner, you save water, no tall plastic agitator to twist and ruin clothes and no interlocking plastic/rubber gears to fail on you. Instead a stainless steel drum that just spins. They are getting the message of selling something that will not need servicing. Or at least not as often.

   Mrs. Ferguson didn't want to hear that I couldn't cut the grass posted by Chris on 5/15/2003 at 8:13:39 PM
Another Techumseh at the kerb, another new Honda engine in place . Run it up the ramp, go off and make money with it.
No shuddering strupidity in the face of tall wet lawn. Tools are for removal and reinstallation not rebuilding.

   RE:Mrs. Ferguson didn't want to hear that I couldn't cut the grass posted by Chris on 5/15/2003 at 8:16:44 PM
Enough already! Back to the bikes!
I have new, yet undone ideas and I've been digging into awesome things.

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Wheeeeeee! posted by: edgarecks on 4/14/2003 at 5:13:09 PM
Just finished my new "motobike". Put an MX5 engine on a salvaged Schwinn frame. Took it out for test rides yesterday with one liter of gas, quit at just short of 50 miles with some petrol left (this figures to be over 200 mpg, would be more if I felt like pedaling more, engine isn't even broken in yet!) Wish I could go with you, Rif!!

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Wheeeeeee! posted by Larry Wlos on 4/16/2003 at 3:04:42 PM
I installed a MX5 on a 1950 Schwinn DX model, 24 in. size.It runs great. It took a little modifing to fit it in the small frame. I completely restored the bike, all new chrome,stainless spokes, brilliant red and ivory paint. I also chromed the drive cover on left side,and put a half size Whizzer tank on it.Its a real beauty for my collection.

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Wheeeeeee! posted by Rif Addams on 4/28/2003 at 11:46:35 PM
So what's stopping you from coming along?

   RE:RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES: Wheeeeeee! posted by edgarecks on 4/30/2003 at 5:21:42 PM
Same thing that gets in the way for most people, I guess, having to go to some damnable job every day. Am buying lottery tickets, though............

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   moarch super twin posted by: terry garbig on 4/12/2003 at 11:57:23 AM
i am in need of 1 or 2 spark plugs for my monarch super twin they are ;champion TJ-8J--a rather unique plug with a flat top --only a tiny wire sticks out the top that goes into a combination spark plug wire/cap that fits snugly over the ceramic of the spark plug.any suggestions,or advice or know of someone who might have these old plugs?

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   moarch super twin posted by Larry Wlos on 4/16/2003 at 2:50:56 PM
Terry my book says a AC 45M plug was original equiptment, but I can't find any right now, if anyone knows of any please contact me. Right now I have a AC 45LM plug in my engine, which is a lawnmower plug.I'm composing a list of Monark supertwin owners, would you care to get on list?This will be useful for any parts search or information.

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   information wanted posted by: Gerry on 4/11/2003 at 9:47:00 PM
bought 26"lightweight, make unknown. appears to have aftermarket gas engine. Brand is Bumble-Bike. 34cc engine by TML, Ontario, Canada. Bike has rotted tires and rusty but the engine started on 3rd pull. are they any good and what is the value? Thanks for any help.

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   SCORCHERS July 4 NYC Cruise posted by: JimW. on 4/10/2003 at 9:38:50 PM
The NYC chapter of SCORCHERS Bicycle Mob is considering a July 4 cruise down Broadway from Central Park, starting at noon to welcome Rif Addams to town, at the conclusion of the Across America On A Motor Bicycle Centennial Run. I'm tired of waiting for a decision to be made about my proposal for an official July 4 bike parade. We don't need those bureaucrats and cycle snobs to have a ride. Anyone interested, in the NYC area or anywhere else, E-mail me directly for more information, and to sign up. Jim Wilson jwilson20@nyc.rr.com

MISC:   Bicycle swap meet posted by: Larry Wlos on 4/2/2003 at 4:51:26 PM
Chicago bicycle swap meet, April 11, 12. 10 to 4pm.901 W. Roosevelt Rd. Chicago. More info xxxracing.org

   RE:MISC:   Bicycle swap meet posted by Mike Schneider on 4/9/2003 at 9:39:58 PM

Thnaks for the information- Wish we had these in the south or Wish Mike knew about them.

You got your new "Roller" yet for the Bike Bug Engine?

- Hope you have the WIND in your face soon.



   RE:RE:MISC:   Bicycle swap meet posted by sam on 4/10/2003 at 2:13:44 PM
Mike there was a bike swap meet in Merrita Ga and Houston Tx on march 29th.There will be one in Dallas in Oct and one is planned for Austin sometime in the spring.Abita Springs La. in not a swap meet but should be some bikes for sale and it's a lot of fun---sam

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Bicycle swap meet posted by Mike on 4/10/2003 at 4:08:24 PM
Sam The Man:

Thanks for the Information. I am not in touch - WOW one in Houston - I live there and didn't know it.

Anymore information on Austin - That would be great. Staying in Texas helps since we have to drive almost the distance of 4 other states just to get out.

You can always tell a TEXAN but you can't tell him much.



   RE:RE:MISC:   Bicycle swap meet posted by Larry Wlos on 4/16/2003 at 3:11:15 PM
Mike the roller, I have plans to remove the engine off of the trike and put it on a 24 inch Schwinn DX. THANKS

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Ebay Mercury Motorized Bike posted by: Tom on 3/30/2003 at 2:25:49 AM
I saw this bike on ebay and thought you guys may want to see it.

REPRODUCTIONS:   2000 Schwinn Panther posted by: Zach on 3/30/2003 at 2:07:49 AM
I have a 2000 Schwinn Panther that has never left the showroom floor and is in mint condition. I'm strapped for cash and this is the first thing to go. Where would the best outlet be to sell the thing?

WANTED:   Information Links posted by: John on 3/29/2003 at 9:11:51 PM
Looking for information on new motor bicycles. Had Condor from China, however, not available in our area in 26 inch model. Thanks. John
Pleace contact me at rvkids2@hotmail.com

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Chicken-Powered Bike On eBay posted by: JimW. on 3/26/2003 at 6:12:20 PM
For those with Orline/Chicken Power engine kits curious about installation, there is a very nice example on eBay now. Decent photos of one on a Rollfast 3-speed bike.

MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Cry for help posted by: Rif Addams on 3/22/2003 at 6:56:49 PM
Hi All,
As you may or may not know, I am involved in the George A. Wyman Centennial Recreation of 2003.
I am to be 'the man in the saddle' (or as Jim W. likes to call me 'the intrepid motonaut'); in which I will be riding a near replica of a 1903 California brand Motor Bicycle from San Francisco to New york City. We are recreating the first crossing of the United States (Coast to Coast) by motor vehicle. All the details can be seen at:
Our replica is nearly ready, but we have come upon a major roadblock. We have the wrong length spokes. Our spokes are just slightly too long. We are having a problem finding the proper length spokes in the proper diameter.
This wouldn't be an issue if we had a spoke thread roller, as we could roll the threads a bit longer then cut or grind the spokes back to the length we need.

Here are the spec.s for the wheels and spokes:
We are using 28" X 1 1/2" rims with a 1949 New Departure Model D rear brake hub.
Our current spokes are 3mm diameter (.105") and 305 mm length.
We need, for the rear hub, a spoke length of 299/300mm and for the front a spoke length of 302mm,.
This would be in a 3 cross pattern. We ran the numbers for a 4 cross pattern as well and that won't work either.

Basically what I am asking of you is this:
Preferably- if someone has a thread rolling tool that we could borrow just for long enough to do the minor adjustments neccessary to these spokes could we pretty please make arrangements for the use of the tool just long enough to correct this problem?
if that isn't a possibility- if you know of a supplier where we can get these in short order please let us know.
Thank you for your time,
Rif Addams

   RE:MOTORIZED BICYCLES:   Cry for help posted by john martin on 3/25/2003 at 11:15:59 PM
Long trip. What route will you be taking? If it is on the "old white pole road" (old U. S. 6 throught Iowa). Let me know - I will have some good info. For you.

MISC:   Bike Show/Swap Meet (inc MotorBikes/Scooters) posted by: Eldon Hammond on 3/21/2003 at 4:17:47 AM
Antique/Classic Bike Show & Swap Meet. Saturday May 31, 2003
Pana, IL 62557
see site listed for complete details. http://www.geocities.com/bikes62557

WANTED:   Whizzer posted by: Larry Wlos on 3/21/2003 at 12:25:03 AM
I am looking for a reproduction Whizzer for decent price

   RE:WANTED:   Whizzer posted by John Herron on 7/20/2003 at 2:21:22 PM
Have three brand new ones still in original boxes with all paperwork, shop manuals etc. Want $1150, each.

John Indianapolis

WANTED:   Marman motorbike posted by: Larry Wlos on 3/20/2003 at 4:18:51 PM
Does any one have a complete Marman twin for sale?

WANTED:   K&S Bike Machine motor posted by: Larry Wlos on 3/20/2003 at 4:09:46 PM
Need parts or motor for parts for my K&S bike machine motor also looking for manual or brochure for same.

   RE:WANTED:   K&S Bike Machine motor posted by Brett on 6/1/2005 at 12:10:32 AM
I just picked on up at a yard sale and i was wondering how much they could go for or how much you would be willing to pay me for it.

   RE:WANTED:   K&S Bike Machine motor posted by Brett on 6/1/2005 at 12:11:07 AM
I just picked on up at a yard sale and i was wondering how much they could go for or how much you would be willing to pay me for it.