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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   News Flash: Raleigh DL-1s in "Beatles Anthology" book. posted by: Kevin C. on 12/24/2000 at 5:24:24 AM
I obviously have been collecting English bikes WAY too long ............ My wife bought the $60 "Beatles Anthology" book for me for Christmas, and I almost jumped out of the chair when I spotted a lovely DL-1 pictured on the dustjacket front, leaning against a wall beneath a billboard plastered with Beatles posters. On Page 171, there's a shot of the Fab Four in the Bahamas, standing with DL-1s fully equipped with full chaincases, tool bags, rod brakes, bells, lights and nice Brooks saddles. On Page 221, there's a photo of a street scene in the Philippines, with a idecar attached to an interesting old roadster. Oh, by the way, the stuff about the Beatles is great, too.

   I thought I was the only dual hobbiest (Beatles and Bikes) posted by Ray on 12/29/2000 at 6:52:29 AM
I received the very same book on the same day and saw the same thing you saw. My first thought is what happened to these bikes. I have been an avid phonograph record collector for over 40 years and have an extensive collection of Beatles records and memoribilia. Some where along the line I slowly migrated into bicycle collecting and now I have too much of both. Great to hear I am not the only one out there. When asked what my hobby is today I tell everyone that I am a recovering vinyl collector with strong tendencies toward two wheeled objects. I wonder if there is a psycological reason for my gravitation toward round spinning objects. Oh well, who cares. Enjoy the bikes and book.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   News Flash: Raleigh DL-1s in posted by Mark on 1/1/2001 at 1:20:18 PM
You should rent the movie "Help". I'll bet there are a few scenes shot in the islands that you would really like. They are shown riding those self same Raleighs. I get all dreamy every time I see it!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Martin's Bicycle Page posted by: MartinH on 12/21/2000 at 11:51:19 AM
Greetings! I recently updated and retooled my web site that has been out of commission for some time. There are plenty of roadsters in there - my favorite. Check it out when you have a chance. Thanks and Happy Holidays!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Martin's Bicycle Page posted by Paul M. on 12/23/2000 at 8:53:11 PM
Nice page and a nice collection of bikes. I found that to get to it I had to put a tilde in place of the apostrophe.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Martin's Bicycle Page posted by Randy on 12/24/2000 at 7:21:33 PM
For some reason, the Oldroads BBS software replaces the tilde with an apostrophe. The URL's I post turn out the same way.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Martin's Bicycle Page posted by phil on 12/26/2000 at 3:51:37 PM
Thanks for the update on your web page. I hadn't seen it in a year or so (lost the address). Weren't you formerly at Yale?
I have to thank you (and of course Sheldon) for stoking my appetite for English bikes. After I had rediscovered them, your web sites really got me going.

Happy holidays.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Martin's Bicycle Page posted by MartinH on 12/28/2000 at 6:58:30 AM
Yes, that is right - I was at Yale for some time along with my web site. Eventually they kicked both of us out ;) Resettled now in Boston. Happy New Year! Martin

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1963 Huffy Sportsman posted by: carole on 12/20/2000 at 10:52:17 AM

I just purchased a black and white 1963 Huffy Sportsman at a thrift store for $10. Yahoo! I'm completely in love with my bike. It has a Sturmey Archer Hub and a 3 speed mechanism that I've never seen before. I can move the right hand grip to 1, 2 and 3 gears. Is this original with the bike? If anyone has any general information about the value of early '60's Huffy Sportsmans, please post! Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1963 Huffy Sportsman posted by Mike Stone on 12/20/2000 at 7:14:51 PM

Yes, the Sportsman is a nice ride, isn't it. My thirteen year old son has had one for the past three years and often choses it over his newer and more fashionable bikes. I rescued it from a metal scrap heap and only had to add a front rim.

When we go touring, his friends usually end up begging him to switch bikes with them for a little while. Being a fan of older bikes, this gives me great satisfaction to see. The Sportsman is a comfortable ride.

Are you sure that your Sportsman is a 1963? 1973 was a more common year for the Huffy Sportsman. Give the S/A hub a little more polishing and see if the "63" doesn't turn into a "73".

"Yes", the grip shifter was standard issue on the Huffy Sportsman. It's neat, isn't it. If you ever have to do maintanance on the shifter (and you will eventually), be aware that there is a free-floating spring and ball-bearing that will immediately jump into never-never land as soon as you take the housing off.

I used the Sportsman's period cousin the Huffy "Escape" for many years of commuting. It is still one of my favorite and most comfortable rides and I use it (with it's large after-market twin baskets) for freighting large loads when speed is not needed.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1963 Huffy Sportsman posted by sam on 12/24/2000 at 12:08:39 PM
Mike & Carol , ya'll might like to check out this web site when you have time. under their used bikes they show a photo of a 1955 huffy sportsman.You might findthe decal photo interesting .http://www.hampshirebicycleexchange.com/

   Thanks, Sam, that was neat posted by Mike Stone on 12/24/2000 at 2:13:24 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Sam. That was neat.

The Huffy Sportsman I have is not made by Raleigh; too bad!

Mine does not have lugged frames and seems to be a USA made from 1973. Interesting that Huffy offered the Sportsman for such a long period of time.


AGE / VALUE:   B.S.A. on ebay---cheep posted by: sam on 12/20/2000 at 6:53:45 AM
India made BSA on ebay going cheep.not mine --check it out --nice bike #1105034480---sam

FOR SALE:   Old Sturmey Archer triangular shifter posted by: Ray on 12/19/2000 at 8:35:31 AM
Check out this old Sturmey shifter.

AGE / VALUE:   efficiency of 3-speed posted by: sam on 12/19/2000 at 6:14:05 AM
The other day Randy did a post on Efficiency of 3-speed bike gears which got me to thinking about some articals I read back in my motorcycle days.Randy's post on a test was dated 1955,lots of new products have come along sence then.Could the 3-speed hub be made more efficient by using these new products?Slik-50, prolong, etc--how bout specal coating like those at http://www.rb-treasures.com/product2.html any thoughts on this?--sam

FOR SALE:   black Hercules posted by: Matthew on 12/18/2000 at 8:34:28 PM
Hi, a while ago, I bought a black, vintage English roadster, a Hercules. I thought I could keep it to do some work, but I need to sell for other matters. It has-

-original black & white saddle
-1 original tire (they are mismatched)
-original tubes (back is flat)
-chrome rims
-good black paint ( fenders have rough paint)
-front chrome front fender trim piece

Unfortunately, the grips are'nt original, and the shifter is long gone, but the 3 speed Sturmey is still there. Brakes are still good.

Email me to negotiate price.
Thanks, Matt

MISC:   I'm a three-speeder! posted by: Oscar on 12/18/2000 at 7:20:31 PM
Although I don't have an English Roadster, I have been an avid reader of this forum. I must admit that the Sturmey-Archer three-speed hub has fascinated me.

Now this sounds unorthodox, but I laced a '74 AW on a Weinmann mountain bike rim. From here, I threw it onto my Schwinn Speedster. The Speedster has a nice, slack geometry for a smooth ride, and balloon tires helps out over the potholes.

The wheel set up easily, and it took me next to no time to properly adjust the hub, and away I went. 48 x 18 is great for the Chicago flatlands. The high gear took me fast through a pick-up race for a few blocks. The icy cold wind was horrible on the way home, and it was slow and easy in low gear.

After 30 miles, I realized that three's all you need!

   RE:MISC:   I'm a three-speeder! posted by sam on 12/18/2000 at 9:54:54 PM
Hay gang I think we got another one hooked!Way to go Oscar!Schwinn used the S/A 3-speed on lots of there bikes from Balloons to M/W to racers.I don't have to ride in the Ice Capades being from So.Tex but the Mo/bike set up sounds like a good idea from what i've read---sam

   RE:MISC:   I'm a three-speeder! posted by Kevin on 12/19/2000 at 5:16:51 AM
I've got a couple three speed hube laced to alloy 26" wheels. Both on converted (saved? redeemed?) diamond "mountain bike" frames. One is a coaster brake and that mean I only run one cable. I think Thoreau would be a three speed type.... symplify, symplify, symplify.

   RE:RE:MISC:   I'm a three-speeder! posted by Oscar on 12/19/2000 at 6:10:20 PM
The Speedster (my steed since 1974) spent a year and a half as a fixed gear (48 x 15). Simple, but too simple perhaps.

   Three is all you need on the flats posted by Mike Stone on 12/20/2000 at 7:27:10 PM
Oscar, you are right that three speeds is all you need - as long as you are in the flat midwest like Illinois. My S/A stood up to the load, but I all but blew out my back trying to pump my S/A up an incline. Whew!

There is a tremendous advantage to the reliability of internal hubs, though. They don't get damaged when they fall over on their drive-side. They gears stay relatively clean even with miles of riding through crud. They lubricate easily and effectively with oil through the oil port (no bearing grease packing). Finally, even if you have them out of adjustment, you don't have a derailure to get caught in your spokes or peel the chain off the sprockets.

Old S/A hubs are a compelling introduction to the advantages of internal hubs. Now, internal hubs are available with a broader gearing spectrum such as five and seven gears.


   RE:MISC:   I'm a three-speeder! posted by Dale Oswald on 1/4/2001 at 9:15:10 AM
I'm partial to the 3x2 setup, with a two-speed derailleur on the outside of an AW hub. This can be done with an old Cyclo converter, or fit two sprockets mounted back to back (you'll have to grind down the points on the sprocket teeth so a derailleur will work.) Use 21/24 or 14/16 (ratio of 7:8 to equally split the internal 3:4 ratio). Note that SA did make 24T sprockets but were very uncommon, I bought mine new in '74 when I worked at a Raleigh dealer.

FOR SALE:   Raleigh Sports posted by: Chip on 12/18/2000 at 4:43:02 PM
for sale 26" 3 speed raleigh sports.
Everything seems to be original.Missing
the tire pump.has the brookes leather seat,in pretty good shape,100% rideable.
asking $100 plus shipping.


AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sports posted by: Chip on 12/18/2000 at 4:43:02 PM
for sale 26" 3 speed raleigh sports.
Everything seems to be original.Missing
the tire pump.has the brookes leather seat,in pretty good shape,100% rideable.
asking $100 plus shipping.


FOR SALE:   Cleaning out basement posted by: Howard on 12/17/2000 at 12:49:32 PM
I have a few English Roadsters and folding Bicycles for sale. I have collected them over the past few years and now planning on moving and need to make room.
2 mens mid 1970's 28" Tourists both in excellent condition
1 open chain,1 enclosed
1 mens 26" chrome Sport mid 1960's.
1 mens 26" Supurbe
1 mens 26" Sport mid 1950's Dynohub and enclosed chain
1 mens 28" Tourist apart
1 womans 28" tourist NEW apart(grips still have plastic
on them)will assemble.
1 RSW 16" folding with white carrier like new condition
2 Twenty folding bikes like new condition
1 Twenty non folding clean
1 Sprite 5 speed like new condition
Please E mail me for more information. All bicycles are located on Long Island.

FOR SALE:   5 speed men's robin hood posted by: Bruce on 12/17/2000 at 6:35:46 AM
5 speed robin hood on ebay #1105325418 has starting bid of .99 if you don't like the color use it for parts.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   "Efficiency of Three-speed Bicycle Gears" posted by: Randy on 12/16/2000 at 9:01:21 PM
I'm now in posession of a photocopy of the above-named article. The citation in _Bicycling Science_ has a typo--the issue of "Engineering (London)" is 20 July 1956 and not 2 July 1956. That caused me several minutes of panic when I realized there wasn't a 2 July issue...

The article is impressive in its rigorousness. Mr's Thom, Lund and Todd (two with Doctorates) built a test dynamometer that put two fixed-gear three-speed hubs (normal, 10% and 25% reduction--the legendary ASC) in series, mounted on a frame suspended with compressed-air bearings. The first hub was driven by a controllable-speed 1/2 horsepower motor. Its shell was connected with the shell of the second hub, which was back-driven through its geartrain, and its sprocket was connected to a friction brake.

Over a range of 50-250 rpm of the hub, corresponding to a speed of 3-25 mph in the various gears, the input torque and torque lost to friction was measured. In the way the apparatus was connected, the chain friction was minimized. The apparatus had a sensitivity to detect a torque change of .08 in-lb.

The efficiency meassured was graphed, and for torques above 2.5 ft-lb were >92.5% in bottom, >93% in middle and >97.5% in top gear. The efficiencies were greater as torque (and thus power applied) increased.

I'll scan the original graph (which is better than the one shown in _Bicycling Science_) and revise my webpage on Monday. I'm composing an email to Frank Berto (who I admire greatly--I still consider his article on derailleur gearing in "Bicycling" in the late 1970's to be one of the most significant technical articles ever written), and will try to get permission to put the "Engineering" article verbatim on my website.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Randy on 1/3/2001 at 3:54:32 PM
The website is http://www.rickadee.net/'zephyrus (Replace the ' with a tilde--this BBS software filters out tildes for some reason)

The graph is on the Sturmey-Archer page.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Keith on 1/2/2001 at 9:54:06 AM
Bravo Randy! You may help dispel an awful myth in a very significant publication on the history of geared bikes (the planned second edition of Dancing Chain). Many thanks!!!!!!!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Bill Putnam on 1/3/2001 at 12:55:14 PM
Have you posted the graph, and where do I find your


Bill Putnam

AGE / VALUE:   trip posted by: sam on 12/16/2000 at 8:48:59 PM
I always come back from Mexico wanting to go back and buy more.This time I got a large streched leather saddle,duoble spring in rear,large bouble loop in front.Made in India.Looked at a new rod brake still in the cardbord box from India.(bought one 15 years ago)they still come with fenders, carrier,light,pencil thin red stripe walled 28"x1 1/2"tires,and rear drop stand.The one draw back , they are 1 speed.Maybe I'll get one and install a 3-speed. True 28"tires for $5.00---wonder if he had rims.I ask next time---sam

FOR SALE:   Robin Hood posted by: Bruce on 12/16/2000 at 4:04:27 PM
1105246736 on ebay recent tune-up with new tires/tubes etc.