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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   Performance posted by: Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 4/18/2000 at 6:34:00 AM
Hello all,
Performance on our site has been pretty poor lately. We're getting
around 2000 unique visitors each day and over 10,000 hits each day.
We're working on improving performance on our site by:

1) reducing the display ads.
2) archiving discussions and improving our database performance.

This will take a few weeks. Please bear with us...

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles

   RE:MISC:   Performance posted by Keith on 4/18/2000 at 6:41:53 AM
Vin: Thank you for running this site for years just to give us a place to hang and talk bikes. It's a great site!

   RE:MISC:   Performance posted by phil on 4/18/2000 at 5:46:00 PM
Don't worry Vin. The site performance is like the performance of one of our bikes, slow and steady, comfortable to be on and let the world go by.

Thanks millions.

   RE:MISC:   Performance posted by Fred on 4/19/2000 at 3:25:59 AM
When I log on each evening I first check my E-Mail and then go straight to this page to see whats happening. I don't know what I would do with my ER fix each day.

FOR SALE:   Early 1900's BSA Rod Brake Bike posted by: DANNY on 4/17/2000 at 6:11:49 PM

   RE:FOR SALE:   Early 1900's BSA Rod Brake Bike posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/18/2000 at 10:33:14 AM
What size wheels? what size frame? does it have a rack or a bell, describe the seat and what are you looking to ask for it? Hey, I get currious! Thanks!

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Early 1900's BSA Rod Brake Bike posted by Kevin C. on 4/18/2000 at 3:49:59 PM
Please let us know if it's a man's bike or a woman's bike.

FOR SALE:   Raleigh Roadsters posted by: bikeyard on 4/17/2000 at 2:57:40 AM
For sale two matching 69 Raleigh Roadsters. 28" Rod brakes. DL-1 models I believe. One mens one womans. Both are in decent shape with good chrome. I started cleaning the mens and it is in working order. Original everything on both. Both are missing pumps. Mens has a good dent in the bottom of the front fender and is missing the reflector lens. $250 for the pair plus shipping. I will take photos tonight if it does not rain. I am in New Hampshire if you would like to pick them up and save on shipping.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Raleigh Roadsters posted by bikeyard on 4/17/2000 at 4:37:38 PM
Bikes are sold.

FOR SALE:   Bleumels Lightweight fenders posted by: bikeyard on 4/15/2000 at 8:58:48 PM
Anyone interested in Bleumels Lightweight fenders. I have two NOS complete sets, 1 set without braces, and two Bleumel Popular rear fenders without brackets or braces. All are NOS and all are 26" I can have photos on Sunday 4/16 Please email if interested.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Bleumels Lightweight fenders posted by bikeyard on 4/17/2000 at 2:57:04 PM
Two complete sets are sold.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by: Paul R. on 4/14/2000 at 3:52:47 PM
Awesome 1950 Raleigh Record Ace on eBay (#308673572)! Check it out...you don't see these to often. The decals are spectacular. This brings up another point, how do the pricey bike restoration shops reproduce decals for their restorations? I did get some nice Raleigh heron rear fender decals from Classic Transfers in England, but their selection is limited. I know the decal issue has been discussed before but there has to be a solution! Perhaps if we knew how the bike shops had them made we could have a large order made up and split the cost somehow?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 4/15/2000 at 11:51:53 AM
The LAST TIME a Raleigh Record Ace was offered on E-Bay the bike did not have decals. This one does and they are marvelous.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/16/2000 at 9:06:25 AM
This is a 22 inch small frame, has a marvelous period saddle bag, it is correct and in excellent shape. However the description does not say if it is a F.M. or a F.C.hub or what ratio designation it is. Another plus is the rear rack it there the right one that goes to the bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/16/2000 at 10:06:31 AM
It passed $800.00 and they are still taking bids!! keep an eye on this one!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by Oscar on 4/16/2000 at 8:31:36 PM
About the handlebars - are they upside-down North Roads or Moustache. I've read that some club bikes used North Roads mounted in the drop position. Have any of you ridden this way?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by phil on 4/17/2000 at 7:47:47 AM
I remember that when I was a kid (late 50's/early 60's) I turned my handlebars over. I was trying to make my 3 speed bike from Western Auto more like the "cool" racing bikes that were starting to appear. Even took off my fenders and wrapped the bars with tape (electrician's tape if I remember correctly). I don't remember leaving the bars that way, so it must have been uncomfortable or maybe I decided it wasn't "cool" anymore.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by Keith on 4/18/2000 at 6:47:14 AM
This bike is gorgeous. When I see something like this and the Claud Butler referred to below, I know I need to completely change my bike-acquiring habits. Insead of filling garages and storage sheds with common 70s 3-speeds and low or mid-range bikes for free to $20, I need to clean things out and save up for one or two real gems like these. In other words, I need to move from an enthusiast to a collector. If I had this bike and the Claud Butler, I'd know I had a great core collection.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by Karl on 4/18/2000 at 7:32:24 AM
The handlebars do look like North Road bars inverted, which are a different shape from moustache bars (I Have some of each). As to the hub, I not the text mentions "four W" speed hub, so I guess it's an FW.

That's a great bike. Gives me lots of ideas for some a project...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace posted by Paul R. on 4/18/2000 at 7:22:35 PM
I noticed that the same guy is auctioning both the Record Ace and the Claude Butler...if these are the one's he is getting rid of, I would like to see his keepers!

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 4/13/2000 at 3:13:22 PM
There is a very nice pair of Raleigh sports bikes, male and female on eBay #303782951. These look to be quite late, and quite nice.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 4/13/2000 at 2:52:35 PM
There is yet another DL-1 Raleigh on eBay. #308020306 It's a single speed, looks pretty good, but will need some cleaning. If someone here gets it please let us know how you make out with it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cleaning yellowed S-A plastic headlight lenses posted by: Wes K on 4/13/2000 at 10:29:24 AM
Greeting once again to all!!!! Does anybody have any suggestions
on how to de-yellow the plastic lenses on old S-A headlamps? Would
soaking it in bleach work? Thanks in advance!!!!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cleaning yellowed S-A plastic headlight lenses posted by Keith on 4/14/2000 at 11:08:39 AM
I'm not a chemist, but I'd think the discoloration is actually a chemical change that cannot be reversed. I'd also think that bleach would be risky because it may actually cause further damage. I've also collected fountain pens over the years, and many of them are plastic. No one has found a way to change yellowed plastic pen barrels -- so the rare ones without discoloration go for many times what a stained pen will fetch. One thing pen collectors do, however, is soak the pens for a long time (sometimes weeks) in a solution of dish soap plus a little bit of ammonia. But all this does is help gently dissolve grime. Cleaning and polishing may remove surface dirt and grime that accounts for some of the color. But bottom line -- if the plastic itself has changed color, I think you're probably stuck with it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cleaning yellowed S-A plastic headlight lenses posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/14/2000 at 2:10:29 PM
Very good question, but I suspect that Keith is right. Althought it is possible to scare up another lens. Or perhaps another light in better shape. They look cool all yellow too.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cleaning yellowed S-A plastic headlight lenses posted by JimW. on 4/18/2000 at 1:47:02 PM
There is another possible solution for this problem. Make a
two-piece mold of the yellowed lens, from silicone-rubber
(RTV)mold material. Once you have the mold, you can cast replica
lenses from Clear-Cast polyester resin. It will look exactly
like an original lens.

MISC:   AW hub problem posted by: Fred on 4/13/2000 at 6:51:40 AM
I recently acquired a 1965 (per hub date), ladies Hercules. When I first rode the bike the hub worked beautifully. Then, when I attempted to adjust the indicator rod, it came loose with about one turn. Subsequently, all attempts to re-thread it have failed. At first the bike could be ridden in 1st gear without the indicator in place . I have not delved into an AW hub except for drive side lubrication and to replace the pawl springs so only have the schematics to go by. I am at a loss to know why the rod won't re-thread. Apparently the part it attaches to is out of place. I am itching to tear into it but cannot for some weeks. What will I find when I tear it down?

   RE:MISC:   AW hub problem posted by Paul MN on 4/13/2000 at 10:33:37 AM
You still stand a good chance of recovering from your situation without dismantling your hub. Two things you may not have tried. First is to remove the drive side axle nut so that your sure to get the indicator rod as deep into the hole in the axle as possible without dealing with folded up indicator chain links. When the rod hits bottom, hopefully you can spin it into the threaded hole running thru the little "keeper" pin that lives in a slot in the axle. The "keepers" job is to to move the clutch up and down the axle to ingage 1st and 3rd gear, 2nd being direct drive. If this first effort fails, try running a small diameter, stiff wire down the hole in the axle in an effort to realign the keepers threaded hole. The wire will have to be thiner then a coat hanger. Perhaps use the ball point end of a cartridge from a cheap retracting pen. The hub should be in third gear during these attempts as the spring will be more relaxed. Good luck Fred!

   RE:MISC:   AW hub problem posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/14/2000 at 2:19:39 PM
The part that the indicator chain screws into is the clutch key and these move a little bit sometimes and this makes it hard to get it to go together. I would try to move it back. If you go into the hub then keep an eye out for worn parts and do an overhaul while you are in there. Good luck!! Let us know how it turns out.

   RE:RE:MISC:   AW hub problem posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/14/2000 at 2:20:48 PM
It is also slightly possible that the threads are striped but I doubt this

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Logo Info posted by: Norman F. Birnberg on 4/12/2000 at 2:26:15 PM
I just acquired a Raleigh Owner's manual that had the old
Raleigh logo with Sir Walter Raleigh draping a cape.

The question I have relating to the Raleigh logo is when
Raleigh switched to the heron? I think my manual dates to
the 50s or so.
Thanks for any information about when Raleigh switched from one logo to the other.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Logo Info posted by Kevin C. on 4/12/2000 at 9:08:54 PM
I think the two logos were (are?) used simultaneously, depending on the Raleigh part or product.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Logo Info posted by Kevin C. on 4/15/2000 at 8:44:16 PM
Just checked my 1972 DL-1. Heron on the headbadge, lamp bracket, and sprocket; Sir Walter with cape stamped on the crank arms.

MISC:   BSA Continued posted by: Danny on 4/12/2000 at 11:33:46 AM
What's up guys, I guess that I am new to this "english Roadster" section, and I must thank you for your responses-
Well, I've looked over the bike in more detail, and I have actually found some more parts that go to the bike that, here is some more information: The bike does not have any lights, other than the a cool reflector on the back fender that is highlighted in with a chrome BSA symbol. The rear wheel is in good shape and has a BSA symbol on the hub with two guns up against a post engraved in the chrome. The seat is leather, and has "brooks" engraved in it. The cool part of the seat is that the springs are unlike any other I have ever seen. On the actual frame, there is a BSA emblem on the head-tube with the two-gun symbol. The frame has the original paint (black) and has a gold trim all all around. It also has a painted emblem that says "british touring winner" (I am not near the bike now, and so I'm not sure if this is the exact wording).I'm not sure but the frame may be a female's frame due to the fact that the top bar is angled downward. The pedals have rubber "BSA" strips that appear to be removable. The sprocket is the
very cool with the "B-S-A" shaed in a steel in a circle.
All of the brakes are there and seem to be somewhat functioning. Basically everything is there except for the
front wheel. There is no chain guard, and it looks like there never was one.
Please feel free to E-mail me-
I am either going to restore this or sell it-
If you guys are interested, please email me-

MISC:   BSA posted by: Danny on 4/11/2000 at 2:02:31 PM
Here is what I have: Very, Very old BSA Bicycle. The brakes on this bike are unlike any that I have ever seen. The do not have any cables, but rather long steel rods that connect from the levers to the actual brakes. The sprocket on this bike says "B-S-A" in single letters in a circular design. Basically the entire bike is there. I'm a little unsure as to what this bike is worth. Do any of you know???? I am interested in selling it, so if you want it please let me know. Thanks, Danny

   RE:MISC:   BSA posted by http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 4/11/2000 at 4:27:01 PM
You have a rod brake roadster bike. What size wheels does this have? If it has 28 inch wheels it is worth a bit more then if it has 26 inch wheels. Is this a mens frame? What color? does it have an enclosed chainguard or is it an open style hockeystick style? Does it have a rear rack ? a bell? does it have any lights like a dynohub generator? B.S.A. made a dynohub type generator the "Hublite" This should have a B.S.A.rear hub not a Sturmey-Archer. You found a cool old rod brake bike and not to many of us here turn these up ourselves I mean "Congratulations!!" As to value, I would like to know more about it.

   RE:RE:MISC:   BSA posted by Jeff on 4/12/2000 at 5:25:07 AM
That bike is collected by both bicycle and motorcycle people.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   BSA posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/14/2000 at 2:14:42 PM
Yes, This is correct and you just try and get a motorcycle buff to part with any of the bicycle realated stuff in a collection! Same thing with Triumph, Sunbeam, Harley-Davidson, and other motorcycle brands that also made bicycles.

AGE / VALUE:   How does this look? posted by: ChristopherRobin on 4/11/2000 at 1:04:38 PM
Check out the :1971 Raleigh Sports Bicycle -excellent item #305671710 on E-Bay. It is not mine, but check out the all white tires on this!! I have a thing for all white tires and still can not find any!! I think it looks cool with these tires and I never hardly see them. What do you think?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How does this look? posted by Oscar on 4/11/2000 at 5:32:06 PM
It looks great! The seller calls it an eggnog color. White shoes on a bike remind me of early track bikes from the 1900's.

Did you notice that the seller writes in flawless English? Odd in the online auction world.

AGE / VALUE:   How to date a Dunelt posted by: ChristopherRobin on 4/11/2000 at 12:54:40 PM
I discovered date stamps on the steer tube of my Dunelt and also on the bottom bracket spindle! Someone must really have cared for this last one it looks awesome for being 40 years old!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to date a Dunelt posted by Keith on 4/11/2000 at 1:17:13 PM
Good for you! My red '62 Dunelt is hanging on a wall in my office in front of me right now, adjacent to my Peugeot track bike. It's not 100%, but it's close -- and the red really is magnificent. I don't have a fleet of older bikes, like some of you, and the details on this '62 are really cool to me -- like the enameled badge on the rear mudguard instead of a cheaper transfer. I got this one from the original owner, who rode it when he was at Harvard ("Havad"). Looks like he kept it waxed!

MISC:   1952 Claud Butler posted by: Keith on 4/11/2000 at 11:32:12 AM
Go see the 1952 Claud Butler track bike on Ebay -- item # 305437211. A piece of history. A work of art. Not mine -- sure wish it was.

   RE:MISC:   1952 Claud Butler posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/11/2000 at 1:04:09 PM
Very, very, nice machine!

   RE:MISC:   1952 Claud Butler posted by Oscar on 4/11/2000 at 5:36:29 PM
Dude!! Can someone loan me a lot of money?