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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TOSRV posted by: Keith on 5/15/2000 at 6:28:31 AM
This weekend I rode the Tour of the Scioto River Valley ("TOSRV"), the local, back-to-back century weekend since 1962. Since I hadn't lost weight and gotten in shape, so did not ride a 3-speed as I'd promised earlier -- but I rode my Mercian, still a proper, English bike. I passed a lot of carbon and titanium on my old British iron. And I saw a wonderful group of four men riding Raleigh 20s and 16s -- yes, they were SA-equiped 3-speeds, of course. I saw them both days and I assume they completed the entire ride on these strange little bikes. When I passed them, I shouted, "God save the Queen!" I hope to get aluminum rims on my Sports and ride it on TOSRV next year. I don't think I'll ever ride the DL-1, though, because it almost always rains and I feel it would put others at risk to be out there without good brakes. Great weekend. Cycling is the best.

MISC:   texas humor posted by: sam on 5/14/2000 at 12:25:19 PM
An unexpected shower overnight had left the air clean & crisp.My early morining ride around the park was more enjoyable than ever.Splaching through the puddles was fun for a change.But with the grass nearly all brown and the leaves on the trees turning yellow,I was reminded that the time was fast approching when I would have to put the old bike back on it's rack in the garage and take the 4-wheel box. That thin red line in the thumometer will soon be touching the top and July will again be upon us in south texas.I do look forward to those golden years of retirement,when I can do what all Texans do-hang the bike behind the motorhome and head NORTH for the summer!--sam

MISC:   S/A 3SPD WITH COASTER BRAKE posted by: ART on 5/12/2000 at 7:01:53 AM
A janitor at the school where I work rolled a 66 girl's Columbia middlewieght into my room. He found it in the trash. I didn't have any use for the frame and I passed it on to a friend who owns a bike shop. I kept the 26X13/8 Araya rims and the S/A 3 spd hub with a coaster brake. I knew this hub existed but I've never had one. Rare? Good? Any comments?

   RE:MISC:   S/A 3SPD WITH COASTER BRAKE posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/13/2000 at 9:14:14 AM
I would keep it on hand in case you ever need one.

   RE:RE:MISC:   S/A 3SPD WITH COASTER BRAKE posted by Wings on 5/14/2000 at 4:51:37 PM
Are they common? No, but they are out there. I used one of a girls stingray (Schwinn) to put on a Mongoose with 16 inch wheels for one of my grandchildren. It took me awhile to find it. It has now returned and I will put it in a boys Stingray. So, Stingrays had them! Also some other (usually womens) Schwinn bikes had them.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   S/A 3SPD WITH COASTER BRAKE posted by Jeff on 5/15/2000 at 5:47:47 AM
If you still have it, there is a guy on the "For sale/wanted" section of this site (or was it the "balloon tire" section?) who is looking for middleweight Columbia fenders.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by: claudia on 5/11/2000 at 10:09:03 PM
Hello All.My Goodness! I have been away for awhile and just checked in to
catch up. I am amazed and pleased that everyone is swapping
stories. Fantastic. It must be Spring. A nice vacation from
the nuts and bolts kind of posts. I guess we are all really enjoying
our fabulous English bikes. Huzzuh!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by sam on 5/12/2000 at 11:41:50 AM
So what you are saying is girls like to hear about things other than just tect tips? thinks for the tip,now if I can think of something other than work or what color I plan to paint my bike!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by Oscar on 5/12/2000 at 12:41:58 PM
We know what happens to young men in the spring. Older guys, however, squint into the early Spring sunshine, wipe a winter's worth of grease off their hands, and begin to pump pedals to the tick tick tick of a newly serviced hub. Soon, with bronzed foreheads and forearms, they will tap tap tap out bright memories of taut new tires on wet asphalt, the sun's glint on chrome bars, and playful bounce of the world beneath the saddle.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by Kevin C. on 5/13/2000 at 9:19:02 AM
Claudia--Good to see you're back. Are you still riding around on that men's saddle with your purse hanging off the nose?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by Wings on 5/14/2000 at 4:55:09 PM
Come on guys!
Let's get back to the important stuff!!
Talk nuts and bolts!!!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by claudia on 5/14/2000 at 10:23:49 PM
Keith, yes indeed that men's saddle is still on the bike and
with the change of seasons, I am hanging my bright yellow purse
on the nose. Downright spring cheery as it contrasts with the
bronze green of my Sports. Tra La! Tally Ho!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by claudia on 5/14/2000 at 10:27:11 PM
Oops I meant to direct that purse thing to Kevin.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/15/2000 at 8:11:56 AM
I never thought of hanging things off the saddle nose before! Cool! Do you have a rear rack? Although if it is hanging off the saddle nose she will know if it falls off whereas if it was on the rear rack she might not know until it was too late. (blocks away) Also I think she probable is wraping the strap around really well so it does not swing. Not carying a purse I would never have thought of this.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fabulous! posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/15/2000 at 8:54:24 AM
I do slip my Kryptonite New York Lock through the front loop because you ain't taking my B-90/3 Brooks leather saddle!!

FOR SALE:   OLD HUMBER WITH SPRINGER FRONT END posted by: Ray on 5/11/2000 at 7:50:13 AM
Check out my auction on ebay of this real collectible Brit bike with double tube sprung fork and Brooks woven spring saddle. Un molested original that needs some TLC to bring back to a real classic.

AGE / VALUE:   Church rummage sale adventure posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/11/2000 at 6:41:17 AM
Yesterday was the yearly church rummage sale in my neighborhood. As usual, the inside courtyard was full of old bikes. I was the first one inside and booked for small yard. I opened the door in anticipation with a few other guys on my tail. It came down to two Raleigh's and I had to choose quick. There was a newer Carlton Raleigh with 531 main tubes and alloy rims I think it was a Super course and then there was this 5 speed brown Sprite with a Pletcher rack. I should have grabbed the Carlton but it was not that old and I did not like the bike but it was worth more than 45.00 I thought. I wavered, and another guy grabbed it quick with this look of joy on his face he got behind it and checked it out to see if it was straight and in good order. He checked the headset and wheels. This guy rode a lot, was in shorts. I grabbed this sprite and was happy but I dunno,$40.00 seemed a bit high. (I am being cheap lately) I made my way out of there, had it reserved at a little booth and this old lady came at me asking how much I paid. I told her 40.00 She made a frowny face and told me she donated it that it was her father's bike. I told her it was going to a good home and then I asked the magic question "Do you have any more bikes that you did not donate?" "Why yes" she said. Great, I thought and she took my # She has two old Schwinns and she wants to get rid of them! So I got a lead from it. The prices were higher and I just know that some smart cookie is there keeping the really good things like real antiques and depression glassware, McCoy pottery e.t.c. from getting put up. There is a racket going on I know it I have played the game and have it almost figured out. Sometimes the goodies slip through but you have to have an eye.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Church rummage sale adventure posted by Jeff on 5/12/2000 at 6:10:22 AM
ChristopherRobin, has she called you yet?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Church rummage sale adventure posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/12/2000 at 9:10:52 AM
No, but she said these were at her house up north. I am always out getting new leads.

AGE / VALUE:   S.G.Dynohub question posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/10/2000 at 10:58:10 AM
The Sturmey-Archer story: by Tony Hadland, mentions the SW hub and so I quote the book with a few questions of my own: "The SG, an SW/Dynohub combination, was announced and cataloged about 1956/1957 as was the SB, an SW combined with hub brake. Both featured in the Master Catalog and 1957 price list. They were intended to replace their AW based counterparts. However, it seems that none actually got to the retailers."

I was wondering what happened to these hubs? It sounds like some of these were actually made in quanity and that they were recalled before they made it to the shops. What happened? Were the Jobbers asked to bring them back to the factory? Does anybody out there have any of these hubs? Did they wind up scrapped? ALL OF THEM?? I have SW hubs, and also the Hercules version of the SW. I would like very much to be able to buy the special tools for use with the SW. The C spanner (type DD12418) and the hollow punch (DD12403) What about the SB brake? I have never seen or heard of one of these until reading the book. Have any of you seen one of these? anyone ever hear about this outside of the book? What happened to all of the hubs that did get made? None made it to the retailers because a decision was made against putting these in the market place. Did anybody manage to save these from being scrapped? This reminds me of the 1950's and 1960's show cars that were destroyed or wound up in junkyards because they were not intended for the public to buy and use. Lost one- off prototypes and forgotten machinery is an interest of mine.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   S.G.Dynohub question posted by jeff on 5/12/2000 at 3:15:14 PM
i have a 1956 triumph that came with a sw hub. high gear no longer works. it free wheels. adjusting the shifter chain didn't work. low and normal gear work ok. the bike now has an aw hub and new rim that work but i would like to fix the sw hub. i prefer the xtra wide gear ratio of the sw. where can i get info on this.

MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by: phil on 5/10/2000 at 8:36:57 AM
With one of the Raleighs I've picked up came a little gizmo which appears to be an odometer. It was not mounted on the bike, and therefore I have to figure out where to put it. There is a mounting bracket with an elogated hole large enough for at least a 15mm stud. The odometer is driven by a gear that appears to enable it to ride the chain. My conclusion is to mount it on the right rear axle with the gear in contact with the chain just in front of the sprocket.

Except....the bike it came with was a Sprite with a Huret derailleur and this mounting will not work because of the derailleur. I'll happily mount it on a Sports, but I'm curious if there is a method to mounting it on the Sprite.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by Wings on 5/11/2000 at 10:53:44 PM
That is cool! I can hear the click click now--brings back memories. I have seen that belt driven one also. For Christmas one year as a kid my parents gave me a speedometer (on the handlebar with the long cable to the axle.) I installed it and took my first ride with everyone watching. I went down to the end of the street and I remember seeing the needle hit 25mph. At that point my front wheel went over the steel manhole cover (it had 1.5inch square bumps on it) and lost it. I slid into the curb on the concrete. Lost some skin, but the speedo was ok! Could that happen with an odometer, probably not. Good riding!

   RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by Paul MN on 5/13/2000 at 5:44:01 AM
I have a Lucas cyclometer on my 28 inch wheel Dunelt thats been clicking along for 25 years. Its very accurate! I do almost all my riding alone and the constant clicking keeps me company. The little window is so far away that in order to read it while riding I have to wait for a smooth bit of road to bend over the bars and squint. A little tweaking can get the pin to hit the cog toward the inside making the clicking sound less harsh.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by chuck on 5/16/2000 at 11:51:41 PM
I had a Lucas Cyclometer on me daughters 16, or was it 20-inch wheel, Hercules. There should be a number on the housing of it that indicates the intended wheel size.

   RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by Wings on 5/10/2000 at 11:48:40 AM
There is a style which may be what you have described-- That fits on the front axle. A small pin is placed on a spoke at the proper height so that when it rotates it hits one tooth on the little fixed "sprocket" (on the odometer) and you can hear it as you ride the bike. It just turns the cog one notch each time! The odometer reading itself is just about 2 inches away on a rectangular dial? Could that be it? They do go click, click, click when you ride! I had one on my 60's varsity.
I still see them on old ten speeds.

   RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by Gordon on 5/10/2000 at 5:09:03 PM
I think "Wings" has it correct. The the axle I believe goes through the elongated hole which allows some adjustment. I think I have (somewhere) some of the pegs that mount on the spokes. Let me know if you need one.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by Kevin C. on 5/11/2000 at 4:48:39 AM
Wings and Gordon are right. Back in 1965, I had a brand-new Sting-Ray and I bought one of the little mileage meters for it. As I remember, it was made in England and cost $4. I always liked the accelerating pace of the clicking as I rode faster and faster.

   RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by Keith on 5/11/2000 at 5:51:09 AM
A few weeks ago a neighbor gave me a Fuji with a Hurret cyclometer -- it's BELT driven. No kidding!

   RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by phil on 5/11/2000 at 6:07:29 AM
You guys are an encylopedia of arcane bicycle knowledge. Amazing. The little odometer gizmo, marked "Joseph Lucas Ltd. Birmingham, King of the Road", indicating only 67.9 miles (perhaps km) installed correctly on my front hub. And indeed, goes click, click, click, click. Fantastic!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Cyclometer??? posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/11/2000 at 6:37:48 AM
Lucas Cyclometers were made for 26 and 28 inch wheel sizes so you had to be sure you bought the right one for your bike. I suppose they made them for 27 inch wheels too. They had these in green boxes that told you that there was a special striker that replaced one of the G.H.6 dynohub bolts so you could use the Lucas cyclometer with your Dynohub.

MISC:   New rider posted by: Keith on 5/10/2000 at 6:27:45 AM
last night my youngest -- my 6 year old daughter -- learned to ride a two-wheeler. Once she got it, she kept going and going and going. She rode for more than a half hour. Fly little birdie, fly!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   New rider posted by WIngs on 5/11/2000 at 10:57:59 PM
A Pixie. Good choice! As a Schwinn guy, I have a couple of those!

   RE:MISC:   New rider posted by phil on 5/10/2000 at 8:30:58 AM
Yeeahhhh!! She's a big girl now. Congratulations to her.

Did Raleigh make a miniature DL-1?????

   RE:MISC:   New rider posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/10/2000 at 10:36:59 AM
I hope you are taking pix with a camcorder.

   RE:MISC:   New rider posted by DALE on 5/10/2000 at 11:10:05 AM
That was about the same age I was when I got that first push from dad without the training wheels! Take's me right back to that very moment. Dare say I didn't make it a half hour on my first try though.I have been ridding,and have always had at least one bike of my own ever since. Yes it's been a happy life

   RE:RE:MISC:   New rider posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/10/2000 at 11:25:33 AM
I remember falling down off my Ross Apollo 3 speed and skinning my elbows and the chrome off the handlebars. I fell over and over trying to ride the bike for the first time. Then all of a sudden I picked it up and hey, no problem!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   New rider posted by Wings on 5/10/2000 at 11:53:06 AM
You left out the most important part! On what bike was she riding?????
Just kidding--Sounds like she takes after her Dad! I am sure she knows your enjoyment of riding and she must have felt so good doing what she sees you doing!
Now, your task is to prepare mentally starting right now for the day that she overtakes you-- with great joy!!!!!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   New rider posted by Wings on 5/10/2000 at 11:55:21 AM
You left out the most important part! On what bike was she riding?????
Just kidding--Sounds like she takes after her Dad! I am sure she knows your enjoyment of riding and she must have felt so good doing what she sees you doing!
Now, your task is to prepare mentally starting right now for the day that she overtakes you-- with great joy!!!!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   New rider posted by Keith on 5/11/2000 at 5:52:33 AM
Even though you're just kiding, I might as well fees up -- a Schwinn Pixie. No tiny Raleighs hre.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Proper Roadster Stands posted by: Warren on 5/9/2000 at 9:30:33 PM
I received a few e mails regarding the use of Trygg centrestands with rod brake bikes. They won't mount. The one you want to find is displayed on eBay on the Golden Lion Roadster item 328939001. Great bike...nice kickstand.

FOR SALE:   My Raleigh RSW Folder on eBay posted by: Sheldon Brown on 5/9/2000 at 8:58:14 PM
If you like strange old bikes, check out the Raleigh RSW folder I'm selling on eBay...


   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   My Raleigh RSW Folder on eBay posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/15/2000 at 8:15:47 AM
After this mean old lady said "No, its not for sale!!" Something popped and I now have 23 of these in various schemes. I stoped my R.S.W. hunting but I would like to see Sheldon hop up one of these like he did with the Raleigh twenty.

   RE:FOR SALE:   My Raleigh RSW Folder on eBay posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/11/2000 at 6:40:39 AM
This has crazy foldable handlebars with the Raleigh Heron inside the knob! Cool.

AGE / VALUE:   Gazelle posted by: Nicholas Stelter on 5/9/2000 at 4:18:59 PM
I have 2 1969 Gazelle's with 3spd. TCW Sturmey-Archer rear hup with Coaster brake.
Both bikes are in excellent condition and are all original. Both are read and a tan seat.
I was woundering if any body knew more information about Gazelle and also what the value of my bikes are.

Thank You

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We can go fast too! posted by: Keith on 5/9/2000 at 10:08:14 AM
On the way in today a guy on a Cannondale road bike passed me (I was on my Dunelt, as usual). I could tell he had made an effort to catch and pass me, as evidenced by the fact that he slowed down considerably not long after he was by me. I'll bet that when he saw me on my old bike with fenders he knew he couldn't stay behind -- how could he on his Aluminum/index shifting wonder? He'd look back every once in a while - he knew I was still there -- my Dunelt rattles loudly when it goes over bumps. I simply maintained my pace in my high gear (72" with 46 x 22), and after a few miles I caught and passed him. He hung his head a little as I went by. I had a similar experience yesterday. Yet another Cannondale-equiped rider was going up a hill that's part of the climb out of the river valley. He stood up and pedaled hard. I purposely passed him sitting down on my Dunelt, using middle gear. We were both stopped at a red light. I said hello -- he wouldn't look over.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We can go fast too! posted by WesK on 5/9/2000 at 6:10:17 PM
Good way to show off your vintage machine, Keith!!!! A couple of friends and I went on a 5 mile
ride last evening to a lake park here in town. I was on my dyno-equiped 72 Sports and they were on
(expensive) mountain bikes. I was in the front most of the time, especially when going up the hills.
I was practically flying on my old machine, which was probably twice as heavy. These old 3-speeds sure
make you work, but it's nice when in ordinary riding you can out pace everybody else!!!!!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We can go fast too! posted by Keith on 5/10/2000 at 6:24:54 AM
Of course it doesn't always work. Last night I tried chasing a young guy on a LeMond. I ended up passing him but only because he stopped to rest. But the 3-speeds are very capable machines.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We can go fast too! posted by Wings on 5/10/2000 at 10:27:54 PM
My favorite ride is my mid wheelbase recumbent. They are heavier than road bikes. My bike is a little different and I have been hit with cups filled with rootbeer from passing cars. Today I was called "FREAK". I think that was because of my bike.....I am not sure. One roadie was behind me for about two miles once, sitting in my draft waiting to pass and I was trying to be cool like with normal breathing and so on. Finally he pulled along side and said: "Get a real bike!" and then he did a quick left turn away from me in the middle of the block.
I think he left because he could not pass!

My best experience was when I was getting used to recumbents. It took a month for the new muscles to develop--oh what pain and pressure. First couple of weeks I had to jump off every mile and walk a few circles. I got better. Months later I passed my first roadie! On a Merlin! She was pregnant!!!

MISC:   Raleigh Sprite posted by: phil on 5/9/2000 at 9:30:42 AM
After picking up a Raleigh Sports (a youthful dream fulfilled) at a tag sale 3-4 years ago, I've accummulated 12-15 English bikes. All with SA 3 speeds, all pre-1971.

Recently, to "round out" my collection, a little used Raleigh Sprite has been added. Exact same frame, etc as the Sports bikes, but instead of the SA, a Huret 5 speed derailleur. Really nifty little bike. Hardly used, the "nubs" were still slightly visable on the Dunlop tyres (although completely dry rotted). Found some new Kenda gumwalls at $6.99 ea which look like the Dunlops. Wish it were the larger frame though. At 5'8" and shrinking, I'm not too big for the small frame, but I still prefer the larger frames.

Maybe I'll give it to my son when he gets a little bigger. How many bikes does a boy need?

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Sprite posted by phil on 5/9/2000 at 12:09:03 PM
I forgot to ask. Anybody know how to date this bike? Without the SA hub, I'm lost. The grips are gray without finger "indents", no sign of reflectors. I'm thinking mid to late 60's. Any other guesses?

   RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Paul R. on 5/9/2000 at 6:18:12 PM
I have a Huret equipped Sprite as well. It is my wifes' favorite bike! The Sprites are a little hard to date because they don't have the frame number (at least mine doesn't) and they were equipped differently than the same model year Sports. For instance, the 1969 Sports had the figer grip "shock stop" grips while the Sprite still used the gray barrel shaped grips (which I prefer). The pedals could give some clue. Occording to Sheldon's excellent site the 1967 to 1969 Ralieghs used the oval platform pedals. My 1969 catalog show the Sprite with these pedals. In addition, I think the double ended brake cables were last used in 1965 or 66. I have a 1962 catalog that lists the Sprite but it is a completely different animal (dropped bars, etc.). I hope this helps!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great ride posted by: Pete on 5/9/2000 at 4:37:25 AM
Took my rebuilt (rebuilt, not restored) 1930s DL-1 out for its first proper ride early last Sunday. Fantastic. I felt alive. This is what bikes do. The world is different from the top of a DL-1. regards, Pete.