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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   Back to reality posted by: Fred on 5/21/2000 at 8:08:45 AM
After 2 1/2 days of travel and 1350 miles I am finally back in the North after 6 1/2 months in the sun. It was, ugh! 46 degrees here and a chill rain. The first thing I did on arrival was rescue my old Hercules racer and big Raleigh GP from the rack and get them under cover. The Fuji DS and Centurion Iron Man stayed warm and dry in side the van. After a partial unloading, I said hello to some beautys I keep in the family room-my near mint green Sports, my custom "Juice" 6 speed, my beloved Fuji Allegro and finally my lovely Schwinn World Sport. Reposing under cover they are just as I left them last fall. After a while I remembered that I have two more bikes in the spare bedroom, a restored CCM 3 speed, and one of my favorites, mein kustom Ostereichen (Austrian), 6 speed. What a pleasure it is to see these old friends again, it was almost like Christmas. Now, if it warms up a little I have a bunch of bikes in the loft to say hello to. I long to see my DL-1 and the rest of the Raleigh gang again along with the Schwinn group. I can't wait until I can ride every one but the grass is hay and there are winters ravages to see to. All in good time. Its good to be home

   RE:MISC:   Back to reality posted by Paul M. on 5/21/2000 at 10:32:26 PM
Glad you made it back home safely. I always enjoy reading your comments and hearing about your impressive collection of bikes.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Back to reality posted by Kevin C. on 5/23/2000 at 5:00:51 AM
Fred--Welcome back. Go Boilers!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Glider posted by: Pat St-Martin on 5/21/2000 at 5:56:18 AM
I'm looking for information on the Glider bicycle that was around my village when I was a kid in the late fifties. It was a three speed with thumb shifter and gears in the hub (Sturmey-Archer?). It was metallic red with chrome fenders that came to a peak. If ny memory serves me well, the crest was oval with the name glider slanting up to the right. The local dealer in old bikes tells me it was manufactured in England and sold in Canada by the Eaton's chain of department stores. I've never seen one again, but if I find one I just might be interested.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Glider posted by Fred on 5/21/2000 at 8:00:52 AM
Pat; A friend of mine who lives in London, Ontario has a 70's 10 speed Glider sold by Eatons. It is a very good quality bike with stainless steel wheels and fenders. The layout is Dutch style (my friend is a Dutch Canadian) with a split seat. A 3 speed Glider would be a fine bike if you can find one.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Glider posted by Warren on 5/21/2000 at 10:33:12 AM
Pat...as Fred has already confirmed they were an Eatons brand made by Raleigh for the longest time. The Glider line included almost all of the Raleigh models with the exception of rod brake bikes. However I just picked up a very old single speed roadster with double top tube, handlebar "crossbar" and front fork support bars. This bike is also a Glider...same design on the headbadge but it does not have Raleighs proprietary trademark bottom brakets, thread pitch or branding of components. I would love to know who made the line before Raleigh...maybe it was just "Glider". Anyway, I see these bikes often...contact me off list if you want me to find a specific model, size etc.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Matsuri FUNdamental posted by: DD on 5/20/2000 at 6:32:04 PM
Just bought a strong looking, good condition 10 speed at a garage sale called a Matsuri, which means "festival" in Japanese, I've discovered in my search for information on this bike. But I can't find anything on the web about such a maker. Anybody ever heard of this manufacturer? Anybody got any help at all about this bike. It looks like a well-built cycle, well taken care of. It's functional, I'd just like a bit of info. on the maker or where it came from. Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Matsuri FUNdamental posted by DD on 5/26/2000 at 7:50:01 PM
on inspection, found out this bike is made by Nissan. Any other information about Nissan bikes would be great. Thanks

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need info on A.M.F. Hercules posted by: tom mcdermott on 5/20/2000 at 9:26:22 AM
trying to determine age, value of a ladies hercules bike. leather saddle with tag "special bicycle". sturmey archer hub, with # 71 "space" 5 . 3 speed. numbers on frame under saddle= 2796145. thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need info on A.M.F. Hercules posted by Warren on 5/20/2000 at 8:51:29 PM
Tom...your Hercules was likely assembled in 1971 if the rear wheel looks to be original.IMHO,its value ranges from $20 to $120 depending on its condition and how badly a buyer wants it. The saddle, probably a B66...if in good condition can be worth more than the bike to some collectors...ie ME. I've purchased more than a couple of bikes just for the parts to put on other more desireable mounts.

AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by: George Mceachern on 5/18/2000 at 6:34:34 PM
Too all Robin Hood owners I,ve got an old green straight speed Robin Hood bike and I'm lookin to find out more about it. Thankz too all that can help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by Keith on 5/19/2000 at 8:48:55 AM
Robin Hood was a low-end brand made by Raleigh. Low-end does NOT mean it was poor quality -- the frame on all of these 26" Raleigh 3-speeds are virtually identical -- same lugs, same steel. Rather, low-end generally means the lack of more deluxe features found on the Superbe and Sports models, such as real leather saddles, braze-ons for pumps, use of less-sought-after "box" Dunlop rims instead of "Raleigh pattern" rims (I'm not sure why this is so -- my subjective experience is that the box rims may actually be stronger), bolted fender stays instead of welded, and other details. IMHO, I think it's worth owning at least one Robin Hood just for the unique headbadge!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/23/2000 at 4:42:55 PM
I love this particular headbadge. I found one bike that was never assembled (a girls model) It was asleep under the stairwell of an old shop since 1954. It had the pedals inverted like they packed it at factory. The box had rotted away,the rims were rusted beyond hope so I risked my neck getting up on this tall ladder trying to hook a N.O.S. set hanging up on the wall. I laced these 26 X 1 1/4 hard to find rims into the bike with the origonal alloy hub. This was the most beautiful shade of green/blue! Some of the early Raleigh Robin Hood bicycles were spectacular.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by Tamara on 5/24/2000 at 10:16:46 AM
I love the Robin Hood head badge! I just recently acquired a 21" '63 model in lovely shape. It's got a twist-grip gear shift, and I'm just wondering if it's worth it or even possible to try and convert it to the SA thumb-shifter type. Anybody have any opinions or info about this type of conversion? Maybe it's not even worth worrying about, but I've been mulling it over and thought I'd throw it in for discussion.
On another note: I decided against purchasing the Dl-1 after considering all the important issues brought up by the good folks here. Thanks again! Actually, the bike isn't the one found by ChristopherRobin on ebay, but that one does look incredibly cool. Should make an incredible restoration project for the right person!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by Fred on 5/25/2000 at 2:39:47 AM
I don't see a problem with changing to a thumb shifter. As for authenticity, did this model come with either shifter, and does it matter to you? I too am not a fan of twist grip shifters. At one time I thought they were a good thing but upon using one decided I didn't like them. I initially fit SRAM twist grip shifters on my Fuji DS but changed to Rapidfires after a trial ride. The action just doesn't feel natural to me.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by Tamara on 5/25/2000 at 9:27:55 AM
Yes, the RH came with a grip shift with the usual H,N,L marks to designate (I'm guessing), gears 1-3. I'd really prefer to have a Sturmey Archer thumb trigger shift atop of the handlebars instead of in teh grip. I used to have a mountain bike set up with a grip shift and never quite got used to it.
I figure i'll watch out for some NOS (or gently used stock -- GUS ;) on ebay and see if I can get ahold of an older SA 3-speed shifter. One "minor" problem is I have no idea how to change out one for the other, but I figure I can find the info somewhere (Sheldon's site?) or, last resort, have my local bike shop do it. If it's not too difficult, I'd like to try my hand at it...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Robin Hood Bikes posted by Keith on 5/25/2000 at 11:57:02 AM
Harris Cyclery (the shop where Sheldon works) will sell you a brand new Sturmey Archer trigger shift and cable and whatever else you need. I also imagine many of those who frequent this site have older ones (nice all-metal ones -- I may even have an extra -- I'll check).

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   tires posted by: sam on 5/18/2000 at 12:44:02 PM
Master Christopher Robin,you have talked of how it is increasing hard to find 28"X 1 1/2" tires & you order yours.Can I be so bold as to ask what they sell for? sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 28 X 1 1/2  tires posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/21/2000 at 10:13:47 AM
I believe that these sell for $20.00 each these days. In the past, before the internet I had to visit shops all over in search of tires, brake pads, parts, e.t.c. and I found a lot of places did not stock even the most basic Strurmey-Archer parts like cables. These tires are not stocked in 80 percent of the bike shops. Some shops in my area do not stock 26 X 1 3/8 E.A.3 tires also! You have to hunt for a lot of things. Please do not take me literally when I say "impossible to find" These are still being made and you can get a wide range of tires including 28 X 1 1/2 from Sheldon.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   tires posted by sam on 5/21/2000 at 11:18:08 AM
Christopher Robin,I thank you for the return to my question.Please stay with me on this , I have a chance to buy some at a lot less!But I do not own a Raleigh My 28" bike is an Eastman.I know some of the group could benefit from buying tires at what they sell for in Mexico.E-mail me at samclingo@hotmail.com and I'll tell you the price I got them for and some other questions I need answered before I commit to anything.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh bike posted by: Cecil McKenna on 5/17/2000 at 3:38:02 PM
I'm looking for any info on a bike made by raleigh called the space rider. I got it from a customer of mine free. is it worth fixing ?,not that it needs alot of work.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh bike posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/18/2000 at 6:39:10 AM
The Raleigh Space Rider is a childrens bike, usually red or blue, single speed or a 3 speed I believe it has 24 inch wheels. If you got it for free and if it is complete and only needs tires and a good cleaning and adjustment.I would say it is worth the money and effort. I would find someone who could use it, donate it to charity, garage sale it. or keep it. These are no longer made. I do not know the value, these turn up on E-bay and I think folks are using this as a guide.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh bike posted by cecil mckenna on 5/19/2000 at 3:04:18 PM
you told me a little about a bike called the space rider you said they werent being made any more can you tell me when they stopped making them im trying to date this bike. thank for your help.

   When did Raleigh stop making the Space Rider? posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/21/2000 at 10:18:22 AM
One way to date the bike is by looking on the rear 3 speed hub. It will be stamped with the month and year. Unless someone switched rear wheels on you, this is when the bike was made.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by: Kent on 5/16/2000 at 10:27:43 PM
I've got a '51 Hercules that is a pleasure to ride but sadly lacks a chain guard and fenders. Any suggestions of where I might find these?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Kevin C. on 5/17/2000 at 7:48:23 PM
Go to the VVVintage-oldroads homepage here and check out the English bicycle parts. They have fenders and chainguards for sale that would probably fit.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/18/2000 at 6:43:49 AM
How does it look for being a half century old? When I am 50, will I need my bearing cups replaced and regreased? Will I need a new spindle? Will my cranks still be straight? When I need a new chain, will it hurt? Maybee I will make it if I do not hit any curbs and I stay out of the rain.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by phil on 5/18/2000 at 1:19:02 PM
I am a little past 50 and my bearing cups have yet to be replaced.
My spindle is broken and my crank is bent.
My seat is cracked but well broken in.
My spokes need re-trueing and there's rust on my wheels.
My dynahub is erratic and my lights are dimming.
But my ride is still smooth and my pace is steady.
Let's do another 50, I'm definitely ready.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Wings on 5/18/2000 at 8:56:45 PM
Oh My!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/19/2000 at 7:11:07 AM
Lets all give him a round of applause!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Keith on 5/19/2000 at 8:52:56 AM
Yes, Bravo! Similar experience: My seat used to be narrow and well-suited for racing. Now it's wider and has a lot more padding.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules posted by Kevin C. on 5/19/2000 at 3:07:33 PM
Young or old, they're all cracked.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Three speed jerry-rig?? posted by: Oscar on 5/16/2000 at 3:42:40 PM
Greetings Three Speeders,

I saw a Raleigh Sports parked in front of the bank this afternoon. I looked like someone replaced the S-A trigger with a vintage Huret top tube mount derailleur shifter. The shifter had a cable which went around the pulley and into the indicator chain.

Weird, huh? The owner wasn't around, and you can't just examine stranger's bikes on the city street, so I didn't catch the whole set up.

So, now I'm curious. Can this work?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Three speed jerry-rig?? posted by Keith on 5/17/2000 at 1:04:31 PM
I assume it would work -- you're just trying to change the position of the indicator rod by pulling the cable. As I recall the Rev. Sheldon Brown used a bar con shifter for one of his Sturmey equiped bikes because he didn't want a Sturmey trigger on the drop bars. Check his bikes for this.

AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by: Tamara on 5/16/2000 at 9:02:10 AM
Hello all!

Love this site! I just found it a few weeks ago and have tuned in every day to get my fix! I'm a newbie to these most excellent works of art and utility after having been a Schwinn fan for many years. I lived in Norway for a time and fell in love with the rows of old black, elegant English bikes that lined the bike racks outside the university. At that point, I didn't have the foresight to really check them out since I was such a balloon-bike afficiando, but I always loved their classic lines. Anyway, I finally stumbled upon a DL-1 recently and realized, with a start, that this was the exact bike I had admired and secretly coveted for many years....
And therein lies my question: I have an opportunity to purchase a DL-1 from the 30s for $300. It's a woman's frame, in great shape, with just a few scratches on the fenders. Rear baskets are included, though no pump, and everything seems to be original and in good shape, down to the rod brakes, enclosed chaincase and pinstriping/decals. The price seems to skirt right along the edge of affordability and value for me (before plunging into the "do I really need this bike?!" abyss), and I just wanted to check in with the experts before making my decision.
Any feedback would be very much appreciated and held in the highest regard! Thanks!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/16/2000 at 9:47:14 AM
This sounds like a good one. The bike is pre-war and with the enclosed chainguard. Are all the pieces there? (So often the enclosed chainguard is found to be missing slides and the pie-plate which covers the crank)Does this have the holes alongside the rear fender(mudguard)? This is for string to go through so that the lady rider does not get her skirt caught in the rear wheel. This sounds like a fair deal and I would check it out to see if there are any dents or if the fork is bent. If you take your hands off the handlebars and the bike dives to one side or another then you have a bent fork or something is not right and that is something you want to steer away from. It is possible to find a fork for the bike, but who wants to go thru the bother? How is the chrome plating? For $300.00 it should be too bad, not too much wear.Just a little dirt and very light rust only. You can take a 000 (tripple zero) steel wool pad(found at your local hardware store) with some dishsoap and have it gleaming like new. Be sure to sit on the bike and take it for a spin and be sure you like it. Some of the earlier ladies frames had tall headtubes and so the handlebars are higher and this can be a bit uncomfortable to ride if you are a bit too short. How tall are you? If you are tall and leggy this is a great bike!! You want to be sure you are getting a good fit with this bike. Some of the later day examples are diffrent with a smaller length headtube and so the bike is set up a bit diffrent and the handlebars are not so high up. This might be better for you if you are shorter. I dunno, Have you ridden this bike? What does it feel like? are you comfortable. If the bike calls out to you "Come lets go out for a spin" and you are really happy with it, then go for it!!! You won't be sorry. This is the place to ask questions and get shifter cables from if you need em.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/16/2000 at 9:57:09 AM
You want to steer away from pitted or badly rusted chrome plating. Also what does this hub say on it? If the bike is from the 1930's then you are going to have a collector's piece in the rear wheel. It should be a K series hub (example K-4 OR A K-7 Sturmey-Archer 3 speed hub.) Take your finger and wipe away the grime on the outside of the rear hub there will be stamped letters. If this hub is not a K-series then someone switched hubs on you. While it is really cool to be getting a bike this old there may be some slight hitches in getting the rear hub rebuilt and you have to know the right people to get parts for these old time hubs. This is not a real problem and please let us know here if you need parts. I would switch the rear hub if you intend to commte on this bike. I would set the hub aside as a shelf piece if you have any trouble with it. Please let us know all about this one.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Tamara on 5/16/2000 at 11:12:34 AM
Thank you for the great information! I'll check on all those details and keep you posted. I didn't think about the headtube length being an issue, but that is a good point since I'm definitely on the petite side (5'3"); that issue just might affect my final decision. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the bike (we're exchanging e-mail), but I've seen a photo, and I can definitely ask those questions of the seller. I guess the one disadvantage I have is not being able to actually ride the bike before deciding...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Keith on 5/16/2000 at 11:24:09 AM
Do any of us really NEED more than one bike? Do we even need one? But at least some of us view these machines with a reverence that others would reserve for fine works of art -- we admire them for their thoughtful engineering, their rich history, and their simple beauty. So just as more than one painting hanging in your home is okay, so it is also okay to have more than one bicycle in your garage (or hanging in your home and office, if you're like me). As for condition, I'd echo Christopher Robin's warning: beware of significant rust, i.e., deeper than light surface rust that can be removed with elbow grease using crumpled aluminum foil or brass wool. Deep rust on part means replacement -- and spare parts aren't plentiful -- or rechroming, which isn't cheap. Deep rust on or inside a frame is a terminal condition.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by phil on 5/16/2000 at 11:58:16 AM
Tamara, at 5'3" I'm going to guess the DL-1 might be a little tall. Perhaps a Sports might be more to your size. Personally, I'm 5'8", and love the bigger bikes, but for riding around town (sidewalks, parked cars, congestion) I prefer to use my nimble Sports. Of course the rideability (ignoring the lack of real braking power) of the DL-1 on my local country roads is a pleasure.

ChristopherRobin has some excellant points about a 30's antique. Perhaps not the best choice for an everyday, knockaround bike. But definitly cool.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Kevin C. on 5/16/2000 at 3:42:52 PM
I agree with Phil. The Raleigh Sports is, to me, a safer, less expensive and more practical bicycle for everyday use. I love the DL-1, but cable brakes are a lot more reliable than rod brakes. The 1930s DL-1 is probably worth the money as a collector's item, but it's certainly no "knockabout" bike.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Tamara on 5/16/2000 at 4:07:28 PM
You guys are gems -- thank for tips and advice. Good food for thought! I'll let y'all know what I decide... I have to admit that i'm totally smitten with the amazing lines of the DL-1 and very appreciative of its rich history, but it's good to know that it's not an everyday sort of bike that one would just hop on and off of in any kind of weather or traffic condition. A bit more mulling over the details is needed here before I decide....

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/16/2000 at 4:34:28 PM
I think that you may want to find another rod brake ladies bike.Something with 26 inch wheels, enclosed chainguard,rack,and a bell. Or a cable brake Raleigh Sports or a Raleigh Superbe also a cable brake bike. You can get an enclosed chainguard with these bikes also and you would have cable brakes that are a bit safer. I know what has happened here, you found a relly nice old Raleigh Tourist and you fell in love with it but this particular beast is not your size. Hang on be patient and you will find the bike of your dreams.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Keith on 5/17/2000 at 6:17:40 AM
I agree with Kevin that a Sports is a safer ride -- anyone riding rod brakes must always be aware of their limited stopping power, especially in wet weather. But there's no doubt that the DL-1 (that's the gent's model, isn't it -- what was the ladies?) is a more graceful, beautiful machine. If you're riding every day in all kinds of conditions, get a Sports (I got a clean one for my wife on Ebay for $15). If your going to take ocassional rides to the local cafe in nice weather, then the DL-1 is the more elegant alternative. The very best thing to do is get (at least) one of each.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/17/2000 at 7:48:10 AM
The Ladies version of the Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. is called the D.L.1. L (L for ladies)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Fred on 5/17/2000 at 6:20:58 PM
Tamara: I would be careful about judging condition from a photo or from a strangers assesment. Photos lie as do some people. Then there is the posibility that the sellers opinions are far afield from the norm and that can swing either way. I would consider earlier recommendations on size and fit unless you just have to have this one.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Fred on 5/17/2000 at 6:21:18 PM
Tamara: I would be careful about judging condition from a photo or from a strangers assesment. Photos lie as do some people. Then there is the posibility that the sellers opinions are far afield from the norm and that can swing either way. I would consider earlier recommendations on size and fit unless you just have to have this one.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Tamara on 5/18/2000 at 5:35:58 PM
Dear Fred and other sage roadsters,

Thanks for the wise advice. Your comments have given me pause and helped me to make a more informed bicycle-buying decision. I think I may hold off on the DL-1 for now, broaden my horizon to include Sports and other models, and wait until I can actually ride a DL-1 before sinking money into one. They are beautiful bikes and I may eventually pick one up just for their old-world aesthetic -- even if the fit isn't exactly right for long hours spent gazing at the world rolling by from atop the saddle.

Thanks again and ride on!


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by Kevin C. on 5/20/2000 at 7:42:44 AM
"Old-world aesthetic" is exactly right. Most of us DL-1 folks wouldn't be caught dead on an Apple Krate.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 purchasing opportunity posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/22/2000 at 6:37:10 AM
Well, We finally get a look at the bike because it is on E- bay! I like this model, the top tube shifter alone is worth $25.00. It is a shame about the chrome plating on the rims, it is in an advanced state of decay. You can scare up rims, and the bike is nice. I understand why Tamara wanted it.

MISC:   Amis... any views? posted by: red on 5/15/2000 at 10:32:31 PM
I know Amis brand chainless bikes were mentioned here once before (http://www.chainless.com/). Probably because of their 28" wheels. I was wondering if anyone has ever bought one of these bikes. If so, then I would like to hear what you think of it as I am pondering whether to buy one myself.

   RE:MISC:   Amis... any views? posted by Keith on 5/16/2000 at 5:52:53 AM
I got one of their brochures. I think 28" really means 700c.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Anticipation posted by: Fred on 5/15/2000 at 7:35:31 PM
Finally, we are preparing to leave a rapidly warming Florida and return to a cooler clime and some fine bikes I haven't played with for over 6 months. Specifically, the near mint green sports I bought only days before leaving. Since I was not bringing the green one south, I brought a black one that while mechanically perfect and absolutely original, was a bit shabby from bad storage. I find that if a bike is a bit shabby, no one here appreciates it regardless of its other attributes. I'm sure the green Sports would garner a fair amount of appreciation though it be for the shine not the bike. I'll have to decide whether to expose the bike to use and bring it down next year or leave it home in the family room with other hanger queens. I like shine also.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Anticipation posted by ART on 5/16/2000 at 7:53:28 AM
Your comment on shabby bikes is not being appreciated is echoed here. What continually amazes me is that many guys on modern high end road bikes not only disdain any other biker on the road, but seem to have no appreciation for classic road machines. I don't know where that superior attitude comes from, but I try not to buy into it. Around here in Az, there are two kinds of unusual bikes and riders who I've come to appreciate. The one is the old burned dropped handle bar bike, usually ridden by an old burned out white guy who lost his license to too many DUI's. The bike is characterized by excessive squeaking and the drop bars turned upwards and backwards. The other is the lowest level of mountain bike made by Huffy or some name brand I've never heard of. Often the bike is a moving piece of junk. Young guys usually ride these and most of them can't speak a lot of English. But these riders are true racers. I get drilled by these guys on ocassion and they're always smiling!! Yesterday I rode up on a guy on a girl's free spirit. He had a car battery in each of the rear baskets and a four speaker wooden box bungee chorded to the rear rack. He had a car radio strapped to the handlebars. I had to go into a ditch to pass him because he was going so slow and he had Arrowsmith blasting so loud he couldn't here me yelling at him from behind. I love shabby bikes.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Anticipation posted by Keith on 5/16/2000 at 11:37:47 AM
I'd probably be embarrased if a real collector visited me and saw my bikes. One of my favorites is a '65 Dunelt -- it is intact, and I've cleaned it, but it shows its age -- there's a light coating of rust on the mudguards, and plenty of paint blems, some touched up (inartfully) and some not. And 'm not going to repaint. It's part of the character of the bike. Really, I can't think of a single bike I have that's 100% perfect, NOS or whatever. Each has it's dings and signs of wear, incorrect (but working) parts, and the like. As I recall, Fred comes from a car restoration background, and has the skills to make a painted surface look better than new. That's great! There's room to admire that, but at the same time appreciate a fine bicycle that's been well-used but well-cared-for.

AGE / VALUE:   Humber on Ebay posted by: Kevin C. on 5/15/2000 at 6:30:52 PM
The 28-inch Humber on eBay fetched $250 plus shipping. It looked like it needed a ton of work but what an unusual old beast!

   Hey you can't disparage my bike ! posted by Ray on 5/16/2000 at 12:56:10 PM
Just kidding. I take my bikes personally (or so my wife says). Yes this bike needs work but it is all there sans tires. If you have ever seen one of these restored then you would realize what a beauty is hiding under this old surface. I recently saw one fully restored and I can tell you they wanted a lot more than $250 for it. Rather than call her an "Unusual Old Beast" I like to think of her as experienced but cosmetically challenged ;)

   RE:Hey you can't disparage my bike ! posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/18/2000 at 1:21:47 PM
Interesting, You saw one full restored? Painted, decaled,gold and red box lining the works? Can you let me know who has this and who did the restoration work? I very much would like to see this bike.

   You can't disparage this at all because It's a Humber! posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/18/2000 at 1:37:37 PM
I asked a friend who supplied these to shops and he told me that "the bike itself was not really special, but that fork, they went Ga-Ga over that fork!" He remembered this fork being popular and it still is. The man is there to take orders and to keep the shop supplied. I only ask a question or two then I say Good day. It's like having a genie out of the bottle and looking at me. I wish I could get him to follow this discussion group and contribute. He saw all of this stuff first hand and is so informed from all the years of experience.

   Jim Huntington's bike show posted by Ray on 5/18/2000 at 7:52:35 PM
Chris, I saw the bike at the Jim Huntington show in Mass which is the first show of the season here in the NE.
It was early February and I did not get the name of the person who owned the bike but Jim would probably know and I see him at least 3 times a year.
Next time I will ask him. I will see if I can come up with his number somewhere but will not post it without his permission.
The bike was georgeous and looked like it just came out of the box.

AGE / VALUE:   Two vintage Raleigh Sports posted by: Bill on 5/15/2000 at 5:50:07 PM
I have two Raleigh Sports in excellent condition Man's is a 1973 & womans 1974. What are they worth?

FOR SALE:   Old Humber goes tonight posted by: Ray on 5/15/2000 at 7:38:09 AM
Check out my auction on ebay of this real collectible Brit bike with double tube sprung fork and Brooks woven spring saddle, Atlas chainring, glass reflector, surround chainguard, rod front brake, 28" clincher rims. Un molested original that needs some TLC to bring back to a real classic.