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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   shipping, etc posted by: Bridget on 5/29/2000 at 8:32:17 PM
I grew up in Ireland, cycling a beautiful old 28" Black Raleigh, I cycled to school, checked cattle, did shopping for neighbours, carried creamery cans on the handlebars, etc. I am 34 yrs old - married now happily in the US, and am now getting my son into the old fashioned bikes as the kids call them. Well anyway - I located a 28" raleigh in Aurora Il, I live in Dutchess County NY - What is the best way to get this shipped? And how much will it cost, and will I really need to have it taken apart, boxed, and then put back together - Is there a way of shipping it in one piece. I was thinking of driving down - but the thought of a 15 hour drive with 3 kids is a little daunting. I currently have, 4 various huffys, a robin hood Raleigh, a beautiful schwinn, and a Sears Roebuck. The Raleigh will round my collection, - (my hubby can't figure out this thing I have for bikes!) Any help or info is appreciated.

   RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by Paul M on 5/29/2000 at 9:38:06 PM
Hi Bridget,

I don't know of a way of shipping it without being crated. Perhaps one of the other readers does. I bought a Raleigh Sports bike (26" wheels) from a chap in Massachusetts. He removed the seat, the handlebars, the front fender and the headlight and packed it all nicely in a carton in which he had received a mountain bike. It arrived in good condition here in New Orleans and did not take much re-assembling. I think the UPS shipping cost was $25 or a little less.

   RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by Paul M. on 5/29/2000 at 9:47:06 PM
Come to think of it, he may have had to remove the front wheel also, but all the parts fit in that one cardboard box.

   RE:RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by Wings on 5/30/2000 at 12:25:29 AM
Bikes are "the Cycle of Life." What goes around comes around. Pure beauty that is functional! Perhaps your hubby needs counseling?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by Wings on 5/30/2000 at 12:34:12 AM
Are both towns near a railroad connection? Or could the bike be shipped out of Chicago by passenger train. Many of the Ebay Bike sales people find shipping on the baggage car of a passenger train cheaper and better than other ways. The train company also (Union Pacific doe here) has special bike boxes that take your bike with only the handlebar turned 90 degrees. The bike is placed in the baggage car and you would wait for that train at the station and they would take the boxed bike off for you to pick up. Perhaps this could work out. If it requires changing from one train to another I don't know if I would do it.
The other option is to leave the kids with hubby and take a drive! :) Better yet, a weekend family outing. Work in a museum or something also.
Good luck. I am on the West coast and have no knowledge east of Chicago. Perhaps some Old Roads people in the area could help with more information.

   RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by Kevin C. on 5/30/2000 at 5:15:30 AM
There is far less danger of damage if a bicycle is shipped in two boxes: one for the wheels, one for the rest of the bike. Have a bike shop in your town put it together again; that would be cheaper and easier than a 15 hour drive with three munchkins.

   RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by phil on 5/30/2000 at 5:58:17 AM
Bridget, congratulations on your find. Shipping is easy, as long as you have a seller who is willing to partially disassemble the bike and pack it, or willing to take it to a bike shop for packing. Remove the front wheel, pedals, and handlebar. Removing the handlebars with rod brakes will require taking the brake rods apart at the "middle" connection. Leave the rest of the brake parts attached to the bars. Remove the thumb shifter from the bars and tape it to the frame. Put all loose parts in a small box to enclose or better yet, don't have loose parts by puting parts (nuts, etc) back where they came off. Get a used "bike box" from a bike shop and pack everything carefully, wrapping and stuffing to prevent pieces banging together, getting caught in the spokes, etc. For stuffing, newspaper is fair, packing peanuts are a mess, leftover home insulation batting works great, or sheets of packing bubbles also work great. Tape the bike box completly, leaving no un-taped edges. Take to a UPS shipping center and give them about $40-45. You can get exact shipping costs by inputing your zip codes at www.ups.com. If after you get the bike, you have any trouble re-assembling it, just check back here and we'll be happy to help. Don't fear, you'll soon be riding just as if you we're 15 again.

   RE:RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/30/2000 at 8:27:02 AM
I would ask the seller to ship this to you U.P.S. Have him go to a bike shop and get a bicycle box(free) and take the front wheel off, the handlebars cannot be turned sideways because of the rod linkage so have them removed and wraped in bubble wrap. I would have remove the front fork so to eliminate the small chance of it getting bent. The front wheel, and other parts can go in the second smaller box. This would be about 25.00 or so if it all goes in one box but I would spend a bit more and have it shiped in two boxes just to be on the safe side. Stay with us and let us know how this turns out.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   shipping, etc posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/30/2000 at 8:31:16 AM
I would think that this one is too far away to drive to. Especially with children in the car, Ask the seller to describe this as best as he can. For the cost in gasoline, time, lodging e.t.c. You could put the money away for another bike.

AGE / VALUE:   How old is my Phillips bicycle posted by: Scott Phillips on 5/29/2000 at 4:09:53 PM
I have a Phillips bicycle and I would like to know how old it is. It has a serial number under the seat post on the frame - 4611BU. It has rod brakes, two top bars, 28 inch wheels, and the interesting thing...it has another large crank or cog on the rear wheel (opposite side of the chain) that looks like it had a motor at one time. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks so much Scott...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is my Phillips bicycle posted by Warren on 5/29/2000 at 7:19:37 PM
Very interesting bike! You didn't mention what type of rear hub you have.(Bayliss Wiley or Philips?). Your bike could be sporting a flip/flop rear wheel...this allows a relatively quick change from a coaster freewheel to either fixed gear or an alternate gearing ratio using a different sized cog.This setup is unlikely on a rod brake roadster...there is nothing quick about flipping those wheels. However if you look at vintage motorcycles, you will see that the early motorbikes were often modified bicycles with double top tubes, rod brakes with a rear motor linked to the left side of the rear wheel.If your opposite side cog is really big your guess is likely correct. Find a good magazine shop and pick up this months "Classic Bikes" (motorcycles) out of Britain. There's an article on early British motorbikes and some pictures of a small museum. There are many references to "bicycle" marques like Rudge, Hirondelle, Motobecane, Triumph,(of course) and even a 1924 350 cc Raleigh ! True! The earliest motorbike was a 1901 Singer... you can see the rod brakes, crank and sprung saddle. So it is possible that your bike was motorized and then decommisioned.It could have historical value as well.Nice bike!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is my Phillips bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/30/2000 at 8:16:34 AM
What size frame is this? A pal of mine has a "Phillips Royal Imperial" this is a monstrous 28 inch frame with the 28inch wheels! In all my hunting, I only have 2 bikes with double top tubes and 28 inch wheels! This is a very good find, extra special bike. We have a winner here folks! Please take a picture and post it here if you can. This very well could have been set up for use with some kind of motor. After all, this does have the double top tube frame. Where did you find this one?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is my Phillips bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/30/2000 at 9:52:03 AM
Yes! I recommend you get "The Motor Cycle" magazine from England and check out the Ad for "Veralls Motorcycles"

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How old is my Phillips bicycle posted by sam on 5/30/2000 at 5:30:07 PM
I'll add that bikes made under the Phillips name (with the double top tube & 28"wheels)were made in mexico for a number of years.Check the bike close.--Sam

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge/Raleigh Bicycle posted by: Fred Siene on 5/29/2000 at 6:41:11 AM
Hello, My name is Fred. I was wondering if someone could help me. I came across an old Rudge Bicycle that has a brooks seat marked B66 and it was made by Raleigh Industries, Ltd. It has the owners manual and a leather bag attached. From the info in the manual it was used on the Princeton Campus for Transportation. It has a serial number 76512 Ax. From the info in the manual it appears to be missing a headlight. The man who owned it was the second owner and he claims it is from the around the 1940's. It also is an Archey Sturmey three speed and is in good condition with minimal surface rust to the chrome. It has most of its original paint and decals or badges. I am a pedal car collector so I think that my estimate of condition is done with confidence and some knowledge. Any info you can give me will be greatly appreciated. I would like to know a value and a time period. Thanks in advance.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge/Raleigh Bicycle posted by sam on 5/30/2000 at 6:30:08 AM
Fred,you can date the bike by the sturmey archey hub. check the archives for more info.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge/Raleigh Bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/30/2000 at 8:20:07 AM
Does this have the rod-brake set up or is it a cable brake bike? What size wheels? What color? Mens or ladies? any extras like a bell or lights? a rear rack?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge/Raleigh Bicycle posted by Fred Siene on 5/30/2000 at 9:09:01 AM
The bicycle is black with some white on rear fender. The bike has a rear saddle bag also a brooks product. The bike also has black chain guard with rudge whitworth written on it. It also has the bicycle pump attached to the frame. Any idea on value of this bike. Thanks Fred

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge/Raleigh Bicycle posted by Fred Siene on 5/30/2000 at 9:09:40 AM
The bicycle is black with some white on rear fender. The bike has a rear saddle bag also a brooks product. It is a mens bicycle.It has the cable brake setup.The bike also has black chain guard with rudge whitworth written on it. It also has the bicycle pump attached to the frame. Any idea on value of this bike. Thanks Fred

MISC:   Memorial Day Picnic posted by: phil on 5/29/2000 at 4:58:49 AM
It's Memorial Day and my wife's family is coming over for a cookout. This morning my wife said, "Can you put training wheels on something for Nathan (nephew, age4)? It would be fun if we could all go for a ride."

Great!! I'll put training wheels on a little 16" discount store bike that we call the "clown" bike (it has a full size seat on it and makes my older boy look like a clown act when he fools around on it). My youngest son, 6, can ride his 20" Raleigh. My next son, 9, can ride a 24" Raleigh Colt (1971), my daughter another Colt (1972), cousin April will get a 1965?? Hawthorne, my wife a 1952 Sports with rod brakes, sister-in-law I'll put on a mid-60's Schwinn Breeze, my 6'5" brother-in-law on a 1948 Norman (DL-1 type), and I'll take my 70' Sports with the wire "paper-boy baskets" on the back.

No sense in trying to get my wife's parents on anything. Her mother, now in her 70's, never learned to ride a bike!! Can you imagine??

Happy Memorial Day. Especially to you vets, thank you.

AGE / VALUE:   sports model posted by: chris on 5/28/2000 at 7:16:29 PM
i bought a sports model at a thrift store 2 years ago. is knowing the exact year important when going in for repairs? its missing the pump but otherwise is in very good condition. I've seen Kenda tires mentioned in other messeges, are they worth seekig out? thanks for any info.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sports model posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/30/2000 at 8:21:48 AM
Kenda tires are good tires. If you can find them in the local shops I would get a new set.

AGE / VALUE:   Phillips made in Birmingham posted by: Tina Reeves on 5/28/2000 at 1:10:05 PM
Two years ago I bought 2 bicycles for a dollar at an estate auction. One was a little boys bicycle, that with a new tire and a new seat was ready for action. The second is an older bicycle that I would appreciate information on. On the rear fender there is a metal plate that has the name Phillips and Birmingham. It also has a lion and says made in England. The "neck?" also has a metal plate with a raised lion giving the same names Phillips and Birmingham. The seat has a metal tag with the name Messinger on it and it is a seat with metal coils underneath. Could someone please tell me more about it.

Thank you

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips made in Birmingham posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/30/2000 at 8:35:22 AM
Very good! You picked up a bike worth having for next to nothing. I am jealous of your good fortune.If this has rod-operated brakes it is worth more then if it has cable brakes. Still a cable brake Phillips bike is a cool bike. Thes sell on E-bay for around $50.00 and up. I would keep it and ride it this summer. Have fun.

AGE / VALUE:   want mid-1950s Raleigh 3-speed Sports posted by: Robert J. Caldwell on 5/28/2000 at 11:22:46 AM
I am searching for a mid-1950s Raleigh 3-speed Sports bicycle in good (i.e., usuable) condition. I owned one as a kid then and would like to find one today. It had a click shifter on the right handlebar (handlebars were upright, by the way) and hand brakes. Color was black with lower part of fenders painted white in the English style. We called these bikes "English racers" but I am now instructed that this was not a proper description. If you know where I can find one of these bikes, please let me know. A source here in Southern California would help a lot. Thanks much.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   want mid-1950s Raleigh 3-speed Sports posted by sam on 5/30/2000 at 6:39:40 AM
try ebay #340136553

FOR SALE:   1968 Mens Raleigh Sports 3 spd posted by: Bill on 5/28/2000 at 4:46:05 AM
Have a nice 68 Sports for sale.Mens 21 in frame.Coffee brown,original cond.New Kenda gumwalls.Condition is very good.Usual minor scuffs scrapes.Looks real good.Kept indoors.$150 plus about 25 bucks shipping.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Missed out on a gem! posted by: Warren on 5/27/2000 at 6:46:44 PM
Bad Karma today...our neighbourhood had their annual garage sale today. Always an excellent time to bike hunt. Had the two little ones in the Koolstop trailer behind my Superbe. My wife had the Burley cargo trailer behind a very old original roadster of unknown make. The headtube does say "Commander" but that's all you can make out. Anyway, we were ten minutes late and as we rounded the first corner there was a petit woman in her late fifties walking a SPARKLING Tourist. I said "great bike" and she said she had just bought it at the first house for $25. I quickly offered her $50 and she said she wouldn't take $150. Sigh. The rest of the sale went similarly. Oh well not to complain too much. Got the very old Glider single speed on the road today and it is special. Drives like a truck but in a good, sturdy way.

Not to be too much of a heretic but there is something to be said for single speed roadsters. Their simplicity and grace go a long way in looking for the "perfect mount". Gears, enclosed chainguards and awkward braking systems combined with a puncture can turn a pleasant ride into a frustrating grease-fest. Of course it helps to live in a relatively flat terrain. Any comments? I rarely see any discussion about these bikes...are they rare in your neck of the woods?

AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by: Beadle on 5/27/2000 at 12:33:10 PM
Struck out with the archived posts:
Ladies, three-speed Hercules. Sturmey Archer hub: AW 71 5
Front logo says Hercules, Nottingham England.
Serial number on seat post 2876868. No rust. Caliper brakes. Black. Also has AMF decals on seat post and on chain guard. Any ideas?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by Fred on 5/27/2000 at 8:01:24 PM
What are you looking for? I posted a note and received replys on an AMF Hercules a while back. Check it out.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   J.C Penny 3 Speed posted by: Norman F. Birnberg on 5/27/2000 at 2:17:20 AM
The other day at my university I saw a 3 Speed "sports" type bicycle. This one was a J.C Penny brand! I think the Fleetwing house brand sold by the Jordan Marsh department stores were actually made by Raleigh, so I'm wondering who made the one I saw from J.C Penny. Yes, I've heard the
Sears house brand 3 Speeds were made in Austria, but this
this is the first time I've ever seen a 3 Speed under the J.C Penny marque.

I'm also curious as to how many big department stores sold these in the old days when 3 Speeds were still in vogue. Its not like I've seen any other house brand 3 Speeds around.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   J.C Penny 3 Speed posted by Gordon on 5/27/2000 at 6:39:21 AM
Montgomery Wards started selling "English lightweight" bicycles in 1950. Through the years they were advertized as being "English", "Hawthorne" or "Hercules".

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   J.C Penny 3 Speed posted by Sheldon Brown on 5/27/2000 at 10:45:55 AM
English 26" wheel 3-speeds made by Raleigh had a distinctive shaped rear dropout, which is the easiest way to identify them. There's a photo on my English Three Speed page at http://sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html

AGE / VALUE:   Wonderfull chrome plating is lurking underneath! posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/25/2000 at 6:55:28 AM
I took a look at this Raleigh pattern rim and thought that this one was really rusted. I took a steel wool pad and it was just rusty-dirt and it came off easily and there is no pitting and it shines wonderfully! My wheel came out great, I trued and overhauled the hub and fitted a new tire and hey, Im all set. I got this for free too!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wonderfull chrome plating is lurking underneath! posted by Keith on 5/25/2000 at 11:59:12 AM
How old was this one? Pre-70s, I assume?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wonderfull chrome plating is lurking underneath! posted by Fred on 5/25/2000 at 8:02:56 PM
I had the identical experience when I bought my CCM. It had sat out in the Florida damp for years and looked an absolute rat. The paint was crusty with areas of silver spray paint resulting in a camouflage effect. 5 spokes were broken in the rear wheel. All the plated parts were covered with oily dirt and grime. But long experience with antique cars told me to look deeper. What I found under all that oily grime was great, rust free chrome. Someone had apparently slathered oil all over it as a preservative. A similar thing is prevalent with old classic cars that had the Bijur chassis oiling system which periodically pumped oil to chassis points and inevitably ended up on everything. I took some heat for buying an apparent rat but the same critics loved the restored bike not recognizing it for the same bike. The moral is to look close and see beyond the superficial.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dual Kickstands posted by: JimW. on 5/23/2000 at 7:50:36 PM
A while back, I was inquiring about Trygg dual stands. Still
haven't found a source for new ones, but I found a source for
another one. Gaerlan has it at:http://members.aol.com/Travelbike/fender/fender.html
It's alloy, which is nice for weight. The Trygg is steel, and
pretty heavy. The lines of the one at Gaerlan are a little more
graceful-looking, also. The bad news-it's $35! Vintage roadsters
look a lot more dignified standing straight up, IMHO.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dual Kickstands posted by Fred on 5/25/2000 at 8:07:43 PM
Ask and ye shall receive. Thanks for the tip on where to find new center stands Jim. I will order one and let you all know if they are good or not.

MISC:   Where in the world is..... posted by: Fred on 5/23/2000 at 3:03:25 AM
Where is that delighful correspondent Clarence? We haven't heard from him in months or is he among us yet in another guise?

   RE:MISC:   Where in the world is..... posted by Keith on 5/23/2000 at 5:20:30 AM
If I'm not mistaken he never left us.

FOR SALE:   For Sale page updated posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 5/22/2000 at 2:27:28 PM
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