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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   tire posted by: sam on 5/4/2000 at 4:49:31 PM
found a used 28" tire at a junk store,cost me a buck.marked raleigh roadster made in austria.my question is this a factory tire? if so is it of any demand, like original balloon tires?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   new roadster/handlebars/forks/seatpost posted by: Warren on 5/4/2000 at 11:29:42 AM
I stopped an elderly Chinese gentleman yesterday...he spoke no English and I speak no Cantonese...or Mandarin for that matter. Anyhow I bought the double top tube, single speed Glider roadster out from under his posterior right then & there. He thought I was nuts. It has the extra tall sweeping bars with a support bar bolted across. The seatpost forms a T at the top for a horizontal mounting position. Finally the forks have dual rod supports going from the headset thru a bracket to the front fork dropouts. What special purpose, if any are there in the handlebars? Do the seatpost and fork supports give us a clue to the age? Inquiring minds like to know!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   new roadster/handlebars/forks/seatpost posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/5/2000 at 11:03:10 AM
I love how you say "bought it right out from under his posterior right there and then" Have fun with your new toy! When they do not speek the language I guess you pull out bills and point to it.

AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/4/2000 at 7:12:25 AM
Funny how I never see the childrend bikes that Raleigh and others made. Always ladies and mens frames but hardly ever do I see the "juvinile range" at garage sales. I assume this is because these get tossed out when the child gets older. A terrible shame.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: childrens bikes posted by Kevin C. on 5/5/2000 at 3:34:08 PM
Sorry, it's a boy's Mountie, with the cowboy style decals. You're right, it's like a miniature Raleigh Sports. It's still $20 plus shipping.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by Fred on 5/5/2000 at 8:26:38 PM
I don't know if it is a childs bike but I have a 10 speed Record Ace with 24 inch wheels. It is just a scaled down model with no deviations from the larger models except size. A little beauty.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by Calvert on 5/6/2000 at 3:14:52 PM
I've a couple of kid's rod-brake handle bar sets....i don't know which bike they are for but i'd be willing to part with them for dirt-cheap money or trade.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by Steve on 5/4/2000 at 10:12:47 AM
Actually, there's on Ebay right now (use "Raliegh"). It's kind of ugly...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by kevin c on 5/4/2000 at 3:38:22 PM
I have a boy's 20-inch Raleigh Rodeo lightweight, without wheels and seat, that I would love to get of my garage. Anybody interested? $20 plus shipping.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by Wings on 5/4/2000 at 8:19:00 PM
There seems to be a survival rate of 100 womens bikes for every 1 mans bike. It is also that way with the kids bikes! There are lots of girls bikes and usually in great shape! They are also cheap and are a good source of parts. Boys bikes are scarce. When you do find a boys bike the rims are dented and bent, the frame may be damaged, it may be spray painted -- boys are just a lot harder on things! I remember riding my Phantom down a stream when I was a kid! No problem, we just took it all apart, greased it, and put it back together. But we always had a couple of pieces left over. Hmmmm.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by jj on 5/5/2000 at 4:58:54 AM
The Rodeo is a "muscle bike". Post it for sale in the musclebike section. The Rodeo was Raleigh's answer to the Schwinn Sting-Ray Fastback. 20 x 1 1/38 tires and 1 or 5 speeds.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   childrens bikes posted by jj on 5/5/2000 at 5:05:40 AM
Forgot to say, if it has good original paint it is worth at least twice what you are asking for it.

Also forgot to say, I find Raleigh Mounties once in a while at yard sales. Those also have 20 x 1 1/38 tires, but have a standard mattress saddle and flat handlebars. They look like a miniature Sports.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: childrens bikes posted by Dave on 5/5/2000 at 7:22:17 AM
A year ago I saw a kids Raleigh 3 speed s/A, same Raleigh green,
same everything, just scaled down to about 2/3 size ... I did
not buy it (at a police auction -- went for $30) and still kick
myself every time I think about it

AGE / VALUE:   Heads up class! posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/4/2000 at 7:05:14 AM
Ok, class, go to E-bay look up item #323934745 Classic Raleigh 3 Speed bicycles English Imp ($999.00 opened at)No picture, it is not my auction. I do not know what is meant by a "English Imp" but for $1000.00 it has to be tasty.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Heads up class! posted by Mark R. on 5/4/2000 at 5:43:52 PM
English IMPort ? Whatever it is ,it's probably not worth $1000. But, who knows?

AGE / VALUE:   A nervy thing to do posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/4/2000 at 6:38:30 AM
"I know that bike is not part of your garage sale, but....." It worked this time! Usually they say no and get real frosty with me.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   A nervy thing to do posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/5/2000 at 10:58:08 AM
I always leave a card, things change and 3 1/2 years later they call me up.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A nervy thing to do posted by Mark R. on 5/4/2000 at 5:46:25 PM
I tried that on a guy with a Beautiful Raleigh Tourist DL-1 in his garage that he obviously naver uses, but he indeed got "frosty", down right nasty actually. I'll try again next time though!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   A nervy thing to do posted by Kevin C on 5/4/2000 at 8:01:14 PM
Next time, try, "What a nice bike. Do you know where I could find one like it?" Few people get PO'd with that approach, and you just might end up with the bike.

AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks bicycle posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/4/2000 at 6:33:11 AM
Latest bike is a Cycleworks made in Tysley, England. It is a ladies model with one top tube smaller than the other bottom tube. Strange brakes,and it has 24 t.p.i.threading and it had its chrome parts laquered and was preserved very well.I have never heard of this brand.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh brake cables posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/3/2000 at 4:16:46 PM
The earlier style of brake cables on the Raleigh Sports had a barrel type end at the lever and a tear drop at the brake itself. These are no longer available and Raleigh went to a brake without the knurled adjuster. Sheldon says to soak the cables in oil to free them up. That is fine, but I am wondering if anyone has figured out to make these. It is lead on the ends?right? This was mentioned here wasn't it? I like these old type brakes because of the cool knurled nut adjuster.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh brake cables posted by Ernie @ Bikes on Boundary Keeper of the Bones on 5/3/2000 at 8:48:03 PM
Chris,Ihave NOS cables like that.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh brake cables posted by Fred on 5/4/2000 at 7:50:54 PM
My old Hercules racer has the cables described. The barrel or cylindrical end has a cross hole in it and the cable is inserted and soldered in. The caliper end of the cable has a small diameter cylindrical section with a larger diameter spherical end that fits in a hook on the caliper arm. The knurled adjuster is trapped between the housing end and the fitting on the caliper end of the cable. This design is more expensive to produce than modern cables but is technically more attractive.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh brake cables posted by jj on 5/5/2000 at 4:56:46 AM
That is the type VVVintage is selling on the "Parts for Sale" section of this site. Look at the pictures, they have the knurled adjusting barrel.

AGE / VALUE:   He was told what to say posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/3/2000 at 3:46:42 PM
I asked this 14 year about the bike he was riding, where he got it, was it for sale? His reply was "My dad toured five states with this bike! he loves it, Oh no, He would never sell it, He'd kill me if anything happened to it. This attitude gets passed down a lot. I replied that his dad was right and that he owned a classic and I told him to tell his dad about this page.

MISC:   Watch our "For Sale" page posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 5/2/2000 at 5:03:34 PM
We've pretty much given up on the Indian Roadster idea, only single speed bicycles were available.

BUT, we're in the middle of buying a bunch of NOS Sturmey Archer parts. Keep any eye on our "Bicycles and Parts For Sale" page (the link is at the top of this page) for what we currently have.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles

WANTED:   Wolber rim posted by: Fred on 5/2/2000 at 4:39:58 AM
I posted this note in the Lightweight discussion area with no results. Since you folks seem to cover the earth regarding all kinds of bikes I'd like to post it here.

Does anyone have or know where I can get a 700 mm Wolber Super Champion Alpine wheel or rim. The front wheel on my Fuji Touring Series III looks like a potato chip.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Wolber rim posted by http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/6/2000 at 8:49:25 AM
I did get a Fiamme rim, made in Italy. It does not say the size of the rim it only has a Fiamme sticker that says made in Italy. I will take it to the shop and try and find out the size. Why is it there is no stamping mark with the size?

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Wolber rim posted by Fred on 5/8/2000 at 3:34:53 AM
CR: You must have been poking around in my web site. I have so much stuff behind my Packard that it takes me an hour to get it out, but no Wolber rim. Thanks fellows.

   RE:WANTED:   Wolber rim posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/3/2000 at 4:25:33 PM
Oh,I would not recognize this rim if it jumped up and bit me in the butt! I am going to snap up a bunch of assorted alloy rims of all kinds and I will let you know what I turn up. It will go to scrap if I do not get these.Somewhere out there some old hermit has 100 of these squirled away buried way back behind the Packard!

MISC:   tranporting bikes? posted by: sam on 5/1/2000 at 4:52:25 PM
I'm trying to get ideas on how to tranport a classic bicycle(other than riding it to the shows).I would like to stay away from those carriers that strap to the car.I don't want to damage the paint on the car or the bicycle.What's your ideas?

   RE:MISC:   tranporting bikes? posted by Warren on 5/1/2000 at 6:41:06 PM
I prefer a rack that mounts to the ball of a trailer hitch behind my old Volvo wagon. Mens bikes are a cinch...womens frames are more fussy. The bikes won't touch the car...the top tubes can be wrapped for protection and the car shields the bike from bugs and stones. Get the biggest one you can...a 4 bike rack will only take 2 bikes if you want safe clearance between them.

   RE:MISC:   tranporting bikes? posted by Wings on 5/2/2000 at 12:30:28 AM
I have a pickup with a shell. I remove the front wheel and bolt the front fork to a piece of plywood with a threaded steel rod with nuts on it to tighten. There are commercial products for this. This way the handlebars still stay on and it rides just fine. I also use moving pads at time. Since you don't mention a pickup how about renting a trailer that is covered and doing something similar?

   RE:MISC:   tranporting bikes? posted by Fred on 5/2/2000 at 4:20:14 AM
Sam: I will never carry a bike I have slaved over or one that is pristine on a bike rack. I have a 4 bike Rhode Gear shuttle that I use for ordinary bikes but there are just too many things that can happen on the road for me to haul my best bikes on it. I have a full size van that will take 4 complete bikes without exposing them to the road. By removing the captain's chair behind the front passenger seat the van is opened up considerably. My advice since you probably don't have a van or truck is to rent a van. Where I live a van can be rented for around $20 a day. Thats a lot cheaper than the cost of paint repairs. There are a number of ways you can secure the bike for hauling e.g., the method Wings suggests.

   RE:RE:MISC:   tranporting bikes? posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/3/2000 at 4:00:56 PM
You sure do not want to have something fall off and into traffic on the highway. A smashed bike, possible accidents and troupers asking you "how many bikes you have in your collection?" is no fun at all! I always stop people in the parking lot after they just bought a new bike, I tell them that a good rack is a good investment and that they do not want it scratched up. They then go back in the shop and they sometimes buy a rack and the shops are wondering why I can sell these and the sales people can not. My insurance agant warned me that I would not be covered if anything came loose because "You have things dangling off the vehicle" I guess he did not approve of my "grabber rack" This was a few years back.

AGE / VALUE:   1957 man's Triumph posted by: Helene on 5/1/2000 at 12:18:36 PM
I just acquired an old Triumph and am not sure what it is worth. It's all original, black and in great shape. Anyone able to help me?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1957 man's Triumph posted by jeff on 5/5/2000 at 4:00:39 PM
last year i acquired a 1956 lady's triumph for my girl friend to ride. it came with a sw xtra wide ratio sa hub. it also has a full chaim case and dyno hub w/lights. the bike is in very good condition. it cost me $30.00. i ride a 1953 indian scout with a fw 4 speed sa hub. i have had it since it was new. i like bicycles with motorcycle names.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1957 man's Triumph posted by Greg on 5/2/2000 at 5:48:56 AM
Triumphs are collected by motorcycle people, too. On E-bay a fair condition men's 1955 Triumph went for $202 and it didn't even have it's fenders!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1957 man's Triumph posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/3/2000 at 4:29:02 PM
Does this mean I should grab that ladies Triumph bike with the 26 inch wheels and rusted brakes or let it sit there?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by: bambang on 4/30/2000 at 8:30:43 PM
Dear forum....
I want to know what are the most popular 5 brands of english old bicycle in your area or country?
Please tell me the reasons(ex:price,rarebility/quantity,model,strength,unique etc.)

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Steve on 5/1/2000 at 9:55:19 AM
The only English brand I've seen down here in the Deep South of the U.S. is Raleigh. I have a Rudge, and I'll bet it's the only one in town. There may be a few others brought in by snowbirds (vacationing Canadians), but English 3-speeds are exceedingly rare. A college professor (since retired and/or dead) had a DL-1 that ended up in a local museum, and there's rumors of three or four more in town. Everything else is mostly cheap cruisers, mountain bikes, or fancy road bikes w/ bizarre colors, angles, and parts. Consider yourself lucky if there are any 3-speeds around your part of the world...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/1/2000 at 11:46:17 AM
I have heard on many occaisons that a rod brake D.L.1 was owned by a professor. Usually it was not for sale while the owner was living.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Kevin C. on 5/1/2000 at 3:35:11 PM
And he probably passed on after trying to use rod brakes in wet weather.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Paul R. on 5/1/2000 at 6:50:49 PM
There is still a few English 3 speeds to found at garage sales and flea markets in southern Maryland. For some reason the most common brand is Hercules, with and without the AMF label. Of course most are girls bikes, with many of the boys bikes having succumed to a pseudo spyder bike conversion or other sad fates. Other brands include Philips, Western Flyer (there was a local Western Auto store here), Robin Hood, Gazelle, Royce Union, and Raleigh. There a fair number of Sears 3 speeds of Austrian descent as well. In fact, the local Amish bike shop had two pretty nice mens models for sale for around $60 each. Bikes earlier that 1960 are pretty scarce although my neighbor has a 1952 Rudge with full chaincase that her dad bought new!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Greg on 5/2/2000 at 5:50:10 AM
What is a "pseudo spyder bike conversion "

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Steve on 5/3/2000 at 10:12:45 AM
This is speculation, but my wife is a professor of chemistry and I've been to many academic functions over the years. I suspect that the reason that the observed correlation between DL-1s and profs (particularly English) is based on several possibilities, including that DL-1s sort of project a tweedy kind of image (which is fast disappearing in the high-tech, scarce-money, increasingly competitive modern academy); that they separated teachers from students (who either walked or rode cheap, characterless bicycles--at least in the U.S.); and that, at its best, DL-1s have a panache that is emblematic of la dolce vita, which the Academy used to offer in return for long hours and low pay. But now, your average go-getter young prof might aspire to a corner office, a fast computer, and the coolest convertible he can afford. Oh, let's also not forget that many young profs no longer want to live within walking distance of Olde Ivy--they want to live out in the 'burbs where all the other suburban drones live, and you ccan't get there from here on a silly bicycle...(we live within bicycling distance of my wife's employer).

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Mark R. on 5/3/2000 at 1:34:32 PM
Here in South Jersey you see a lot of Raleighs, but very very few DL-1's I may have one of only a couple in the whole area. You see a few Robinhoods, and the occational Hercules too, but all the really nice ,clean, good condition, English bikes seem to be Raleighs. I guess because they always cost a few dollars more. Interestingly there was a Professor at Glassboro State college(Now Rowan) that regularly rode his DL-1 to school every day(in the 70's). Coinsidence? I think not!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Paul R. on 5/3/2000 at 4:42:55 PM
Greg, By 'psuedo spyder bike conversion" I was refering to the trend in my neighborhood in the late 60's for 13 year old boys to take their english racers and remove the fenders, install high rise handlebars, a banana seat and the obligatory three foot sissy bar.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Top 5 Brands of English old bicycle posted by Keith on 5/4/2000 at 5:58:02 AM
Her in central Ohio I see more Raleighs (and their brands -- Hhercules, Dunelt, Robin Hood, etc.) at garage sales than I do being ridden -- and I'm on the local bike path a lot. Only ever seen one other DL-1. I've seen a couple of pre-Raleigh Hercules bikes.

MISC:   Record Ace Question posted by: Wings on 4/30/2000 at 4:51:58 PM
I looked up the Record Ace on Ebay that sold for over $1200. I was unable to get a pictures but read the description. It had a 4 speed internal hub and a freehub. Does this mean it had 4 Sturmey internal gears in addition to a Casette of 5 or 6 speeds? Similar to a Sachs 3 X 7?
So the Record Ace had at least 20 speeds with one chain ring? Or did it run two chain rings and have a minimum of 40 speeds? I have never seen one -- the picture would have helped! Thanks.

   RE:MISC:   Record Ace Question posted by Chris Barbour on 5/1/2000 at 9:59:53 AM
"Freehub" was a misnomer. The bike has an FW hub. Cyclists
who wanted more gears on their S-A machines could add a
Cyclo conversion with two or three cogs and a rear derailleur,
but I checked my print-out of the photo on ebay, and this
one had only the FW, as when it was displayed at the Museum
of Transportation show.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Record Ace Question posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/3/2000 at 4:05:34 PM
This would be better if it had a F.M. or a F.C. OR A.S.C. hub.

AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong posted by: Gordon on 4/29/2000 at 5:19:01 AM
In my area I very seldom find a Raleigh. The most common model of older lightweight bike I see is Armstrong. Does anyone know if this is a individual company or if they were made by one of the major manufactures under this name?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong posted by Keith on 5/1/2000 at 5:58:31 AM
I believe that Armstrong is yet another Raleigh brand.