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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   Two 27 x 1 1/4 WW tires posted by: bikeyard on 5/9/2000 at 4:32:51 AM
For sale one pair of 27 1 x1/4 whitewall tires. Nice look for your vintage road bike. The Silver Star Tire. Older off shore. New condition. One has slight yellowing, still very presenable. $35 shipped Check them out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/whitewall

FOR SALE:   Two Raleigh front fenders posted by: bikeyard on 5/9/2000 at 4:12:25 AM
For sale two NOS Raleigh front fenders. I believe these are Wald replacement fenders. Black with gold pinstriping in front and behind fork mount. $30 for the pair shipped. Check them out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/fenders
I also have one set of NOS Bluemels light weight fenders left without braces. $30 shipped

   RE:FOR SALE:   Two Raleigh front fenders posted by conundrum on 5/9/2000 at 8:33:25 AM
How can the be "NOS Raleigh" and "Wald replacement fenders" at the same time?

   RE:FOR SALE:   Two Raleigh front fenders posted by bikeyard on 5/9/2000 at 7:11:03 PM
Correct you are. Nos Wald replacement fenders for Raleigh bikes. I also have NOS Wald Chrome fender braces.

FOR SALE:   1970 AMF Hercules posted by: Keith on 5/8/2000 at 12:05:11 PM
1970 Men's AMF Hercules (Raleigh), chrome mudguards and chainguard, all original, including vinyl Brook saddle, except rear tyre, very good condition.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   68 Raleigh Sports for sale posted by: Bill on 5/8/2000 at 11:05:29 AM
Have a nice 68 mens Raleigh Sports for sale.Original cond.Usual scuffs and minor scratches.Looks good.21 inch frame,coffee brown color.Original Brooks saddle.Has new Kenda gumwalls.$175 bucks including shipping.

AGE / VALUE:   24 T.P.I.BOTTOM BRACKET posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/8/2000 at 6:53:33 AM
I love bikes that are threaded with 24. t.p.i.! I took off the cotter pins, pulled the cranks,took a regular wrench and unscrewed the adjustible cup and lockring. Then I threw the old cup away. Now the really neat part! I put the wrench over the two flats of the Fixed cup and it came out really easily and quickly. I greased the new cups the shop had in the drawer, dropped in the balls, screwed the cups in, I had a new spindle for it, put on the cranks (that were cleaned and polished now) replaced the cotter pins and it was all done! Oh, I love 24 t.p.i. because the cups are easy and cheap to get!

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh folding 20 posted by: ART on 5/7/2000 at 10:53:06 PM
I saw a near mint condition Raleigh folding 20in bike this weekend. Bag, owner's manuel,wrenches, rack, pump. What's it worth?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh folding 20 posted by kimo on 5/8/2000 at 3:03:19 PM
If E-bay sets the standard, anywhere from $125.00 to $225. A bit inflated. To my mind under $75 is what they should cost, worth is up to the user. I have two and dig them a lot. See Sheldon's page on fixing them up.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh folding 20 posted by Aaron on 5/8/2000 at 5:03:24 PM
While these seem to typically sell for between $125 and $225 on e-bay, I would agree that $50 to $100 is in keeping with their "value" as bicycles. If you want it for display or a collector's item as a vintage piece a high value may be in order. As a functioning bicycle, without the modifications suggested by Sheldon Brown and others, these bikes are slow and hard to pedal up hills of almost any grade.

MISC:   Avenir Bike Computer: Help! posted by: Wings on 5/7/2000 at 10:52:23 AM
My bike computer battery died on my favorite bike! It is a 3 speed (Sachs 3X7hub), so I know I can get help here!
I cannot find my Avenir instructions for setting the bike computer. I can figure it out, but I have no idea which number to use for a 16 inch (16 x 1 3/8) wheel that measures 42.5cm or approx 16.7 inches. Got Help?
I would like a copy of all the numbers, but the one needed would be ok.
I realize and can mark off a mile and then ride it and use interpolation to approximate where it should be, but I hope one of you is more organized than I am with the instructions. That battery lasted 5 years!
Thanks guys!
Wings (Another "Keith")

   RE:MISC:   Avenir Bike Computer: Help! posted by Fred on 5/8/2000 at 3:19:26 AM
On a flat surface, drop a vertical line from front axle to the pavement. Put a piece of tape on the pavement and mark the tire at that spot also. Roll the wheel one revolution and place another piece of tape on the pavement at the tire mark. Measure the distance between tape marks and you have your number.

   RE:MISC:   Avenir Bike Computer: Help! posted by oscar@freewheeling.com on 5/8/2000 at 9:50:27 AM
Sheldon Brown's site (www.sheldonbrown.com) has tire size tables. All the tables I've seen say that an actual measurement (like Fred's) is the accurate way to go, however.

   RE:MISC:   Avenir Bike Computer: Help! posted by ART on 5/8/2000 at 8:02:35 PM
Wings-The don't list a calibration number for 16 inch tires but according to the instructions you can use their formula for custom calibration. First, you calculate the rolling circumference using Fred's method (start and stop at the valve stem). The calibration number for miles=rolling circumference in inches X 2.7273. Calibration number in kilometers=rolling circumference in millimeters X.108. If you need one of their listed calibration numbers just post it here.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Avenir Bike Computer: Help! posted by Wings on 5/8/2000 at 8:45:09 PM
Circumference! The little indicator showed what looked like diameter and I thought a chart then gave a code. So it is the circumference! That helps, and now the numbers make sense -- I think--I will go and do this right now!
I am glad to see all the responses. After I posted this I thought maybe I posted in the wrong place ........perhaps everyone was upright on their DL1"s and placing an Avenir on that bike would spoil the entire experience!
First the battery dies, then I adjust the seat back a notch, then the handlebars go back, then the Sachs shifter is repositioned--I go for a ride (80deg today) it feels great, but it rides terrible! Frozen link on a chain! No rust--this bike stays in the living room-where all bikes should! This is a recumbent that has been trouble free for a year! Amazing chain of events!
Thanks guys!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Avenir Bike Computer: Help! posted by Wings on 5/8/2000 at 9:00:47 PM
Thanks for the formula!
I rolled on the entrance way and did the math!
Now which direction should I fudge to make my times better????
Thanks for all your help! Go Team Raleigh!!!

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia posted by: Mandy on 5/7/2000 at 9:51:21 AM
How much would an old three-speed Columbia men's bike go for? It's red, the paints sortof faded though. Everything else is in great shape, it has a leather seat, Miller generator lighting set, and Weiniman brakes. A great rider.

AGE / VALUE:   Lines Brothers Canadian childrens bike parts posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/7/2000 at 9:24:47 AM
I have a bag of top headset races and another bag of the top headset cups for Lines Brothers Toy Co. WaterLoo, Ontario, Canada. These are N.O.S. and go to the childrens bicycles or trycycles they made. I hated to see these go to scrap but lets face it, these are not in demand. E-mail if anybody can use these. I do not know the threading pitch.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lines Brothers Canadian childrens bike parts posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/7/2000 at 9:32:11 AM
I hear that they made great quality childrens bikes and I do not know if they are still around or not. I would like to hear from people who can tell me about Lines Brothers.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish Kickstand posted by: JimW. on 5/5/2000 at 11:20:28 PM
A couple of years ago I went to a local bike shop, looking for a duplicate of a chainstay-mounted universal kickstand I already had. I was looking for a way of making the bike
stand perfectly upright when at rest. I figured that that type of kickstand on both sides would do the job. The bikeshop guy said he didn't have one like I brought in, but he had something better. It was on an English roadster, but he offered to take it off and sell it to me for $15. It was perfect for the job. It was made in Sweden, had two legs, and fit in the normal location. Although it came off a 26" bike, it worked on my 20" project bike. I'd like to find a
source for new ones in quantity. Does anyone know of an American source for these? There's a photo at: http://bikerodnkustom.homestead.com/catbike.html
it's the second photo on the page, labelled "CatBike Clothed". The legs are tucked up in the photo.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish Kickstand posted by Fred on 5/6/2000 at 7:11:29 PM
Jim: My Canadian made CCM has a center stand that may be like the one you are describing. A Canadian neighbor here in Florida gave me one also. They are quite interesting. When the arms are lowered they spread out for stabilty. In the stowed position they lie under the stays out of the way. My friend says they are quite common in Canada. Both stands have maker ID's but the bike is in NY and I don't remember the makers name. Maybe some of our Canadian colleagues can furnish more information.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish Kickstand posted by Warren on 5/6/2000 at 8:36:53 PM
Right again Fred...it's a Trygg centre stand. I think over half of all stands I encounter north of the 49th are this make. They are usually marked 26 or 28 with respect to wheel size. I think I've seen a 24. I've got a few "kicking around". If anyone really needs one contact me directly. I haven't seen any new ones in some time although I'm sure they are around because of the volume. When they work they work well but the springs tend to weaken with time and these are already "experienced". I did a quick net search and found nothing current about them.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Swedish Kickstand posted by JimW, on 5/6/2000 at 10:58:12 PM
Thanks for the input guys. Trygg sounds familiar. The stand I have is tucked away in a box somewhere, and hasn't been seen in a couple of years, so I wasn't able to remember the
maker's name. Having the name is a good lead to finding the source for new ones.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Juvenile Bikes posted by: ART on 5/5/2000 at 4:42:45 PM
I have a English boy's bike that rides on 20in wheels. On the seat tube is a decal that I can barely read but seems to say Gresham or Grishim Flyer, Hand Made by English Crafsmen. I can't read the script on the down tube. It has a single top tube that angles out of the seat tube for about four inches and then runs straight to the head tube. It had a badge at one time, there are two vertical holes on the head tube. Roadster type bars, three piece crank, no pedals. The rear stays bolt behind the top of the seat tube and also where they meet the chain stays by the dropouts. The dropouts are open ended like on track bikes. Welded to the stays is a curved rack. There is a rear fender with wire stays that bolt to the frame. There is a cast metal kickstand with the word Flyer embossed on it. I have wheels for it but I don't know if they are original. It has a Torpedo brake arm and Torpedo scripted rear hub. I also have an unusual boy's frame. It has a Gendron of Toledo, Ohio badge. I know Gendron made pressed steel toy trucks in the twenties which are now very expensive.It is a frame only, no fork. The frame style is the same as the flyer. The head tube has chipped at the bottom and been repaired. But the weird think is that the head tube is seven inches long and it rides on 16 in wheels. I don't particulary care about these bikes but one of you might. I'm not interested in restoring them. I don't have a lot of money in them but I don't want to give them away. They currently are sitting in my garden. If someone wants either or both I'd like to trade. I'm always looking for interesting men's frames, older touring racks, and bags or something you thing might be interesting. These are rough bikes, but you've been writing lately about the scarcity of English boys bikes, so I thought I'd put this out and see what happens.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Juvenile Bikes posted by Matthew on 5/6/2000 at 11:34:04 PM
I may be wrong but I think you have an Elswick Gresham flyer, definitely a Gresham not Grisham. They were made by Elswick before the company were swallowed into the Falcon / Townsend group which later included the Claude Butler and British Eagle brand names. Elswick didn't start out as Elswick-Hopper as a lot of folks think, they accquired the Hopper name when they took on Hopper Cycles from Hull (Kingston upon Hull) Hopper made models like the Imp and some huge framed 28" wheeled beasties for the Police forces to ride. I hope you have somebody at home to enjoy the Gresham my family all enjoy the few elderly childrens cycles we have in the home fleet.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Grand Prix posted by: Keith on 5/5/2000 at 11:26:26 AM
Go see it item # 324831477. Okay, it's not pristine, but there's LOTS of fun closeup pictures of the decals and small parts including Cyclo derailleurs, etc.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Grand Prix posted by Mark R. on 5/5/2000 at 1:17:54 PM
That is every true bike nut's dream bicycle! WOW!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Grand Prix posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/6/2000 at 8:46:07 AM
Did you notice the double front chainwheel? This is about in the same league as the Raleigh Record Ace. I wish I could go after this one.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   paint restoration posted by: Bill Putnam on 5/5/2000 at 9:53:54 AM
I have a mid 50's Raleigh Lenton club bike. The paint is
original and most of the transfers (decals) are intact.
My difficulty is that there is a layer of yellowed finish
which I am told may have been a shellac clear coat on top
of a nitrocellulose laquer or enamel base. Does anyone know
of a way to clean this yellowed top coat (which is flaking
in places) without damaging the finish or transfers

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   paint restoration posted by bikerdude on 5/5/2000 at 11:43:51 AM
Try automotive rubbing compound (an abrasive poilsh). But test it on the underside of the frame, first!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   paint restoration posted by Calvert on 5/6/2000 at 3:21:26 PM
Rubbing compound will likely damage the decals. If the top finish is actually shellac, denatured alcohol should do the trick. TLC around the decals advised.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   These bikes are tough! posted by: Keith on 5/5/2000 at 7:47:13 AM
Today on the way to work I hit a large, deep pothole while passing through a construction site. I was almost thrown from my Dunelt. This hole would have ruined a typical aluminum lightweight rim. The Dunelt's rims show no sign of damage -- still true. And these are the cheaper box-style Dunlop rims. Part of my commute is also on a bike path that is patially torn up for construction (widening). Several miles are gravel -- the Dunelt handles them beautifully. In fact, I passed a couple of young bucks on mountain bikes while I was going home the other day -- one was riding an expensive-looking dualie. These Brit bikes are the best city/commuting bikes ever!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   These bikes are tough! posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/5/2000 at 10:59:09 AM
Do be careful out there old boy!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   28" Raleigh Pattern Rims posted by: Brian Hayes on 5/4/2000 at 8:24:42 PM
Has anyone heard of Raleigh Pattern rims (with straight sides - suitable for caliper or rod brakes) in 28" size? I found someone who said that he has some NOS rims that are definitely 28" but are not the Westwood style. They came from a Raleigh dealer buyout. I've bought them sight unseen since I would still have use for them if they are 26". Just wondered if anyone has ever encountered these in 28" size.



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   28 posted by Warren on 5/5/2000 at 7:49:40 PM
This subject came up last year...it's in the archives somewhere. Apparently there was a short production run of 28" "Westricks" now available NOS. If I had my druthers I would still use westwoods for rod brakes. I've got 26" Westricks on a 50's Hercules rod brake sport bike. The room for error on pad adjustment is minimal. It takes a while to get them right. And IMHO, even when they're right they're adequate at best.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   28 posted by Calvert on 5/6/2000 at 3:00:17 PM
These rims would just the thing for a drumbrake roadster. I expect they weigh less than a Westwoods. If you decide you can't use them, email me....I've got a set of S/A drum hubs in need of 28"x36h rims.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   28 posted by mike in work on 5/5/2000 at 6:48:00 AM
The rims sound like they will be the "westrick" pattern
which were suitable for both side pull and stirrup(rod)
brakes. I have a pair on my 1951 Raleigh Sports - size 26"