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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Triumph posted by: Fred on 6/15/2000 at 4:24:03 AM
I just recently acquired a 1972 Triumph. A decal on the seat tube declares that the bike was manufactured under license by N.V. Gazelle Rijwiekfabriek in Holland. Does anyone have more information on this. Were other Raleigh variant bikes made by this or other companies? The rims are plain steel rather than the Raleigh drop center type and have no imprinted information as to the maker or size. Is this common with Raleigh variant bikes? I compared the riding characteristics of the Triumph with my 1972 Sports and I could detect no significant difference. With eyes closed I would not be able to tell the difference. Both bikes, in addition to being made in the same year are in identical, near new condition.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Triumph posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/15/2000 at 9:23:29 AM
Raleigh owned the Dutch Gazelle factory for a while so this is a Dutch- Raleigh Triumph. I have never seen one labeled up this way, but these are out there. Glad to hear it is in good shape. Enjoy!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Triumph posted by bill zee on 6/17/2000 at 3:06:13 PM
Yor message got me to running out to the garage. In the late 70's I acquired a pair of red Raleigh LTD-3's that were manufactured in 1972. The men's bike was a standard Made-in-Nottingham Raleigh, but the woman's bike had the same decal you mentioned,located in the same place.Your message was the first reference I've seen to Dutch manufacture. I got a lot of wear out of my LTD-3, and still have it, but I stopped using it much when I got My DL-1 (vintage 1976) back in 1995.

   How the Raleigh Robin- Hood Bicycle was born. posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/5/2000 at 4:38:10 PM
Because the Raleigh- made Gazelle bicycles were getting confused with the Gazelle bicycle Company's products. Raleigh's Gazelle line was changed to Robin Hood. The badge and decals were changed but the bike itself remained the same.The origonal Robin Hood Cycle company was long gone by 1946 so this was no problem. The Gazelle Cycle Company of Holland was later bought out by Raleigh years later. Today Gazelle is a seperate company. I have never seen an ORIGONAL Robin Hood bicycle as the origonal company would have to be around the turn of the century.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brand New and Need Help posted by: Duncan Engler on 6/14/2000 at 4:54:13 PM
Just salvage two (man's and woman's) Raleighs (Triumph on the rear fender)from the curb south of Boston. Both were made in England without a doubt.Still have saddle bags, baskets, and a pump (on the man's bike of course). I'm looking for any web sites/info on these types. I guess these don't even qualify as roadsters. But when I was a kid we couldn't wait to trade in our single speed Sears for an "English" bike (three speed and skinny tires).
Thanks in advance for any guidance.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brand New and Need Help posted by Warren on 6/14/2000 at 6:31:49 PM
This is the most likely place to ask specifics about 3 speeds and roadsters but you really should visit http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris.html for a complete primer on bikes, bikes, bikes, English bikes and Raleigh bikes. Oldroads archives are another great resource...welcome to the club.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brand New and Need Help posted by phil on 6/15/2000 at 6:18:34 AM
Duncan....lucky you, both for the bike find and being in the Boston area. Go see Sheldon at the web site mentioned above in Warren's post. Sheldon, the widely acclaimed guru of English bicycle lore, is associated with Harris Cyclery of West Newton, MA. Also a good source for parts and stuff.

I also as a kid couldn't wait to get a "English racer" (sorry Sheldon, that's what we called them back in the late 50's). My father one day came home with a "3 speed" from Western Auto, instead of my coveted Raleigh. I forgave him immediately of course, because after all he was my father. I finally got my first Raleigh just 4 years ago, a wait of only 36 years.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brand New and Need Help posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/5/2000 at 4:50:57 PM
Not just one bike, but two? Lucky You!! Well, I suppose if you are going to just senselessly heave out stuff like an idiot, then to throw the pair out with all fittings like bags and inflator pumps is the way to go! I mean if you are going to clean out the garage then lets do it right why don"t we. We just did not have time to donate to a church rummage sale or put them on Ebay. They are old so they are useless! This makes sense to me! How many of us have found a pair of complete bikes like he did?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   This Girl Can Ride! posted by: Keith on 6/14/2000 at 10:29:24 AM
Last Saturday I hitched the Trail-A-Bike to my '65 Dunelt and my 6-year old daughter and I went on her first club ride. We went 25 miles, with a stop at the "Dutch Kitchen" for breakfast. We mooed at the cows, enjoyed the scenery, and noted all of the horses, bunnies, and other animals we saw. She was very strong -- I can honestly say she pulled her own weight. We also kept up with the road bikes.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   This Girl Can Ride! posted by Bill H on 6/15/2000 at 2:47:56 PM
And you don't have to worry so much as you instruct her in the ways of riding. Those trail bikes seem like a great way to introduce a kid to riding. Bill H.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   This Girl Can Ride! posted by Fred on 6/19/2000 at 7:49:52 AM
Keith: These kinds of experiences are truly golden. We all need to take the time to do things with our kids. It may be trite to say it, but time goes so fast when we are raising our children that it can get away from us. Memories of Sunday rides with my son and daughter are among the best of my life and theirs. We still have the bikes we rode 25 years ago and wouldn't part with them for anything.

WANTED:   Forever posted by: mark on 6/13/2000 at 10:29:44 AM
The markmobile is for sale(mitsubishi) and I want to help out anyone whose non cycling spouse is saying that those bikes have got to go. I want a gents 28" roadster but will consider a 26", any color. I already own a DL1(L) and a 60s Sprite. Avon model ok. I would probably want the bike shipped UPS to the local office at the drugstore. Thanks

   RE:WANTED:   Forever posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/13/2000 at 11:30:27 AM
Have you tried to get her on a bike?

   RE:WANTED:   Forever posted by Keith on 6/15/2000 at 9:27:17 AM
Before you buy a used Forever, scroll down and look at the various comments by those of us who own one. I think you're better of to wait patiently for a men's DL-1. They show up on Ebay on a fairly regular basis.

   RE:WANTED:   Forever posted by Keith on 6/15/2000 at 9:42:29 AM
Before you buy a used Forever, scroll down and look at the various comments by those of us who own one. I think you're better of to wait patiently for a men's DL-1. They show up on Ebay on a fairly regular basis.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Forever posted by mark on 6/15/2000 at 10:26:27 AM
Yes, she will ride occasionally and in fact she did say that the next new bike bought will be hers. I've read the posts about Forevers, I missed my chance for a new one due to the Y2k non event. My rationale is that since I already own a DL-1, I'd be able to keep a Forever going because I have the real thing to use as a guide. Anyboby want a beat up 86 mighty max, real cheap!

AGE / VALUE:   4th Annual Bloomsday Messenger Bicycle Rally posted by: Calvert Guthrie on 6/12/2000 at 5:56:28 PM
It is time once again for the Bloomsday Messenger Bicycle Rally here in Brookside(Kansas City, Missouri)This is traditionally part of the Bloomsday observations in Dublin, Ireland and here, too, at the Bloomsday Books used/antiquarian bookshop.

The rally will be leaving from Bloomsday Books near the NE corner of 63rd and Brookside Blvd (6223 Brookside Blvd to be exact) at 10:00am this Saturday, June 17th.
The course is short (maybe 3 miles but i tend to lie about mileage or so i'm told)and very flat for the comfort of those not accustomed to pedaling heavy cycleage.

There is an espresso bar at the bookshop serving a righteous dark roast that usually does the trick for me(though i'm going to ask the owners wife not to add quite as much Jameson as last St. Pat's Day....and i will promise not to pop anymore sidewalk wheelies on my 1938 Raleigh "low grav") There will be keg of Boulevard Stout waiting for us on our return....its from our best local micro and compares favorably with Guiness. Free draws for rally cyclists.

Live Irish Music. Some lovely lasses will be dancing out side the shop....James Joyce's Ulysses will be read round the clock till they get through it.

Messenger/Dispatch/Delivery bikes of all kinds are needed and Brit bikes are particularly encouraged but all bikes are welcome. I heard from one gent who offered to show up with one of his restored Schwinn Krates....I had to explain that as this is an Irish tradition, the Pea Picker would likely be more appropriate than the Orange Krate. NO BIKES WILL BE TURNED AWAY (but Black & Tan paint schemes might be considered in bad taste).

Period costume that corresponds to the bike ridden would be swell but not required.

Email me for further information or call me at 816/363/4418.
If you get lost on the way in, on the morning of the rally, the bookshops number is 816/523/6712...they can help you find your way.

If you have bike parts to swap or sell bring them along.

It'd great to see you there.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent Crank posted by: Bill H on 6/11/2000 at 9:42:02 AM
I need some advice for straightening a bent chainwheel side crank on a Raleigh Sports. I found a nice black '70 at a sale, and all is well except you can detect a slight bend on the right side crank when you pedal. I'm familiar with the proper removal and installation of the crank, but I'd like some hints on bending it back (a big hammer and vice come to mind) and checking alignment prior to installation. I was thinking of laying the crank flat on a table and installing the crank axle and a pedal axle and checking to see if they are parallel. Any thoughts on this are appreciated. Thanks. Bill H.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent Crank posted by Sheldon Brown on 6/11/2000 at 4:17:45 PM
A traditional way to do this with _steel_ cranks is to remove the pedal, the clamp the end of the crank in a vise, and use the bicycle itself as a lever. This is a very quick and easy repair, and was very common when steel cranks were the norm.

With a bike as heavy as a Sports, it helps to have an assistant to get it into the vise...two hands are not enough.

Don't even think about doing this with aluminum cranks, they're liable to break.

Sheldon "Leverage" Brown
Newtonville, Massachusetts
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent Crank posted by Kevin C. on 6/11/2000 at 6:05:46 PM
You can straighten a crank by removing the pedal; slipping a length of water pipe over the crank arm, and pulling gently. My 70-year-old bike repairman friend, who has been fixing bikes since the days of single-tube tires, does it that way, and I've done it a time or two myself.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent Crank posted by Bill H on 6/12/2000 at 8:50:58 PM
Thanks, gents, for the replies. And those methods involve leverage and bending rather than hammer blows - a plus. I'll give it a try. Thanks. Bill H

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Replacing cotters on Raleigh posted by: Dan D. on 6/10/2000 at 2:00:13 PM
I was overhauling my 5 speed Raleigh Sprint and was completely stymied in attempting to remove the cotters on the crank. I have removed cotters sucessfully on other bikes in the past including my prize DL-1 but this is next to immpossible. I will have to drill them out or even use a blow torch. I have looked up Sheldons advice but I will not be able to salvage the original cotters. My question is, are there any cotters out there that would fit a Raleigh? Used would be OK if they are in good shape. Also any other advice or suggestions for any future removal. Thanks Dan D.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Replacing cotters on Raleigh posted by Warren on 6/10/2000 at 7:06:10 PM
Do NOT reuse the old "shear pins"...cotter pins are a misnomer,(Think of them as "fenders" instead of "mudguards").I'm quite certain 9.5 mm pins are what you need. New ones are certainly available, but as usual the old ones are much higher quality. Check Sheldon Browns website at...http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris.html for a comprehensive look at proper procedure.A big hammer and attitude really helps.
How do you cut and paste the "link" for a website anyway?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Replacing cotters on Raleigh posted by Paul M. on 6/10/2000 at 9:04:16 PM
Warren, if you have a PC with Windows '95 or '98, drag your cursor across the entire web address to highlight it, and then right click on it. From the drop down menu you get, select Copy. This puts it on your Windows clipboard. Then open your browser, erase what's in the address window, right click in the address window and select Paste. Hit the Return key, and you should be on your way to the web site. If you have a Mac, I can't tell you how, but I suppose the procedure would be similar.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Replacing cotters on Raleigh posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/11/2000 at 9:20:32 AM
The 9.5 pins are what you need. I would not use a torch at all. I would soak it in liquid wrench for a day or two. Use goggles with a wood hammer and punck and re-read Sheldons notes on this. Promise me you will damage this crank with the drill. Go slowly, and put it down and come back to it. It will come out, You WILL be victorious!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Replacing cotters on Raleigh posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/11/2000 at 9:23:12 AM
I mean, promise me you will NOT damage this crank with the drill bit. Use goggles and do not push too hard and break the drill bit.I'm sure you knew this already.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Replacing cotters on Raleigh posted by Aaron on 6/12/2000 at 4:58:58 PM
I have used a C-clamp, a socket, and light heat to remove cotters with out damage. Place the socket over the side of the cotter opposite of the threads. Clamp the C-clamp over the socket and the theaded side of the cotter with retaining nut (make sure the retaining nut is screwed on to the cotter as a surface for the clamp to push on). Turn clamp very tight to place pressure on cotter. Apply steady heat and cotter shoud pop itself from crank, if not, tap end of C-clamp with hammer and, clamp tighter and heat again.

   Get the proper tool for the job! posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 6/14/2000 at 8:09:54 AM
Park tool Co. makes a cotter pin removal tool. This is a screw type tool that fits around the cotter pin and you screw down the thing and drive the pin out. Any bike shop can order this for you. Around $40.00.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   High Altitude 3 Speed posted by: Bill H on 6/10/2000 at 1:23:46 PM
I've been planning a 4 day tour on the Raleigh Sports this summer, so I decided to try out the bikes hill climbing ability with the 22 tooth sprocket by riding up Mt. Evans in Colorado yesterday, starting in Idaho Springs. The ride starts at 7,500', and ends up just below the summit at about 14,150' (a distance of 28 miles). They say this is the highest paved road in North America, so I figured this would be a good test. Of course I had to walk the bike up the 1/4 trail at the end to the true summit at 14,264'. It was a very scenic ride, and I found the gears low enough for the nicely graded, smooth paved road. It was a treat having a well broken in B-66, and rubber pedals that allowed me to shift around my sneakers for comfort on the ride. I've done this climb before on my Mercian, and although it is certainly faster with clipless pedals and a much lighter overall bike, It was a joy on the three speed and I adjusted my pace accordingly, pausing often to snack, take pictures and stretch the legs out. Touring on the 3 speed requires a shift from more conventional road bike touring, but if you adopt a "stop and smell the roses" approach, it can be real fun. These bikes were good enough for cross country tours and marathon type rides several decades ago, and they're still fun if you give it a try. I put a couple of pictures on the Readers Web Pages, "My British Bikes, Still the ......" at http://www.oldroads.com/oldwebs.asp?72 Enjoy some interesting rides this summer! Bill H.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   High Altitude 3 Speed posted by Paul M. on 6/10/2000 at 8:57:58 PM
What a wonderful ride! Congratulations! I enjoyed seeing all the pictures on your web page. Your Nigerian roadster looks great, too. How have you found its quality compared to Raleighs built in England vs Chinese and Indian copies?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   High Altitude 3 Speed posted by Bill H on 6/11/2000 at 1:34:28 AM
Paul, I find the frame, fenders, mudguards, and chaincase, along with the finish quality (paint, pinstripping) to be very high quality, equal to any Nottingham bike. The chaincase interestingly enough is made in Japan, (based on a stamping on the back) although it seems like an exact copy of the ones I've seen on UK bikes. The handlebars are almost as good as a DL-1, although I didn't like the bend so I changed them to some "New" DL-1 bars. The chainring and crank are also not quite as nice as a Nottingham one, just a bit rougher here and there and probably thinner plating. The seat was an Indian made copy of a Brooks, and I've since gone to a B-33. But overall a great looking and nice riding bike, and new at that! Bill H.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Other 3-speeders in Seattle AREA? posted by: Jason on 6/9/2000 at 9:22:31 PM
Howdy All. ONce again I'm trying to find other that share our English Middleweight passion in the SEattle Area. Now that we're getting a little sunshine, I want to start some Sunday evening rides around the area... Please contact me if you are in the area and are interested.....


AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Pedal Deal posted by: Paul R. on 6/9/2000 at 7:59:38 PM
I have somehow ended up with a bunch of NOS Raleigh pedals from the 50's or early 60's. The only problem is that they are all right hand pedals! If anyone is interested, I will gladly swap a coouple of these NOS right hand pedals for your old rusty left hand ones so that I can use the left hand spindles to make few sets for myself. These pedals are the old fully rebuildable type with the little "ears" to locate your feet on the pedals. The later rebuildable pedals are basically the same but don't have the little ears and have a different pattern on the rubber blocks.

AGE / VALUE:   mex tires posted by: sam on 6/7/2000 at 2:36:12 PM
Got two pair(4)tires.They are TRADEMH monarch 28"x1.500 hecho in mexico black wall tires.These tires are new and sell for $3.50 each in mexico.So if you are needing a new pair of shoes for your dl-1 , I got two pair at $7.00a pair plus shipping.E-mail at samclingo@hotmail.com

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by: Fred on 6/7/2000 at 7:53:53 AM
Oh boy! I did it again. There they sat in a dank cellar; A DL-1 in fair condition, a pristine Triumph, and a nice red Sports. I don't need the DL-1, I have it virtual twin but is has languished in that cellar for so long and fairly cries to be ridden. I do need/want the Triumph to fill a gap in my Raleigh made collection. The red Sports will brighten up my bunch of black, green, and brown models. After a long negotiation I made the owner my final offer for all three and after much pacing and thinking he accepted. Now I just have to slide them quietly into my bike garage. I know, I'm just a weak sinner who is breaking all 10 of the commandments for bike collectors. Pray for me.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/7/2000 at 8:30:39 AM
Very good, now go and sin some more, bigger, better bicycle sin.

   Pity Me ! posted by Another Sinner on 6/7/2000 at 1:09:17 PM
Well I sympathyse with you but my addicition is much worse. I collect all types of bikes not just English Roadsters. What this means is more temptation, less room and a jealouse wife. To complicate matters, every time I get up the willpower to stop buying bikes and try to thin the herd a clean up week comes along and I find two or three bikes that I just cannot allow to go to the crusher. Is there a doctor in the house that can help.

   RE:Pity Me ! posted by Fred on 6/7/2000 at 4:40:56 PM
Don't be deceived Sinner, Raleighs are a small part of my "brood", they just happen to be of special interest and more available. Take a look at; http://members.tripod.com/'fredhaj/index.html, if you want to see how bad I am.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 6/7/2000 at 4:57:32 PM
I for one am unrepentant and always will be.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by Kevin C. on 6/8/2000 at 10:12:49 AM
Me, too. It's a cheap and healthy addiction.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by Keith on 6/8/2000 at 12:27:27 PM
I'm forever out of space -- I have them in my home, my garage, my office, my parking space, my mother's garage, and my mother's storage shed, and several just leaning against the house. I find I have to "purge" excess bikes once or twice a year, and it always hurts. At least the last time I did this I just stripped some parts bikes and kept the parts -- threw away the carcuses. Before, I'd sell good stuff, and I always always regret it later. I want my black '60 Jaguar and my cheerful yellow '74 Heavy Duti back, and my purple haze '89 Ironman Centurian, and especially my racing green 3-speed Moulton!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by Wings on 6/9/2000 at 1:11:14 AM
I have limited my bike hunts to only Thursday! I went out today and saw a nice Phillips--Black man's bike with a three speed, nice Brooks saddle--it was a good bike for $19. I did not buy it! I checked all the usual places and did not buy a thing. I now go out looking with a feeling of expectation of joy--if I don't find a bike! Two years ago I was determined to return with something and I just kept extending the searches to neighboring counties. Last week I found three. One of which I will restore. The other two will be in a thrift store of a charity I support. I fix them up, detail, new seats, tires and tubes, bar wrap, etc. and put the $9 bike out and they sell it for $100. I had the fun of the hunt. I also enjoy the work. I give it away because I can't house any more homeless bikes. But fixing them up and giving them away allows me to see some movement in my stock. And yes, some are treasures that fill my garage and kitchen and bedrooms, but I know eventually they must go--or my house will break in half! When I don't find bikes on the hunt -- I visit my favorite bike shop (Supergo -- advertised in Mountain Bike Action) and get great deals on parts there! Well, we may have drizzle tomorrow morning so I must get my large sandwhich bags organized to cover the seats!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Will it never end posted by ChristopherRobin on 7/3/2000 at 11:38:07 AM
Have you thought of behind ceiling tiles? What do you mean, out of space??

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint: refreshing and touching up posted by: Lorna on 6/7/2000 at 12:44:40 AM
I have a Raleigh Superbe (1970, I think) in green, and I need some advice on how to deal with the paint.
1) It has little actual rust, but the paint is a bit dull. What's the best way to clean and shine the paint without damaging it or the decals? (I prefer dull paint to damaged paint!)
2) I have some NOS fenders to put on it, but there are one or two tiny spots that need touching up (the paint surface is actually broken). I looked for a color similar to the Raleigh green at the auto supply store, but couldn't find what looked like a good match. Anyone out there know of a specific paint that would match? Thanks!
(Fun story of how I got the bike, by the way: I was at a friend's house, and saw the bike leaning in a corner or her garage, resting on its rear fender with its front wheel in the air. I said "Great old bike!" and my friend replied that she'd been meaning to sell it, but hadn't gotten around to it. I said I'd be happy to buy it, and she said "Oh, you can just HAVE it." So, my pipe dreams have come true in a most unexpected way! And now, to the restoration... )

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint: refreshing and touching up posted by phil on 6/7/2000 at 12:12:35 PM
Congratulations on your good fortune. In cleaning a bike I first clean all the road grit and grime off with a petroleum based cleaner, like bug and tar remover, or if I'm at work I use printer's blanket wash. Apply liberally on a soft cloth. This is easier if the bike is partially disassembled in order to reach the nooks and crannies. The painted surfaces can be then gone over with automotive polishing compound to remove small scratches and dull paint. I merely go very/very lightly around the decals, as they generally seem pretty rugged to rubbing. And then an automotive wax to top it off. I have never looked for a Raleigh Green paint, so have no suggestions. Sorry.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint: refreshing and touching up posted by Fred on 6/8/2000 at 6:51:02 AM
Lorna: Even if you found genuine Raleigh paint it wouldn't match the paint on your bike for two reasons: one, paint on older bikes fades; two, Raleighs in colors other than black are painted with metallic paint. When metallic paint is applied with a brush the distribution of metal particles is not the same as when the it is sprayed resulting in a different shade, usually not even close. You may get a better match using a non-metallic paint. For minor touch-up I have used paint for plastic models which I mix as close to the original as possible. Touch-up is not an easy thing to do with metallics.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint: refreshing and touching up posted by WIngs on 6/9/2000 at 1:15:54 AM
I use Simple Green for all of my cleanup and grease removal. (It is nicer on the hands!)

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint: refreshing and touching up posted by Lorna on 6/13/2000 at 1:00:34 AM
Hey, folks, thanks for the replies and tips! I hit a hobby shop today and got one flat and one metallic paint. I'll test them out on the inside surface of the fenders to see what matches best. (The dings and gouges I'm touching up are all pretty small, so even an inexact match will probably be undetectable from a few feet away.) My Brooks saddle and indicator spindle arrived today, as well as some nifty reflectors, so I think I have all the bits and pieces I need (heartfelt thanks to both my patient and very instructive suppliers, by the way!)

I'll check in after I finish and report on how it all went.

(FYI: Nature's Orange is another fantastic degreaser: nontoxic, smells great, and took the built-up oil off my mother's garage floor with just a little scrubbing.)

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Course posted by: Marco on 6/6/2000 at 6:42:31 PM
Which one of the Carlton Super Courses are the most desirable among collectors? The only English bike in my stable is a brown one with Simplex est 30-35 yrs old in pristine condition. Any info?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Course posted by Oscar on 6/8/2000 at 5:49:14 AM
Well, Marco, any Carlton Super Course is pretty much desirable. The most common color that I have seen is their "Bronze Green" paint. I saw two sad cases of this model recently. One was homeless, shackled to a post and stripped of its wheels, looking very sad indeed. If I had the number of a talented bike theif, I would have rescued the 531 frame. Another looked like it was purposely abandoned. It was unlocked on the parkway in a well traveled area. The owner, I guess, gave it up because it had a taco'ed rear wheel. All else looked ok. I was very happy to see it picked up within two hours of when I first saw it. To a good home, I presume.

For more dope on lightweight Carlton Raleighs, enjoy this...

MISC:   Esge Pletscher center stand posted by: fredhaj on 6/6/2000 at 11:00:41 AM
A couple of weeks ago we discussed center stands. One of the postings on the subject was from Jim W. who informed us that a center stand was available from Gaerlans, whose website URL is; "www.Gaerlan.com". I promised to order a stand and let everyone know how it works out on Raleigh bikes. I received my stand yesterday and installed it on my 73 Sports today. The stand looks like Esge's side stand from the left side of the bike except that there are two legs. As delivered, the mounting bolt was too long and bottomed out due to the small diameter of the stays. I cut 1/4" off of the bolt which solved the problem. The action of the stand when the legs are rotated into the down position is that the top leg when folded becomes the RH leg when deployed. As such it swings down and to the right. The bottom leg swings mainly down and slightly to the left. The stand raised the rear wheel of my Sports about 3 inches off the floor. Actually the bike will sit with either wheel free. I will install it on my DL-1 which should sit an inch or so lower or about 2" off the floor. One thing that will be important with this stand is to keep the cam surfaces well lubed with grease since the stand is aluminum and the spring force on the cams is substantial. In my opinion the stand is well designed. Time will tell if it will be something I will want to install on additional bikes since it is about 7 times more expensive than Esge's side stand.

    Esge Pletscher center stand will not work with a rod brake bike. posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/6/2000 at 12:09:00 PM
This is a great kickstand,However It will not work with a rod brake bike as the rear rod linkage will interfere and you cannot file or drill without ruining the kickstand. I wanted to put one of these on my 28 inch wheel Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. and I could tell by looking it was not going to work. However, if you have a 26 or a 27 inch wheel cable brake bike then you are all set. This way the bike will not fall over and get scratched up. These were always this price, and I would one of these while you can. Years ago some of the British rear racks had drop down rear stands.I love Pletcher racks and kickstands. I polish them up and they glisten like chrome!

   RE: Esge Pletscher center stand will not work with a rod brake bike. posted by Fred on 6/6/2000 at 6:05:18 PM
Being a bear of little brain I was not thinking when I said I would mount the stand on my DL-1. Of course it won't work. I think I'll go get Piglet and walk round and round a large tree as punishment.

   RE: Esge Pletscher double- leg center stand won't work w/rod brake -will w/ cable brakes posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/7/2000 at 6:44:14 AM
Oh, No. I hope your Sports is the cable brake kind because it would be bad if you went thru all this bother to find this and then it would not fit.

   RE:RE: Esge Pletscher double- leg center stand won't work w/rod brake -will w/ cable brakes posted by Fred on 6/7/2000 at 7:27:54 AM
No problem Chris, mounting the stand on my finest Sports is a fait accompli. It stands a little high though so out with the hacksaw.

   RE: Esge Pletscher center stand will not work with a rod brake bike. posted by Paul M. on 6/7/2000 at 10:10:11 PM
Christopher Robin, you mentioned that you love Pletscher racks. Where can one buy them in the U.S.A.? Any mail order sources? I have found the web site of Gebrüder Pletscher AG in Switzerland http://www.pletscher.ch/ , but I have not seen them listed on the web sites of U.S. bike part mail order companies.

   RE:MISC:   Esge Pletscher center stand posted by JimW. on 6/8/2000 at 9:39:16 AM
Thanks for the research, Fred. Sounds like that stand will work
for my needs. (Not on a DL-1.)Off-topic: I had an idea recently,
which I'll carry out when I get past the other priorities. My
beater bike is a Ross Eurotour I got at the Salvation Army. I
got it because the design is so similar to the Raleigh 3-speed
I rode in my youth. Aside from the Shimano bits, the biggest
difference is the paint, an ugly metallic brown. The original
idea was that the bike is so ugly, I wouldn't worry about it
being stolen. Unfortunately, it's so ugly I can barely stand
to ride the thing! My solution is to give it a Raleigh paint
job, in widow-spider black, with the white patch on the rear
fender. The fiendish detail will be to recreate the Raleigh
transfers exactly, except mis-spelled. ("Rolleigh", etc).
Am I a sick puppy, or what?

   RE:RE: Esge Pletscher center stand will not work with a rod brake bike. posted by Paul R. on 6/9/2000 at 7:59:18 PM
If anyone is interested, I have a couple of surplus Pletscher rear racks that I would sell for $10 each, including shipping.