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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Well, I asked. posted by: ChristopherRobin on 6/6/2000 at 6:31:40 AM
I asked my mechanic friend why the Sutherlands bicycle mechanic book does not show any of the Sturmey-Archer hubs at all, None, Zip, Zero. Only Schram (Sachs) and Shimano are shown under the internal rear hub section. He said "It's because you can't get parts" and that "Sturmey-Archer stoped having a distributor here in the states in 1990." "Get with today!" he said. "You can get parts for Sturmey-Archer hubs" I replied. "Not from where I am standing" he said. It was interesting to read how complex the Nexus hub is. This is an Inter-planetary hub. Why is the Rohloff hub so difficult to order?

   Sutherland's posted by Sheldon Brown on 6/6/2000 at 5:10:36 PM
Sutherland's only has info on current model internal-gear hubs in the main Handbook (The Sturmey-Archer Sprinters weren't available when the current 6th edition was being prepared.)

They have a separate book on older internal-gear hubs and coaster brakes.

   Rohloff posted by Sheldon Brown on 6/6/2000 at 5:13:54 PM
Rohloff hubs are easy to order...just not so easy to get! ;-)

Rohloff USA (which appears to be a one-man operation) is waiting for an overdue shipment from Deutschland. I've had a coupl on order for over a month that I was supposed to get within a week.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Well, I asked. posted by WIngs on 6/6/2000 at 10:23:33 PM
Sheldon is correct (as always)!
Sutherlands has published: "Shutherland's Handbook of Coaster Brakes and Internally-Geared Hubs", my copy was published in 1992, however I received it with the big book in 1996 or 1997. It includes coaster brakes; 2 speed coaster; 3,4, and 5 speed hubs; and 3 speed coaster brakes. In the 3 and 5 speed hub section it includes: Brampton, Hercules, Sachs, Shimano, Styre, and Sturmey-Archer. It shows complete exploded diagrams as well as step by step disassembly.

   RE:Sutherland's posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/7/2000 at 6:47:38 AM
I was hoping to hear this-Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Well, I asked. posted by Sturmey on 6/16/2000 at 10:45:40 AM
They probably don't carry old parts, but Sturmey-Archer claims their current U.S. distributor is this one:

613 South Main Street
Huron, Ohio 44839
Phone: (419) 433 9057
Fax:   (419) 433 0182
E-Mail capersons@aol.com

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   cracked crank arm blues posted by: Kimo on 6/4/2000 at 7:29:47 AM
I haven¹t been riding my dl-1 as much as I¹d like recently. On the way to work, my right crankarm (which had a mysterious welding job near the pedal) suddenly cracked, and I was of course nearly exactly in the middle of my 6 mile commute. Not exactly up the creek, but I felt like I had only one half of a paddle. I had noticed the weld earlier, and just nodded when the seller said that it "was probably stronger than original". Any suggestions from the sages? Do I : 1) go and and re-weld the crank arm to the pedal? 2) replace both crank arms from the old Rudge carcass I have in the basement, even though they are a different length? 3) put out a call to all of you in the hopes that a spare right crank arm can be found?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   cracked crank arm blues posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/4/2000 at 9:11:30 AM
Try to scare one up in your area. Perhaps a shop has one lying around, or the Rudge is interchangable as it likely is. Give me a holler if you cant get down from your tree. What size is this crank? 6 1/2 or 7 ? http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   cracked crank arm blues posted by Wings on 6/6/2000 at 12:29:53 AM
What length is the crank arm?
Right or left side?
Raleigh cottered?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   cracked crank arm blues posted by Wings on 6/6/2000 at 12:33:17 AM
Right side! I can read!! Really!!! Describe what you are after and the length. I am not that familiar with Raleigh cranks --I assume they come in different lengths. I may be able to help!

   This one is easy to scare up. posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/6/2000 at 7:48:04 AM
Shout if you need one.

AGE / VALUE:   Giro De Italia posted by: Fred on 6/4/2000 at 3:28:42 AM
I hope you have been watching the tour around Italy on OLN for the last 3 weeks. It boggles my mind that a human can expend such energy for days on end. The riders are truly amazing athletes in what may be the hardest sport of all. Almost as impressive is the reliability of the machines, of course they are the pinnacle of bicycle engineering and cost a great deal more than your bike or mine. Watch today at 3 PM or tonight at 9 to see if the leader for 11 days until yesterday can reclaim the lead for the win in the last stage of the race.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Giro De Italia posted by Keith on 6/5/2000 at 12:13:34 PM
I've followed it on the velonews site, but not on TV. I wonder about the bikes -- they go through a lot, to be sure, but they only need to last one season, and they have team mechanics looking after them. I've heard rumors about the need to replace certain well-known carbon frames two or three times per season when cracks begin to show up. I personally prefer steel/friction-shift vintage road bikes, but then I don't race. I understand that the latest Ergo/STI technology offers a performance edge that pro racer can actually use, especially when it is being maintained/replaced regularly. You're right that these athletes are amazing. They go for hours up steep grades in gears I could probably hardly pedal on a flat. And they eat 7000 to 8000 calories per day and still lose weight! I wish the sport had more of a following here. Lance should clearly have made the cover of Sports Illustrated last year.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Giro De Italia posted by Michael on 6/6/2000 at 9:03:06 AM
Its true that the frames are not built to last, but I spoke to designer of Pace MTB bikes (former F1 motorbike engineer), who reckoned that the perfect racing machine was one that fell apart just after the finish line. The machines also get new chains at least every month, and new wheels in the middle of a race.
In the old days, riders had to fix any breakages themselves. One rider suffered a snapped fork. He borrowed a local forge and brazed them together himself, to complete the race. He was disqualified because he recieved the help of a small boy who pumped the bellows of the forge.

WANTED:    1950s Raleigh 3-speed Sports posted by: Robert J. Caldwell on 6/3/2000 at 1:31:37 PM
I am searching for a Raleigh 3-speed Sports bicycle from the mid or late 1950s era, in good (i.e. ridable) condition, prefer traditional black color, Brooks leather saddle, original or repro saddle bag, tire pump. Please contact me if you know where I can obtain this bike.

FOR SALE:   Robinhood posted by: Phil on 6/2/2000 at 2:35:01 PM
Old Robinhood 3 speed frame and fork original paint, crank ,
and stem and bars,-$20+ shipping

   RE:FOR SALE:   Robinhood posted by Brid on 6/4/2000 at 4:50:51 PM
Is it a ladies or Gents ?

   RE:FOR SALE:   Robinhood posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/6/2000 at 10:14:51 AM
What Colour is this?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Robinhood posted by Kevin C. on 6/6/2000 at 7:29:29 PM

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Robinhood posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/7/2000 at 6:51:15 AM
Ok, Color. What color is this Robin Hood?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Robinhood posted by Phil on 6/9/2000 at 4:36:03 AM
The color is black, with original decals and namebadge

AGE / VALUE:   sturney archer three speed posted by: tom smith on 6/2/2000 at 12:10:10 PM
I have two three speed bicycles, male and female models of Sturney Archer/Dunelt that are in immaculate condition. From the wheel well I guess they were produced in 1965. They are complete with Schwinn Leather Bags in the front and back. All parts have made in England printed on them. Could someone please tell me what they are worth? Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Grand Prix posted by: Ken on 6/2/2000 at 10:33:48 AM
Have a Raleigh Super Grand Prix, would like some help in finding out its age and value if any. I believe its 70s vintage. The badge on the headset stem is a gold bird of sorts. The paint (gold and black) is in fair condition. Where it says Super Grand Prix on the top tube is in pretty rough shape, looks like a silk screen, not a decal. Can't find any serial #s, are there any? Any info would be appreciated. Thanx!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Grand Prix posted by Ken on 6/9/2000 at 10:46:06 AM
Christopher Robin can you help?? Was told that you're
a guru of sorts on Raleighs. Thanx!!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Grand Prix posted by Ken on 6/12/2000 at 10:41:57 PM
Well I guess I heard wrong, its been a few days and nothing
from Christopher Robin. Guess I'll ask Pooh Bear instead. Sorry for the inconvience all. Next time.... Thanx fer nuttin

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shower caps posted by: claudia on 6/1/2000 at 9:07:26 PM
I just returned from a driving trip to British Columbia to collect
a rowing dinghy we had made in Victoria. Along the way I
took all the shower caps provided by the motels
we stayed in as they make excellent
rain covers for Brookes leather saddles. A Martha Stewart hint
for all you leather saddle mavens out there.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shower caps posted by Wings on 6/1/2000 at 10:46:18 PM
I purchase the large size Zip Loc bags to keep my sandwiches in! I save the bags and use them to keep my saddles dry!!! When I get overstocked on my bags I take them to the local college on a rainy day and cover all the saddles I can find! Shower caps -- I never use them. Never saw them in Motel 6! But you have a good idea!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shower caps posted by Clyde on 6/2/2000 at 8:25:41 PM
As Claudia knows, motel shower caps are a great protector of Brooks saddles in rainy weather. You can also use an extra-large, store-bought version as a helmet cover.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shower caps posted by Fred on 6/4/2000 at 2:36:22 AM
The folks in Florida use plastic grocery bags. The handles make good ties. They are so plentiful you don't have to re-use them. They are also good for covering the mirrors on cars to protect them from the Pileated Woodpeckers. They perch on the doorsills and see themselves in the mirror and being territorial, think their image is a competing bird. They will hammer on the mirror and can easily break them. Where else can you get such information?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shower caps posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/6/2000 at 12:13:40 PM
English Raleigh Bicycles with a new Brooks Leather saddle. -Its a Good thing!

AGE / VALUE:   How to fit cables on Raleigh's self-adjusting brake lever unit posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 6/1/2000 at 4:02:55 PM
I have acquired a 22 inch frame, 26 inch wheel mens, Raleigh Sports with the black plastic self adjusting brakes.

I ran into trouble so I decided to check the owners manuel that came with this bicycle.
I quote:
The brake lever automatically adjusts the amount of free play in the cable inner- wire by an internal spring actuating a ratchet wheel, which moves the cable adjuster inside the lever hood.
When the inner- wire becomes stretched or the brake blocks worn-a pull on the brake lever actuates the ratchet wheel(with audible click)and the cable adjuster will move outwards.
Rotation of cable adjuster is ANTI-CLOCKWISE R.H. LEVER -- -CLOCKWISE L.H. LEVER (handlebars viewed from the riding position)
If the brake blocks are too near the wheel rim, i.e. making it difficult to apply the brake lever, the ratchet wheel can be rotated by hand- in the opposite direction- to increase the gap between the wheel rim and the brake block.

1. Loosen pinch bolt on brake stirrup and remove cable.

2.Remove outer cable from lever
(a)Loosen retaining spring clip from lever hood
(b)Detach hood assembly from lever.
(c)Detach cable nipple from lever-slide hood assembly off inner wire

3.Remove outer cover from new cable. Ensure that ratchet wheel is screwed into adjuster leaving 1/4" gap between adjuster and ratchet wheel. Push inner wire through centre of ratchet wheel and cable adjuster and fit plastic hood. Insert cable nipple into lever. Register the lever projection inside ratchet spring and locate spigot on ratchet wheel into hole in lever fulcrum. Secure retaining clip- operate lever sevral times to check mechanical function. Push outer cable over inner wire, feed inner wire through holes in cable stop and pinch bolt on stirrup. Ensuring that outer cable is located in seating at brake lever and cable stop on stirrup, pull through surplus inner wire, and whilst maintaining 1/8 clearance between brake blocks and rim, fully tighten pinch bolt nut.(THIS IS IMPORTANT)

4.finally operate lever to obtain correct brake adjustment.
Lubricate cable adjuster threads occasionally.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to fit cables on Raleigh's self-adjusting brake lever unit posted by Warren on 6/1/2000 at 5:34:22 PM
You know, I LOVE those levers/hoods for the ease and range you get from the long knurled adjusters and also for their overall aesthetic. I don't like the self-adjusting mechanism itself. I remove the little triangular clip in the black hoods with a pair of needle noses, (I keep them), and they work perfectly. IMHO the whole self-adjusting concept was a little over the top. I think it's satisfying to take in the slack in your brakes now and then.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to fit cables on Raleigh's self-adjusting brake lever unit posted by ChristopherRobin on 6/2/2000 at 7:07:18 AM
This is something that should be done by a bicycle shop mechanic if you have any doubts. The brakes are extremely important, and I would not hesitate to replace any brake set that does not stop the bicycle on a dime. Regardless if it is origonal or not. These stiffen up and need to be lubricated and adjusted properly.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We've decided posted by: Bridget on 5/31/2000 at 11:36:34 AM
Well - just to keep everyone up to date. My hubby is going to be off for a week in July - and was wondering if there was something we could all do as a family - I suggested the Drive to Ill, and he thinks its a great idea -The lady whom I purchased the 28" Raleigh is being kind enough to hold it for me. Soo a family trip to get my Raleigh! B

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We've decided posted by Kevin C. on 5/31/2000 at 2:50:41 PM
Be sure to take the van. Those old DL-1s are pretty bulky if you don't want to take the wheels off.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   We've decided posted by phil on 6/1/2000 at 5:32:01 AM
Well, that seems to solve everything........except where to get a DL-1 for your husband. Enjoy your trip.

   Another convert enters the field posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 6/1/2000 at 6:55:34 AM
Your husband needs a mens model Raleigh, the mate to this bike as it were. I wish you both many happy hours of cycling together in the Summer evenings. When you get ready to overhaul/tune up before you ride this, let us know.

   RE:Another convert enters the field posted by Wings on 6/1/2000 at 10:41:31 PM
Ata Girl Bridget!
You have turned the problem into a vacation!
A good trip to you and your family!

   RE:RE:Another convert enters the field posted by Oscar on 6/2/2000 at 7:21:05 PM
Good bike scoping in Aurora, IL: There's a Salvation Army downtown on Broadway across from the bank. It's somewhat of a grim area, buy they move all kinds of bikes through the shop.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Spring Ride posted by: Bill H on 5/31/2000 at 9:52:18 AM
Yesterday a friend came over and we decided to ride the old 3 speeds around town. My friend has a Bennoto road bike and an old Raleigh Super Course, but not much experience with old 3 speeds. I showed him my stable and he decided to ride the DL-1, while I picked my 70's Sports that has been modified with alloy rims, stem, and alloy Priest bars from Rivendell. (Don't despair, I have an all orginal Rudge and Dunelt also, for when I need to "Ride Awheel on Sheffield Steel"). To the uninitiated this bike looks like a regular Raleigh Sports 3 speed, and the pleasing lines are preserved, but it rides like the wind with those light wheels. We headed out of my neighborhood and joined a pretty dirt path that winds through some fields alonside the swollen creek. We paused at a pretty vista, and while Paul fooled around with his medium format camera, I imagined I was a kid in the UK during the Battle of Britain, waiting for "The Few" to land their Spitfires and Hurricanes out in the field in front of us. The days prior had been hot (in the 80's), but today a cold front had slid south from Wyoming bringing nice cool temperatures to the area and the overcast kept the hot sun from burning us. After packing up the photo gear we continued on the dirt path, under the highway and back into the country. We wound our way downtown, with Paul commenting on how comfortable the riding position was on the DL-1, and the stately feel the long wheelbase contributes to the ride. We stopped for lunch at the Irish pub (which has two old Roadsters inside to lend atmosphere) for some soup and a stout, then continued on the ride. We switched bikes, but Paul wanted back on the DL-1. Despite the lighter wheels and sportier geometry, the Sports didn't have the allure of the Roadster. We wound our way through the campus (University of Colorado), stopping at the geology building to admire the huge rock slabs and fossils on display, then continued on, glad not to be involved in the stresses of academia. We finished the ride along the pretty Bear Creek path, a bikepath that winds its way along a small stream, passing under many cross streets rather than making you wait for traffic. What a great ride. This is why we learn how to rebuild hubs and freshen up the chrome. This is why we comb yard sales and stockpile bikes. Nothing can beat a cruise through the country on the old 3 speed, and if you want to be in Britain in World War 2, watching the contrails and listening for the roar of the Merlin engines, nothing can stop that either. I put up a picture of the bikes on Readers Web pages, "My Brit bikes..still the best way.......Happy Riding Bill H.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Spring Ride posted by Dash on 6/1/2000 at 8:04:51 AM
What an excellent ride, and great pictures. The African Raleigh is indeed a beauty. You know, I don't get to take lavish vacations to exotic locales but occasionally I get to take the DL-1 to a secluded farm road or a forgotten dirt path by a riverbank and that works pretty well for me. BTW, if you want to get alittle more "spitfire" (though maybe not as escapist as some of those mentioned on Rivendell), there is a little company down the road from me, Bill's Khakis (billskhakis.com), that manufactures exact WWII replica pants, totally within their little old red-brick warehouse. They are quite expensive, especially for a bargain hunter like me, but they have the life of 3 pairs-very handsome and durable with incredibly deep pockets. They have U.S. and U.K.-spec models. As we're all appreciators of functional, well-made, utilitarian products, I thought y'all would like to know, especially if it might enhance your ride!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Value posted by: Rob. Wheelersburg on 5/31/2000 at 6:32:32 AM
Can someone tell me the current value of the following English bicycle:

1975 Falcon Coventry Eagle; Ernie Clemente signature, handmade in England; 10 speed, 23"; alloy downtubing Reynold's 53; Campagnola derrailer, hubs, colterless crank.

This bike was recently stolen and we need an approximately value for the insurance.

Thanks much

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Value posted by ART on 5/31/2000 at 8:17:08 PM
There are two falcons for sale on Classic bicycle rendezvous. One is $1050 the other $150. I saw one at a swap meet here for around three hundred. It was in really rough shape.

WANTED:   S/A shifter posted by: red on 5/30/2000 at 10:34:14 PM
Speaking of 4-speed S/A hubs, does anyone know where (or from whom) I can buy a 4-speed shifter. I would prefer one from the early 1950s, but beggars can't be choosers.

MISC:   Raleigh Wayfarer posted by: ART on 5/30/2000 at 4:31:21 PM
I found a Raleigh Wayfarer.It has a 4 speed S/A rear hub dated 1973. Fenders. 26 Dunlop tires. Raleigh pedals. Caliper brakes, rear is missing. A guy wants fifty dollars for it. Anybody know anything about it? The seller didn't know if the hub was correct vintage. I know nothing. What is this?

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh Wayfarer posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/31/2000 at 9:33:47 AM
The hub alone is worth $50.00. I have never heard of the name Wayfarer, but I would snap this up quickly!

MISC:   Wolber rims posted by: Warren on 5/30/2000 at 4:06:46 AM
Hey Fred...weren't you looking for a Wolber Super Champion rim? There's 2 36-hole NOS beauties on eBay item #345246958.

   RE:MISC:   Wolber rims posted by Fred on 5/31/2000 at 7:55:09 PM
Thanks for the tip.