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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Criterium race posted by: Fred on 8/28/2000 at 6:27:09 AM
A good way to get pumped up about biking is to go to a good race. Yesterday my wife and I spent the day at the Chris Thater Memorial race in Binghamton, NY. Both mens and womens races are for pro's. Its one thing to watch a tour on TV but to stand and have a hundred riders going 40 mph a few feet from you is quite another. The sound is beautiful. I regretted that I didn't ride my Fuji DS to the event. I didn't know any names but one rider, Antonio Cruz, will be on the olympic team at the upcoming games in Australia. There were pro skaters and hand pedal cyclists racing as well. It was interesting to see men's and women's match sprints-bikes against skates. The skaters get away faster but are beaten to the line in anything over 200 feet. Oh, if only I were young again.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Criterium race posted by Keith on 8/28/2000 at 9:19:40 AM
Antonio was also at the Wendy's Classic in Columbus OH about a month ago -- got his autograph. These crit riders go all out -- standing at a corner and watching them do it at 35 or so a few mm apart is bearthtaking. The packs create a vortex like a truck going by. At the Wendy's race Saturn passed out beautiful B&W posters of the teams. Really fun. My daughter and I did warm up laps with th riders on the last day.

MISC:   What's the matter with people? posted by: phil on 8/27/2000 at 8:41:19 AM
Last evening my family and I went to a free concert on our town "green" (or common to you Boston types). Livingston Taylor and Tom Chapin. Maybe 2-3 thousand people.

So, we rode to town on our bikes and my wife drove with the picnic stuff. My kids declined the use of their Raleigh Colts (instead choose their mountain bikes). I put an old but beautiful Raleigh Sports step through (full chaincase) on the back of the car for my wife's use when she got there.
And I choose a large frame Sports that I had just finished completely disassembling in order to clean and shine it properly.

The bike was beautiful, root beer brown, shiney and looking like new. Decked out with orginal pump, a perfect B72, and sporting an orginal Brooks saddlebag. We got there early and staked out a spot for us and our family friends.

Anyway, the green filled up, people, blankets, kids, ball playing, coolers, kids on bikes, kids on those little stainless steel scooters.....and my beautiful bike.

Now I expected someone......anyone.....some guy who had one in his youth, maybe....to come up to me and say,"Wow, I had one of those as a kid. That's a beauty, where'd you get it?"

But, nothing. Oh, well. But I sure loved riding that bike yesterday.

   RE:MISC:   What's the matter with people? posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 8/27/2000 at 10:25:45 AM
Those little stainless steel scooters are everywhere.Have you noticed this? Hope you had a good time, sometimes people just admire and do not approach and say something.

   RE:RE:MISC:   What's the matter with people? posted by Kevin C. on 8/27/2000 at 1:23:27 PM
I like to think they were speechless. In their hearts, they probably were saying, "Thank you God. I have seen your masterpiece, and I am thankful for it."

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   What's the matter with people? posted by Wings on 8/27/2000 at 10:37:20 PM
No! They were depressed! They did not even see the little aluminum scooters. They were blinded by the awsome beauty of your bike and remembered the day when they put their bike out with the trash or dropped it off at the Goodwill truck. They pondered the moment of their stupidity with great regret as your bike stood 10 times taller and 100 times more beautiful and they could not approach you--because the memories that your bike flooded their minds with kept them so busy. You brought joy to thousands and gave them memories of the days gone by as they were being run over by little silver scooters. That is what I think!

   RE:MISC:   What's the matter with people? posted by Fred on 8/28/2000 at 6:21:41 AM
I'll tell you whats the matter with folks; they look but they don't see. Or; they don't see anything that isn't trendy-like mountain bikes. Early this summer I went to my FBS (favorite bike shop), to buy a Sports and a Triumph,both looking like new. There was a young boy about 15 looking at used bikes also. When he saw what I was looking at and the prices he said, "why would anyone pay that much for old bikes". On the other hand I wouldn't pay a dime for what he was looking at. Point of view and interest. I am always amazed at how some folks can walk by my Packard which is a huge and beautiful car and not even notice that its different from the moderns nearby. As Pooh bear says; "its a puzzlement".

   RE:RE:MISC:   What's the matter with people? posted by Peter on 8/28/2000 at 3:45:33 PM
Some of them were probably thinking: "Look ... a Raleigh Sports. It looks just like the one Mom and Dad bought me in 1969 when I asked for a Lemon Peeler."

AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Mens Bicycle posted by: John Connaughton on 8/27/2000 at 6:38:17 AM
Does anyone know how much a 1950's rudge mens bicycle is worth ? ? ?

FOR SALE:   Nice men's DL-1 on eBay posted by: Kevin C. on 8/26/2000 at 4:08:16 AM
There's a nice clean 1972 men's Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 28-inch with rod brakes, on eBay (not mine). Only one bid has been submitted and there's one day left on the auction. # 415536110.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Nice men's DL-1 on eBay posted by sam on 8/26/2000 at 7:01:17 PM
Also take a look at the girls rod brake bike on ebay (not mine)#415948530 ,EATON CO. has a shifter on the down tube.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Nice men's DL-1 on eBay posted by Paul on 8/27/2000 at 7:28:29 PM
The DL-1 was a nice bike for the $150...one bid only...that it sold for! But the fenders just didn't look like the 1972 Raleigh fenders I am used to seeing..with the chrome tip not on the front fender and the raised squarish shape that is on my 1972 fenders not on these rounded fenders...so I passed, which may have been a mistake. This can still be seen under "Completed items"..Clip the advanced search next to the regular place you type in a item search.It was shown under Raleigh. Was I incorrect about the fenders...just curious.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Nice men's DL-1 on eBay posted by phil on 8/28/2000 at 6:21:34 AM
Paul, the DL-1 has those broad rounded fenders as in the pictures in the picture database. The "creased" front fender with the bullet nose is a "Sports" fender.

The $150 price seems fairly low for ebay, but value is in the eye of the beholder. Yes?

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Nice men's DL-1 on eBay posted by Paul on 8/28/2000 at 3:10:23 PM
Oh, well...I goofed again. I guess there will always be another bicycle.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Twenty / Folders posted by: Paul on 8/25/2000 at 5:06:40 PM
Can this site also become the official site of for fabulous Raleigh Twenty / Folder bicycles? They fit more into this category than any other...3 speed SA hubs, Made in England during Raleigh's good years. Mine just arrived in the mail and if you have never had the pleasure of owning one...think about it! With the handle bars and seat extended, its similar to a full size bike but the smaller tires make it fun to ride and quick bike! I would love to hear comments by other Raleigh Twenty and Raleigh Folder owners on this site and on a regular basis. Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Twenty / Folders posted by Wings on 8/26/2000 at 1:00:07 AM
I have a Raleigh Folder 20 inch. I also have a Raleigh Folder 16 inch and I do not hear much about the 16 inch. Are they as common as the 20 inch?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Twenty / Folders posted by Paul on 8/26/2000 at 7:00:04 AM
I did have a Raleigh Twenty Folder, but disposed of it
since my right heel would often foul the selector chain
just forward of the rear axle. Surprisingly, I missed it,
but fortunately found a Stratton 20 inch Folder and rebuilt
that as well. Curiously, although the frames are quite
similar, the right heel does not foul at all. The Stratton
appears to have been made in Italy for the U.K. market.
This bike goes in the trailer, or on the van rack, for use
around the campsite when on holiday. Two modifications made
a world of difference: 1. The overall gearing was lowered,
using a larger rear sprocket, to give a top gear of approx.
72 inches; 2. and fatter tyres with a slightly chunkier tread were fitted. The split steerer tube which clamps the
gooseneck, or handlebar stem, on both the above-mentioned
frames, can also be a source of frustration as the head
bearing adjustment tends to work loose.
I did recently see a magazine article about two chaps
riding around the world, one on a Raleigh Twenty.
The Raleigh Folder 16 inch sounds like a R.S.W. (Raleigh
Small Wheel), although I was not aware that they had a
folding frame. They did have balloon tyres, in order to
compete with the Moulton (Series One).Cheers.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Twenty / Folders posted by Sheldon "Twenty" Brown on 8/26/2000 at 8:16:24 AM
I've got a baaad case of Raleigh Twenty disease. See my page on this topic at:


I did own a RSW 16" folder, but found it too heavy and slow, sold it on eBay.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Twenty / Folders posted by Keith on 8/28/2000 at 9:23:32 AM
Not to run it into the ground -- and Sheldon knows the guys -- but there's a group of Twenty/RSW riders who do CENTURIES on these things. Whew!

FOR SALE:   Original Raleigh pedals, $15/pr., postpaid posted by: Kevin C. on 8/25/2000 at 4:26:30 PM
Very nice used pair of Raleigh pedals, with Sir Walter Raleigh logos on rubber blocks and on steel ends. Pedal blocks are 4-inches long, have gold reflectors, and show almost no wear. I have only pair available, $15 postpaid.

FOR SALE:   For Sale 24" Raleigh Rod Brake posted by: Bikeyard on 8/24/2000 at 5:19:18 AM
Have you ever seen a Raleigh rod brake tricycle? Email for photo. Would like to sell it. Right rear wheel is bent. Nice restoration project. Unusual.

FOR SALE:   For Sale 24" Raleigh Rod Brake posted by: Bikeyard on 8/24/2000 at 5:19:18 AM
For sale girls 24" Raleigh rod brake. Single speed freewheel. Bike has been spraybombed mint green. One connecting rod is broken. It is the one that connects from the handlebars to the adjustable piece infront of the headbadge. Should be an easy replacement. Email for photos. $100 plus shipping. I'm an hour or so North of Boston if you can pick it up.

FOR SALE:   1951 Rudge Sport posted by: Jerry on 8/23/2000 at 2:49:47 PM
I have a 1951 Rudge Sport 3 speed. Would be good for parts. Contact me via email.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sports posted by: Ron on 8/23/2000 at 4:43:29 AM
i found a Raleigh Sports 3 speed Stuy-Mayer hub, stamped 73 11. the bike is in good shape and was using it now. it comes with a Brooks seat and a bag that attached to the seat. all the nuts on this bike have a letter "R" stamped on them. the S# is PM422813 or BM422813. it has a sticker on top of the vertical tube but, i could not make out the letters except the word "tubing". any advice out there will be appreciated...tnx

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sports posted by ron on 8/23/2000 at 3:41:05 PM
i meant Sturmey-Archer hub...sorry i mispelled it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by: Bernhard Mehlig on 8/23/2000 at 4:10:49 AM

i am looking for a replacement fork for my
1956 raleigh roadster, a 26´´ locking fork
with 26 tpi threading. the front wheel is
tightened with special nuts, preventing the
wheel from falling out when the nuts are

i bought the bike while working in the UK.
last month i took the bike to a bike
shop here in freiburg. upon picking the bike
up i found that
the fork had been ruined by filing down
the press to fit bearing and rethreading
the threads to 24 tpi.

since then i´ve been quite desperately
looking for a replacement fork of similar
age and type.

apart from the fork (and, sadly, the bottom bracket
bearings) the bike is in good condition.
has anybody come across 26 tpi bottom
bracke shells, chain side?



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Sheldon Brown on 8/23/2000 at 7:03:57 PM
How long is the steering column? This is different for different frame sizes. I think we've got a NOS fork like this at the shop.

Sheldon Brown
Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Bernhard Mehlig on 8/24/2000 at 12:15:48 PM
dear sheldon,

thanks very much indeed. i'm presently away from freiburg.i'll
let you know the length as soon as i return.

i found a 36 h rear dynohub the other day which i'll put in
as soon as i'm back in freiburg. are there halogen bulbs
available that can be used with the dynohub? i've been
looking for regulators, but the ones i saw were for 3 watts,
whereas the dynohub apparently produces 2 watts?

yours bernhard

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   re-assembling a DL-1 posted by: Deb on 8/22/2000 at 2:18:20 PM
I'm getting my Raleigh Tourist unassembled in a box at the end of the week. I've been looking at the schematic drawings that are on this site and I've been reading Sheldon's "Servicing English Three Speeds". Anything else I should be looking at? If it turns out that I'm not up to it--does anyone know a bike shop in Brooklyn (I'm in Cobble Hill-Carroll Gardens area) that is up to these Raleigh DL-1s?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   re-assembling a DL-1 posted by phil on 8/23/2000 at 4:50:36 PM
You can do it, Deb.

Before you start putting it back together, clean the heck out it. An old toothbrush, some "tar" remover, some old rags, some fine steel wool.....and clean, clean, clean.

Then start assembling. Go slowly, start with something simple, like getting the front wheel back on. Then the back wheel, then let us know how it's going, and ask your questions.

Remember, a picture is worth a thousand lousey explainations.

Good luck.

AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield posted by: Elisabeth on 8/22/2000 at 12:37:13 PM
I have just acquired a Royal Enfield bicycle. Can anybody help me in dating it? It has holes for a string skirtguard, rod brakes, no gears, black, single fork. Thanks.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules hubs posted by: John on 8/21/2000 at 10:04:10 PM
I have a, pre-Raleigh, Hercules rod-brake roadster with a Hercules 3 speed Hub. Unfortunately, the indicator chain is broken so I need to replace it. According to Sheldon Brown's website, Hercules really did make their own hubs. He says this about them:

>Hercules made their own 3-speed hubs, which were
>pretty-much identical to the older Sturmey-Archer
>AW. Hercules hubs continued to use threaded drivers
>long after Stumrmey-Archer abandoned them.

My question is, does the "pretty-much identical" extend far enough that I can use a Sturmey-Archer indicator chain with the Hercules hub? I suppose I could just order one and see if it fits ...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules hubs posted by Keith on 8/22/2000 at 6:11:48 AM
Sheldon could and others here could give you the definative answer, but I think they were made under licence and were virtually identical, and indicators could very well be interchangeable. Your approach is logical -- you'll find lots of SA indicators out there -- doubt you'll find many made by Hercules. Some shops still have them lying around -- go in and try it before you buy it!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules hubs posted by ChristopherRobin on 8/22/2000 at 12:30:19 PM
The indicator chains are identical. I would read the notes on adjustment of the Sturmey- Archer A.W. 3 speed hub under the Hadland website. Scroll down here and see where Sheldon has told us about the Service manuel sheets Tony Hadland has made available thru his web site.

Everything is interchangable when it comes to the 3 speed A.W. hub. Wheather it is Sturmey-Archer, Sears 3 speed, Brampton, Hercules, or Steyr. The partsd are interchangable. However a longer axle hub took a indicator chain that was also longer. Do not get up off the seat and sprint(ride quickly while off of the bike seat) with a Sturmey-Archer hub if there is even the slightest doubt it may be out of adjustment.These hubs freewheel around not going into any gear if you have it adjusted wrongly. There is a whole list of troubleshooting tips to look out for such as a gear shift cable being kinked. Find a used paperback bookstore and buy a bicycle repair book for six dollars or so and read a chapter a night.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules hubs posted by John on 8/22/2000 at 8:22:03 PM

Thanks to both of you for your replies. I decided to stop in at a local bike shop to see if they had S-A chains and they did. I presented the broken chain to the girl at the counter and she found a plausible looking replacement. I took it home and it fit quite nicely. After a bit of adjusting, the Hercules has returned to the road.

The bike shop also sold new bikes that looked like they were probably DL-1 copies. They were from China, sold under the Phoenix name. I wasn't terribly impressed by them. They had Archer 3 speed hubs at least, but didn't seem very well finished on the whole. For example, where my Hercules has oval cross-sectioned brake levers that taper nicely to their ends, this had cylindrical rods of steel, bent to shape and cut off square at the ends -- ugh.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   humber or raleigh ? posted by: Lee on 8/21/2000 at 9:33:50 PM
Ok,Im in a quandry. I have researched this site and still dont know what I have. Not a lot of info on Humbers out there. I followed the advice in many of the discussion areas and started to look more closely at my new find.
Here's what i can see:
Humber sports mens model
Brooks b.72 leather seat
Chain gaurd on top only
Michigan nylon 26x1/38 LHR tires
Airpump on front upright tube
Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub with 71 11 stamp
lots of Hunmber decals and plate
one decal that may read: Raleigh Industry
Looks like a DL-1 roadster 1971

any help in identifing this bike would be great. Id like to know what I have BEFORE I start to play arround with it.
Thank you all for your assistance.....Lee

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   humber or raleigh ? posted by phil on 8/22/2000 at 9:38:17 AM
you have a Humber Sports as the decal on the frame, and the headbadge says. Humber, by 1971, was owned by Raleigh Industries, and your bike is virtually identical to a Raleigh Sports. Long gone were the very neat "double tube" front forks, a really neat Humber feature on the older models.

The cool thing you have is the pump. They're not that common anymore, although they don't work very well, they've generally been lost, stolen, discarded, or used by a little brother as a "gun" and left in the woods.

Clean it up, grease it up, air it up and ride.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   humber or raleigh ? posted by ChristopherRobin on 8/22/2000 at 12:39:24 PM
Do the tires say Michelin or Michigan? I ask because I think I have seen tires with Michigan written on the sidewall.
Do you have the little men running around in a circle on the crank?
This is a cool bike, I would like to do a timeline on Humber bikes. I heard that the double fork went all the way up to 1980. I doubt this but my source was adamant.
I have an paper service sheet and it shows the models and it has the heading

Humber, The Wheel by which all others are judged.