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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   Free - Raleigh ladies Sprite posted by: jim on 9/26/2000 at 10:09:55 AM
ladies - "mixte frame" complete, dark brown frame & fenders drop bars, quite rideable, probably would look good after cleaning & compounding. Q.R. F&R, 10 spd, Suntour rear derailleur has the Raleigh name in the casting. Calculate shipping from NJ

FOR SALE:   Ladies Raleigh Superbe & Sports, m/f Herc's posted by: Jim on 9/26/2000 at 9:54:47 AM
Superbe - Forest green, Raleigh Pattern wheels, complete, avg-gd cond, Phillips brakes, late '60's early '70's vintage $95. Sports - dark brown, excellent paint, early- mid '70's $85, Mens & Ladies Hercules, mens - dark green, ladies - gold, both have been fitted w/ Shimano 3spd hubs, $70ea / $130 pair, all + shipping.

AGE / VALUE:   FOR SALE 1930's raleigh tourist posted by: chip on 9/26/2000 at 6:53:13 AM
I have a 1930's raleigh tourist for sale. It's has the 28" tires,
completely inclosed chainguard.Brookes leather seat with the
original tool bag with the tools in it, hanging off the seat.
The tire pump,The built in rear tire lock.The brakes have the
rods not cables.All original and in great shape.You can see a
picture at my web page.www.geocities.com/dubaywallhanger/index.html
on my pic page.If interested please email me. Thanks, Chip

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   FOR SALE 1930's raleigh tourist posted by Chip on 9/27/2000 at 8:15:56 AM
THere is a correction on the 1930's I was told it was a 1930's
model, but the hub has 57' on it.THe serial # is under the saddle
and it is DE31803.So I'm not sure of it's year.Looking at the serial
# on oldroads It's hard to tell the year.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shift cable, rear bearing adjustment posted by: Dorian Smith on 9/25/2000 at 8:20:15 PM
Two questions about my 1969 Raleigh Sports -- bought from a junkyard in good shape. How is the shift cable routed? It wasn't attached when I got it -- however, I have all the parts (clamp, etc.) I think it runs along the top tube down to the pulley underneath the seat. But it looks like it would be in the way of the brake cable, which also runs along the top tube.

How loose is the bearing adjustment on the rear wheel? It seems that I either have it too tight or quite loose. When it is loose and on the bike the two brake pads don't grab the rim at the same time.

I have looked at Sheldon Brown's (excellent) website, but am still curious about these two adjustments.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shift cable, rear bearing adjustment posted by Grant on 9/26/2000 at 6:53:40 AM
On a gentleman's Raleigh the shift cable goes from the shifter
on the right handlebar to a clamp on the top tube about 3"
behind the steering post. Thence a bare wire goes to a pulley
near the top of the seat post, and finally down to the axle.
The shift cable runs along the right side of the frame. The brake
cable is right next to it but in practice there is no problem.
You can put the brake cable more to the top of the tube.
If the original fastening clips are missing you can use black
cable ties from the hardware store.

Ball bearings should be adjusted so the wheel turns freely and
smoothly. There should be no binding or rough feeling. With
wheel fixed in the frame there should be slight side play,
say 1/8" at the tire.

The brake should be self centering. The fixing bolt
in the center pivot has a friction washer. To adjust the
friction loosen the nut, then adjust the screw with a screw
driver until the arms move with a slight drag when you
squeeze them but with little or no free play. You may need
to readjust after you use them a while, they will break in
and get looser after you adjust them.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   shift cable, rear bearing adjustment posted by Frank on 9/27/2000 at 5:35:08 AM
Check the exploded diagrams on the main page of this site.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The DL-1 - the bike you can ride posted by: Keith on 9/25/2000 at 9:22:46 AM
After riding nothing but lightweights since July (about the time of the TDF), I've returned to riding my DL-1. It took me about 5 minutes longer to get to work on it today than it does on a lightweight, but I'm so comfortable and happy when I'm on the DL-1, that the 5 minutes longer is really a bonus.

   I gotta get used to it. posted by Oscar on 9/27/2000 at 12:10:32 PM
I've been riding drop bars since I was a baritone. Yesterday, though, I road my long neglected city bike with North Road bars. It's weird to be steering from so far back. I'm used to having my hands above the front hub. With the roadster bars, I was steering with my hands above my knees! It kind of reminds me of driving my Dad's Lincoln Town Car!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The DL-1 - the bike you can ride posted by Keith on 9/27/2000 at 12:47:15 PM
I loaned a bike with North Road pattern bars to a roadie friend. "This bike is unstable!" he said. It wasn't he just wasn't used to the steering at or behind the steering tube. I switch back and forth all the time now. Today I'm back on drops.

MISC:   SA DEMISE INEVITABLE? posted by: Warren on 9/24/2000 at 3:00:20 PM
I ran out and bought a Brooks Pro saddle today and started to reflect on the closing of Sturmey/Brooks etc. I suspect someone will pick up the Brooks end of the business. Sturmey, however has been fighting an uphill battle against Shimano for some time now. The only way they could survive was to successfully market the high-end multi-speed hubs...and that clearly wasn't happening. Sure there are shops here and there across the Canada and the US that loyally carried the Sturmey line but their hubs tended to be expensive and I doubt there was much profit in it for SA. Nexus hubs are often spec on many new bikes. Not so for SA.

As for the 3 speeds...we'll be enjoying AW hubs and their brethren for as long as we're able to peddle...so will our grandchildren. Probably one of the best made products ever. IMHO of course.

   Preserve what you have!! (How do you do that?) posted by Keith on 9/25/2000 at 7:38:39 AM
It's time to seriously discuss how best to treat a Brooks now that they are worth at least twice as much and are irreplaceable. For one thing, let's compare and discuss the advice of two experts, Sheldon "Soak it in Neat's Foot" Brown, and Grant "Proofide Only" Peterson. I've used Neat's Foot for about 28 years. My B-17 got soft, and I had to tension it a few years back. But would a saddle last longer with Proofide only? I bought a new B-66 about a year ago. I did the Sheldon Brown Neat's Foot soak. It got REALLY soft right away. Too soft maybe? I just got two Rivendell B-17s. I want them to last foreover, and I'm going to try Proofide only, even if it hurts! What the heck is so special secret about Proofide that it's the only thing to use? And why were there two types (red and plain)? Is Proofide just beeswax and lanolin? The plain stuff looks like Kiwi neutral to me, but doesn't smell like it. There's lots of leather casre products out there. Which is best? Enlighten me, and share your best Brooks treatment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   RE:Preserve what you have!! (How do you do that?) posted by Bill H on 9/25/2000 at 10:04:17 AM
There is something extracted from a fish in Proofhide. Give it a good wiff. I've heard stories of deer nibbling on saddles of hapless bike tourists at night, and my dog gets real interested in my saddle after a Proofhide job. I'm of the Proofhide only school. I've heard the soak jobs soften the saddles quick because they start breaking down the the leather fibers, like tenderizing a steak. Carry a shower cap from a hotel at all times, so you can cover the saddle during unexpected rains. If you don't have fenders put Proofhide on the underside of the saddle as well, to protect from spray. Don't ride it wet if you can avoid it, tension it as little as possible, and in the latter years of use you can hold the flaring sides of the saddle in by drilling holes near the edges and lacing the saddle up with shoe lace, in a matching color of course. This is better for the saddle than cranking up the tension bolt. Lets hope Brooks gets rescued.

   RE:Preserve what you have!! (How do you do that?) posted by JohnM on 9/25/2000 at 11:23:05 AM
I'm with you on the Proofide only for new saddles - that's what SA recommends, or recommended, and they obviously know a thing or two about leather. Plus, I'm willing to suffer some short term pain if it means the saddle will last an extra decade or two. I have an older B66 which was a special case, however. It's on a 1955 Raleigh Sports which was garaged in Wyoming and Montana for about 40 years. Very dry - when I bought it, the chrome was immaculate, but the saddle was hard as a rock. I covered it with Snoseal top and bottom, and warmed it with my wife's hair dryer until the Snoseal melted. As soon as some dry spots appeared, I stopped and spread more Snoseal on it. After three coatings, the saddle is very soft and supple, without any noticeable stretching. I think Snowseal has a lot of beeswax and lanolin like proofhide, but it liquifies at a somewhat lower temperature, and might be better for very dry leather. I know it works well because I've been using it on a pair of cross-country ski boots for twenty years.

   RE:RE:Preserve what you have!! (How do you do that?) posted by Bill H on 9/25/2000 at 6:53:03 PM
Yes, when it gets to that point, you can declare an emergency and do what it takes!

MISC:   German 3-speed posted by: Karen on 9/24/2000 at 4:15:21 PM
I have a bike I purchased in Germany (new) in 1979. It is a black ladie's bike, 28 inch tires, Torpedo Dreigang coaster hub. I can't find any info on this bike - how to adjust gears, where to get parts, etc. anywhere. Does anyone know anything about this bike? The salesman told me it was a reproduction of an antique Dutch bike (and indeed I saw many like it in Amsterdam). It's not a Raleigh, the rear hub drop outs are just straight not elbow-ed. Who made this bike?

   RE:MISC:   German 3-speed posted by sam on 9/24/2000 at 8:03:05 PM
Dreigang means 3-speed.Torpedo rearends were made by SACHS of germany,the same people who made starters for VW.SACHS is now owned by SRAM of U.S.A. as for parts or tec info????

   RE:MISC:   German 3-speed posted by Paul Aslanides on 9/25/2000 at 4:31:36 AM
The three-speed Sachs hub you have is easily adjusted,
same way as the three-speed Sturmey-Archer. It should hardly
require much adjustment unless the wheel has been out,
perhaps for a puncture repair, or new tyre. Suggest you
consult Sheldon Brown's excellent website. You can learn
the technique of adjusting/resetting after wheel replacement from there.

The old Dutch roadsters, although heavy, gave a lovely
ride, the most 'Regal' riding position one could ever find.
I wonder if your machine has a fully enclosed chaincase,
full mudguards (fenders), skirt or coatguard, rear rack/
stand, and concealed wiring?
Happy Cycyling.

AGE / VALUE:   saturday posted by: sam on 9/24/2000 at 2:16:20 PM
WE got up early for the trip Saturday to beat the heat(but I wanted to see if I could find any bike shops open in the morning). As we drove and had our coffee we realised I had not been in Eagle Pass sence our son was born(18 yr).Could we find our way around?My fears were put to rest--it had changed some but not like Laredo.Crossed into Mexico at 9:30am Piedras Negras had not changed much.Found some stores for the wife then off to look for bike shops.Got lost the first time but recovered fast.The hardware store sold bike parts.(out side sat a western flyer ballooner) I got 3 par of 28"tires.then off to the market and still with and eye out for bikes.A lady cane by selling tanales so we got a doz., we walked and ate.As we cane to a corner an old man(60+)zoomed by on his monark super delux,the sun gleameing off the chrome double spring fork.Only got to admire a short look , he was keeping pase with the cars.It still had the large chrome rear tail light.and he was gone!(50 years in dayly use and still going eat your hart out bunny)On one else looked.Got late had to go--was a good Saturday. Sam

AGE / VALUE:   Unused English "Baycliff" Saddlebag, $35 ppd. posted by: Kevin C. on 9/23/2000 at 6:22:22 PM
Never used, genuine English "Baycliff" saddle bag with two side pockets. Smooth black vinyl with fabric interior, leather reinforcement points, two leather mounting straps on main bag and single mounting straps on the side pockets.All have aluminum buckles. Top quality, waterproof bag with red and white "Baycliff, Made In England" tag. Two straps mount to seat and one around seat post. $35 postpaid.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Unused English posted by Christopherrobin@starmail.com on 9/24/2000 at 10:26:43 AM
I have one and these are really nice! I love the tag that says Baycliffe.

   Bag is SOLD. posted by Kevin C. on 9/24/2000 at 8:04:54 PM

AGE / VALUE:   dating ladies raleigh posted by: Dwain on 9/22/2000 at 7:56:36 AM
I think that I read somewhere that Raleigh used Dunlop tires exclusively for many years. The tires on my bike say SEMPERIT Raleigh Roadmaster Made in Austria.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dating ladies raleigh posted by Grant on 9/23/2000 at 5:15:19 PM
Hi Dwain,

I have a Raleigh made 3 speed bike with Raleigh Record tires.
The tires are marked "Foreign" with no other ID. The Sturmey
hub is dated 2 73. I think the tires are original.

I also have a Raleigh N.T.L. tire with a double white pinstripe
on the sidewall. It is marked "Made in Belgium". It came on my
Raleigh Superbe which was made in 1972.

Dunlop did furnish Raleigh's tires for many years. Then they had
a falling out over pricing and Dunlop quit making bicycle tires.
This occurred in the late 60's or early 70's. I saw a little story
about it probably on Sheldon Brown's site.

I still think you have a DL1 made in 1968, within a year or 2.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dating ladies raleigh posted by Tom Faust on 9/24/2000 at 7:40:02 PM
Semperit was a major manufacturer once. I bought a new Porsche in '64,it came with Semperits. My '78 Austro-Daimler 10 speed has 27 x 1 1/4 Semperits.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   dating ladies raleigh posted by Dwain on 9/24/2000 at 8:12:01 PM
How do I find out the range of years that Semperit made Raleigh Roadmaster 28 inch bicycle tires?

AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth equipe posted by: Dan on 9/21/2000 at 2:17:32 PM
Hi I'm looking for decale's and information on this frame I have or some where to start looking.

AGE / VALUE:   Forever roadster posted by: Mark R. on 9/21/2000 at 1:48:01 PM
Hey, Well I made araingements to sell my Forever. Everyone who showed interest: THANK YOU!
I will miss my Forever but one can't have them all. At least I have my DL-1!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Forever roadster posted by Mark R. on 9/21/2000 at 1:52:13 PM
And according to my wifey, 27 others!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Forever roadster posted by Wings on 9/21/2000 at 11:15:27 PM
Only 27???
You should have kept it!!!!

FOR SALE:   Rudge Whitworth Sports posted by: Jim on 9/21/2000 at 8:40:10 AM
Rudge Whitworth Sports, black, vgd cond, "hand" crank, Raleigh pattern rims, pump pegs, Zefal pump, chrome wire rear parcel carrier, "upside down" shift trigger, brazed shift cable pulley post, Brooks B-66 $150

   RE:FOR SALE:   Rudge Whitworth Sports posted by Leon on 9/23/2000 at 10:57:38 AM
Curious about the frame size and age of the bike. Sounds real good and the price is fair!

FOR SALE:   Puch Rugby Sports posted by: Jim on 9/20/2000 at 10:23:09 AM
DL-1 look alike, fully enclosed chain, SA 3 spd, alu bars & rims, factory gen lites, 27" wheels, Brooks B-66, $150

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RUDGE AND MONTE CARLO? posted by: Art on 9/20/2000 at 8:12:04 AM
Stopped at a bike shop on my ride from work yestereday and saw a Rudge Manhattan, complete with skycraper graphics. It has cable brakes, upright bars, enclosed chain guard, cottered crank, 1960 Sturmy Archer 3 spd/dyno combo rear hub. Also an odd Japanese roadster with front and rear racks, 9 lights front and rear, horn, lock, and enough electrical cable to wire a house. Two long c or d battery holders. Only identifying marks are T U everywhere. It has a single sprocket, Lark rear derailleur and a sliding disc behind the cluster and before the hub that adds another gear to each of the five speeds, manually. It has the word automatic on it and a lot of chinese writing. Cottered crank. Both are small bikes...18 in or so. I had never seen these bikes before.