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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Colt posted by: Adam on 10/10/2001 at 5:08:53 PM
Hi -Looking for help on determining value on a Raleigh Colt - pawn shop asking 60 said they'll take $50 - frame appears to be in very good shape, Sturmey Archer rear hub (didn't get model number or year) very shiny and looks good. No apparent dings dents or rust, and appears to have all R logo nuts. Is it worth $50? Anyone know what size tires these take and how easy/hard it is to find parts if necessary? Thinking about buying to fix up and sell or possibly as around town cruiser if I can get gearing right for the hills here (Asheville NC) Thanks for your help!! Adam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Colt posted by Clyde on 10/11/2001 at 1:31:09 AM
Adam, you better check the crank arm length to see if it's suitable for you. Mine has 140mm (5.5") crank length on an 18" girl's frame. I basically bought it for parts, but probably shouldn't have paid $20 at a flea market (too much rust on the chrome).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Colt posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/11/2001 at 4:09:12 AM
The Colt is a model made for adolescents, so it is much less desirable than, say, a Sports, although the quality is the same. Most of the parts are the same, but they do have short cranks.

Many Colts have the unreliable TCW series coaster brake 3-speed hubs, which are very bad news, and should be avoided.

Sheldon Brown

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Colt posted by Adam on 10/11/2001 at 3:20:15 PM
It does have a coaster brake on it - not sure if it is the TCW or not, but . . . chances are that it is too small for me and if it's not worth much $ and it's too small for me to ride (which I think it would be) then I don't think I'll bother - any thoughts as to whether or not it's worth more for the parts if I can get the shop down on the price a little? Thanks for your help everyone.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Colt posted by Dale Oswald on 10/11/2001 at 7:18:25 PM
Come now, doesn't one of us have a ten year old that needs a fine bike? It would be a shame to parts it out. (Unfortunately my kids are too old and no grandkids expected for a while.)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Colt posted by Adam on 10/12/2001 at 4:13:42 PM
Being that I too would much rather see a bike stay intact than parted out, I'd be happy to serve as the intermediary for someone who wants or could use this bike and pick it up and ship it to someone for the cost of the bike the cost of packing and shipping (as done by one of those pack and ship places - whatever they charge me) and maybe throw in an extra 10 for my troubles (aka profit :-) Send me an email directly and let me know - lawmanjr1@msn.com - I can also go by and get some more info off the bike over the weekend if anyone is interested.

AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item #1015431064 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/10/2001 at 5:02:30 PM
Ten dollars for a spanner? These are great and handy to have and use, but ten dollars? I pick these up wherever I go.
Who would have thought 20 years ago people would be buying and selling over the computer? Raleigh churned these out by the thousands. I love all the diffrent kinds of cycle spanners.
No relation to seller, not my auction. This guy has offered a lot of cool goodies so far.

AGE / VALUE:   royal scout question posted by: todjob on 10/10/2001 at 4:15:55 PM
I picked up a royal scout in a pile the other day pretty nice paint on it like a 5 sp.i didnt get the rear wheel it was trashed but it has huret parts on it a bar mount shifter and a funky 1/2 chainguard is it worth anything to anybody or parts (i origonally got it for the headlight)
email me direct if any interest

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   royal scout question posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/10/2001 at 5:26:47 PM
Royal Scout or Royal Scot? The Royal Scot was made by Raleigh I have never heard of a Royal Scout before. The flying Scot is a whole diffrent kettle of fish. The Flying Scot is the one to look out for.

AGE / VALUE:   Reg Harris Bicycle posted by: David Walker on 10/10/2001 at 6:24:11 AM
Can any one help me identify an early 60's lightweight?
I found a full chrome 10-spd w long point lugs. Every thing is stripped down to chrome. Very light frame w/ a grease nipple on underside of bottom bracket. Has a sturdy curved rear brake cable brace brazed on seat stays. Serial numbers do not match up to the Raleighs.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Look at this Raleigh posted by: Gary on 10/10/2001 at 12:44:14 AM
Hi, I'm a tinkerer and sometimes rider ... have been buying old bikes in the past few months and restoring them, and happened to notice this on eBay:


Wasn't the buyer (sigh) but haven't yet started to dabble in English 3-speeds. Was this such a good deal in this condition that shipping to the U.S. and subsequent restoration is worth it?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Look at this Raleigh posted by Ed on 10/10/2001 at 1:48:59 AM
I don't know how much it will cost to ship that bike to the U.S.A.,however if I could have that bike shipped to my door for up to $125.00 equiped as she is I would think I was getting a great deal. Thats only my opinion though. Others may feel differently.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Look at this Raleigh posted by sam on 10/10/2001 at 2:05:35 AM
The dino hub- bat.tub-& full chain guard were good,the cable brakes and 26" wheels were common.English Bikes are good bikes.The rod brake 28" bikes bring more Look for a raleigh sport to start with (around $25)they aren't to hard to find.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Look at this Raleigh posted by Jon on 10/10/2001 at 2:56:56 PM
I'm not an expert, but at first glance this bike looks wrong. I suspect the frame is older than stated but that the wheels and brakes have been replaced with 1960's standard stuff.
My brother has a pair of older bikes in better condition in his garage that he wants to throw away!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Look at this Raleigh posted by Warren on 10/10/2001 at 11:26:34 PM
The pics are poor...the fenders look like they've got house paint and I don't think the left crank and pedal are matched. The brakes don't look like Raleigh as well. I'd be hard pressed to spend $50 on it even if it included shipping. I might buy the battery!

AGE / VALUE:   Folding bike posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/10/2001 at 12:19:43 AM
I have tried putting a Cyclo 3 cog piece on a older Sachs Torpedo Drigange hub and it wobbled after I snaped in the snap ring. I took it off again. The older model Shimano 3 speed won't take it at all. There is no space for the snap ring on the hub driver and I don't want to weld it in place. I re- built a S-7 and Sturmey Archer hub and put in a threaded cog and a Atom freewheel. The trouble is getting the rear dropouts spread enough so I can get this wheel inside. Once you pull it back and into place there is enough room for the cluster to turn without it hitting the chainstays. You need to put in enough washers and of course you need a longer axle. I don't have a frame spreader and one needs one when doing this hybrid gear project.
The origonal rims on this folder are aluminum, not spray painted steel. The whole bike is Czech made and it has great whitewall tires. I am going to use knobbies, but that interferes with the bottle type generator so I will use another means of lights. I love how nicely everything turns after bearings and races have been cleaned out and re-greased. I have a Brooks B-90/3 saddle on this but I may go back to a B-66 or even use the seat it came with.

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub posted by: Drew on 10/8/2001 at 1:44:47 PM
Just purchased a Dynohub for my DL-1, need to know if rotation direction makes a difference (generator unit on left or right side?) Also, does anyone know how many DL-1's were sold each year in the U.S. during the 70's?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub posted by DBean on 10/8/2001 at 4:39:59 PM
I've seen them mounted both ways (both in the flesh and in sales brochures) and it makes no difference in electrical terms. I think all of the hubs have locknuts both sides, so they wouldn't have the Raleigh hub difficulty.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/9/2001 at 11:50:55 PM
I think it is supposed to be mounted with the generator on the left side. I'm not really sure, but there is a technically correct way. It'll work either way though.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub posted by Ben on 10/10/2001 at 9:15:30 PM
I've only seen about five of these in person, but the dyno was always on the left side (when facing front)

AGE / VALUE:   Prove It posted by: ladybug on 10/8/2001 at 4:33:32 AM
I just picked up a '70(?)AMC Hercules. The SA hub says 70, but were there frame changes or anything else that could possitively identify the year? I bought it at a thrift store for $20 so I'm not building a case to call someone a liar. I was just thinking that in theory, it could be a replaced hub - am I right?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Prove It posted by Jim on 10/8/2001 at 12:00:32 PM
Heres a thought, have you tried to look up the serial number on the charts on this site?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Prove It posted by sam on 10/8/2001 at 1:05:08 PM
I don't think there is a list for Hercules bikes--the changes I know of are the head badge went from brass to Alum.--the chain gard changed shape.as did the crank arms and sprocket.and the shifter changed but I don't know the dates of these changes--sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Prove It posted by Warren on 10/8/2001 at 3:19:30 PM
As mentioned, there is no comprehensive database for these bikes 1970 is very likely the year for the bike. I don't think AMF distributed Hercules in the early 60's. There would also be little cause to swap out the rear wheel so soon.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Prove It posted by ladybug on 10/8/2001 at 7:23:22 PM
Thanks Jim for the thought. I checked on this site's "Raleigh Serial Number Chart" and it only goes through '66. Is there another chart you were thinking of?

Warren, you are right, I am quite convinced this is a '70. It looks all original and untinkered with. I took it for it's first ride yesterday after minimal maintenance. Truly a solid and dependable little masterpiece.

Thank you Sam - You've pointed me in the right direction. I'm sure when I figure out what years the changes were made to these identifying marks I will find them here.

Thanks all for your words.

FOR SALE:   Surmey Archer Hubs posted by: Tom on 10/7/2001 at 10:55:46 PM
I was cleaning out my garage and have a few Sturmey Archer items for sale.
#1)2 SA dyno hubs, front, dated 65 5 both in excellent shape. 32 hole. $25.00 each
#2) Rear hub dated 60 4 AW includes 17 tooth sprocket, nuts and shifting chain.40 hole.No Rust. $20.00
#3) Rear hub dated 65 4 AW no sprocket, chain or nuts. 36 hole. $20.00
#4) Rear hub dated 51 6 aw. 18 tooth sprocket. 40 hole. No Rust.$20.00
#5) SA shifter marked 3 or 4 speed looks old lots of scratches. $5.00
Please email me if interested. I will ship at cost, you pay shipping.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gulliver in the land of 32/40 vs. 36/36 posted by: Albert on 10/7/2001 at 7:47:27 PM
I've read recent postings regarding relative merits of the traditional English practice of lacing wheels with 32 spokes in the front wheel and 40 in the rear verses the more contemporary practice of 36 front and rear. While I am quite sure that from an engineers point of view, the traditional English practice is superior; I remain convinced that in the real world of cycle usage it matter not a bit. A 36 spoke rear wheel, from all evidence, has always held its "truth" as well as one of 40. This I've found to be so even though the typical 36-hole rim is of the endrick rather than the inherently stronger westwood.
I am reminded, by all of this, of the debate that raged during the 60's when the advocates of small flange hubs squared off against those who favored large. Again, the differences in actual usage were questionable, especially to the recreational cyclist.
Cheers from Philadelphia.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gulliver in the land of 32/40 vs. 36/36 posted by sam on 10/7/2001 at 8:54:43 PM
I'm not going to take sides on this but weren't American bikes spoked 32/40 when they were made for adult tranportation?(1890-1920)Wasn't it when the balloon bikes made for kids came along that the 36/36 became the standard.Kids don't put as much pressure on the rear as an adult but the sure hit more with the front.---sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gulliver in the land of 32/40 vs. 36/36 posted by george on 10/7/2001 at 10:01:49 PM
I will take sides. The only rear wheel(or any wheel) I trashed by hitting a pothole had 36 spokes. 40 spokes is stronger whether you need it 99.9% of the time or not. A Hyndai will get you to the corner store but a Rolls Royce is better built. p.s. Acceptance of mediocrity breeds inferior goods and services.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gulliver in the land of 32/40 vs. 36/36 posted by Albert on 10/7/2001 at 10:13:00 PM
Westwood in this posting should read westrick or Raleigh pattern.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gulliver in the land of 32/40 vs. 36/36 posted by sam on 10/7/2001 at 10:30:47 PM
You may have something their George,Rolls Royce is owned by V.W.!--sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gulliver in the land of 32/40 vs. 36/36 posted by Keith on 10/10/2001 at 7:14:51 PM
Forget 40! I have 48-spoke wheels for my regular commuter. I think the 40/36 difference is, as Albert suggests, largely academic as it applies to 26" wheels, although if I weighed more than 200 pounds I might care. As far as I know, 36 was never used for a 28" rear wheel, but I would object to that. I find that factory-built 32-spoke modern road bike wheels generally go out of true more easily than older factory built 36s, but in the end rim selection, and even more importantly the skill of a wheelbuilder makes all the difference in the world. I have a set of handbuilt wheels from 20 years ago that I've battered all over the place for many 1000s of miles -- hit plenty of potholes -- and I've never had to touch them. High, even tension -- that matters more than plus or minus 4 spokes.

AGE / VALUE:   Folding bike surprise posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/7/2001 at 5:56:31 PM
Has anybody ever seen a bicycle tire pump stored in the seat post before? This latest folding bike had it inside. I pulled it out to clean, grease, raise and I put on a new /diffrent seat. I was surprised to find the frame pump. It's a nice one too. The seat post is very large and then narrows at the top and there are numbers on the post that tell you how high or low you will have it. I think I could find a headset for this perhaps off a Schwinn. The cups aren't pitted and so I'll leave them. This one has a regular botombracket set up so I can change it out to alloy if I wish. The other one has a hugemongeous basket on the back now.
Steel rims, poor quality hubs, the brake handles, cables, the chain, gears, cables, cvasing and the lights all get changed when I get my hands on these folding bikes. The BMX gang stops me and hassles me about my putting Tioga Comp T whatever tires on these. They say Where did you get thse tires, you shouldn'thave those on that thing. H

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Adopt this roadster posted by: Albert on 10/6/2001 at 10:47:31 PM
Today's "find" at the local tranfer station was a Raleigh Sport, lady's model in white. It is in pretty fair condition and needs only a little t.l.c. I am offering it free for the taking. Location is in Philadelphia area, junction of PA routes 73 and 611. E-mail me if interested.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adopt this roadster posted by Albert on 10/9/2001 at 4:03:46 PM
No takers os of today, Tuesday! I feel as though one would who is trying to find a home for a kitten. I will recondition this cycle and a give it to a co-worker. And just as you would feel about a kitten place out for adoption, I hope the Raleigh's new owner will appreciate its qualities so that their future together will be a long one. Cheers from Philadelphia.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adopt this roadster posted by Stacey on 10/9/2001 at 6:23:42 PM
Interested in swaping your Raleigh for my Tyler, Albert?


   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adopt this roadster posted by Albert on 10/9/2001 at 7:19:33 PM
Stacey, my 'phone number will be sent you by e-mail.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adopt this roadster posted by Albert on 10/10/2001 at 12:05:27 AM
Stacey, I have tried twice without success to send you an e-mail message. A pop-up message tells me that "the mail server name cannot be found". At any rate a women co-worker has subsequently resonded to my offer posted on the message board and consequently the cycle is no longer available. I am left with an uneasy feeling about the motivation behind your suggestion of a trade since it had been offered free for the taking.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adopt this roadster posted by Stacey on 10/10/2001 at 12:26:26 AM
I don't know why there was a problem with the e-mail, Albert. I just sent myself a message, and it was delivered without a hitch. I'm truly happy you've found a home for the "kitten", I had just offered to take it so you wouldn't feel unloved. My offer, which was half in fun because of the friendly banter exchanged over my inital inquiry about the Tyler, was purely Quid Pro Quo, for me to accept it outright would have formed an indebtedness to you. I'm too much the free spirit to leave strings trailing. Thanks for all the follow-up.

As the vampire said... On a different vein, you mentioned your trips to the "transfer station", I take this to be where the trash trucks go to off-load? Around here the waste disposal drivers just throw the bikes in the back and crush them up with the rest of the trash. Can you offer some insights to expose this venerable gold mine in my area?

Yours, in the wind,

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Adopt this roadster posted by Albert on 10/10/2001 at 8:55:15 PM
Stacey, I'm glade to help you on this one: Most suburban local governments have solid refuse drop-off stations for use by residents. Metal items are usually assigned to a specific location within the station area. Periodicaly, these items ( large appliances, screen-doors, and BICYCLES)are hauled away for recycling. Some of these drop-off stations will unofficially permit scavenging. I look on the practice as a type of rescue mission. Cheers from Philadelphia.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '74 Raleigh Tourist (?) posted by: Aran on 10/6/2001 at 6:57:15 PM
Hi. I just got this '74 Raleigh Tourist (in superb state, if I may add). The Sturmey-Archer hub is from '74 and it says 'Tourist' on the chain-guard, but it looks nothing like the DL-1 Tourists I've seen on the Internet!
It has wire-operated brakes, enclosed chain-guard, etc, etc.
Can anyone tell me any more about it?
Pictures are on: http://www.de-flux.org/raleigh

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '74 Raleigh Tourist (?) posted by Ed on 10/7/2001 at 3:44:25 AM
Neat bike,obviously all original,but thats the first one I've seen that wasn't black, excepting repainted bikes. I also find the tire size and cable brakes unusual on a DL-I from 1974. Great looking ,and I believe,truely rare bike. Good luck with it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '74 Raleigh Tourist (?) posted by Warren on 10/7/2001 at 1:29:06 PM
I'm quite sure that your bike is a Raleigh Sprite that has been modified for the Dutch market and relabelled a Tourist. I didn't think that Raleigh did a lot of rebranding but this is one of those cases. There were a couple of different Sprite models...they were usually five speeds with either internal or derailleur systems.

FOR SALE:   John Bull Brake pads posted by: Jim on 10/6/2001 at 4:57:07 PM
I have NOS John Bull brake pads for sale ready to bolt on. Also NOS Huret shifters. A case of NOS Huret shifter cables (English made). Rod brake pads English made and after market. Email with questions. Photos available