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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by: Andrew on 10/23/2001 at 9:30:31 PM
Civilized cycles endure! In recent years, I've noticed fewer and fewer English roadsters on the street being used as daily transportation. After a trip to Boston university today, I spotted a half dozen Roadsters from the 60's & earlier doing duty as riders, a lady's Raleigh with dynohub, and the prize was a 50's mens Raleigh with all kinds of vintage accessories-looked like it had gone 1/2 million miles, but it was going. These bikes sure do add some class to bike racks filled with Tiwanise mountain bikes. The moral of the story is; Ride your bikes!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Ed on 10/24/2001 at 2:42:46 AM
I agree Andrew,my car stays in the driveway throughout most of the summer months.My main ride this summer has been my 69 Raleigh Sports,Ive been putting between ten and fifty miles on it most days,depending on weather and other obligations. I see fewer English bikes than I did five or six years ago. I've also had more people express interest in the bike when I stop for a coffee break or whatever. A friend of mine had a man stop him in one of our popular riding areas about three years ago and offer him $400.00 on the spot for his 68 Superbe. My friend turned down the offer,still has the bike,and loves to tell the story. Good Luck, Ed.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by BillG on 10/24/2001 at 12:34:42 PM
I, too see fewer English bicycles in my travels. It used to be you'd see them all day long at yard sales and the local Salvation Army store. I think I came across only 2 all summer, though now I'm seeing more hanging up in bike shops with little tags saying "not for sale" on them.

I hope they don't become overpriced collectible icons like Schwinn Sting-Rays have.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Ben on 10/24/2001 at 5:41:28 PM
Since I left the ailing Exodus Communications in mid-summer, I have been riding my '59 Phillips Roadster to all of my business meetings downtown, weather permitting. Round trip most times is about 35 miles...what a pleasure!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by edgar x on 10/24/2001 at 6:08:04 PM
I too hope that British bikes stay affordable. Main difference between them and Sting-Rays is that they don't have much utility going for them - Brit bikes are useful, fun transportation as well as nice to look at. I have a 5-speed S/A on my Schwinn cruiser, will post pics one of these days.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Tom Faust on 10/24/2001 at 11:17:43 PM
I make a weekly pass down the East bay Bikepath in RI. I rarely see another English bike, Mine is a '69 Sports, converted to 5 speed.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by David Rodan on 10/26/2001 at 1:05:33 PM
I live in Philly and I see tons of them, at least since I bought by Sports not too long ago. I think there is a growing interest, particularly for people my age (mid-20s). I bough mine because it was cheap and useful, but I've become fascinated with the history of them.

I get the impression that Philadelphia, Boston, and parts of upstate NY are major "hubs" for English roadsters. Any truth to this, and if so why?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by bicyclepriest on 10/26/2001 at 2:32:25 PM
finally got my dl-1 going. 36 spoke awc-3 to the 40 spoke rim. 2-cross, 3-cross, 4- cross all intermixed. lots of time spent truing. whoa. I love riding this roadster. There are no, and I mean NO, roadsters of this variety in Louisville, Kentucky. I think mine is 1 in 1 million is this city. keep ridin' friends.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/31/2001 at 12:41:10 AM
Watch yourself anyway, be on your guard. There is no sense or reason why somebody would kill you for a old bike or anything else but it happens all the time. People are on drugs, crazy, possed by gaggles of demons probably! I'm serious, likely all three.
We talk about fending off a dog with a tire pump here but what does one do when confronted by a mugger or rapist while awheel on the bike? Take a defense course, ride with a group, carry a cell phone, know the numbers to call, I guess. Any big city is dangerous and we have been hearing about Central Park muggings and bike thefts for decades now.
I heard it on T.V. while chanel surfing thru. Some cop was telling how people will slit your throat for anything or nothing at all. Be careful out there!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/26/2001 at 3:55:22 PM
Little tags that say "Not for sale", tags with incredible high prices, more common are shop people that say thay know nothing about it and you have to ask somebody who isn't in the shop right now and they are on vacation and they don't know when he/ she will be back. Then when the person gets back, it isn't for sale or the person is a crabby, rude idiot who doesn't want to mention it or it disappears all together. One fellow exclaimed "Don't touch that!! It belongs to a judge here in town!"He got all worked up and I got the impression that he wished he never saw this bike or the customer either. I sent parts and he got it out of there and back to the man. Many strange, small town adventures.
If theres a sign telling me that "We don't have a change machine and don't even bother asking!" then I have no business to give them and I go way, clear across town to patronize another store.
It's a stupid policy, they stand waiting to tell you " No, with an attitude too" I'm sure it works against them,there is some crazy battle between store owners over parking or something. It's stupid because these shops are in similar business. I would have a sign up saying Yes, and please think of us for your____ needs.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Albert on 10/26/2001 at 7:22:16 PM
David your question is interesting. While I do see many roadsters in Philadelphia' s city-center, few are to found elsewhere in the the city. Are roadsters particularly appealing to urban/urbane cyclists?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by dafydd_williams@yahoo.com on 10/27/2001 at 12:45:17 AM
I'm originally from South NJ and have lived in center city for about a year, so I can't speak for the rest of the surrounding area, but yes, they are in abundance in CC. I think utility is definitely a factor: they're cheap, reliable, and most thieves aren't out for them. But I've seen people with rod brake roadsters out and about, so it can't be entirely out of practicality. Honestly, I haven't sat down and talked with anyone about it, but perhaps I'll join the next pub crawl and try to figure it out.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Mark R. on 10/27/2001 at 1:01:19 AM
As I said once before, I've had the occation to hit New York a few times lately, and I see dozens, and dozens of roadsters, and "sport" bikes every time I go. Some in like new condition, others completely flapped out.
Here in South Jersey, I believe I have the only two DL-1's, at least I've never run into anyone else riding one. There are nice Raleigh "Sports" around though, but you gotta really look for them. People here seem to like old ten speeds with the handle bars turned upside down, or cheap mountain bikes, yuck!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Jorge on 10/27/2001 at 1:46:55 AM
Last time I was in New York I did not see very many English Roadsters,
I went to a bike shop around 9th avenue and they told me that they were
all gone, in Chicago I did see quite a few, some quite new from Holland
and so forth, take the train north and you'll find them in the stations like
Evanston, Kenilworth and Winnetka among others, some are quite vintage,
like a fine wine, the older they are, the more beautiful.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by Esteban on 10/28/2001 at 3:45:26 AM
This is such a great post because we're talking about RIDING our bikes! When I was in grad school, I lived in Northampton, MA for 4 years, and english bikes were the transport of choice for hipsters, professors, lawyers -- you name it. Now, I'm back in San Diego (my hometown), and I brought my bikes with me. Boy, English bicycles are few and far-between out here. People are usually into fat-tire beach cruisers...those aren't much help on our many hills. But people are curious about my bikes, especially others like me in their twenties. We'll see how things bloom out here as more bikes make their way west.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   keep riding posted by JimW. on 10/30/2001 at 4:54:27 AM
There are still plenty of them here in NYC, and the prices are reasonable. My local bike shop (Emey, on 17th near Gramercy Park )gets batches of them from apt. building managers, fixes what's needed for functionality, and sells them for about $150. A really astoundingly perfect vintage one goes for about $600 there.

They're popular here because they're sturdy and reliable, and no one will kill you to take it from you. And that's also why there are so many of them here. When I first moved here in '78, someone was clubbed to death in Central Park, for a ten-speed LW. People are currently being mugged on the Brooklyn Bridge for their MTBs. Fashion Kills. English roadsters are beyond fashion,always have been, probably always will be.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HUMBER posted by: Art on 10/23/2001 at 7:05:00 PM
I'm interested in the group's opinions of the Humber bike with the twin fork blades. Anything different about this bike in regards to ride, handling, etc, because of the fork? Any more sought after or not sought after because of it? I've got a line on one and I'm just curious as to what others may think of it. Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HUMBER posted by Warren on 10/24/2001 at 2:31:40 AM
Hi Art...I have a '54 ladies Humber that I've tooled around on and I find it too be just peachy. If I was pretending to be an engineer, I would guess that the front fork on a humber would be stronger than a standard fork for a couple of different reasons...first, there is more surface area on the Humber fork and second, its' design is a small triangle...which I believe to be the strongest of geometries. Time to stop pretending...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HUMBER posted by Scott Ebersole on 10/25/2001 at 1:50:22 AM
A local Raleigh Dealer gave me an old Humber bicycle from the early 50’s 27 years ago. It was just about exactly like a Raleigh Sports. It had an enclosed chain case, Brooks saddle and a double bladed front fork. This one had slight damage to the top and down tube. The tubes were buckled and my guess is some hard impact had occurred on the front wheel and the wheel along with the double fork leveraged the tubes and they buckled. The bicycle still road just fine and I used it with a rear child carrier to cycle around town with my infant son. I sold it 1977 and I'm very sorry I did.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HUMBER posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/29/2001 at 11:14:14 PM
Exploded diagrams showing the fork and fork lock and decal is here under Raleigh Rudge Humber exploded diagrams

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old Engish magazine called "Cycling" posted by: Scott Ebersole on 10/23/2001 at 9:48:01 AM
I have several issues of an old English publication called "Cycling". They all are from the early to mid 1950's. They were purchased at a store in Wellfleet,Mass out on the Cape about 15 years ago. Everytime a friend of mine and I were out there during this time period we would buy a few. They are great read and really can put you back in time. Does anyone else out there have any?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old Engish magazine called posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/24/2001 at 1:09:48 AM
Yes!!! I've got a bunch of 'em, bought at the same shop! Those were the days! What an amazing scene that was!

Every other issue had a wonderful column by "Kuklos" (Fitzwater Wray) but it seemed to me that somebody had cherry picked the issues in Wellfleet and made off with most of 'em. Now I know who!

Any chance of getting some photocopies of those columns? I'd love to put some of them on my Web site...

Sheldon Brown
Newton, Mass.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old Engish magazine called posted by Scott Ebersole on 10/24/2001 at 1:27:11 PM
Yes, I would be willing. I sent you an e-mail with subject "Wellfleet Old Magazine Shop"

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 10/23/2001 at 2:04:05 AM
I wrote before about this, but it bares repeating. I just was at the local Toys-r-us store, and they have the absolutely nicest bike called a Kent GT 7 speed automatic shifting mens city bike. Stop puking. It really is a nice bike ecspecially for $149! Chromemoly frame, all alloy components, nice brakes, 700c x 40mm tyres, the whole enchilada. The reason I mention this, of course, is that I don't understand why someone doesn't make a modern roadster with this same technology. It would put the Forevers to shame. In fact, I think this bike is very close to the idea of the "American" roadster we all wrote about years back. Put some mudguards on this baby, put your butt on the sprung saddle, close your eyes, and your kinda on a roadster bike, kinda... Now cut it out! I said stop pukin'!
Check 'em out if you get a chance, I think you'll see what I'm talking about.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Ed on 10/24/2001 at 2:59:06 AM
My daughter had a Dept.store Kent when she was in college about sixteen years ago.I wound up with it when she got married and left home.I rode it a few times and was surprised at how well it shifted and handled.I don't remember much about it components. I finally gave it to The Salvation Army.I hope whoever got it enjoyed it as much as we did.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 10/24/2001 at 10:15:39 PM
Up until about a month ago, I rode my DL-1 to work almost every day. Then the jack asses in security say I can't ride my bike on company property any more. They say I have to push the thing a quarter mile up a perfectly good, and clear road that goes through the plant. I was furious! I was livid! I refuse to push a perfectly good bike down a perfectly good street. At the same time, the "bike" rack at work is a dinosaur with a collapsing roof. I'm reticent to leave my DL-1 in the damn rack, risking theft or wheather damage, so I haven't been riding to work.
I was concidering buying one of these bikes from Toys-r-us, and roadsterizing it, i.e. fenders, leather saddle, yata, yata. I figure I could always replace it if some jackass steals it (the company would pay for it), I'd have a very hard time replacing my Raleigh. Plus I'd be soooo sick thinking of my Raleigh all painted silver all over, even the tires the way the idiot theives always do.

MISC:   Tires posted by: Robert on 10/22/2001 at 1:34:11 PM
Curious to know if anyone is familiar with the Greentyre product line. Website is Greentyre.com.

   RE:MISC:   Tires posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/23/2001 at 12:15:01 AM
Save your money. See:


Sheldon Brown

   RE:RE:MISC:   Tires posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/23/2001 at 9:06:07 PM
Even Chris knows better than to dabble with these!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Tires posted by Robert on 10/23/2001 at 10:19:25 PM
That pretty well amswers that question. Thanks

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Grand Prix posted by: Andy on 10/21/2001 at 6:14:48 PM
I have a Lenton Grand Prix model A GEG Harris Road Model. How do I tell what frame it is and what year. Also I would like to restore it but how do i find the original decal set?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Grand Prix posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/21/2001 at 9:47:40 PM
That's "Reg" Harris, big British track racing star of the '50s, leader of Raleigh's team. He was world champion of some particulal track event.

I've got one of these which I believe to be a '57 or '58. Has only one shifter braze-on, because the front derailer used a seat-tube mounted "suicide shift" lever. Earlier models didn't have any shifter braze ons, later ones had two for dual cable operated shifters.

There's a Web dealer called "Lloyd" in England that probably has the decals. There's a link in the "Painters" section of my Bicycling Links page:


Sheldon Brown

WANTED:   Banjo bolt parts for roadster posted by: Ben on 10/21/2001 at 4:26:03 PM
Anyone: One of the stamped retainers on one of my banjo bolt assemblies (rear-axle positioner) has suffered a case of fatigue and cracked...does anyone know where I can get new ones? This is the piece that snugs up against the open end of the rear "dropout".

Thanks in advance,


   RE:WANTED:   Banjo bolt parts for roadster posted by Leon on 10/22/2001 at 11:12:32 PM
My roadster is missing one of these too. It only had one when purchased and I thought that this was the way it was supposed to me. Works fine, however, with just one. If there is a source for these, let me know as I should probably get another in order to have an original bike. Leon

   RE:WANTED:   Banjo bolt parts for roadster posted by sam on 10/23/2001 at 5:04:32 PM
Memory Lane Catalog on page47 shows a #10 chain adjuster(pull back chain adjuster for all bikes using old style rear fork ends)$2.00 cal419-832-3040

   RE:WANTED:   Banjo bolt parts for roadster posted by Ben on 10/24/2001 at 5:43:13 PM
Thank you, Sam!

MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by: Stacey on 10/21/2001 at 12:20:44 PM
Ah, the joys of a Thrift Shop crawl. An excursion from treasure trove to waste pile. On yesterday's adventure, while clamoring from dung heap to dung heap I uncovered the following tasty morsels; a Panasonic Traveler II; very nice condition, Dia-Compe components, though plated rims and need a seat. A Kia... hummm, thought they made cars! needs light cosmetic attention otherwise complete. Oh... what's that, a lug framed Kent? From cars to cigarettes in two steps. Nice bike, pretty frame, average components. Lastly at this stop on the crawl a Pierce Arrow 10-Speed, this hiedous beast makes the circle back to cars complete. Though I do feel a bit judgemental on this, you can't judge a bike by it's color... a metallic taupe! What were they thinking, ugh. I'll pass for now, all smallish women's frames, duly noted, it's time to move on. Do you know just how hard it is to find a large women's frame!?

Next stop isn't so plentyful in terms of quantity, but sure made up for it in beauty. The first encounter is with a later Raleigh Capri, black and silver, a pretty, pretty bike. Reminds me of my two tone blue Technium... and huge too! A closer look reveals some cheesy componentry, argh a one piece stamped chain wheel set w/guard. I admire the engineer for creating this from one stamping, but argh is it ugly! A bit more digging unveils a '69 Men's Raleigh Sports, black in nice condition though fenders rough, interesting white wall tyres, a double white pinstripe on each sidewall. Forget the maker, but seemed serviceable but flat. What would you have gone home with? All bikes were in the $5.00 - $10.00 range and quite serviceable with minimal investment.

   RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by Tom Faust on 10/21/2001 at 11:43:56 PM
Made my regular stop at the Providence, RI Salvation Army. Bikes were free with a $5.00 purchase. So I bought a bike rack for $12.00 and made a deal to take two bikes. The Bianchi and Moto I had spotted the week before were gone when I got to the pile. He who hesitates is lost.

   RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by sam on 10/21/2001 at 11:59:53 PM

   RE:RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/22/2001 at 3:28:08 PM
I like to cruise the Sally Ann's (Salvation Army)and Value Villages, always a surprise, not always pleasant, but always a surprise. Last week there was a stripped down Canadian Tire 10 speed special,badly rusted with Campy NR front and rear deraillers and really cheap sidepull Tiawanese brakes, go figure. However, the pickings have been pretty slim this summer on account of the transit strike. From April 1 to the end of August, no busses were running in the Vancouver area, and every bike that made it's way into 2nd hand shops never lasted more than a few days. Consignment stores are a little more fun, especially when they get boxes of junk donated to them. I love to be the first to root through 'em, I found a pre-war front drum brake (Sturmey, of course!)a battered 4 speed trigger, and a drum brake plate(again, Sturmey) for a rear hub. I am now trying to get the brake re-lined and fit it into a FG hub...

   RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by Stacey on 10/23/2001 at 12:21:23 AM
Yeah Sam... large! 5' 12" of Pure Amazon. Got a problem?

Oh, BTW... The Raleigh has a new home. First upgrade, Dia-Compe center pulls and a chain ring re-do. Anyone know of an English Roadster (Raleigh Sports) type of handle bar in Alloy? That's the next thing to be personalized.

If you find a reliner Edward, please let me know. I'm looking for someone (preferably in the States).

   RE:RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by sam on 10/23/2001 at 10:24:55 AM
When I read your question I keep thinking "How would Gracho Marks answer this question"Sorry Stacy , please forgive me.

   RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by Stacey on 10/23/2001 at 8:49:41 PM

So, Sam's had a change of heart, eh?
A lot of good that'll do him. He's still got the same face!

Come to think of it, sounds more like a question Groucho would ask. I can see him now, Groucho the Doctor pawing at a Rubenesque woman tossing this remark over shoulder to his nurse.

No need to appologize Sam, no offense taken and none intended. This is not a very informative place, it's cool, with cool folks too!

Well, got the center-pulls on the Raleigh, sans those hideous reflectors. Alloy-front rim with quick release skewer. Staring to look like a real bicycle! Now if I can only get the crank arms off. Anyone know a trick, short of buying a puller, to getting ones off that are really stuck?

In the wind,

   RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by Ben on 10/24/2001 at 12:01:07 AM
Is this a cotterless crank? If so, buy a puller, if you expect to ever pull another crank you'll have it. Otherwise, take it to a shop, they may do it for nothing if you bring brownies.

   RE:RE:MISC:Alloy North Road bars posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/24/2001 at 2:57:07 AM
There's something screwy with the software, so this may not be coming out in the right place, but somebody was looking for North Road bars in aluminium. I've got 'em, see:

Sheldon Brown

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:Alloy North Road bars posted by Stacey on 10/24/2001 at 11:00:44 AM
Think there's something screwy with your site Sheldon. I tried to access it last night and again this morning..."Not Available" I got this message all the way back to the root directory.


   RE:RE:MISC:Scrounge Lizard posted by Stacey on 10/24/2001 at 4:15:13 PM
It is a cotterless crank, Ben. I'll probably be pulling many more cranks, (hey, I'm not sure I like the way that sounds) before I put away my toys. So, sounds like a puller is in order, besides I'm not much of a baker. But I do make a MEAN Pumpkin soup. There's a thought, swap a pot of soup for a puller!


   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:Alloy North Road bars posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/24/2001 at 5:41:36 PM
My site was down due to a DNS problem last night, but it's back on line now.



ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rust on paint posted by: Esteban on 10/21/2001 at 9:29:01 AM
Any hints on cleaning up surface rust on painted elements of the bicycle (fenders)? It seems to scratch off with a fingernail in certain places...but not in others.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rust on paint posted by GL on 10/28/2001 at 12:49:07 AM
Try fine rubbing compound or polishing compound like auto body shops use. BE CAREFUL! Auto supply store rubbing compound is too coarse and will scratch up your paint. If you can't get the fine stuff the body shops use, try metal polish like Brasso, or "finish restorer" polish like Color Back, or toothpaste, or ordinary car polish/wax. Try it in an inconspicuos spot first to make sure it won't scratch.

You want a very fine polish that won't scratch. Wash the surface first. Then carefully polish off the rust. Don't rub too hard, go over it carefully several times until the rust stain is gone. Finish with car wax. Maintain by wiping down with Pledge once every week or 2.

You can build up a beautiful finish by waxing with car wax several times, I once went over a very faded red Renault 9 times with car wax and it kept coming up better and better every time.When I was done it looked like new, when I started it looked like an old brick wall.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rust on paint posted by Esteban on 10/28/2001 at 3:49:35 AM
Great...thanks. I'll give it (careful) go.

MISC:   Sun Tandem posted by: Ian on 10/21/2001 at 8:34:06 AM
I have what I believe is a 1937 Sun Tandem. It has a Sun Cycles head badge and was purchased from the family of the original owner so I am reasonably sure the date is accurate. I would like help on three fronts :- 1) What the correct mudguards and stays look like. It has what appear to be 60's ridged guards on with a Phillips decal on the rear one. 2) What make is the two cable two speed derailleur likely to be? It has a huge range as the sprockets are vastly different sizes. It also has a three speed hub and drum brakes front and rear. The rear brake can be operated by the hand lever or by a separate footbrake pedal between the two cranks (just to digress a little). 3)It has a weird looking rear rack that comes from behind the rear seat and goes up in almost a half circle to above seat height before dropping down on either side of the rear wheel to fasten to the rear stays. My guess is that it was meant to carry some unusual shaped panniers as there is no flat surface on the top to use as a conventional rack. Any info or pictures appreciated. I do not have a digital camera but will be able to scan some photos and send them to anyone who is interested in helping just as soon as the film is developed. Cheers! Ian.

   RE:MISC:   Sun Tandem posted by Warren on 10/21/2001 at 2:29:10 PM
I don't know the firstt thing about Sun...english perhaps? Sounds like a real collectible
specimen you should definitely lets us know when you have pics.

   RE:MISC:   Sun Tandem posted by Ian on 10/22/2001 at 9:18:43 AM
Further cleaning and checking has turned up the fact that the derailleur is a Cyclo and that the rear hub is an "AT-8" Sturmey and the front hub is stamped "BT-8". Hope someone can fill me in on what these mean as neither appears on the list of Sturmey hubs that I have. From testing on the stand (I am not ready for a road test yet) it seems that the hub might only be a two speed even though the top tube mounted shift lever is marked "Low - N - High".

FOR SALE:   NOS Dunlop Roadster 20 x 1 3/8 whitewall tire posted by: Jim on 10/21/2001 at 1:49:13 AM
For sale NOS Dunlop Roadster 20 x 1 3/8 whitewall tire. Only one sorry. $18 shipped. Photo at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-015.jpg

FOR SALE:   NOS Vintage French Made Saddle Bags posted by: Jim on 10/21/2001 at 1:49:13 AM
For sale neat vintage French made saddle bags. These mount to your rear rack and have a handle to carry them with you. Perfect for your commuter. A little dingy from sitting around. $28 shipped. Photo at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-005.jpg

FOR SALE:   NOS Collapsable Baskets posted by: Jim on 10/21/2001 at 1:47:02 AM
For sale NOS Collapsable baskets. These mount on your rear rack. Excellent for your commuter. $28 shipped. Photo at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-011.jpg

FOR SALE:   NOS Suntour 7 Front Derailer posted by: Jim on 10/21/2001 at 1:44:26 AM
For sale NOS Suntour 7 front derailer. $24 shipped. I have a couple. Check it out at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-009.jpg If you have trouble with the photos email and I will send it to you.

AGE / VALUE:   Stealth freewheel? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/20/2001 at 5:42:48 PM
I have never seen a modern derailer cluster that didn't make a clicking sound when it turned( freewheeled) It was dead silent, theres no hearing him on this bike, and he's lightning fast on it.
I'll post what this is and what if anything special he did to this.
I want to be able to hear this sound.It alerts me that theres a cyclist nearby. I don't want to turn in front of this guy he'll run me over right quick.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stealth freewheel? posted by Warren on 10/20/2001 at 9:33:42 PM
Hi Chris...I've got one. It's one of the first generation Shimano 7 speed cassette hubs, the funky ones with the odd hub body. Absolutely dead quiet when you stop pedalling. Kinda nice to ride in silence even though it's "riskier".

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stealth freewheel? posted by Jeff on 10/21/2001 at 4:03:58 PM
Shimano made a silent clutch style cassette hub in the mid 90's but durability was questionable so they were quickly disconued. I've found that some Suntour freewheels are very quiet when heavily lubricated.