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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Is only Raleigh well spoken? posted by: chris andrews on 10/6/2001 at 3:54:01 PM
With all their absorbtion of other makers, I can see why Raleigh would have wanted to standardize a few things, even with their own exclusive standards, though I wouldn't call it a customer friendly policy. But here's my question: Has anyone ever seen a Raleigh with 36-hole hubs/rims? I have a pair of BW high flange steel hubs that are 36-36. They came off a friend's Raleigh but may not have been original equipment. Does the spoke quantity proove they were not? Also, was it usual for the "other marks" to use 32-40 before Raleigh took them over, (i.e. pre-war)?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Is only Raleigh well spoken? posted by Warren on 10/6/2001 at 5:50:38 PM
It appears that most manufacturers used 32/40 although 36/36 was also used. It appears that Raleigh went to 36/36 sometime around the early 70's. I have had several pre and post 1970 Superbes and a few Sports and all of them seemed to adhere to this pattern. After all, it was cheaper to produce and purchase one rim.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Is only Raleigh well spoken? posted by Sheldon Brown on 10/6/2001 at 9:51:00 PM
32/40 spoking is not a Raleigh-specific thing, it's a British thing, and was the norm for British bikes through the 1960s.

It's too bad they gave in to commercial pressure, because 32/40 is distinctly superior to 36/36. Any bike that has the same number of spokes front and rear either has a front wheel heavier than it needs to be, or a rear wheel weaker than it should be.

Although it was less convenient for the industry to have to stock two drillings of rims, a little-known plus to the 32/40 system as used on older British bikes is that they used the same length spokes front and rear, by going cross 3 in front, cross 4 in back.

Sheldon "My International Fixed Gear Is 24/28" Brown
Newtonville, Massachusetts

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Is only Raleigh well spoken? posted by GMP on 10/7/2001 at 5:11:03 AM
Okay. So what did the 36 spoke '57 SW I have lying around come off of?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Is only Raleigh well spoken? posted by GMP on 10/7/2001 at 5:17:53 AM
Sorry. Nevermind. I remember.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/7/2001 at 6:27:45 PM
I have seen Raleigh's with stainless steel spokes on the older Supurbe/ Sports bikes. The spoke heads have R's on them.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by: Sheldon Brown on 10/6/2001 at 1:08:14 AM
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by Koko on 10/6/2001 at 5:12:17 AM
What's wrong with doing it right here?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by Albert on 10/6/2001 at 1:24:40 PM
Could it be that there is an unstated commercial aspect to all of this?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/6/2001 at 5:48:50 PM
What if there is, so what? This will be big, think about it, we are talking about Sheldon here. The funny thing is, he sold the bike shown on the title page! I'm glad to see it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/7/2001 at 12:49:09 AM
Wow,imagine that, an Albert-less discussion area...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by Ben on 10/7/2001 at 1:29:57 AM
I agree. As I always say, the more, the more.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by Ben on 10/7/2001 at 1:37:01 AM
And by the way, this is a completely different kind of thing, if you are not familiar with majordomo. You will receive an email with a digest (some number of entries) every time enough entries are posted. It is not a web site.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   EnglishBike email list posted by Albert on 10/7/2001 at 10:58:46 AM
Ed, I know you're just kidding?

AGE / VALUE:   It's about time! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/5/2001 at 7:07:05 PM
After all the bikes,sales, auctions and yard sales it is about time I find Sturmey-Archer/ Raleigh cycle oil tins! While I am on this subject, where are the old bicycle tools? It's not like I wouldn't recognize them, not me. So where are they? All those tools over the years, thousands of tools all descriptions, the standing and leaning and rooting around. Never anything but common spanners! I stood there in shock having found what I am so used to not seeing. I thought to myself "Yes Chris, they are real now reach out and take them and tell the fellow you want them" The man waved his hand and muttered "Oh, a buck." I even got these home without spilling it.
Another thing is where in tarnation are the motorcycles? Vintage and otherwise? I cannot believe I haven't seen these!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: It's about time! posted by dave on 10/5/2001 at 7:43:15 PM
... the oil cans are still out there. When I was at my in-laws summer before last I was one useable Raleigh out of two in bad shape, asked my father in law if he had any oil and he rummaged around and found a can of Sturmey Archer oil. I asked him how old it was and he said he thought he remembered moving it when they bought their current house (1951)!

WANTED:   Shallow drop handlebar posted by: chris andrews on 10/5/2001 at 1:37:28 AM
I'm looking for a handlebar not over 16 inches wide with a shallow drop, a short level area near the stem and then angling down to the reverse curve part. This sort of bar was common on English "sports" or "club" bikes through the forties. It looks somewhat like a north road turned upside down, but the forward run of the final "drops" is longer. "Lauterwasser" comes to mind. Much shallower than the Maes type. Alloy preferred but steel ok.

FOR SALE:   1951 Raleigh Sports w/enclosed Chainguard posted by: Jim on 10/4/2001 at 4:22:38 PM
1951 (rear hub dated)Ladies Raleigh Sports with enclosed chainguard. Nice original paint. Some rust on the rims. Chainguard is very nice. Needs a good cleaning. $150 plus shipping. Also 1965 Raleigh Sports mens complete with original assembly literature,pump, and large touring bag. Good original paint. Nice saddle. Light speckling of rust on chrome. Bike should clean up well. $100 plus shipping. $225 for both if you come pick them up. Email for photos and with your questions.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1951 Raleigh Sports w/enclosed Chainguard posted by Jim on 10/4/2001 at 8:39:39 PM
I'm located in Gilmanton, NH about an hour and twenty minutes north of Boston. Near New Hampshire International Speedway in Loudon.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1951 Raleigh Sports w/enclosed Chainguard posted by david on 10/5/2001 at 3:32:00 PM
love to pick up the men's bicycle, but already have too much at hand. would you consider seperating the touring bag from the bike?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1951 Raleigh Sports w/enclosed Chainguard posted by Jim on 10/5/2001 at 10:20:00 PM
Mens 65 Sports is sold, bag and all. Thanks

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trexlertown this Sunday posted by: Jeff on 10/4/2001 at 3:33:31 AM
Just wondering if any of you English Bike guys were planning on attending the swap meet in Trexlertown PA. I was going to take a nice 1967 Raleigh Sports with me and want to make sure there will be somebody there that might like to give it a new home.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trexlertown this Sunday posted by Stacey on 10/4/2001 at 11:02:26 AM
Hiya Jeff. Could you provide details on the Trexlertown swap meet? I'm in Quakertown. While not an "English Bike guy", this gal appreciates all thing two (actually less than 4) wheeled. I'd like to check it out, mayhap find just the right do-dad for my home-built recumbent. Thanks!


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trexlertown this Sunday posted by Jeff on 10/4/2001 at 5:31:32 PM
The meet is this Sunday from about 5 am until about 4 pm. It is located at the Goodwill fire company at the intersection of routes 222 and 100. It is about 5 or 6 miles off of the Trexlertown/Route 100 exit (old exit #14A)of Interstate 78. It's always a fun show and there usually is a good selection of bikes and parts. Bring a flashlight and a warm coat :) If you are into newer stuff the Velodrome flea market is Saturday, October 13 and that too is a good show full of bikes and parts. (You can see the back of the Velodrome from the fire company.)

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trexlertown this Sunday posted by Stacey on 10/5/2001 at 11:59:29 PM
Thanks bunches Jeff. I keep my eyes open for someone peddleing (pun intended) a Sports and say Hi.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trexlertown this Sunday posted by bikenutz on 10/7/2001 at 12:21:52 AM
I need a chaincase part. Maybe somebody will have one up there?!?!?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help? posted by: Eric Wever on 10/3/2001 at 4:47:39 PM
I've just been given an old Raleigh three speed. The serial number is 366682 which by the chart would make it an extreamly old bike. Is there anyone out there that can help me identify this frame? It has the same painted Raleigh crest as the NOS fenders for sale elsewhere on this site. Thanks!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber light coaster? posted by: david on 10/3/2001 at 2:55:04 PM
I recently bought an older Humber bicycle, 19" or 21" mens frame. It looks pretty original, down to having the original front tube and tire. Thing is, it has a 1957 SA TCW, but has front AND rear brakes. Rear brake matches front. Rear tire and tube do not match front. Question is, is this possibly original? The manual says there was a "Light Coaster," which had a front hand brake and TCW. Another question is that I've read on Sheldon Brown's site that the TCWs are not reliable. Are they bad enough that they are worth replacing before I start riding?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber light coaster? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/4/2001 at 12:52:41 AM
The coaster brake you mention is origonal to the bike. When riding expect the unexpected. Dogs, squirrles, kids, cars,watch for people exiting business doors. You need the best brakes available. There was a T.C.W. mark 1, mark 2 and mark 3 and then the S.C.3. coaster brake. Scroll down and ask Albert about this and take his advice. Congratulations on a cool, origonal find. This should be completely gone over and overhauled before you take it out. Clean all the old hardened grease out of the bottombracket and re pack it. Same for the headset bearings and replace the front brake shoes as the origonals are likely hardened up. Set aside the origonal tires and go with a new set. These roll nicer. After all this is done you will love the way the bike handles and how sweet it will run.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Humber light coaster? posted by david on 10/4/2001 at 3:34:00 AM
Thanks for the advice on the TCW. It might actually be a 1956 (so dates the dynohub [adding to the coolness factor]), but the more I think about it, the rear calipers probably were added to compensate. Definitely needs the overhaul suggested, but should be worth it! Thanks again.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Can't let sleeping dogs lie posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 10/3/2001 at 3:10:11 AM
Well now that I've rebuilt my Superbe, rebuilt an ancient drum brake, rebuilt my FG hub, and through "resourcefull scrounging" have filled my basement with assorted Raliegh junk, I still want to up the ante. I want to convert the FG to an 8 speed. There's a consignment store on my way to work that has an Armstrong 3 speed in the shop window, but this bike has a Cyclo derailleur (with the little indicator chain),a Cyclo(downtube)friction shifter, and what appears to be a Cyclo conversion kit on the obligatory AW hub. The shop wants $150.00 CDN for it. The bike itself is so-so. It hasn't been neglected or beat-up, but the once red paint has faded to an unmentionable pink, pedals and seat were replaced about 10 years ago, and the frame has several 1970's city bicycle license stickers on it. I hate to buy a bike just for the parts, is $150.00 worth it just for the Cyclo stuff?
On the other hand, I reently salvaged an ancient AW with an intact threaded driver, and am wondering what kind of cogs are available to stick on it. I'm not looking for a 64 gear monster, just a 24 tooth and a 19 tooth to make my rides on Vancouver's hilly streets a little more bearable. I've also scrounged a pristine ALLVIT derailleur, with the toothless jockey wheels, and wonder if this will work with the Sturmey-Archer 1/8" chain set up.
Any suggestions?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Can't let sleeping dogs lie posted by Dale Oswald on 10/3/2001 at 5:10:38 PM
This one ought to be an FAQ.

Use two SA sprockets; a 21/24 will give you even split shifts (exactly splits the 3:4 of the hub). Grind off teeth to about 1/2 roller diameter. Grind slowly so the sprocket doesn't heat up and lose hardness. Mount the sprockets back to back with no spacers. Use a new snap ring. The Allvit will work fine and is true to period, but you will probably have to put thin washers on either side of the pulleys to shim out for the wider chain.

In my experience, it works well but the Cyclo works a little better.

Guard your 24T carefully, they weren't usually ordered by shops and are rare.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Can't let sleeping dogs lie posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/4/2001 at 6:56:50 PM
I don't believe you need to put in washers to shim up the Alvit. It will work with the 1/8 chain just fine. However, if you could find a narrower brand 1/8 chain it would help.

AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by: Stacey on 10/2/2001 at 10:09:10 PM
Hi all! I've come across a Tyler, SA 3 spd, Mixte. The badging says it's Made in Poland. S/N 74-268674 is on the steering head, horizontaly just above the lower bearing cup. It looks for all the world like a later Raleigh Sport clone.

Any info would be appreciated. Offers welcome, I'll give you first crack before it goes up on eBay. Photo's available, just e-mail me.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Some info please posted by Albert on 10/3/2001 at 8:49:06 PM
The Tylers I've seen are not much speak of--- unless you'r looking for examples of cycles of questionable quality. Admittedly, those I've seen were made during the days of Soviet Union"s eastern European empire when Poland"s industries churned out the usual low quality goods we associate with socialism. However, you descibe this as having a three-speed hub; who is the manufacturer?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Stacey on 10/3/2001 at 9:39:45 PM
Thanks for your, um... kind input Albert 8-) It has a Sturmey-Archer AW hub, dated 76. The bar mounted thumb shifter is the clear plastic over 1-2-3 chrome style. Hopes are that this improves the quality slightly Except for the treatment of the top of the forks (lacking the round chrome disks) it looks identical to a 1974 vintage Raleigh Sports that I recently sold. Is it possible that head set & bottom bracket threading are the same as Raleigh?


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Albert on 10/4/2001 at 1:16:39 AM
Stacy dear, I"m terribly sorry that my comments seemed to be of some offence to you. You really must not have so much ego investment in cycles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Ben on 10/4/2001 at 3:36:23 AM
Al, if it had been me I would have left it at "no offense intended". Just a suggestion for the future.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Stacey on 10/4/2001 at 10:51:56 AM
No offense takeen whatsoever Albert. I found the thing at Salvation Army for a buck, cleaned/tuned it up for my evergrowing daughter to ride... until I came home with a Columbia "Blue Sky" muscle bike. The "Tyler" marque was an unknown quantity for me, now I know. Your delivery was much nicer than telling me I had a turd on two wheels. Thanks.

In the wind,

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/4/2001 at 6:38:25 PM
The Tyler bikes and Polish made rear hubs are interesting to me and I would love to learn all I can about them. People see "Made in Poland" on the thing and they become interested. Stacey did very well for $1.00
Sorry we can't give you the whole interesting story of Tyler.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/5/2001 at 12:42:12 AM
It's nice having you in our little discussion area Stacey, I guess yu've just about met everyone.

Regards, Edward in Vancouver

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Ben on 10/5/2001 at 2:52:59 AM
Ditto, and beg pardon for my attempts at humor now and to the distant future...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Some info please posted by Stacey on 10/9/2001 at 6:28:02 PM
Thanks for the sweet howdy-do Edward & Ben.

MISC:   ride the river walk this sunday posted by: rickey on 10/2/2001 at 7:39:35 PM
ride our bikes this sunday all ages he's & she's slow fast come one come all meet here at KNOWLES BICYCLE SHOP valley al. convoy to the trail -9am-10am sun.334-756-7561

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Source for 26 tpi Raleigh bottom brackets and headsets posted by: Lenny Dintenfass, Indianapolis, USA on 10/2/2001 at 5:13:46 PM
Anyone out there know of a source for 26 tpi bottom brackets and headsets for Raleigh-made three-speeds? I've got an old Dunelt 3-speed up and running, but the bottom bracket and headsets are very worn and I would like to find replacements if possible.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Source for 26 tpi Raleigh bottom brackets and headsets posted by Ian on 10/4/2001 at 10:33:37 AM
Lenny, you should know by now that the best source for all this old stuff is out in New Zealand. Only problem is that we talk a (slightly) different language so I need an exact description and dimensions and a picture would be good 'cause half the time we don't know what we got till its gone. Email me, cheers Ian.

MISC:   to lazy are you maby posted by: rickey on 10/2/2001 at 5:12:53 PM
well i took the time to post on several sites. let's ride the silver comet 9-30-01 well the weather was great we rode haha where were you all piled up in bead ya just being LAZY ..I allready know almost every one has a bike of course every one here has one or more especialle here, BUT DO YOU RIDE.you can get up and just say i will ride this sunday go for it i'll meet this group of people in VALLEY al. this or any sunday AT KNOWLES BICYCLE SHOP U.S.HWY 29 VALLEY AL.ONE HR. FROM MONTGOMERY--30-40-MIN.FROM COLUMBUS--ONE HR.FROM ATLANTA call 334-756-7561-mon-sat 9am-8pmthis sunday we will ride the river walk in columbus ga. all ages welcome so get on your bikes & ride...

AGE / VALUE:   another Raleigh Sprite posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/2/2001 at 2:54:47 PM
Surprise! The garage sale has bikes! Two Raleigh Sprites and only 15.00 each. The one had a Tange fork but with the Raleigh origonal headset.I held the front brake and rocked it back and forth. It was a loose headset only it didn't tightn up. I was wondering how they got these two diffrent tpi threadings to match up. It turns out they didn't, I took it apart to examine and there was one spot on the steer tube threadings where it was striped away. I threw the fork out. I went looking in the stash for another brown fork and then I realized that I already have 7 of these bikes in the same color but diffrent size frames. It was great to pull the seat post up and find that it was a long one. The pedals, R nuts, alloy Pletcher rack and the derailer drive train was what did it. The Tange fork is very similar to the Raleigh. Perhaps it was origonal and just got striped or perhaps it was a replacement and a shop ran the threads thru a 26 tap and slaped it together. The other one is a ladies Mixte frame in coffee and I just hung it up.The next time I see a Sprite I will remember that I already have too many. Unless it is at the kerb...

FOR SALE:   Dunelt roadster anyone? posted by: Gary M on 10/2/2001 at 6:20:31 AM
one of the local "Old Guys" has a nice looking all original Dunelt roadster for sale, asking $150 any interest?

   RE:FOR SALE:   Dunelt roadster anyone? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/2/2001 at 2:48:57 PM
What size wheels does this have? Is it 26 X 1 3/8 or a 28 X 1 1 /2 size wheel? Cable or rod brakes?