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Archived: English Roadsters

WANTED:†††Brooks frame posted by: Robert on 11/21/2001 at 2:58:16 PM
Anyone got a dead Brooks B72 or B66 they want to sell cheap?
Leather completely split in half, no problem. Need one with a good frame with all hardware.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††1953 HUMBER posted by: Lane on 11/21/2001 at 12:24:23 AM
I have just bought a 1953 Humber Sports and was interested in 1. It has an interesting double blade fork. What advantage would this be. and 2. It has alloy stamped on 3 speed hub, What is difference other than minor weight reduction? and weathering than other steel/crome hubs. Also it has the hockey stick chain guard on such an early model. Is this normal?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††1953 HUMBER posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/21/2001 at 4:32:28 PM
The double blade fork makes it a bit more desireable and is a cool conversation starter. The alloy shell hub is more sought after than the steel shell versions, you can polish these up and they look great. This alloy version is 1/3 lighter than the steel shell. The basic chainguard is the hockey stick model you have. A enclosed chaincase will fit onto your bike as the mounting stud that takes a bolt is on your bike.You would have to find one of these, they pop up here and better still perhaps is on e- bay. However, it likely would not match exactly and you may want to preserve origonal paint and decals in any case. Then again, you would not be the first or last to put one on afterwards. This bike was made by Raleigh in Nottingham, England who had bought up Humber already. Threadings on wearable parts such as bottom bracket cups and headsets are Raleigh's own and thus these are Raleigh made parts. These are no longer made, but they offer parts for sale here at Oldroads.com look under English 3 speed parts. Cables and other odds and ends are available. One of the "sharpest tools in the shed" here is Sheldon Brown who has a huge website you should check out. http:// www.Sheldonbrown.com Raleigh bicycles, old bicycles, look thru the glossery of terms too.
Sheldon offers many items for sale at the Harris cyclery site that the crowd here needs and wants. Take a look at what he offers too. If you go buying tires at a local shop tell them "EA 3 for English" if they don't have them then Sheldon does, so no worry. One thing people do here to "hop it up" is they buy a set of alloy rims in this size (26 x 1 3/8) and re-lace the hubs this came with into these rims. Sheldon Brown has these alloy rims I believe. They give better braking and are lighter also giving the bike a more lively feel. You may just want to give these steel rims a good cleaning and leave them alone. How are these rims? any dents in the rims?(we call this "kissed a kerb") You may find loose spokes and in this case, have a shop mechanic go over the wheels and true them unless you know how. If you just found this bike, then it is time to dissemble the steering headset and clean and re-grease and put in new ball bearings. Same thing for the bottom bracket and front hub too. Let us know here when you want to do that. It's easy, but we can walk you thru it anyways. Overhauling the rear 3 speed hub is not too difficult, but is more involved and if you want to get into that, let us know. Use Singer sewing machine oil in the rear hub, and slide off the clip on the front hub and put a few drops in the front hub. a drop on the trigger shifter too. Cool bike and welcome to the group and don't forget to look at Sheldon Brown's website.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††1953 HUMBER posted by Lane on 11/23/2001 at 1:46:47 AM
Thanks for the Info, I appreciate it. I Have been riding My Ralegh Sports for 30 years and had a late 60's Humber sports before that which i outgrew, but it did not have the same fork as the 1953. I am interested in the alloy wheels as the ones on the Raleigh sports are very worn and dented after 30 years of use.

WANTED:†††Raleigh DL 1 Tourister Chaincase posted by: Lane on 11/21/2001 at 12:15:27 AM
By chance does anyone have a full Chaincase for the DL 1 Tourister style Bycycle that is for sale?

AGE / VALUE:†††Raleigh Superbe posted by: George on 11/20/2001 at 1:33:28 AM
By the way, I forgot to mention a few other items that come with the above bike:
first of all, the bike looks like new. It has been stored in a garage for at least 15 years.
It also comes with a saddle bag containing three Raleigh tools. I believe it has the same brakes as mentioned before being rare.
The bike has also been checked and serviced by a properly licensed and well-known bike shop in Temple City, California.
The main reason to sell it for what it is really worth is that I am getting too old to ride a bike.
Thanks again, please, experts, give me your feedback.

AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/20/2001 at 1:11:40 AM
Old Antique British Bicycle
Brindia brand bicycle
This has a Raleigh type tubular fork crown
It is neat to be able to see all the diffrent bikes that pop up on e- bay
Anybody have any ideas as to where this was made?
Not my auction, no relation to seller

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by Walter on 11/20/2001 at 2:01:18 AM
Neat bike. Definitely an oldie. I've never heard of it either. Considering the starting price I'd imagine it'll end up in a collection.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by DBean on 11/20/2001 at 8:20:17 PM
Please try to put ebay item #s in the text of your message. You can't cut and paste out of the title/link.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by Stacey on 11/21/2001 at 11:47:15 AM
Sure you can Mr. Bean! Just place your cursor far to the right between the last digit of the item number and the first letter of the word following. Then it's a simple click & drag to the left, release, hit crtl-c, Viola, it's copied! Admitedly, it does require precise cursor placement.

A more "polite" way for the poster to share the item with us would be to "Ctrl-C" the URL from the address bar and then paste it in the message body.

Alternativly, one could always note all of the Item #'s with pencil and paper then when you're finished at OldRoads hop over to eBay, search by item number, then have to with your list. In any case the results are the same, just a different path to get there!

Thanks for sharing with us Chris!

In the wind,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by Tim POwell on 11/21/2001 at 2:52:56 PM
Yes this is British, I have the mans version of it. I have researched it and got a mention in an old cycling periodical from 1911. I have no info on where they were made, but it could have been one of the Wolverhampton factories in England, there were literally dozens of them. I agree it will probably go to a collector and be put on show. I ride mine on sunny days just to keep it sweet.

Regards Tim Powell.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by Jorge on 11/21/2001 at 10:34:30 PM
Its one of the first British roadsters assembled in India.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††E- bay item #1035670894 posted by Jorge on 11/24/2001 at 3:34:51 PM
Info above given to me by elder Indian friend, supposedly, all parts made in England, probably made by Raleigh, most likely very desirable cycle & investment, this one in very nice restorable condition.
Not my Auction.

FOR SALE:†††1958 Rudge posted by: Ray on 11/20/2001 at 12:37:48 AM
Take a look at my bike for sale on ebay. It is number 1035022539 and I'll tell you now its a girls bike but a real clean beauty. It has a great story behind how I came about this bike so look it over and see how nice a 1958 bike can look some some 43 years later.

   RE:FOR SALE:†††1958 Rudge posted by Jorge on 11/20/2001 at 1:33:58 AM

How can you depart of such beauty !

   RE:FOR SALE:†††1958 Rudge posted by Ray on 11/20/2001 at 11:48:48 PM
It is a matter of space. I now have almost 70 bikes in my cellar and 71 will not fit. Somethings got to go.

AGE / VALUE:†††Raleigh Superbe posted by: George on 11/19/2001 at 11:35:01 PM
I have a man's 3-speed Raleigh Superbe bike. The tire size is 26", paint original with here and there very hard to see stains.
Everything ir original on this bike including the seat. The color is green and the bike comes with many extras, such as: a bike cover, fork lock, lights (front and rear), a rack, a half chaincase, an electronic device showing time, distance(in miles or kilometers), etc.etc.
I wish I knew what a tank was, please let me know.
My main question is: what is this bike worth?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by: Mark on 11/19/2001 at 10:12:27 PM
I touched on this subject a few months ago on Oldroads, but I have recently aquired another Raleigh Superbe with rod brakes. My question is: when did Raleigh last produce a Superbe with rod brakes? I have a black 1969 (which looks original) with rod brakes, but my latest bike appears to be more recent than this, I would guess mid seventies. This is only a guess as the frame number does not appear on the serial number listing and begins with LE. The number is also stamped on the rear edge at the top of the seat tube, not on the left side of the seat lug as usual. The rear wheel has also been replaced with a 1956 FG hub.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by Warren on 11/19/2001 at 11:36:56 PM
I can't believe you found another one...has anyone in the world seen a rod-braked Raeigh Sports model, of any sort as late as the 70's? Where do you live Mark? The '56 hub sounds right...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by Mark on 11/20/2001 at 11:19:18 PM
I know this is driving you crazy Warren, but this bike is definitely not the same vintage as my 1955. A few of the things that make me thinks it's a 70's bike are that it has italized block font lettering on the down tube, no gear cable roller, and a thin plate across the chain stays to mount the rear mud guard using a clip, unlike the cross tube and bolt of older bikes. I made a mistake on the frame number though, it begins with 'N' not LE (it's the 69 which ends LE). I live in Oxford in the England, and here it really is not that uncommon to see these bikes being ridden around town.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by Warren on 11/22/2001 at 2:38:51 PM
I feel better knowing that you are from England. I think the last rod brake models imported to North America were the Tourist models from the late 70's. All the Sports models I've seen have predated 1960. I envy your selection.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by Ian on 11/24/2001 at 7:47:17 AM
Here in New Zealand I have recently seen a pair (mens and ladies)of Superbes with hubs marked '80 and '81. The owner assured me that they had been in the family from new and that the hubs would definitely not have been changed. Although they were badged as Superbe I thought they had all the features of Tourists i.e. @8" rims, rod brakes, full chainguards etc. Who really knows what Raleigh sold in different parts of the world?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by Jacob on 11/24/2001 at 2:36:49 PM
In Denmark the last rod-operated Raleigh Tourist de Luxes were sold in the early 80's. One of my friends own one of these bikes.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh Rod Brakes posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/24/2001 at 4:00:56 PM
I'm not sure when they stoped making the 26 inch wheel rod brake Supurbe in Nottingham. However, the 28 inch wheel Raleigh Tourist or "Royal Roadster" as it was now called stoped being made in 1987 in Nottingham. A pal and myself bought 2 of the last 7 complete machines to leave the factory. The others were reserved(spoken for) by company employees in the main office.
They were powder coated in a forest green shade of paint I never saw before. This was not the famous Bronze Green shade we see but diffrent. It was thickly applied and it had gold decals on the enclosed chaincase. It was a 24 inch frame with 28 inch wheels and rod brake with the Fibrax rain cheater brake pads.
The shop it arrived at assembled it despite me asking them not to.You would think I would have kept it and especially as it was $350.00 plus an extra $300.00 with shipping and the customs mightmare with documents being rushed. It was a pain to get it here. It was a step down quality wise from my other Raleighs from years past and like an idiot, I sold it to my pal who has the other one still in the origonal box.
The "Do not touch" signs on some of my bikes apply to me! I will get ahold of him and see about getting pictures taken and sent in.

AGE / VALUE:†††WWII Paratrooper Bikes posted by: Dale on 11/19/2001 at 5:36:17 PM
I met somebody the other day who claims to own two complete English paratrooper bikes. He bought them years ago from a shop in Coventry while on a business trip, and says they've never been ridden, to speak of, so they're in good condition. They're the kind that break into two parts. Big tires, single speeds. Pretty neat, I hope to get a look at them, maybe a test ride. Any idea what they're worth?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††WWII Paratrooper Bikes posted by sam on 11/21/2001 at 3:14:09 AM
Dale,these should be the BAS paratrooper bikes.last one I saw on ebay was around $900.A friend of mine has one and says it rides good.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††WWII Paratrooper Bikes posted by MichaelW on 11/21/2001 at 2:07:20 PM
I think they were BSA. British Small Arms made bikes and small arms. My local 2nd hand bike shop has one for display.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††WWII Paratrooper Bikes posted by Tom on 11/21/2001 at 7:36:15 PM
I have a frame pump in excellent condition for a British war bike. Army green paint. $20 if any one wants it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††WWII Paratrooper Bikes posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/24/2001 at 4:05:26 PM
These are another "keeper bike" that you hold onto if you find one. These go for a lot and the fact that it folds (literally in half) neatly. Plus it is a 26 inch wheel bike that fits in the back of your car trunk or on the boat.
Pick these up if you see them.

AGE / VALUE:†††R-A-L-E-I-G-H posted by: Frank on 11/18/2001 at 4:01:56 PM
I just been lurking a bit. and i like this board.
I have four of what i call "gentlemens bikes"
that i know very little about,They are a blast to ride.
I have Raleigh LTD-3 and a Superbe both have after market handlebars and thumb shifters with 3 speeds. BMX style seats.
Robinhood without shifter or factory handlebar grips.
and a Huffy Sportsman complete with grip shift 3 speed
(this one is a nice looking bike)

I'm not into getting rid of my rides, and i been looking for seats and grips...I like the leather seats and grips from the after market company's. I have the robbin hood to
part out, The fenders are going on my road bike (Ernie Clements Falcon)
Also what about putting a 10speed gears set on the 3 speed hub? Could it be done?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††R-A-L-E-I-G-H posted by Sheldon Brown on 11/19/2001 at 5:03:03 AM
OW! BMX saddles! That must hurt! I tried running a BMX saddle on a time-trial bike for a while, partly 'cause it was super light, partly 'cause I figured I'd be faster with an uncomfortable saddle--wouldn't sit down so hard on it.

The Superbe is top-of-the-line, the LTD is as low as they went and still said "Raleigh." The Robin Hood fits somewhere in between.

The fenders won't fit your Falcon. They're made for 26 inch wheels. Also, the Falcon will have the fender eyelets above the rear axle, while the Raleighs have the eyelets behind the axle...no way the stays will reach.

As to your derailer gears on a 3-speed, yes, it can be done. See: http://sheldonbrown.com/otb.html

Sheldon Brown

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††R-A-L-E-I-G-H posted by Frank on 11/19/2001 at 10:20:18 PM
You have some great info and many years in this. I really dig the 63 speed.. I will try to do one of those as well.
My huffy(Raleigh) is a nice bike I have ridden it for 5 years and I keep it oiled and cleaned. Too bad the older mechanic retired shortly after reviving it. I like the shifter and the handlebars,,,but the seats are nothing like the ones on your bikes...you have nice saddles...I agree the bmx saddles have to go, they are too hard on me bum.

AGE / VALUE:†††Truckloads posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/18/2001 at 6:31:13 PM
E- bay item #1035020646 Truckloads Bicycles, Bikes
This would make a perfect holiday gift for that pack rat in your life!Or for neighbors who already wish you would move.
Not my auction, no relation to seller, I have seen piles 100 times this bad and gone thru it all till late at night.
What fun!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Truckloads posted by Jorge ‹llfig on 11/20/2001 at 1:40:56 AM


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:When the joyride will end or cycling on the straight and narrow. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/24/2001 at 4:25:04 PM
It'll only end when death itself gets it's ancient bony butt off the saddle and comes flying after me, full force.
Then I suspect he'll shove the scythe handle thru my rear wheel spokes and throw me off. The trick is not to let it get up alongside you. Last thoughts will be, I had some fun and crazy times, didn't I?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Truckloads posted by dafydd_williams@yahoo.com on 11/26/2001 at 2:43:38 PM
My housemate and I decided to keep the joyride going... although traveling from IL to PA with a truck full of bikes gives Death a decent advantage. What were we thinking?! 26, soon to be 96.

AGE / VALUE:†††Urania posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/17/2001 at 4:21:49 PM
24 inch frame, black enamel paint, gold pinstriping, 28 inch wheels, full chaincase
and I don't know who made this model.
Urania is not in the database at all. Unless I missed it. Mentioned here before yes, but by whom or when, I don't know.
Raleigh or maybe Phillips perhaps? another maker maybe?
Anybody know anything on Urania model bike? Named after a British Battleship.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Urania posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/17/2001 at 5:43:39 PM
Thanks to Jacob who mentioned this site a little while ago
What the exact connection with this British looking Urania is, I'm not sure yet.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Urania posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/18/2001 at 6:24:09 PM
The bike has a decal that says "Our Finest steel tubing" The bike doesn't say where it was made, all it says is Urania.
Rear single speed German made hub in 28 inch alloy rims, nice,Williams fluted cranks(English made) no front brake,plastic handlegrips shrunk onto the bars that are horrible to feel. A nasty dent in both mudguards, another in the chaincase, no rack and he had removed the bell. The bike turned nicely and shone but pitting in paint and chrome too.
A hop in the rear wheel too. The fellow got cold after I said no, but thats to be expected. I hated to turn it down.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Rod brkes stop theft posted by: Simon on 11/16/2001 at 1:06:10 PM
Several days ago I rode my DL-1 downtown, parked and locked it then headed off. when I returned, the front lug nuts had been loosened and it looked like someone had tried to swip it, Dynohub and all! But the Rod brake shoes blocked removal of the wheel. I was suprized to see that a Roadster person would steel. We all see Mountain bikes every day that vultures have attacked, seats, wheels, ect.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Rod brakes stop theft posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/16/2001 at 5:26:42 PM
I went to lunch and they let me wheel it in the building. This was a Chinese restaurant and they all came up to it and looked at it and one pointed at the leather saddle.
They were talking amongst themselves and I couldn't understand but one fellow said it was a wonderful bike.It's rare when this happens but try to see if there is someplace or someone who would watch it for you or think up some crazy, innovative way you could take it inside wherever you are.
Make some kind of arrangement with somebody. Think about this, what can you do diffrently that might work? It doesn't have to be conventional or sane just effective and legal. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours type of deal. Heck, this could be a great opening line to meet somebody nice. Start off with "Hello, I need some help in making sure that my bike doesn't get riped off." you add on and go from there. Ask them if theres anything you could do for them like walk a dog or something. I dunno! Exchange cards or numbers or whatever. I have never done this, but try it. Having to walk home, the cost of replacement, hassle, the feeling that you got taken from is no good. Not to take you from the Roadster experience buy look into the Folding bike scene. Look into the Brompton folder! I hear its really great and people take them on the trains and everything. Buy an Kryptonite lock, carry an extra lock or leave it at the place you leave it at. go to http://www.SheldonBrown.com (Sheldon's site) and see what he says about theft prevention. They don't like to wait around and fidget I saw on television so make it take time to take it.
Dude, do something, don't let them steal your bike!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Rod brakes stop theft posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/16/2001 at 5:41:00 PM
Lo-jack for bicycles, the time is now!
Ask "Miss Cleo" where the bike is if it gets stolen.
Picture this, "I turned this card and I saw him tall, black hair he's the mon who took you bike! It is there, go get your bike sweetheart."
Really, with all these psychics out there everywhere, why are we plauged with bike theft and these missing people I see on little cards in my mailbox?
But then again do you really wanna go to a tarot card reader over a bicycle?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Rod brakes stop theft posted by edgar ecks on 11/16/2001 at 6:33:14 PM
A Brompton is great if you can afford it, much easier to get and keep is a Raleigh Twenty (Shopper). Several have been on ebay recently. With a 3-speed (and for me a much bigger rear sprocket), the thing really rides. Common size 20 inch tires, not much maintenance either.

AGE / VALUE:†††Man, it looks good! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/16/2001 at 1:39:22 AM
As I walked out of the market and hoped onto the bike I noticed how well it stood out, so sharp and cool with the enclosed chaincase. The chrome sides of the rims glistening and black paint shone. I thought "Who has the sharpest looking Rudge 3 speed here" I do! But then again I have been cleaning, polishing and waxing it like a fiend! Come to think of it I had the only Rudge 3 speed in sight for miles. It rode so great because I have overhauled all the races and tires and everything.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Man, it looks good! posted by Ben on 11/16/2001 at 12:04:20 PM
Speaking of overhauling, I have done everything but the bottom bracket (hubs, headset, pedals) on my Phillips. The cranks turn easily andwithout play, so i have left them alone, not wanting to mess with what looks like the original cotters. Is it wrong to leave this alone? If it were someone else's bike in the shop, I'd have those out and repack the bearings already.


AGE / VALUE:†††Humber posted by: Art on 11/15/2001 at 3:10:16 AM
I recently picked up a '52 Humber sports, cable braked, enclosed chainguard original bike. Great except I've never seen so much rust...including the frozen chain inside the chainguard! I want to make this into an interesting city rider, the frame, fenders are all ok. The rims are Raleigh 26x13/8 and I have a parts bike that will provide most everything I need.
I'd like to float a request out there for a set of 26" wheels laced to drums brakes. Are these impossible to find?
Also, I believe Humber may have made a crank that has images of hands in it(?). Anyone have one of these laying around? Peter mentioned an Indian made crank that has the word Phoenix in it, anyone ever see one of these? I'm not interested in restoring this bike, just playing around with it a little and making it fun. Any suggestions? I most likely will have a complete, enclosed chainquard if someone needs one, although I won't know what condition it's in until I get in there.

On another note and not wishing to beat a dead horse, but I want to apologize to Stacy and anyone offended by my comments in an earlier post.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Humber posted by Stacey on 11/15/2001 at 3:43:16 AM
Thank you Art, your apology is graciously accepted.

With regard to your request for wheels laced to drum brakes... It's not exactly what you're looking for however I do have a line on a Dia Compe Front Drum Brake Hub. I'm not sure of the particulars but I seem to recall that it is complete and in very nice condition. If you'd like I can try to find out more information for you; hole count, diameter, width, etc. Email me if you're interested.

In the wind,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Humber posted by Ben on 11/15/2001 at 7:55:32 PM
And the world of old bikes can breathe a little easier....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Humber posted by dafydd_williams@yahoo.com on 11/15/2001 at 9:17:17 PM
The Humber chainring has little water nymphs/people in a circle. Its cousin the Rudge has the hand. Unfortunately, I can't help you with either the Humber or Phoenix chainrings, but I might be interested in the chainguard. Look me up if you put it on market.

Sturmey still makes front and rear hubs drum brakes, but as far as I know they are hard to come by, and are fairly pricey. Older version pop up on ebay once in a while, albeit not laced up.

Anyway, sounds like you have some interesting ideas rolling around in your head. Good luck!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Humber posted by Kevin on 11/17/2001 at 1:01:03 AM
Please let me know if you decide to get rid of the chainguard. Thanks.