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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by: Keith on 1/18/2001 at 1:33:31 PM
There's a purportedly mint Superbe on ebay that is decked out and deluxe. Not mine. It's already over $300. Go look at it just for fun. While you're at it, if you're a confirmed Anglophile, check the Raleigh Competition and Super Course. Good pics.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Brian Hayes on 1/18/2001 at 4:50:27 PM
Picture's a bit fuzzy, but you can make out Weinmann brakes and levers, no headlamp bracket, no white patch on rear fender, large reflector, all of which seem to indicate that it's Canadian. It also looks like it's got cotterless cranks. All this with a full chaincase? It's obviously late model - did they come with the chaincase? Wouldn't the skirt guard be more at home on a lady's frame? I'm confused.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/18/2001 at 5:08:47 PM
Rack looks aftermarket.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Dennis on 1/18/2001 at 5:31:18 PM
It's now up to $325 and I don't see anything vintage about it, but they don't claim it be vintage anyway. Couldn't you throw something like this together for less than half the price or am I wrong? Aren't these things slathered all over Europe?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Dennis on 1/18/2001 at 5:31:20 PM
It's now up to $325 and I don't see anything vintage about it, but they don't claim it be vintage anyway. Couldn't you throw something like this together for less than half the price or am I wrong? Aren't these things slathered all over Europe?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/19/2001 at 8:45:20 AM
Supurbes had the Sturmey-Archer G.H.6. Dynohub and the light set, and the locking fork. I've seen mintier mints. The older rod brake models were the Supurb-est of the Supurbes

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Warren on 1/19/2001 at 11:39:06 AM
It's gotta be dutch...the skirt guard, lights, weinmans, mudflaps, lights and enclosed chainguard all look like any current roadster from Holland.Never seen one like it here in Canada.

MISC:   Raleigh 14 Inch posted by: Paul Aslanides on 1/18/2001 at 5:27:24 AM
Saved this bike from landfill, but I'm not sure....It's a Raleigh, with head badge, small children's frame with 14 inch wheels. Single speed Sturmey Archer coaster brake,front
wheel missing.Tyres 37 - 298 ( 14 X 1 3/8"). Rigida rim. Wheelbase 33" (84 cm). Looks like a 5/8 scale Raleigh Twenty
with single cross tube joining the seat tube to the head tube, non-folding. It has a single head bearing, at the bottom of the head tube only, the top is nylon bush,I think.
The rear axle threads are shot, but it looks like a CZ axle
might fit; it has the square bit on one end. I'm not sure this bike is worth keeping, or repairing... any info,ideas?
Locating a 14" rim, tube, and tyres won't be easy.
Thanks. Paul.

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh 14 Inch posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 1/18/2001 at 4:25:45 PM
I have a front wheel. Tires I would have to look and I dunno about the rear wheel but this shouldn't be too difficult.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Flats posted by: Jorge Ullfig on 1/17/2001 at 8:02:41 PM
Hello all you eclectic fellows

I read somewhere that those jelly filled
puncture proof inner tubes (700C)
will stretch out and fit a 28" roadster rim,
is that so, hope some one can give
some insight into flats problem!

Love my roadster fan in sunny Puerto Rico.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Flats posted by Albert on 1/18/2001 at 9:39:22 AM
You would be happier using "Mr. Tuffy" brand tire-liners. The 27"/700C size is long enough for your 28' tires. I can't imagine a more undesireable way of flat prevention than using " jelly-filled" tires. The squirm or hysteresis loss will be tremendous.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Flats posted by Keith on 1/18/2001 at 1:32:19 PM
I completely agree about the Tuffy tire liners -- you will never get a puncture flat again. The goo never worked for me -- I'd still get flats, and even when I didn't the stuff eventually either hardened or clogged the valve.

MISC:   A trip to the island posted by: Fred on 1/16/2001 at 6:33:41 PM
We have been in Florida for 2 months and I finally took a good road ride. Weather and family obligations are my excuses for not riding. The temperature was 75 degrees, the wind had finally abated, and my wife wanted me out of the house. A neighbor was as anxious to hit the road as I was so off we went to Terra Ceia Island. The island is formed by the Terra Ceia river which runs from Tampa Bay to Terra Ceia bay. A short bridge is the portal for one of the most natural pieces of land on the Florida west coast. It is not a glitzy island rather it is largely unspoiled by development. Its a place where giant live Oaks are more important than roads which have to bend around the trees. There were a few fishermen on the bridge so we stopped to see if they had caught anything and to rest for a few minutes. Immediately we were informed by a trio of little boys that there were Rays in the river which was at low tide. We looked over the railing and saw 3 Manta Rays swimming elegantly in the water below. The boys father was using a casting net which he cast over the Rays, netting one of the three. After freeing the Ray from the net we examined it closely, taking note of a wicked stinger at its tail and a mouth that was as wide as a hand. The kids wanted to take it home and eat it but the father did the right thing and dropped the Ray back in the water. We continued on our way crossing highway 19 between cars running at 70-80 mph. We continued on enjoying the clumps of bamboo and citrus groves at homes along the bay. Looking up we saw a flock of perhaps 50 turkey buzzards circling obove us. Our next stop was a small pond that is a hangout for birds of many kinds. We saw Egrets, Ibis, Anhingas, and more turkey buzzards on the far bank of the pond. In past years an alligator was also in residence but apparently it has been removed. Back in the saddle, we followed the bay shore on to an Indian shell mound that has been designated a historical site. As we made the turn from North to East we saw a small group of road riders a half mile ahead. They must have been on a coolout since we soon caught up with them at the island post office. Route 19 loomed ahead and after circling around a few times a gap opened up and we crossed safely once again. One of the incentives to ride the island loop is treating ourselves to an orange ice cream cone at the Citrus Place on the East side of 19. Another couple of miles and we were back home again, feeling good and energized. I wish I could tell you I was riding one of my Raleighs but it was my beautiful Fuji Allegro I rode this time.

WANTED:   DL-1 Front Fender posted by: Brian Hayes on 1/16/2001 at 6:00:11 PM
I am in need of a front fender, with stays. Condition not critical - I just need a practical, working fender for wet weather. Anybody got one they want to sell? I've been looking on eBay on and off for about a year, to no avail. Anyone living in the Columbus, OH area interested in swapping parts, stories, etc? Drop me a line...


AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. (Marko) on 1/16/2001 at 3:03:35 PM
Oh man ,oh man! I want to ride my bike so bad I can literally taste it! We've had snow around here for the last couple of months, untill just this week. Now it looks like early Spring(but isn't), and I am HORNEY, (yes I said a bad word)to get out on my DL-1 like I can't say! THEN I see this TV ad for that new Sean Connery movie and he's riding on a bike just like ours, DANG IT! If anyone can do a weather dance, or cast an "early Spring" spell, I'll pay good money!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Keith on 1/17/2001 at 8:50:04 AM
I've ridden my DL-1 and Sports over ice and snow where other bikes wouldn't make it. Let a little air out of the tyres, bundle up, and give it a try.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Keith on 1/17/2001 at 12:06:41 PM
P.S. Go to www.icebike.com for inspiration.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by sam on 1/18/2001 at 9:07:31 AM
Keith,do you think studded tires for your DL-1 would make a difference?Not the kind I saw on icebike , more like the old studded schwinn balloon type(with small close studds)I can sometimes get them in Mexico for 28" rims.Do you think anyone would need them?--sam

AGE / VALUE:   Pashley on E-Bay posted by: ChristopherRobin on 1/16/2001 at 2:56:52 PM
Take a look! E-Bay item # 1108275996 Pashley Princess Womans Elite. Not my auction, a very nice looking cycle

WANTED:   Truing stand recommendations posted by: Robert on 1/15/2001 at 1:48:57 PM
I am looking for an inexpensiv truing stand. I like the price of the Pyramid brand but know nothing about them.
This one will not see everyday use. Just looking for a decent one for occasional use.

Any suggestions?

Anyone have one they will sell?

   RE:WANTED:   Truing stand recommendations posted by Fred on 1/15/2001 at 8:23:30 PM
Robert: I use a Minoura stand that sells for $49.95 In catalogs e.g., Excel, Nashbar and others. It is well made and very satisfactory. I have built a lot of wheels both symetrical and offset types using the Minoura and recommend it for non-professionals. Of course you could also use an old fork set and a bit of wire as a gage but I sense you are a little beyond that.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lincoln Imp posted by: John Houston (Scotland) on 1/15/2001 at 9:39:52 AM
I'm looking for info on an old bike I used to ride: head badge is missing but the name plate is still intact and says its a Lincoln Imp.

Sheldon Brown's pages would lead me to believe this is an Elswick; though my Dad reckons its an Ernie Clements frame.

As Sheldon's page also hosts a letter indicating Clements and Elswick may have crossed paths this may be true.

Does anyone have any further info on the name Lincoln Imp: Is it definately an Elswick or was it used with other makes?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lincoln Imp posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 1/25/2001 at 5:29:17 PM
The C.T.C. and the Vetrans cycle publication. Hilary Stone and people like him. Ask around at the jumbles. I have old "Cycling and Mopeds" from the 1950's and 1960's but your Lincoln Imp would not be covered because your machine is probably older. Good Luck, have safe enjoyment out of it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   For Sale: British gear hubs, wheels, parts, etc... posted by: Jason on 1/14/2001 at 9:28:21 AM
Hi folks,

Cleaning time, so here goes! Many assorted hubs, wheels, parts. New and used. Includes AW, SW, Brampton, Hercules, BSA, AG, Dynohubs. Entire lot for sale only. Pickup only. Lot is located in Rhode Island, just off I-95 at the RI/MA border. Interested? Please contact me for further details.


FOR SALE:   Sturmey Archer hub service manual for sale posted by: Karl Eicher on 1/11/2001 at 9:44:39 PM
Hi Folks,
I'm outside my normal area of expertise, I am a vintage lightweight fan mostly. I do have an old Sturmey Archer hub service manual for auction on Ebay at the moment. Information may be found at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1107898053
Current price for this item is $ 15.00
I hope that this sort of posting to your group is not unacceptable, and may be of some use to you.
Thank you, Karl.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   robin hood posted by: jenny on 1/11/2001 at 6:35:19 AM
I just picked up a pair of robin hood bikes from a sale. They are the cutes,man,womans bikes.They have the finest little flash lights on the front. they look like the 1958 bike seen here .Can anyone tell what they are worth or something about them. thanks

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   robin hood posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 1/11/2001 at 2:34:31 PM
Follow e- bay and watch what these are selling for. I guess thats a good way to answer that question.
What color are these? Oh, they turned out some pretty Robin Hood bikes with nice colors. I love the badge on these. This has got to be a cable brake, 26 inch wheel version. Right? As I have not yet seen a Rod brake Robin Hood. I believe these were all cable brake models. But then again with the way this is so tricky I would not be too surprised. A black bike is not that apealing after you have seen some of the late 50's and 1960 colors. Raleigh had a model bike called Gazelle but it got confused with the Dutch company called Gazelle so about 1958 or somewhere in there, Raleigh changed the name to Robin Hood. This name was part of the large B-grade line of bikes. They stoped making these about 1969 or so. Some Raleigh Excutive came to the States to implement some changes and all the many nameplates on Raleigh B-grade bikes ceased and they reverted to Raleigh name only. But then there was Rampar made in Japan. What year did these stop?

Humber is intreguing to me because I have some. Did they make the Double fork model before Raleigh bought up Humber? Raleigh bought Humber in like 1935 and made Humber double fork models well into 1960 at least. One source tells me up to 1980! I have not seen too many Humber's from before 1935, so Im not sure.

If you go to New York you will see these chained up to a pole where somebody is using it every day to get to and from work. I loved seeing all the diffrent old British " city bikes" After getting chewed out for driving in and not taking a bus I told about all the diffrent bikes I saw. (The car overheated) The bike shops did not have many old parts left at all and many looked at me strangely when I asked for rod brake shoes. The did not know what I was talking about!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   robin hood posted by phil on 1/12/2001 at 7:20:47 AM
ChristopherRobin, regarding the Humber "Sports", I have a couple of them hanging from my ceiling. The 51 has the double fork, but the 61 does not. The double fork is diffinently cool. But what is not cool about the 51 is that someone painted it red with white fenders. Oh, the shame.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   robin hood posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/13/2001 at 11:54:33 AM
The Raleigh made Humber bicycles were produced with the double tube fork and the more common regular fork. My question is how long were the two types produced simultaniously? Which version fork was discontinued first? I have a ladies fork double tube Humber in the most lovely shade of Robins Egg blue. The whole bicycle must have been really lovely.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA posted by: Tony on 1/9/2001 at 8:14:02 PM
Hello..this looks like a place I might find someone who can tell me about my BSA. Its a girls frame with a 5-spd setup. It has a short "wing" shaped chain guard. The headbadge and decal on the seat tube have the british small arms 3 rifles stacked, they look like a teepee. You can see they are rifles with bayonets. Does anyone know much about this old bike?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 1/10/2001 at 7:54:59 AM
This is likely a Raleigh made bike with the BSA name. A good city or commuter bike. I would clean it up and put on new tires and ride it. Neat that it is a BSA.

AGE / VALUE:   Epi efficiency update posted by: Randy on 1/9/2001 at 10:16:10 AM
I emailed Frank Berto and received a very gracious reply. He is interested in seeing the article, and I sent a photocopy of the article on its way to him yesterday.

His email did have some promising news. I'll ask him if it's OK to post it here.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Epi efficiency update posted by Keith on 1/9/2001 at 1:46:09 PM
Randy, I am very grateful for your efforts. As a non-engineer who's never seen the materials you refered to a couple of years ago (and probably couldn't follow anyway), I knew that I wasn't up to the task. Clearly, Berto is a well-respected expert and historian at this point, and his Dancing Chain is an important work. I hope that your efforts in this regard will pay off so that readers of the next edition of the Dancing Chain will be given a more balanced and accurate view of epicyclic hubs, and certainly more than the passing "friction box" moniker. Again, many thanks.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Epi efficiency update posted by Randy on 1/10/2001 at 10:09:47 AM
Aw shucks, all I did was photocopy a journal article and mail it off... But thanks for your thanks! :-) :-)

Here's the news I mentioned above, which Frank Berto said is OK to repeat here (quote from his email):

"Dr. Chester Kyle and I have just completed an efficiency test of Sturmey Archer 3-, and 7-speed hubs, Shimano 3- ,4- and 7-speed hubs, the Rohloff 14-speed hub, the Browning 12-speed derailleur and the Shimano 27-speed deore xt. This will be published somewhere, possibly "Adventure Cyclist"."


"The efficiency test article is probably going to take a few months to write up and I would rather not answer a ton of e-mails supplying preliminary data."

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Epi efficiency update posted by Keith on 1/11/2001 at 7:48:42 AM
I have to respect Berto for rolling up his sleeves and getting involved in testng himself. I look forward to seeing the results.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Epi efficiency update posted by ChristopherRobin on 1/11/2001 at 2:41:31 PM
To put together that book was a huge accomplishment and we all applaud him I'm sure. To add to it, insert corrections, and elaborate on the first book will be some more hard work. Im looking forward to any following up on this he may be doing. He has taken some good bites out of a very large subject.

AGE / VALUE:   Finding Forrester posted by: ChristopherRobin on 1/8/2001 at 5:45:17 PM
I saw the movie Finding Forrester and it is excellent. A Raleigh Tourist rod brake, Shawn Connorry and a good story line.

   Finding Forrester posted by John E on 1/11/2001 at 10:43:48 AM
Thanks for the review. The previews looked very interesting to me, and of course I noticed the road-braked English cycle. My wife wants to see it, and I plan to entice the boys, aged 11 and 16, to come with us.