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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please forgive the silly question, But how do I shift this thing? posted by: Don on 3/17/2001 at 5:49:03 PM
Okay, I've put some air in the tires of my (believed to be 1956) ladies Phillips 3 speed and I've taken it around the block. Now, what is the proper way to shift these old 3 speeds? While coasting? With a little back pedalling? It shifts (L N H)... I just would like to know what evactly I'm supposed to do. I don't intend to ride this much, I just like to take them around the block once in a while while I am tinkering with them. The more I look at it the more I find about this bike that I like. But at 6'4" I am truely out of place on it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please forgive the silly question, But how do I shift this thing? posted by Warren on 3/18/2001 at 9:24:17 AM
Yes to the coasting and /or backpedalling...whatever works. And yes you are a little large for a womens Sports model. You need the big 24 inch Tourist/DL-1 mens frame. You might find that to be a ride you could get used to.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please forgive the silly question, But how do I shift this thing? posted by phil on 3/18/2001 at 10:40:04 AM
A good way to shift is to a little load off the gears when you shift. You don't actually have to back pedal, just lighten up a little.

And I agree with the comment about your size and a DL1, however a sports with a large frame would do well too. Push the seat you're using all the way back, or even turn the clamp around to get it back as far as possible.

5'8" and happy to fit most bikes.

FOR SALE:   1974 Raleigh Superbe posted by: Katrina Brown on 3/17/2001 at 2:59:15 PM
Apparently this old bike was purchased in england and dragged back to the U.S. just to sit in the garage, the bike has all original parts, looks like not ridden very often, anyone have any idea what it's worth?

   RE:FOR SALE:   1974 Raleigh Superbe posted by Warren on 3/18/2001 at 9:19:35 AM
There's never an easy answer to this. Pictures are needed...how good is the condition, in detail...what accessories does it have ie: working Dyno light, tool bag...leather brooks saddle or mattress version? It also depends on where you live. The east coast tends to have many more of these bikes and therefore less demand. I've got two Superbes in average condition with Dyno's and mattress saddles that I would value at seventy five to a hundred each if that helps.

AGE / VALUE:   Bifurcated humber frame on ebay posted by: sam on 3/17/2001 at 11:06:49 AM
spoted this on ebay #1123391734

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bifurcated humber frame on ebay posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/18/2001 at 12:09:56 PM
This has the 7 inch long cranks ,and that is a big plus.This has the men in a circle(there is a name for this particular crank and I don't know what it is) it is the genuine Humber crank. This is a Raleigh made model thought but thats ok. I wish this was a 28 inch wheel model but it is not. This is a 26 inch wheel model instead. I love these forks!!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bifurcated humber frame on ebay posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/22/2001 at 10:41:45 AM
One bidder, it's at 75.00 right now.

   Humber frame on E-bay posted by Christopherrobin2@starmail.com on 3/26/2001 at 4:59:22 PM
It went to 81.00 for just a used frame and the bifrubicated or double bladed Humber fork, also a Humber crank with the little nen running around and it was a 7 inch length one. No wheels or anything else. $81.00 Now if this was a Raleigh Sports in this shape with missing parts it would not have gone this high. The fact that it was a Humber albeit a Raleigh made one with this particular fork was the reason it went as far as it did. A complete Humber in very good shape with the basic fork went to $250.00 This was similar to the Raleigh Sports only it was badged up as a Humber.

The Humber car and motorcycle sites on the web do not even show the bicycles at all. This is a common attitude and so while you should check out the site anyway you will not see push bikes there. There is a degree of snobbery about the bicycles in the motorcycle web sites. Only the motorcycles and cars. I believe there may be some collectors who have a Humber bicycle in the collection but getting someone to acknowledge owning one and buying one is like pulling teeth. Keep looking on e-bay if you are a fan of Humber bikes with the fork that has people running across the street and starting conversations.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Spotted: NOS Rudge Sports posted by: JimW. on 3/17/2001 at 10:57:24 AM
I went over to my neighborhood bike shop, Emey's in NYC. Jim Junget had sent me the dual 20" rimmed rear wheel for the BikeRod&Kustom Recumbent Dragster Project. I'd been frantic with work for over a week since the wheel had arrived, and this was my first chance to play with it and show it off to someone else. Emey was convenient, so I took a stroll over to his shop with it. Emey has a sort of OG bike shop, very much like a cave filled with bikes and associated bits and pieces- my kind of bike joint.

As I got to the shop, I glanced at the bike in the front window. Then I took a good look. It was a Rudge Sports, in brown with gold trim. It was absolutely beautiful. It had that nice squarish headlamp, with the wiring neatly dressed around the handlebars, and everything. It looked, literally, like a brand-new bike. As I came through the door, Emey said "December 1965". He'd obviously seen me out there gawking at it. He told me that it's all original, tires and tubes included. It's so fresh, I can't believe it's ever been ridden. This one didn't come with the Dynohub wheel, but Emey has one on hand he'd switch with the original, if someone wanted. What a beauty! Emey wants $600 for it, if anyone's interested. Emey's Bike Shop is at 141 E.17th St. New York, NY 10003 (212)475-7409. Unfortunately, Emey is computer-resistant, so he has no E-mail address.

FOR SALE:   More NOS Sturmey-Archer parts listed. More to come posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 3/17/2001 at 8:44:13 AM
We've added more NOS Sturmey-Archer parts on our "Bicycles/Parts FOR SALE" page.

Many more to come.

FOR SALE:   Raliegh 3 spd superior 1973 posted by: Phil on 3/17/2001 at 6:09:41 AM
Raliegh 3 Spd ,Sturmey Archer has 73, front dyno hub, rear carrier, nice original condition, green paint- $80

   RE:FOR SALE:   Raliegh 3 spd superior 1973 posted by Bruce on 3/17/2001 at 6:18:33 PM
Phil,What size frame does it have?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Raliegh 3 spd superior 1973 posted by Phil on 3/18/2001 at 7:27:26 PM
It is a 21" frame and it is a "Superb" not Superior

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Raliegh 3 spd superior 1973 posted by Phil on 3/21/2001 at 7:44:39 AM
The bike is real nice- I will take $60+shipping

AGE / VALUE:   Has any ever seen a bicycle like this posted by: Dan Miller on 3/16/2001 at 6:41:42 PM
I have a bicycle that is a mystery to everyone I have shown it too. It is a BARNES model 20 special. Does anyone have any information about this.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Has any ever seen a bicycle like this posted by Phil on 3/17/2001 at 6:21:13 AM
Barnes was a bicycle Mfg. from Buffalo,NY from 1894-1900 era, do you have a picture of it?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Has any ever seen a bicycle like this posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/17/2001 at 9:52:28 AM
You have something here, be patient now. I never am patient myself, but go carefully. A picture sent in to the database here would be great.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Has any ever seen a bicycle like this posted by Dan Miller on 3/17/2001 at 3:27:14 PM
I have never taken picture of the bike yet but I will and I will send them to who ever wants them!!

AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 kickstand on Ebay--brought $51 posted by: Kevin C on 3/16/2001 at 2:36:37 PM
A Raleigh kickstand for a DL-1 brought $51 on eBay today. Why are they so tough to find? All three of the DL-1s I've had had no kickstand at all. Were they standard equipment or an option?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 kickstand on Ebay--brought $51 posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/17/2001 at 9:59:21 AM
This was the Raleigh made, long, alloy model made for the inch rod brake model. Raleigh's own made in house. Marvelous! These polish up so nicely. My favorite! Worth it. They used Esgee Pletcher later on. Another good kickstand too but not as nice as the Raleigh one. Why are they so hard to find? They went to Pletcher in like 1960 or thereabouts. Perhaps folks broke these(even though it is sturdy) A kickstand was optional sometimes like the E-light lantern was. People leaned then up against kerbs too. Good question. Why are these tough to find?
These are unique as they are made to go around the rear brake linkage.

AGE / VALUE:   front dynohub & spoke count posted by: dave on 3/16/2001 at 2:19:48 PM
I recently got a front dynohub and wanted to lace it to a Raleigh front wheel ...
turns out the front rim I selected was the usual (older) 32 spoke variety ... I had
assumed the dynohub would be also but instead it is 36 spoke -- does this mean
it's later, or were all/most of the dynohubs always 36 spoke?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   front dynohub & spoke count posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/16/2001 at 2:37:34 PM
It's a later hub. A 36 hole dynohub is worth more because it is a more desirable drilling.

MISC:   SA TCW posted by: Albert on 3/16/2001 at 10:43:24 AM
I would like to share with members of the planetary community the following from Tony Hadland's book The Sturmey-Archer Story as it appears on page 139: " However the TCW III still suffered from the main disadvantages of its predecessor; it still had a " no brake " position between high and middle gears; and the braking rate still varied according to the gear in use." Hadland goes on to say on the next page about the TCW's successor the S3C: "The ingenious design was a great improvement on the TCW series; but it was not put into ptoduction until the following decade." What! Here we have the mangement under the previous ownership continuing to market a product whose design faults were an endangerment to its users. And, all the while they had an improved version that they chose not to market for nearly ten years! Why this disregard for the cyclist( many users of the TCW were children as some cycle manufactures correctly pointed out that a child's physiological development is best suited to using the feet for propulsion and stopping). The answer to this question, I believe lies in the class-ridden nature of British society and the affect it has on British industry. The British auto and cycle industries were managed at the upper levels by those with the proper school ties rather that than with a vida showing merit and attainment. The indiginous British auto industry is now gone as is SA as we knew it. May I add as an auto mechanic( A.S.E. Master Auto Technician) that the design problems associated with the previous owners of SA pale in insignificance when we look at British automobiles. Now, to the relief of some I hope this will be my last and diffinative word on the TCW.

   RE:MISC:   SA TCW posted by Keith on 3/18/2001 at 10:22:19 AM
Well done Albert. Based on what you've said, I would not ride a TCW-equiped bike without a backup caliper brake, and even then I'd be careful. Furthermore, if I acquire a TCW hub, I would not resell it. As for the cars, recently, a Mini enthusiast friend of mine, commenting upon an upcoming cross-state Mini rally, openly questioned whether any of the cars could make it across the state without breaking down. He wasn't kidding. (Yet he loves Mini.)

   RE:MISC:   SA TCW posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/18/2001 at 5:32:27 PM
I was shocked to read Albert's theory that english upper classes purposly designed shoddy bicycle gears and cars. I believe the U.K. has no shortage of lawyers or courts of law. I'd also like to point out to Albert that until the early 1960's, U.S. automakers were only concerned with horsepower, hood ornaments, and tailfins, whereas european automakers had already designed and produced front wheel drive systems, disc brakes, and shoulder style seat belts. Both Ford and GM would only outfit vehicles with seatbelts if the customer requested, they felt that seatbelts would remind the driver that he was in a metal coffin. It was largely due to the efforts of Ralph Nader (the guy who killed the Chevy Corvair) who shamed the reluctant "big 3" into being responsible for their products, designing safer cars, and providing warranties for their products. Also as a note of interest, to this date the U.S. federal Gov't can not or will not enforce country wide mandatory seat belt legislation.
Gentlemen, 'nuff said about english class systems, english and american cars, and socio-economical theories. Lets just get back to english roadsters, O.K.?

   RE:MISC:   SA TCW posted by Keith on 3/19/2001 at 8:01:42 AM
That's easy for me -- I don't own a car.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   one speed posted by: paul brandt on 3/16/2001 at 5:12:17 AM
I have an old DL-1 I bought at an auction a few years ago. It seems like a normal roadster with 28" rims, rod brakes, fully enclosed chain guard, etc. except it is a single speed - not a coaster brake, but a single speed free wheel. Were these very common?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   one speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/16/2001 at 10:21:06 AM
These were very common. The majority of the working class did not have 3 speed hubs until later on. The 3 speed hub drove the price up. Back then the cycle shops took these freewheels apart for cleaning and repair. I do not recomend you try this however. What size frame is this? Raleigh, Phillips, Humber and Rudge made these Roadster frames in 22,24, 26 and 28 inch size frames. Most folks think the 24 inch frame is the largest but they are wrong. A ride on a 28 inch wheel, 26 inch frame,rod brake roadster bike is a real treat. You measure from the center of the bottombracket spindle (axle) up to the top where the seatpost goes in, following the seattube up.
tall frame 26 inch roadsters are not offered on e-bay. (Iv'e never seen a tall one offered for sale.

Ladies frames with the long headtube pop up now and then but the mens models are difficult. If only the owners I meet would stop clutching the darned thing and take the payment from me. They say" Oh No! Sorry.. It's not for sale." I stand there looking at them. It's like trying to take a bowl of food away from a dog that is eating it's dinner. Not a easy or pleasent task.

When I did get my paws on one of these tall frame Raleighs it was expensive. I paid $690.00 plus shipping and discovered later the tag on the handlebars that read $250.00. The fellow made a nice profit. I have had it re-done and cherish it often. I overpaid and believe these are not worth that much. It will be interesting to see what one will sell for. I keep an eye out.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   one speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/16/2001 at 10:26:09 AM
These get thrown away, people rescue these from the dumps, bringing them home for free or next to nothing. I couldn't find one on my own and asked for help in finding one. This was the first time I had a bicycle broker help me reel one in. Usually I work alone.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   one speed posted by paul brandt on 3/16/2001 at 5:35:32 PM
A little additional info on the single speed.
I went down to the basement to take a look at it. It is a Raleigh "the all steel bicycle", 22" frame, serial number on left side of seat tube near the top is DF37007 and has a Brooks B-33 seat.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   one speed posted by Kevin C. on 3/17/2001 at 3:39:40 AM
Wow! A 28-inch frame! Who were they made for, the Buckingham Palace guards?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   one speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/17/2001 at 10:03:51 AM
D.F. is not listed in the existing serial number chart here. Bummer

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh NOS Pedals for sale posted by: Robert on 3/15/2001 at 6:33:03 PM
Raleigh 70's style NOS pedals on ebay. Very nice.

Item NO. 1123721988

FOR SALE:   Raleigh pedals NOS 70's for 3 speed for sale posted by: Robert on 3/15/2001 at 6:33:03 PM
For sale on ebay a pair of NOS Raleigh pedals. NOS. Very nice!

Item No. 1123721988

FOR SALE:   Raleigh pedals NOS 70's for 3 speed for sale posted by: Robert on 3/15/2001 at 6:33:03 PM
For sale on ebay a pair of NOS Raleigh pedals. NOS. Very nice!

Item No. 1123721988

MISC:   Raleigh facsimile ? posted by: Ed Landreth on 3/15/2001 at 1:25:51 PM
About two years ago I spotted a bike at a yard sale that,at first glance, I took to be an English Raleigh Sports.I own two old Sports,and closer inspection of the bike in question indicated that it was not a Raleigh Sports and likely not made in England. I offered the man holding the sale thirty bucks, he accepted so I took the bike home and still own and ride it from time to time.The seller told me that it was an old Raleigh that he had picked up used, serveral years ago,but hadn't ridden it latly.He was planning to move soon and was cleaning out his garage. The frame is identical to the frames on my 1969 and 1972 Sports.The Head badge is bordered in chrome rather than brass and the black section of the badge under the bird and the word Raleigh says Cycle Company of America instead of Nottingham England.It has a three speed Shimano rear hub, rather than Sturmy Archer.The sides of the top tube have a red decal ,which says three speed Sport,Sport on this bike is not plural as on the English version.The small chrome tip on the end of the front fender of the English version extends back along the fender about six inches on the bike in question.The color of the bike is brown with thin gold stripping. The chain guard is similar to the English Raleighs except there are ridges on the front of the guard.The brakes are side pull,similar to the brakes on the English bikes. I would like to hear from anyone who might know anything about this bike:approximate age,where manufactured or anything else. I also own a Raleigh single speed cruser that was made in Canada around 1978.The Raleigh U.S. bike has no similarity to that one either with the exception of the design of the frame. Thanks for any information you may be able to offer. Ed