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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   Raleigh DL 1952 26" wheels 21" frame posted by: Phil on 3/21/2001 at 7:22:22 AM
Raleigh DL Has 52 on rear hub, rear fender shot, front light shot, Dyno front hub, enclosed chainguard, 21" frame.Brooks saddle, Rod brakes. The bike has need of some restoration, but paint is good black condition, with decals visible- $75+Shipping

AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by: Jim on 3/21/2001 at 5:05:59 AM
Has anyone ever seen one? Curved top bar. Any info? Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by cj on 3/21/2001 at 5:08:22 AM
They aren't that uncommon - at least the ones from the 1960s aren't.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Albert on 3/21/2001 at 8:17:17 AM
This was an attempt to accommadate smaller riders. The feature has little else to recommend

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Jim on 3/22/2001 at 5:44:42 AM
Here check it out. I have some pictures posted on the web.

The bike is in great condition. There is some brake wear on the sides of the rims other that that the chrome is nice. The pedals are wrong. But the paint and decals are very nice. Check out the decals pictured in the 2nd photo it is pretty impressive.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Ed on 3/22/2001 at 8:24:30 AM
I got my first two wheeler when I was six,that was sixty-two years ago. I've been riding and working on bikes ever since,recently as a collector. I have never seen a Raleigh Colt. I went by our local bike shop this morning,showed the picture to two guys who have at least forty years experience in the business They'd never seen a Colt either. The Colt may not be rare where some of you are,but it's sure rare in Tidewater VA. Ed.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Warren on 3/22/2001 at 8:06:07 PM
Everytime I try to go to this coconutgirls address, all I get is code...does anyone else have this problem? What's up!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Jim on 3/22/2001 at 8:39:13 PM
Try it again Warren it works.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Dewane on 3/23/2001 at 10:26:39 AM
I have the same problem, because there is no file type next to the name (e.g. colt.jpg, colt.gif or whatever type of pic it is), the browser can't figure out how to deal with the link, so it opens it up as text, which is why all the funky characters.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Jim on 3/23/2001 at 10:36:47 AM
Try it here

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   58 Raleigh Colt posted by Dewane on 3/23/2001 at 12:31:56 PM
Thanks for the links, that's a beauty. I've never seen anything like that either.

   (Older model)  '58 Raleigh Colt boys humpback posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/26/2001 at 5:37:10 PM
Very nice bike. I like it. These are seen a bit less but when you do find one they are a lovely treat.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wolverhampton museum posted by: MichaelW on 3/21/2001 at 4:47:32 AM
Ran into this gem of a site from the Wolverhampton Transport Museum. Wolverhampton is a small indutrial city near Birmingham (BSA) and Nottingham (Raleigh), but has quite a heritage of cycling industry.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wolverhampton museum posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/22/2001 at 9:50:16 AM
Even a blind squirrel on the wrong side of the pond can pull off a miracle or two.I'm two steps ahead of you all. It's called "primary source material"

AGE / VALUE:   New Hudson - info wanted posted by: Ernie @ Bikes on Boundary, keeper of the bones on 3/20/2001 at 8:01:29 PM
Got this old [59 on sw hub....shot!]bike, I'm restoring it, sort of,says "New Hudson" on brass headbadge, rest of decals or paint hopeless,actually found an over the counter paint that matches original.....crankset and other comps are BSA, rear dropouts go straight out back, headset is raleigh.
Does anyone have any info, please?
Ernie @ Bikes on Boundary

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   unforseen problem posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 3/20/2001 at 6:39:33 PM
Nine months and I'm still not finished with my project. My frame has been beaded and repainted, and all the fittings have been re-chromed, that's the problem. I gave the fittings with the bike shop who did the painting, and asked them to run the nuts and bolts through with taps and dies to clean out the threads since they didn't mesh after the plating. The mechanic called me back a few days later and told me he could only chase out the threads on the crank arms, all the rest were--yes you guessed it--26 tpi threads. Most of the stuff that needs to be re-threaded are the brake levers and clamps, and the fiddly bits: chain guard mounts, tail light mounts, etc. I've called around to alot of the machine shops, but alas, no one has 26 tpi tooling. What are my options? Can I make taps and dies from my "back up" supply of old parts? Will they be hard enough to cut through the chrome plating?
One last question while I still have the floor, and it's been on my mind from the tender age of 7, when I opened my first patch repair kit: What is that little length of rubber tube that's always included, what is it used for?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   unforseen problem posted by Brian Hayes on 3/20/2001 at 8:52:47 PM
Once again, Sheldon to the rescue. He's got this explained in his glossary... see the following link.


I always wondered what it was for as well, until I stumbled upon Sheldon's Woods/Dunlop valve entry.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   unforseen problem posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/24/2001 at 7:22:44 AM
Finding a set of bottombracket taps to chase out Raleigh Threads is not easy. Still on it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Troubleshooting help posted by: Hanson on 3/20/2001 at 6:22:04 PM
I am having a bit of trouble with my rear hub. It is a 1968 SA AW Hub. It is on a really nice Raleigh Sports that I found in a garbage pile in Seattle. Upon finding the bike I overhauled the whole thing, hub and all. Took apart everything, cleaned it in solvent, re-oiled/greased it and put it back together. The problem is that it (hub) is making this pulsing hollow scraping sound. The sound only happens when I am coasting or pedaling backwards. When I pedal forwards the sound goes away, so I am assuming it has something to do with the internal freewheel but I cant figure out where the noise is coming from. I have disassembled and reassembled the hub 2 or 3 times and can find nothing extremley worn or damaged. The sound is proportionate to the speed at which I am travelling, like a bent wheel rubbing on a fender. I am positive the noise is coming from in the hub and nowhere else because it makes it when I spin the freewheel when the wheel is off the bike. The hub is also leaking oil from the the left hand side from what appears to be underneath the metal cap. Is it possible to use too much oil inside the hub? Is it possible to tighten the cap or is it fixed on the hub? Thnks so much for any help you can provide. Cheers- Hanson

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Troubleshooting help posted by Hanson on 3/20/2001 at 8:05:24 PM
PS- Im not sure if you call it a freewheel on a three speed, but Im refering to the ratcheting mechanism that allows the sprocket spin backward...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Troubleshooting help posted by Tom Findley on 3/21/2001 at 5:46:28 AM
If it doesn't leak oil, it's not British.
Is this your first S-A hub? The AW is supposed to click when coasting or pedaling backwards. A hollow scraping sound means you may have the parts in the wrong sequence, causing rubbing where it shouldn't. Also, check if the parts are in the correct direction. Putting a non-symmetrical part in backwards may cause this noise.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Troubleshooting help posted by Dale Oswald on 3/21/2001 at 9:45:01 AM
I know that sound... If the hub otherwise works fine, it's probably just the dust cap rubbing on the ball ring. Remove the sprockets and look for worn spots and obvious bending, hold it down and turn the driver, listen and feel. You can probably just bend it outward (but just a little!) to eliminate the noise.

As for the oil, yes you have too much in there. If I remember the manuals correctly, it calls for 10 drops after reassembly and three drops a month after that.

AGE / VALUE:   1951 Rudge WitWorth English Roadster posted by: FLAVIO FIGLIOLA on 3/19/2001 at 11:57:17 PM
I own this particular bike, it is a browm color i think its called coffee.Purchased from a Recycling yard near wear i live. It's fully acessorized with leather saddle,Dynohub three speed rear,leather saddle,grey rubber grips (rib)serial #"s on all parts on rear hub has six different patents numbers.Dry cell tube with accumulator unit located under cross tube under seat reads Dynolux.Also has bag with a Brooks made in england wrench, Locking front forks with a key and has brooks B66 leather saddle, rear and front lights, also has full chaincase.Bike is all orignal with some aging but is complete is anybody has similar bicycle or bicycles and what the true value could be.please reply Thank you.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Rudge WitWorth English Roadster posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/20/2001 at 1:48:08 PM
I sit here trying to grasp the fact that somebody actually threw this bike away. It wound up in the recycling yard! The recycling yard, a dump, They threw it out. A complete Rudge with all the goodies, locking fork and everything. It hurts, it really does. Im gonna scream again, loudly. The dynoluxe acumulator tube, a little bag/leather tool pouch with tools even. This is probably really faded maroon in color. They didn't offer brown in 1951 I don't think. 1951 is a good year. This is an old bike and complete too. Flavio, please promise me you will go back to this recycling yard place on a regular basis and keep an eye out. Bring home more bikes. You did very well, you were lucky. It is hard to say without a photo showing us the condition. There are exploded diagrams covering this bike here under Raleigh/Rudge/ Humber exploded diagrams. It's under the resources section here. With a key?? It still has the origonal key? Thats great!! Oh, the keys get lost all the time. Offer it on e- bay and see. Perhaps around $150.00 maybe up a bit from there. Depends on condition.

As I walk past and review my beloved troops who are out there in the field rescuing bikes I will have a little box with a silver medal in it for bravery/ above and beyond the call of duty and a kiss on eack cheek.
Keep it up.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Best Junk Yard Find posted by: Paul R. on 3/19/2001 at 6:56:18 PM
I was at my local bike shop this weekend and glanced in the back lot through the stockade fence and saw what looked to be a very clean 70's vintage mens Raleigh Sports in a heap of other junkers that the owner keeps for parts or occaisionally fixes up and sells to somebody who needs a cheap bike. The owner noticed my interest and said five bucks and I could take my choice. I went in and started extricating the '74 coffee colored mens sports (with seat bag and manual!) when I thought I glimpsed a wheel with a dynohub in another stack of junkers. When I took a closer look it turns out to be a '53 Humber Sports, full gearcase, mens 23", full dynohub equipment, original tubular rack, B-66, biforcated fork, was I dreaming? I wheeled both bikes out through the stockade fence and tried to look nonchalant as the owner walked up. He hesitated a bit, and then said he would have to take the tools if there were any in the pouches. Releived, I said sure, paid him $10, and loaded them in the truck. I did have to endure a, "If I see one more bike..." lecture from my ever patient wife, but it was worth it!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Best Junk Yard Find posted by phil on 3/20/2001 at 8:59:57 AM
Way to go Paul. You know what the old saying is, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut some days."

Maybe our wives could start a "support group."

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Best Junk Yard Find posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/20/2001 at 1:53:07 PM
A complete Humber with the awesome fork? Very good. Oh, Alright! An enclosed chaincase too! Hey,you can go back another time and try to buy up the tools.
Im proud of you Phil!

AGE / VALUE:   BIKE posted by: HOTDOG on 3/19/2001 at 10:26:16 AM
I recently found a schwinn ,a Flyin O,and a pucho are any of these bike at one time considered a good bike I reall need to know badly

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIKE posted by Phil on 3/19/2001 at 6:51:25 PM
I may be interested in the flying O and Schwinn, What kind of frames are they?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIKE posted by HOTDOG on 3/20/2001 at 3:43:43 PM
YOU do know these are racing bikes ...The SCHWINN has everything but ,derangerler,brake levers,gear box,and origanol seat.--The FLYIN O is just frame,bars,fork.

SCHWINN ''missing a sticker''VARSITY

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIKE posted by Phil on 3/21/2001 at 7:32:37 AM
What does the flying O have on it for stickers or namebadge? does it say where it is made? Does it have a crank(flying O) What do you want for it(flying O)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIKE posted by MMichael on 3/21/2001 at 11:56:43 AM
Well all it has is PERCISION 10 or FLYIN O for any of the other stickers . It does not have the crank arms and gear but still has the spindle that holds every thing else on.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   BIKE posted by HOTDOG on 3/21/2001 at 4:16:58 PM
tep that is what be on it all ye said

AGE / VALUE:   1972 Raleigh Superbe posted by: Flavio Figliola on 3/19/2001 at 9:58:48 AM
I,ve recently purchased this bike it,s fully acessorized with dynohub front wheel,orignal tires, rims,headlamp, rear light also. has some light surface rust on rack and rear fender has pump mounts, locking forks it,s kelly green color i think it,s been modified has additional three speed thumb shifter(Shimano)derailer also (Shimano) with cable but is not working.What could be it,s true value if it was in mint shape. did Raligh ever use shimano componetry on their bicycles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1972 Raleigh Superbe posted by Warren on 3/19/2001 at 5:06:59 PM
I think I answered this a couple of days ago...look down the list a bit. And no, I'm quite certain Raleigh never equipped Superbes or most anything out of England, with Shimano. Bite your tongue.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1972 Raleigh Superbe posted by Ed on 3/19/2001 at 7:15:58 PM
I have a 70s era Raleigh,which has cycle co of America on the head badge instead of Nottingham England,which is found on English made Raleighs.Mine has a 3 speed Shamino hub. I've been told that it was probably made in the far east Specifically for import into the U.S.Dispite some differences,its a good copy of the British version.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1972 Raleigh Superbe posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/20/2001 at 2:21:51 PM
A 70's era Sports would have been made there in Nottingham and assembled here in the states. The rear wheel has been switched I would guess. Maybe I am wrong. Would have to see a photo.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1972 Raleigh Superbe posted by Warren on 3/20/2001 at 6:15:20 PM
Raleigh sold many bikes for corporate rebranding around the world. I have three examples of Raleigh bikes rebranded for the Canadian market that are 100% Raleigh parts except the 28 " roadsters which always have 622 mm rims instead of the 635mm wheels. Anyway, I should think that a Superbe from the 70's with the Nottingham badge would have to be all SA. There was a generation of 5 speed Sports models sold here with derailleurs and 26 x 1 1/4 wheels but even then the hubs were SA and the gears were Huret...just like the 5 speed Sprites, (without the internal hub of course).
Just my 2 cents of course.

WANTED:   FENDERS FOR 27" WHEELS posted by: Robert on 3/19/2001 at 9:44:06 AM
It appears Wald has dropped the 27" fender from their list.
I would like to find a source for some reasonably priced fenders for 27" wheels. Chrome would be ok .Ones that needed paint alright also.


MISC:   EBAY AUCTION posted by: Bruce on 3/18/2001 at 7:05:25 PM
Wow! That Raleigh Superbe went for $1,136.11

   RE:MISC:   EBAY AUCTION posted by Norman on 3/19/2001 at 7:32:04 PM
What a sum for a true DL-1 Tourist in pristine condition!!!

There's another DL-1 Tourist on Ebay with full gearcase,
bid starts a $1.00. Gonna be interesting to see how much it fetches compared to the last bid.

   RE:RE:MISC:   EBAY AUCTION posted by phil on 3/20/2001 at 12:23:55 PM
That bike that went for (I can't even say it, gulp) over $1000 was actually a Sports, not a DL1. But it had rod brakes. I have a disassembled ladies Sports with rod brakes dating to 1952, but certainly not as nice as the bike that sold.

   RE:MISC:   EBAY AUCTION posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/20/2001 at 1:55:49 PM
"I think Chris may have some smelling salts in the medicine cabinet. He's out cold." This I have to see.

   RE:RE:MISC:   EBAY AUCTION posted by ChristopherRobin2starmail.com on 3/20/2001 at 2:56:47 PM
I wish the seller said what size wheel it is. Looks like a 26 inch wheel model with the dynothree or dynofour speed hub. May all the Choppers you find be 10 speeds.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SC3 hub for sale/trade posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 3/18/2001 at 5:34:23 PM
Am willing to sacrifice my SC3 hub for trade. D.o.m. '76, good mechanical shape and appearance. 36 spoke drilling, 20 tooth sprocket, black plastic oiler cap. Comes with indicator chain, n.o.s. gear cable (white) and serviceable 3 speed trigger. What I need is a full chaincase for 26'' wheel Raleigh Superbe. Any offers? E-mail to jane&edward@telus.net

MISC:   Ebay auction posted by: phil on 3/18/2001 at 10:46:17 AM
Last week I posted a link to an ebay action, a really nice bike.


It's up to $375 with 7 hours to go. Wow.

One of you guys in the bidding on this? Should I be quiet?

Nice bike. I really love the Sports, even more than the DL1.

   RE:MISC:   Ebay auction posted by WIngs on 3/18/2001 at 9:52:58 PM
Phil, I checed it earlier today also.
I could not believe the price when I checked it tonight!
$1136.11, Wow. There will be another one just as good next to a trash can someday or in a Thrift Store for $49.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Ebay auction posted by phil on 3/20/2001 at 9:05:16 AM
Could this be true I asked myself as I saw the final price? Seriously could any of these bikes be worth that much?

Looking at the bid history, there were two bidders left after the price topped $600, and they drove each other up to the $1136 final. Now that was a nice looking bike, but could even a 1960 "in the box" be worth that much?

OK, confess, which one of you guys has money to burn?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Ebay auction posted by Wings on 3/20/2001 at 7:44:24 PM
If you noticed the times of the last two bidders -- they waited to the end. Perhaps one of them had a high bid (unknown) but they were fighting it out with very little time left.
Emotional appeal! The bike triggered some fond memory! All the normal prices go out the window when that happens!

AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by: mongrel monger on 3/18/2001 at 8:50:24 AM
Will the Shimano 3-speed shifter work with a Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub and will a Sturmey Archer shifter work with a Shimano 3-speed hub? I expect the answer is yes to both or not to both. Thanks in advance, yon sages of the 3-speed!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Keith on 3/18/2001 at 10:35:08 AM
Never tried it BUT I've seen conflicting reports here on whether a Shimano trigger will work with an SA AW. Someone out there who has both (I don't) could settle the question once and for all by setting up a simple test to measure the amount of cable travel under load for both shifters. The problem I see is that while it may work, if the cable travel isn't really right, then you risk slipping out of gear, which will happen when you least expect it, and most frequently when you're tired, standing up, and going up a hill.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Albert on 3/18/2001 at 11:20:10 AM
Keith, you must be slipping. I thought you read all of my postings in eager anticipation of offering your sophmoric Psychology 101 analysis of my character, motivation, lack of sensitivity or what-ever. Never-the less I quite glade to be able to provide you with an opportunity to project your self-loathing onto another. Be that as it may, I will repeat a posting I entered a month or so ago: The SHimano and SA shift quadrants will work on the other's hub. All that need be done is to "graft on" to the cable end the appropriate barrel adjuster. I do this routinely by using a disgarded brake pinch bolt.Frequently the hole must be reamed out a bit to accomadate the cables. Cheers! 'Eagerly awaiting your usual inane reply.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Albert on 3/18/2001 at 11:23:52 AM
Keith, I just read your reply to my posting on the TCW. Thank you for your fairness.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Keith on 3/18/2001 at 1:30:28 PM
You're welcome. For what it's worth, I have nothing inane to say about your use of Shimano stuff with SA. I think it's a good thing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Dale Oswald on 3/21/2001 at 9:53:35 AM
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Shimano cable movement is 5mm per shift, SA moves <5mm for 1-2 shift, >7mm for 2-3 shift. Once tried to use a Bendix Stick Shift on a Shimano hub, could only get it to work in two of three (unless you held the lever down in first).

My false teeth (due to AW misadjustment) advise you to use the right shifter.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Albert on 3/21/2001 at 12:33:32 PM
Empirical evidence would seem to suggest that your are wrong, wrong, wrong. I have made many conversions using both combinations and they have all worked perfectly! I would like to hear about any ACTUAL attempt you've made.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Albert on 3/21/2001 at 4:06:10 PM
Dale, I am truely sorry to hear about the dental problem caused by the misadjustment of your AW;but, I'm pleased that you mentioned it as it underscores what I have been saying about that hub. Also, can I correctly assume that your incident occured when you were using a SA shifter?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano hub w/Sturmey shifters? posted by Albert on 3/22/2001 at 8:09:43 AM
Dale, I've given your comments more thought. The Shimano hub is shifted by a cable through a lever while the SA is not. This may account for the ultimat compatability of the two shifters.Cheers.