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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Norman bicycle posted by: Jeff on 4/21/2001 at 1:55:36 PM
I have just acquired a Norman bicycle. It appeares to be a Phillips made bike.The chainguard,handbrake levers ,and pedals are like the ones on a phillips. The head badge says The Norman, Ashford England. The chainwheel "spokes" are the heads of knights wearing chainmale and a helmet.The rear hub is dated 54. Can any one give me any history on the Norman bicycle?

Thanks, Jeff

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman bicycle posted by Peter Hällström on 4/22/2001 at 8:06:24 AM
Hi Jeff, I dont know very much about Norman bicycles as Im more interested in there motorcycles from the early fifties but I know that Norman started of as a local blacksmith in Ashford in the twenties and then moved on to bicycles, in the end of the thirties they started making Autocycles for Rudge and also started their own motorcycle program. It all ended in 1962 when they where sold to Raleigh.
You can find some more information on: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/Norman.htm and at this very moment there is a club starting up in the UK for Norman enthusiests and information on this you can fin on: http://www.casey88.fsnet.co.uk/NormanCycles/ .
I am locking for a Norman Roadster with rod brakes from the early fifties at the moment but I dont think they where ever imported to Sweden where I live but Im going to the UK this summer and I hope to find one for my self then.
Regards Peter

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman bicycle posted by Peter Hällström on 4/22/2001 at 8:11:20 AM
Hi again,
I forgott to tell you that they produced about 5000 bicycles and about 110 motorcycles a week when they where at their best. /Peter

AGE / VALUE:   1971 Raleigh Superbe posted by: Flavio Figliola on 4/20/2001 at 11:25:24 PM
For Sale this bike is in good condition, its a kelly green color all original the crank set been altered who ever owned it before me, and the chain guard is missing if anyone's interested i will send a picture my price is $300 but will negotiate a little.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 Raleigh Superbe posted by Dale Oswald on 4/23/2001 at 9:43:11 AM
So if a '71 with non-stock crank and no chainguard is worth 300, how much is my '69 with good paint, working GH6, B66 and Cyclo 2X add-on worth? I even have one serviceable Red Dot and the fork key... Anyway, I'm just curious, mine isn't for sale.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 Raleigh Superbe posted by I~m not usually this Cynical on 4/26/2001 at 7:52:09 AM
Let's hope Flavius means lire.

AGE / VALUE:   Hercumatic shifter "cam busters" decal posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/19/2001 at 4:30:15 PM
This latest Hercules Hercumatic shifter has a tiny decal on the face of the shifter in mustard yellow that says "cam busters" There were more than one type of Hercumatic shifter I guess.

FOR SALE:   Early '70's gents Hercules posted by: Jim on 4/19/2001 at 8:29:14 AM
Very good condition, totally original with the exception of the rear reflector. Raleigh Industries B line Hercules(stamping on AW hub is faint & unreadable)with the flat, rear brake arch. Excellent rider, needs nothing (although softer grips and a more esthetically pleasing saddle might be nice). Photos can be seen on Reader's Web page "Retrocycycles". $110 + shipping from NJ

   RE:FOR SALE:   Early '70's gents Hercules posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/19/2001 at 4:39:47 PM
This has the better chainguard. It is large and kinda flat. I met a lady about town who would never sell her Hercules. She had it all polished and if only all these bikes had owners like her. I have one of these in candy apple red with this chainguard.

AGE / VALUE:   Your home made rickshaw posted by: sam on 4/19/2001 at 7:20:55 AM
I've tryed a couple of times to build a sidecar for a bike.So far I've succfully eleminated a lot of things that don't work.Your Rickshaw thing has got me drawing plans in my head and talking to myself again.People come in pairs--how much do they weigh.How will the tongue connect to the bike--will it let the bike lean.What's the right weight distribution for the wheels and tongue......I got this old rusty M/W frame in the shed.I'm going to try again to build the sidecar...this time I'll get it right--sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Your home made rickshaw posted by Wings on 4/19/2001 at 10:37:22 PM
Someday I would also like to build a side car. Please share more as you consider the options and make decisions. Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   3 speed roadsters posted by: Gary on 4/18/2001 at 8:19:42 PM
I have a 68 Columbia Sports 3, a Raleigh 3sp several american models, and 2 of those Sears/Italian made 3 speeds.

AGE / VALUE:    "PINK LADY" posted by: Tom on 4/18/2001 at 1:32:10 PM
What can anyone tell me about "PINK LADY" bicycles....might anyone have an interest in this bike?

AGE / VALUE:   German crank cotter parts for sale posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2001 at 4:32:44 PM
German crank cotter parts. Anybody need some of these? These are little steel pellets, not like a cotter pin. I have never seen these before and I have no experience yet with German cranks but I have a whole drawer full.

AGE / VALUE:   LOOK AT WHAT I GOT posted by: Tweety on 4/17/2001 at 12:21:52 PM
I have a SCHWINN VARSITY,a SCHWINN CONTENETAL,and a FLYIN O.The SCHWINN's are complete bikes.Everything still works are these worth fixing up like paint new parts maybe.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   LOOK AT WHAT I GOT posted by Tom Findley on 4/19/2001 at 5:22:30 AM
The Varsity and Continental are worth $25 each. If you have them repainted and decaled, the cost will be over $200 each. Then they will be worth $40 each. There is a gap here.These bikes can be found at Goodwill and garage sales for $10-$50 in perfect condition.

Now after knowing that, why did I put new stainless steel spokes, cables, brake pads, tires, on a Schwinn Sports Tourer for about $100? I also bought a new Brooks ($65)seat for it, and touchup spray paint at $15 a can. Would someone give a psychiatric evaluation for doing this?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LOOK AT WHAT I GOT posted by Dale Oswald on 4/19/2001 at 7:18:40 AM
It's your hobby, man. If you enjoyed doing the work and enjoy the finished product, good for you.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:LOOK AT WHAT I GOT posted by Mike Stone on 4/19/2001 at 12:00:46 PM
Tom, what you did makes good sense. True value often exceeds market value.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by: Art on 4/17/2001 at 8:18:17 AM
I just unpacked a really wonderful bike. I was looking for an English roadster to add to my fleet when a friend found a bike offered for sale on the net in some out of the way, non bike site. I contacted the owner and this is what I got. In 1938 the owner, who was 16, and his brother were offered the choice between sharing a jalopy or each getting their own bikes. The brothers opted for bikes and the owner got a Raleigh Golden Arrow. It has 26x11/4 tires on Dunlop rims. It has an AB 8 SA rear hub with drum brake and a SA front hub with drum brake. It has a Brooks saddle and carradice. Raleigh cottered crank, stem, and amazingly curved mustache bars with Raleigh brake levers. This bike has been ridden a lot but it really has a lot of character and charm. It has Blummel fenders, the original Brittania fenders being replaced 20 years ago, he still had the one original rear fender in good shape. Detachable light that fits on the Raleigh stem holder, original tools, including a Dunlop tin for fixing flats. Just a very cool, one owner, original bike. Here's where I need your help. Parts that I need to find or replace are 1. Grips (what kind, style?) 2. Fennders (any chance I can find any Brittanias?) 3. Cable and cable housing (I just unpacked this so I haven't really studied the cables. He sent original paperwork with so I might find something in there. Is this the kind of cable material that VVVintage sells? 4. a 16" English pump (any condition) Any leads would be appreciated. (I'll try Hilary Stone and Peter Brown for Eng parts) One last opinion needed. I want to ride this bike, the owner was still riding it when he sent it to me. The only mechanical flaw at the moment seems to be the mustache bars are crooked. Probably not so crooked that I can't ride it but I'd like to straighten them out. Should I? Is it unwise to mess with something that old? I'll never be able to find a set like them. How should I do it if I'd going to do it? I've straightened bars before, but none this rare. Any suggestions. Thanks. Art

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by sam on 4/17/2001 at 9:48:13 AM
O WOW - O WOW - O WOW . First that great Hercules frame stright from England now this!!What's next!!!I'll bet Christoper has photos of this.There has been some discussion on the tires of this type lately,seems they are getting hard to come by.Someone posted that schwinn sold a tire that workes for this size--also I would say yes it's unwise to try to straghten the bars but that never stops me from trying.So my tip is to pack the bars with sand before you try.plug the ends and pack the sand really tight.this might keep them from a sudden fold when pressure is applied.---I like days that start like this--sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by Warren on 4/17/2001 at 1:52:49 PM
Me too on the wow thing...I don't know what you mean by Britannia fenders, but i had heard of one other Golden Arrow that had a spear-pointed front fender. I think it was Sheldon who had mentioned it. I would keep the moustache bar for posterity and maybe replace it with one from Rivendale, although it would be alloy. A flakey bar is not to be trifled with.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2001 at 3:13:19 PM
I have exploded(phantom diagrams) of the Golden Arrow.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2001 at 4:28:26 PM
I'll bet these are Dunlop Special Stainless Steel Lightweight 26 X 1 1/4 The Golden Arrow had these rims. They're wonderful, hard to find rims. The newer (current) Carridice bags are diffrent material (nylon) Brittania fenders are hens teeth. Blumels are appropriate for it but Brittania is the real thing. Is this Blumels rear mudguard(fender) alloy? They made these in alloy. Are the brake levers alloy GB? I'll bet they are.The Blumels fenders you have are worth saving, What color are they? What size is this frame? You did very, very well. Enjoy

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2001 at 4:31:37 PM
Handlebar grips could be any one of a small number of types. Mine are "Shockstop" in thick black rubber.
Hilary Stone has been selling some goodies recently, I would ask him to look out for you.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by Art on 4/17/2001 at 8:44:39 PM
The frame is 21", the rims are as you described, Christopher, as is the mudguard flap. I talked to Sheldon Brown about this bike and he said the bars probably were of the North Road style. Peter send me a picture and they aren't North Roads. From his picture the Horth Roads appear to be flat in the center where they attach to the stem. On my they drop down rapidly from the center point. Thje best way to describe them is from the front they look like early track,six day racer bars. From the top they have the characteristic curved mustche look. They are interesting. My main local advisor, Leon the bike man, said he could try it, but you never know what could happen. For the time being, I'm going to get it riding. Maybe I could just shorten my arm an inch or two. (Here's a hint: my parents died a number of years ago. When my birthday comes around, I buy something special for myself and tell myself it's from them. It works, and my wife always indulges me. This bike was a gift from my parents. Hah!)

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/18/2001 at 9:52:51 AM
I'll bet if Sheldon saw a photo he would be able to tell you at once without a doubt. I can send you some copied sheets out of My Thomson Brown Brothers catalog of handlebars and then you would know. There were a lot of patterns, named after racers.

AGE / VALUE:   Need a "Hercules-India" left block pedal posted by: dave on 4/16/2001 at 4:48:04 PM
This will go on my just acquired Hercules rod brake, 28" wheel bike. I am also looking for
information on the age of this bike and the history of the Made in India Hercules.

Here are the details on the bike (it was hanging in the rafters of the LBS and I swapped a
bunch 'o bikes for it): Serial # AF4161 on the left side of the seat tube (also
there is a "1" abovel the AF on the serial number). Headbadge says Hercules Made in India.
Bike is black with red pin striping, 24" seat tube. On the downtube it
says H I Popular, one decal on seat tube says "Finest Quality Steel Throughout",
below that is a decal with a picture of Hercules with a shield with the H
in it and again says Guaranteed Finest Quality Steel, Hercules India,
Made by T I Cycles (?? ...this is hard to read) of India, Madras.
Chainring spells out Hercules, stem says Hercules India, back hub
is NOT SA but says A Type 9, Hercules - 3 speed - Made in England.
Trigger shifter is a Her-cu-Matic Gear Control, does not have a full
chainguard but large hockey stick type. Has a H lamp bracket.
Front hub has a lubrication hole and says HW Pattern, Made in England.
Tires still hold air, back says Made in India, front is a Goodyear USA.
Front rims says British Standard Rim, Made in India. Saddle (not in good
shape) has a front spring out front in the vertical plane and two in
back in the horizontal plane, leather has come loose in front and logo
on the saddle says Superior/USA/Made in India. Paint on the frame is
okay, less so on the fenders, decal on rear fender is unreadable.
Has the kickstand attached to the rear hub that lifts the bike off
the ground, has very rusty luggage rack.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need a posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 5:15:11 PM
Cool! I knew that Hercules was made in India, they still are! I did not ever hear about a Hercules rear hub that went beyond the label B- type four, Until now. Does this have a threaded driver? Hercules used threaded drivers(what the gear cog goes on) long after Sturmey Archer went to the three splined system. The Hercumatic gear control lever is old, they discontinued it years ago. The H lamp bracket is gone today, also Goodyear stoped making cycle tires in the 1960's. A mixture of parts but still origonal. Finding a pedal should not be to difficult. The bug a boo is the made in India part. Those rims are great rims. Still made today.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need a posted by Keith on 4/17/2001 at 6:19:36 AM
A local importer has a rickshaw bike from India that they park in front of their shop to attract attention. The owner told me it cost a couple $1000. There is a U.S. Company that makes pedicabs, and has a site on the web. Their is also Rhodes that makes pedal cars -- they may also be the ones who make the pedicabs, not sure. My wife wants a pedal powered car, as well as a sociable tandem.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Need a posted by dave on 4/17/2001 at 7:34:23 AM
I assume it is a threaded driver, but haven't had a chance to start taking the bike apart yet for a good cleaning. I looked a bit on the web and found out that TI Cycles was founded in Madras in 1949 as a joint venture between Tube Investements of the UK and a local Madras firm. A sign on the bike in the shop said it was pre-war but clearly that's wrong.
The web search also turned up an article saying that Amartya Sen, the recent Nobel laureate in Economics was donating his 1944 Phillips to the Nobel Museum in Stockholm. Apparently each Nobel winner is asked to donate two personal items to the museum. The article went on to say that Hercules of India was giving him a new bike to replace it.

Any other ideas on dating the bike based on the hub or shifter?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need a posted by sam on 4/17/2001 at 9:24:05 AM
Go down the page to the topic "Indian bike URL" and it will give you a site to the india hercules.Check it out---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need a posted by sam on 4/17/2001 at 10:20:28 AM
Dave,I had to go look for it,I have one new saddle made in India(eastman)If needed.Cost is $6 plus shipping--sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need a posted by Dan on 4/18/2001 at 8:24:46 AM
Some cool cargo trikes at http://www.organic engines.com
Pedicab models too. I rode one, and I liked it.
There's nothing like hauling a pair of people and have them chat and enjoy themselves. Do cabbies feel this way?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need a posted by Dan on 4/18/2001 at 8:26:21 AM
That's: www.organicengines.com

No space except between my ears!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Need a posted by dave on 4/18/2001 at 11:28:23 AM
Sam ... I emailed you off list about the saddle.

Anyone have a source for Hercules decals?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Need a posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/18/2001 at 5:16:10 PM
Nick Tithecloth at "Nick at LLoyds" do a search, check out his huge site. I call him the "god of cycle transfers"

AGE / VALUE:   Rear reflectors on E-bay posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 4:22:28 PM
Our friend in Nicossea is offering more cool stuff! E- bay item #1134729360 N.O.S. Rear Reflectors Raleigh Bicycle Sports These look great, the rubber is really white. I wish I found them in this shape locally. Flag mascots for Chopper too!
No relation to seller,not my auction, e.t.c.

AGE / VALUE:   Homemade rickshaw? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 3:36:45 PM
I read the book "Chasing Rickshaws" before bedtime and now today I awoke with this crazy desire to make my own. The rickshaw bug has bit me, but good! Something huge, with a covered canopee, something power assisted perhaps? Maybe not? really lightweight with disc brakes and a differental? A mini -aluminum mobile home only way smaller on a bike chassis? Something aerodynamic? A heater in it? Tv? radio? No may be not. How big can I go with it? not too big I know. I awoke at 4:21 am saying Yes! A homemade rickshaw! There is a lot to read on the subject too. One of the other books is like 734 pages too. Gotta order that other book! This is gonna be cool.

I never could get into the lowrider thing. I have back issues of bike publications for ideas and I am gonna ponder this and do sketches and ask my pals and look for materials.
Think Chris! The guys at work are gonna throw choclate pudding at me again but I'm gonna bring it up at lunch anyway.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Homemade rickshaw? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 4:21:58 PM
If you see this cool store that you keep meaning to stop in to see, I advise to get in there and not put it off. There was this cool hippie dude that made the neatest kids bicycle- toys and then he closed up one day and was gone. They were homemade wagons. Perhaps he went back to the 60's He wasn't from around here. I never got in there, I blew it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Homemade rickshaw? posted by Keith on 4/17/2001 at 6:21:43 AM
Oops. My response is two posts above.

AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 3:16:17 PM
Noticing the lady carrying all the bags of groceries, I wondered why she didn't have a bike. Then I got to wondering why a modern day Cycletruck isn't sold. Raleigh , Phillips, a few other British companies made them and of course Schwinn did. But what about today? I like Worksman, but I'm thinking something lighter and perhaps cheaper. You know! A lightweight bike with the same style huge basket that is attached to the frame and easy to steer. Priced right for city folk carrying groceries home. She was dropping the oranges in the middle of the street and the light changed on her. The cheap plastic bags rip and she was walking awkwardly after buying too much. Good thing I had a box in the back seat.
What happened to the cycletruck? People still need something like it. Pashley? Are they still making a cycletruck type bike? Pashley is tops in quality but they aren't sold in area shops.

Am I nuts to wonder this? I remember the lady with the packing tape dispenser- gun thingy she was using to wrap the stuff onto the rack. She was cold and impolite until I saw her again and gave her a huge rack I wasn't using, I gave her the thing and she looked at me like I was a god. Why walk when you can ride a bike anyway? I see people walking and I ask Why don't you get a bike? I remember what Sheldon told us about the hiking with the Raleigh Twenty folding bike. Smart fellow, that Sheldon, ahead of his time too.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by mikeq on 4/16/2001 at 5:07:53 PM
Pashley makes a variety of cycle trucks. They now have a dealer in the U.S. Some outfit in Raleigh N.C. Can't remember the name. Haven't had a lot of luck getting anything out of them anyway, so I deal directly with the factory.

The Center for Appropriate Transportation in Eugene, Oregon, also makes cycle trucks. Phone is 541-343-5568.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by Keith on 4/17/2001 at 6:16:48 AM
Century Cycles of Cleveland Ohio also imports Pashleys. 440-356-5705 Ask for Scott Cowan, the owner.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by Keith on 4/17/2001 at 6:28:27 AM
P.S. CHRISTOPHER! There is a bike book you MUST get -- it has a whole chapter on modern European and U.S. load carrying bikes -- it's enCycleopedia (Overlook Press 1997) a UK publication. Specialized load carrying bikes are still being made by Everton Smith of Denmark, Human-Powered Machines of the U.S., Main Street Pedicabs of the U.S., The Seat of the Pants Co., of the UK, Transport of Germany, Christiana Bikes of Denmark, Valdenaire of France, and of course Pashley of the UK. Email me if you want phone numbers or addresses.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by jj on 4/17/2001 at 6:35:53 AM
I strongly believe there is a growing market for more human-powered transportation in the US. Rising gas prices, declining employment, and a distressed environment will lead to more people transporting their goods and themselves under their own power. This will also be good for people's general mental and physical health, too.

So, when will we start seeing cycletruck style bicycles in Walmart and your local bike shop?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by Keith on 4/17/2001 at 6:45:37 AM
CR -- go to www.pedicab.com for example. I'd love this -- cab for people and/or huge loads. And where did all the pedal ice cream trucks go?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by Keith on 4/17/2001 at 6:55:23 AM
Also www.rhoadescar.com

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Updated lightweight Cycletruck? posted by Michaelw on 4/18/2001 at 4:18:18 PM
The BROX is a load-carrying sort of recumbent.
Pashley make the (UK) Post Office bike. The latest version is 26"MTB wheeled.
I stumbled on a Dutch bike shope site once, and they still do the whole utility range. Giant are a Dutch co. but their useful bikes are not generally shown in US catalogues.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   26 x 1 3/8 aluminum rims posted by: Sheldon Brown on 4/16/2001 at 1:17:20 PM
AT LAST! The after many months of waiting, the Sun AT18 590 mm/ 26 x 1 3/8 rims have finally arrived! These make a great performance upgrade for your 3-speed. Sorry, 36 hole only.

See: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims.html#590

Sheldon Brown

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   26 x 1 3/8 aluminum rims posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 3:02:41 PM
Now I do not have to pull teeth anymore with the local shops I can just order from you. They really do make a diffrence.
Three cheers for Sheldon Brown!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   26 x 1 3/8 aluminum rims posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2001 at 4:04:36 PM
I have a set of rims in this size only they have the eyelets. they are unique and kinda rare and old. Something racing type stuff in this size and I pulled them out of the attic bowels of this one shop and bought them and I remember one customer saying to the owner "You sold those to him?" like I was unworthy or had the plague. I hate it when people ask "How did YOU get those?" "Where did you find that?" is a bad enough question. Lucky I found them and he didn't.