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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Columbia tourist posted by: Bill on 4/30/2001 at 11:31:45 AM
First question: is a War Era Columbia Sports Tourist considered a Roadster.

Also, mine is also missing the crank cover and handgrips, otherwise seems all there. Is there anyone that would have information or leads on replacements?

Second question: Were Phillips bicycles imported into US, have one coming in from england, they call it a "heavy weight" as it was made for the military in WW2. Has anyone ever owned or found parts for such?

AGE / VALUE:   Old Glider single speed 20's/30's posted by: Tom on 4/29/2001 at 9:08:45 PM
I found an old mens single speed bike at an antique shop in their back shed. The headbadge says GLIDER T EATONS CO. CANADA. A sticker on the seatpost frame says Guaranteed Chromium Plated Made In England. Serial #V12603.The crank is Made in England. The rear hub says R40 England 14. Front hub says HR Pattern Made in England. Both rims are chrome and say Dunlop. The tires are Eatons whitewalls. The seat is a large Olympic 90 38, with 3 coil springs, maybe leather. I couldn't read the other words on the seat, poor lighting. The frame, fenders, handlebars, stem, seat stem, chainguard and pedals are in very good condition.There is very little rust on the bike, with a little work it would look excellent. The antique dealer bought it from the original owner, claims it is from the 20's. Does anyone have any information to help me date this bike, lots of English parts on it. It's a keeper. I also have a ladies bike from the same guy on the middleweights discussion.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Old Glider single speed 20's/30's posted by Warren on 4/30/2001 at 6:43:14 AM
I believe that the early Gliders were a from a Glider Factory. At some point, they stopped making them, but continued to rebadge and market Raleighs as Gliders. You would see the Raleigh emblem on various components it it was one of this generation. Yours is likely an early model. Does it have an L shaped seatpost? The front hub could be Hercules. Anyway, I'd love to see a pic of it when you get one.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Old Glider single speed 20's/30's posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/30/2001 at 3:20:21 PM
I recently married a ton of mudguards and some of these are are white 28 inch steel and they have a decal on the rear that say Glider, Eatons of Canada. These are not the Raleigh pattern mudguards but are peaked and are diffrent. I have never seen a Eatons of Canada or a Glider bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Glider single speed 20's/30's posted by Tom on 4/30/2001 at 4:27:33 PM
When I get some pictures of this bike I will post them or email them to anyone who wants them. It is a beautiful bike as is or it could be restored. I am not sure which way I will go. There were so many single speed Glider bikes in the 60's in Manitoba. Eatons had catalogs sent to most households and everyone ordered bikes from them. I hope to get the bike home today or tomorrow. I will keep you guys posted with updates.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Glider single speed 20's/30's posted by Tom on 5/1/2001 at 2:17:55 PM
Would you like to sell some of the mud guards? Do you have pictures of them that you could email me?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Glider single speed 20's/30's posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/2/2001 at 11:45:41 AM
I think it is past time that I buy a digital scanner.

AGE / VALUE:   Philco New Lion 3 Speed posted by: Tom on 4/29/2001 at 8:02:13 PM
I've recently taken interest and possession of what appears to be a New Lion bicycle. It's rideable, but had quite a bit of rust. Only thing recogniseable are the '68 Sturmey Archer AB 3 speed drum brake set of hubs. I don't know the history or whether this has just been pieced together or not. Frame has a number "5487" on the seat tube, just above the top tube. The chain guard says "Made by T.H.L." No fender or paniers. Anyone know anything about this bike?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philco New Lion 3 Speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/30/2001 at 3:21:58 PM
I have run across Philco brakes before never seen a Philco badged bike before. Interesting.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philco New Lion 3 Speed posted by Tom on 5/1/2001 at 12:44:56 PM
The decals appear to be original - there is one on the top tube that says "Made by Philco". The headtube badge doesn't mention Philco, but has a relief Lion with a statement of "Renowned Around the World" or something similar. The decal on the downtube is of a sword with a ribbon winding back and forth and says something about "True Temper Steel". There is additionally a decal on the seat tube that has the words "New Lion" and in small writing "Made by Philco". I haven't been able to find anything out about this bike, much less about Philco, except that they made TV's and such - if it's the same company. The bike's frame is black with heavy lugs.

MISC:   Restoration of Rudge posted by: John A. Carnahan on 4/29/2001 at 12:53:30 PM
My wife has a vintage (1940's)Rudge bicycle which was a gift to her when she was about 12. It's in bad shape and unridable, but, I think, restorable. She has a fond attachment to it and I would like to make a gift to her of her treasured bike restored to its original beauty. Where can I go to have a competent restoration done? We live in Columbus, Ohio, USA, but Im willing to travel substantial distances to have a good job done. Thanks!

   RE:MISC:   Restoration of Rudge posted by Brenna on 6/7/2001 at 11:18:57 AM
I wish you luck in getting your Rudge restored.
I understand your wife's feelings of attachment to it.
I rescued a Rudge of about the same vintage from my great uncle's attic that had belonged to my father's cousin. It really was in bad shape. The brakes and hand grips were long gone, one of the pedals was bent and the tires - if they were original - had cracked to pieces. These were one speed basic models that could take a beating. My dad's cousin rode it around the family farm, over very lousy roads. The frame is heavy but tough. The leather Brooks seat was a bit cracked but otherwise in great shape. I got it home and temporarily put a 10-speed brake on it. After trying it out, despite its wonkiness I realized it was a GREAT bike. I took it to a shop that does good repairs on most types of bikes and had better (not vintage) brakes installed, had the hub opened (they had a hell of a time apparently)and regreased, they tried to replace the pedal but it was too hard to get off or something and besides - I hadn't wanted them to do that - the pedal pads say Rudge on them. They had to replace part of the head stock because it had completely rusted out, but I got them to save all original parts, in the hopes that one day I may be able to restore this bike to its former humble but sturdy glory. No luck yet on the restoration, in fact the rear fender (both were still on the bike but badly rusted) collapsed and buckled about a year ago. Still after about 15 years of my abusing the bike around town, it is better than ever. I love the hand emblem on the crank.
Unless you've been able to find someone in your neck of the woods who really loves to restore bikes, you may be on your own.
There must be more of them around. I've only run into one other person who had a Rudge - but I haven't tried hard and it only occured to me recently to see what was out on the web and there is not all that much, relatively speaking.
What sort of shape is your bike really in?
Does it have gears?
Does it still have a seat?
Fenders? Mudguard? Light?
Giving it a good cleaning and lube may set many of its problems right. If you ask around at local bike shops you may find a mechanic who would be willing to have a go at it for you. Some really get a charge out of working on old bikes. Stress that you don't want any parts removed or replaced without your okay. And be sure to keep any old or worn parts that may need to be replaced to make the bike rideable - if that's your goal. If this bike is anything like the one I have, a little TLC will go a long way.
I'd love to see a photo of it - before and after!


Brenna MacCrimmon

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sports 3 posted by: Gary on 4/28/2001 at 7:23:55 PM
I have a pretty nice looking and all original, :except seat}
Raleigh Sports 3. seems to have all origianl bolts, etc. intact. Pretty impressive machine. new tires, good brakes. White, with rattle-can touch-up, still looks real nice. only thing i see wrong is the Rear Rim is Dented. Seems like every 3speed i find has a bent rim. Says Made in England on top tube. Raleigh Logo all over it, most bolts, and every large peice. The Chainwheel is a series of Raleigh logos. has the Raleigh fork with the pipe sideways at the top. Also i have the Ladies model, in better shape, with a Brooks saddle. That one is an alloy frame, and they make a nice pair. Will be happy to lace a new rim on the mens if you provide one, or i will find one, but mine may not be exact.

AGE / VALUE:   The click, click, click that saved my tail! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/28/2001 at 11:55:22 AM
I would not have known the guy was behind me if it was not for those clicking pawls in his bike's A.W. hub. (He was on a Raleigh Sports.) In the S.W. hub there is no sprung pawls to make noise, in fact the thing is dead silent. I wonder how many pedistrians have turned into the path of a cyclist because they did not hear the bike coming.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The click, click, click that saved my tail! posted by Oscar on 4/28/2001 at 4:25:51 PM
I know I've spooked some folks when I've ridden a fixed gear bike. The only noise is the whirr of the rubber against the pavement.

Derailleur noise is quite loud when being passed. An AW click is nice, and kind of soothing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The click, click, click that saved my tail! posted by Fred on 4/28/2001 at 9:00:18 PM
We were riding in a large group on Longboat Key which is a barrier island off Sarasota FL. My wife and I approached a senior couple from behind and after we passed, we heard the lady say very politely, "you should say two passing on the left please". Somewhat chagrined, we thanked her and took to heart her advice on future rides. We subsequently saw signs that said city ordinance xxx, requires a bell on all bikes.

A couple of years ago we stopped for a day of biking on Jeckyl Island GA. As we approached a lone female walker from the rear I sounded an electronic beeper before passing. As I passed her the lady, a forebidingly large, dour faced person, stopped, turned around, and gave me a look that lowered my temperature a few degrees. Sometimes you can't win. After much experience riding on trails used by skaters, joggers, as well as cyclists, we have bells or signal devices on all our bikes.

   Hell's bells posted by Oscar on 4/30/2001 at 7:35:59 AM
Bells are getting more popular on the path. Some people are out of control on them. One guy regularly rings to everyone he encounters, even when out of the way and going in a different direction. I was shadowing two bike club types who were ringing to each other for miles. Morse code?

   RE:Hell's bells posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/30/2001 at 3:28:41 PM
I bought a huge bulb- type rickshaw squeze horn from a lady who bought it in India 50 years ago. It will wake the dead it is so loud! People ask "Where did you find that?"
A bell shouldn't be overdone just let them know you're behind them. (I won't mention the episode with the wet cement)

   RE:RE:Hell's bells & bulb horns posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 5/1/2001 at 8:46:04 AM
We now carry blub horns. They are all steel and rubber, you can see them near the bottom of our "Bicycles/Parts for sale" page.

VVVintage Vintage Bicycles

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh America Sports posted by: Scott Smith on 4/28/2001 at 1:42:10 AM
I have absolutely no knowledge of English 3 roadsters but I saw a Raleigh America Sport in a thrift store and wondered about it. It was maroon with "Raleigh" on the seat stay caps. Were these early '80's ? And were they any good? Also, what are people's opinions on the Chinese Forever rod brake bikes that one can buy new? The handlebars seem to hit my knees when turning and they seem a little fragile. Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh America Sports posted by Cal on 4/30/2001 at 5:57:55 AM
You'll find a 2 digit date code on the rear hub. These are classic, comfortable bicycles and they are bullet-proof. I'd take an old Raleigh Sports over the new Chinese Forever bikes any day.

AGE / VALUE:   hawthorne hercules posted by: Tiffany on 4/27/2001 at 11:02:33 PM
I bought a Hawthorne ('Montgomery Wards' ) Hercules Women's bike at a thrift store a few weekends ago. I love the bike and don't care about the value, but I'd like to know the age. Judging by verbal descriptions of the Montgomey Wards nameplate I'd guess it was from the late 40's.

It does not have a plate covering the chain or a tank.

The serial number is 60990 (with the letters 'VA' underneath.) I've exhausted my web resources trying to track this down. Can anybody help me with this?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   hawthorne hercules posted by JOEL on 5/1/2001 at 2:29:42 PM
I have a book that covers these bikes. Zap me a picture and I'll see what I can dig up.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by: Ben McCoy on 4/27/2001 at 12:51:38 PM
Please be on the lookout for a 1956 Humber Sports, as follows:

21" Men's frame, black
Two-tube fork
Raleigh-pattern rims
Full chain case
Cable brakes
Modern Greenfield kickstand
Modern foam handgrips
New Schwinn tires
Good condition (good chrome, antique patina, no rust on frame or fenders, decals mostly readable)

Reward offered.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by ChristopherRobin on 4/28/2001 at 8:32:19 AM
Where was this taken from?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by Oscar on 4/28/2001 at 10:23:04 AM
From what I heard from police officers, stolen bikes don't usually get too far. Probably the scum who pinched it doesn't know what a nice machine he sleazed off you. Where was it stolen from?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by Ben on 4/30/2001 at 2:22:33 PM
It was pilfered from my garage in Riverside, IL, just west of Chicago. I am wondering why they took this one, seeing that there was a completely new Colnago Super/Campy SR right next to it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 5/1/2001 at 8:48:53 AM
This is a good time to remind everyone to keep an updated list of the serial numbers of all of your bicycles. It *might* help you recover your bike one day.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by Oscar on 5/1/2001 at 11:52:12 AM

I'm in Chicago, keeping my eyes and ears open. I cruise resale shops and swap meets.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stolen Humber posted by Ben on 5/1/2001 at 1:22:01 PM
Oscar, you're a godsend. I am calling all the surrounding PDs and checking to see what they have recovered. You can reach me at work 630-242-3206.

MISC:   Brown Brothers CDs sample page posted by: Bruce Robbins on 4/27/2001 at 12:31:09 PM
Hi folks,

Many thanks to those of you who have ordered Brown Brothers
CDs and helped make this a useful exercise.

For those others who have yet to see the light :), I've had a page made up so that you can sample the delights of these 1939 and 1952 catalogues.

It's at:


The sample page about Osgears actually enlarges in your browser to about A3 when you view it on the CD without breaking up so you can read all the detail.

If anyone has a particular interest or requires information about any specific bicycle part available in the UK during the catalogue years, please email me and I'll see if I can email you a jpeg to show what's available.

In the meantime, have a quick look at the web page.

Happy reading!


AGE / VALUE:   Where are all the chaincase parts? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/27/2001 at 11:32:11 AM
Why am I seeing so many English bicycles with the enclosed chainguard missing parts? Why is it so difficult for owners to keep this thing together? The Humber on E- bay is missing the pie plate, the slide piece, the end cap piece and probably the two inner slides. It's a double fork model with 26 inch wheels in a lovely blue.
These things were made to fit in and were held with screws and the pie plate has to be pried off to remove. It is not like an ASmerican Balook tired bike where the kids took off the tanks and fenders so why do these turn up missing chaincase parts?

FOR SALE:   NOS Raleigh pattern brake cables posted by: Warren on 4/27/2001 at 7:48:16 AM
I found a source for the older Raleigh pattern cables for Sports bikes, front brake only. These have silver/grey sheathing, mounting hardware and have cable stops at both ends. With a little modification, they with also work on a Philco/Philite vintage front brake as well.
$10 plus shipping from Toronto. Contact me off list for pics, further info, etc

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ladies Hercules posted by: Mark on 4/27/2001 at 3:35:33 AM
I would like to know what things to look for to determine the age of a Ladies Hercules rod brake bike. The only identification I've found is a serial number. The numbers 1137ZM or 1137ZH are stamped on the top left side of the seat post down tube. The bike is black with a fully enclosed chain case. It has 26" wheels with a three speed hub that is not SA. The rear wheel mounts by sliding in the back. The badge looks to be brass with a red and white enamalized center. I found her at a garage sale and the owner said his brother, who was the previous owner, thought that it may have been a 20s or 30s vintage. The shape is like that of a Raleigh Tourist (item # 1138468510) on E-bay with the curved tubed frame. It has a Wright leather saddle. With the exception of the black paint being oxidized and a bit of the pin stipe and decals being faded, she seems to be all there and original. Any information or direction on this bike would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark

AGE / VALUE:   Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/26/2001 at 2:22:52 PM
While sorting thru a huge box of parts I now have, I lifted up the box on top and noticed about 500 cotter pins. I finally checked these to see if I could use them in the Raleigh cranks. After all, these were not the thinner French ones so why not?( Oh I have French cotter pins, Do I) "Well, forget it!" I said to myself. These came from Canada and they must be to a childs bike or a diffrent kind of cottered bottombracket set up. Something Canadian no doubt. Maybe obsolete Polish parts? That would be my luck! The pin just slides all the way through the hole!! Unbelievable. This is not the first time I have cursed Canadian parts. I am going to label these and keep them. Someday somebody will need these. I have never seen these before and that is odd. All those old wooden boxes filled with stuff. I had to race to keep it from going into landfill, it was hard work.
If I knew then what I know now? Oh boy!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by Warren on 4/27/2001 at 12:26:40 PM
HeY Chris...don't fret! Put a caliper on those pins and get a measurement. Maybe they're Italian...I think they are 9.5 mm as opposed to the 10mm english. There ought to be a market with the lightweight guys...or maybe VVVintage would buy em and sell em. BTW I've tried to email you a couple of times and your mailbox is full. Must be nice to be so popular, eh? And just pack up all those damnable canadian parts and send them my way, OK? (grin)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 4/28/2001 at 8:34:45 AM
Try again and don't forget the 2 it is: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by Steve on 4/29/2001 at 10:39:36 PM
Actually, the English 3 speeds use 9.5 mm cotter pins in the cranks. (So do a number of other cranks such as the cottered Stronglight cranks on my early 70's Super Course and some Dutch bikes with cottered cranks).
Evidently, yours must be smaller than 9.5 mm.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/30/2001 at 3:32:01 PM
They are not long and thin like French cotter pins, perhaps they are a diffrent make of French pins or something else.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by gary on 5/1/2001 at 8:49:21 PM
that style tapered locking pin has been used in machines and industry since the turn of the century. could be made for anything from auto kingpins to washing machines.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Useless, obsolete, unknown manufacturer and I fell for it. posted by gary on 5/1/2001 at 8:49:28 PM
that style tapered locking pin has been used in machines and industry since the turn of the century. could be made for anything from auto kingpins to washing machines.

WANTED:   Info on WWII Bikes, German posted by: thetoyking on 4/26/2001 at 11:04:54 AM
I am looking for info on German bicycles used in WWII. I would like to recreate one. The pictures that I have seen appear to be rod brake style bikes. Any info, websites, books would help me. Suggestion on a bike to convert to an army bike would be helpful. Thanks!!!!

   RE:WANTED:   Info on WWII Bikes, German posted by Art on 4/26/2001 at 2:38:54 PM
There is a fellow named Gerald on the Bicycle Trader website who collects German parts and bikes. He might know something.