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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   What happened to the old lion? posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/25/2001 at 8:16:18 AM
Take a look at this strange Phillips, the badge looks wierd!
e-bay item#1441678874 Vintage Philco 3 speed
Wasn't Philco a part of Phillips? A shortened version of Phillips Co? Philco made bicycle brakes, this is the same company years later?

If it is a later day Phillips, the fact that it is so tacky makes it interesting. Is this made by some other company and they were trying to come close to the look of a real Phillips perhaps. I don't think this is a Raleigh made bike but I'm not sure.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I did it! posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 6/24/2001 at 8:04:42 PM
I finally got my FG hub back together and it even works! Thanks for the help, Bill P.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Oil / petrol mix for RM6 raleigh roadster posted by: ed on 6/23/2001 at 4:15:01 PM
What is the oil/ fuel mix for a 1963 RM6 Raleigh Roadster?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Oil / petrol mix for RM6 raleigh roadster posted by Wings on 6/29/2001 at 11:26:19 PM
If you must use modern unleaded, then go to a good auto store and purchase an additive so that she gets ETHYL!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Oil / petrol mix for RM6 raleigh roadster posted by Warren on 6/26/2001 at 7:39:06 PM
I've been waiting patiently for someone to answer with something like..."4 to 1, straight 30 unless you've got leaded petrol in which case it's 3 to1".

Sorry Ed...I don't get the question. Whadda-u-mean?

MISC:   Art Smith please reply posted by: Albert on 6/23/2001 at 10:00:24 AM
Art Smith of Phoenix AZ please email a response. When I offered a '50's Williams crankset free to someone who could make use of it, you responded by e-mailing your address. I mailed the crank to that address on 6/15. Today, the post office returned the package with it marked "no such address". What's going-on here? Was this a mistake on your part or mine in getting the address confused or am I the victim of some jerk?

   RE:MISC:   Art Smith please reply posted by Warren on 6/23/2001 at 1:35:15 PM
I've sent a package to Art in Phoenix and it got there.
He is not a jerk.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Art Smith please reply posted by Albert on 6/23/2001 at 2:33:10 PM
Warren, I am pleased tyo hear that there really is an Art Smith. I thought I was the victim of a hoax; this is not entirely unheard of on the web. Perhaps you could e-mail me his address?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Art Smith please reply posted by Art on 6/23/2001 at 4:43:12 PM
Albert, I'm really not a jerk and I really do exist. And I really do want the Williams cranks. I will e-mail you at home. Thanks Warren for defending my honor. Art

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Why aren't the Indian-made roadsters imported here? posted by: Ben on 6/22/2001 at 5:33:41 AM
Does anyone know why this is? Or, better yet, am I wrong, and someone in the states IS selling these?

Thanks in advance,


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Why aren't the Indian-made roadsters imported here? posted by dave on 6/22/2001 at 6:54:06 AM
I believe Yellow Jersey in Madison WI imports the Neelam India-made rod brake bike. No relation to seller, etc ...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Why aren't the Indian-made roadsters imported here? posted by sam on 6/22/2001 at 9:56:45 AM
There single speed bikes--most of the rod brake bikes used world wide use only 1-speed hubs,these bikes are used for work under hard conditions - gears are a luxary .You can order one across the boarder at laredo cost is around $80 fully loaded-but then you would have to wait for it to arrive,just too much trouble

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quality concerns posted by Kevin C. on 6/23/2001 at 4:23:52 AM
A couple of years ago there were a lot of postings here about the poor quality of the rod brake roadsters imported from India. They were often major and safety-related: cranks bending, threads stripping, improperly welded joints, things that would be difficult to fix. My advice: buy an old Raleigh, the real thing. It will probably be cheaper, safer and a lot less aggravating.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wonderful studded 28 inch tires posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/23/2001 at 9:58:31 AM
I am very happy with the 28 X 1 1 /2 studded tires from Mexico that fit on my Raleigh DL1 Tourist. It's like the buffet bar on Sunday morning, knowing what's good, what's not.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Why aren't the Indian-made roadsters imported here? posted by Mark on 6/25/2001 at 6:17:16 PM
Yo! Been away a looooonnnngggg time. Listen: some Indian roadsters may very well be OK, but the one I bought was a piece of junk! Bent forks, dented chain case, rust, rust, rust, the chrome on the smaller parts was flash chromed, and the steel underneath corroded the "chrome" very baddly. pedals broke, seat was mildewed beyond reason, brakes were completely non functional due to a major design flaw, ad nauseum. Get this: the springs in the saddle weren't really springs. I sat on the bike the first time, and ploosh! The "springs" completely sacked! WOW. I learned my lesson on that one. I wouldn't want another for anything.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Why aren't the Indian-made roadsters imported here? posted by Norman F. Birnberg on 6/25/2001 at 11:18:30 PM
One of the Indian companies on the web appears to have replacement unobtanium Raleigh parts like tyres, handlebars, stems, forks, and enclosed chaincases available. A pity there's no real way to order the spare parts.

MISC:   NO TAKERS FOR FREE RALEIGH posted by: Albert on 6/21/2001 at 7:15:28 PM
My offer posted on 6/16 has not received a single response! What do you make or that?

   RE:MISC:   NO TAKERS FOR FREE RALEIGH posted by WIngs on 6/21/2001 at 10:55:49 PM
Perhaps it could be that the vast majority of us do not live near you. (Didn't you indicate no shipping?) I think you made a generous offer which is very kind. However, one could not make anything of it unless it was known where we all lived. One thing is for sure: Your offer is generous.

   RE:MISC:   NO TAKERS FOR FREE RALEIGH posted by Ben on 6/22/2001 at 5:07:17 AM
Yes, I'd take them if you were willing to take them to a shop to be shipped...let me know the shipping amount.

   RE:RE:MISC:   NO TAKERS FOR FREE RALEIGH posted by Albert on 6/22/2001 at 12:39:26 PM
Ben, the shipping costs would about 80-dollars-- you could buy them locally for less. And then again, I would have to p repare and box them. There are some 5-million in the Philadelphia mteropolitain area and I reasoned that of the several in that area who read this page, at least one would take me up on the offer; none did. I will attempt to sell the usable cycle for about 25-dollars locally; this seems to be the prevailing price.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Wings on 6/20/2001 at 9:27:10 PM
I purchased a Schwinn, womens 3 speed today for $10. I purchased it for parts -- but the more I looked at it, I knew it was old! Serial # B57193 on Left fork which puts it as a 1952, 1953 or a 1957. The license indicates 1963. I bought it for a great speedometer mounted on the handlebar. I also noticed the unusual trigger for the 3 speed. It says: "Schwinn Approved 3 Speed" and shifts by moving a peg to one of three holes!!! It is chrome and shifts great!!! Now, the 3 speed hub shifts to 3 wide gear ratios. It says: "Schwinn Approved, Austria" on the hub and nothing more! There is an oil cap on the far left side (not center) of the hub. It looks like a Sturmey Archer but is not labeled SA. I think the bike is a ladies racer, but can anybody give me more information on the unusual shifter and the 3 Speed hub?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Cal on 6/21/2001 at 5:49:38 AM
That shifter preceeded Schwinn's "Speedy Shift", which was simply a re-badged Strumey-Archer trigger. Maybe Schwinn gave up on the peg-and-holes design?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/21/2001 at 10:33:09 AM
The rear 3 speed hub is an out of patent A.W.clone made by Steyr or Steyria- Daimler Puch. The hub shell is diffrent but the inside is an A.W.exactly. They only copied the common A.W.three speed and the Steyr hub shell was never offered in alloy. The shifter you mention is diffrent but if it is not as easy to replace the cable wire control then that may be one reason we don't see to many of these. The Sturmey Archer shifter pulls back and you insert the new cable in and downward then you push the shifter forward andyou screw the little metal collar piece and then you hook it up and adjust it at the hub end.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Wings on 6/21/2001 at 12:08:17 PM
Thanks Cal and Christopher for the comments.
Christopher, I was expecting a comment from you! Thanks!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Robert N on 6/27/2001 at 5:40:15 PM
My sister had an early to mid 60's J.C. Higgins with the shift tfigger you describe. You had to depress the trigger to disengage the gear and then push the trigger to the desired position. The oil port on the AW hub had a spring loaded metal cap.

MISC:   Raleigh front light/Miller rear on ebay posted by: Dave N. on 6/20/2001 at 8:33:50 PM
If anyone is interested, I've just posted on ebay a Raleigh front light (60's?) and a Miller rear light, both for use with a generator set. Here are the URL's for each:



Please e-mail me if you have any questions. Thanks,


AGE / VALUE:   1971 triumph mens bike--value? posted by: nic weathersbee on 6/20/2001 at 6:03:07 PM
i have a 1971 triumph and I am interested in it's value. it is in excellent condition

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 triumph mens bike--value? posted by Geoff on 6/21/2001 at 10:51:45 AM
I sold a 1971 men's Triumph, in excellent condition, last May at a British car meet. It sold for $65, and that was only because the fellow who bought it owned a Triumph car. Old 3-speeds aren't that valuable unless they are mint Raleighs or really unusual, in my experience.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 triumph mens bike--value? posted by Kevin on 6/22/2001 at 4:55:50 AM
I disagree. $65 was too cheap for a Triumph in excellent condition. Motorcycle people collect them, too. Plus they are great riding machines.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 triumph mens bike--value? posted by nic weathersbee on 6/22/2001 at 5:13:44 AM
thanks you guys---i agree with Kevin, the metal triumph logo on the bike is worth $65 to some people!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 triumph mens bike--value? posted by Geoff on 7/1/2001 at 9:14:48 PM
You guys may be right about the value. I see a lot of people offering advice about the value of old English 3-speeds on this list, although sometimes I wonder: do these folks actually sell bikes, or do they speak in terms of the theoretical value of them? If my old 3-speeds are worth much more than $65 for B-grade machines, well, tell me how many you want and where to ship them. I have Dunelts, Triumphs, a Hercules, a Humber, and even some overpriced Raleighs for sale, all for less than folks seem to think they are worth. But I actually advertise these bikes, and occasionally sell one. Does anybody else? I know a local bike shop that has a lot of 3-speeds for sale, all well over $100. They even have a DL-1 for $500. But they never seem to sell any; the stock seems the same each time I visit. Maybe $65 for the Triumph was too cheap, but I sold it to a fellow who will treasure it, and I am pleased with that sum. Had it been a 1950's Raleigh in the same condition, I do believe it would have been worth double that amount or more. But it wasn't.
Best to all, and keep those old Brits alive! And find me some 28" rims for my big Dunelt, somebody.

FOR SALE:   S/A AB Drumbrake hub for sale NOS posted by: Peter Hällström on 6/20/2001 at 12:30:17 PM
I have a NOS S/A AB 3-speed drumbrake hub thats made in June 1948 in its original S/A box for sale. All wires and levers are missing but it comes with an original tool "1425" and some frame clamps, one with a litle wire wheel. I will enclose one TCW hub made in August 1961.
The price is US$ 100 + shipping from Sweden. / Peter

AGE / VALUE:   Enclosed chaincase equiped Sports/ E- bay item#1157734192 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/19/2001 at 11:06:16 AM
Ok, Who left my bike out in the rain? E -bay item #1157734192 Raleigh Sports bicycle with dynohub.
After I stop crying and wipe the tears away I can take a good look and decide what parts are salvagable.
First, the flatglass Sturmey Archer headlamp with it's silver coated reflector.(these have the nicest warm glow) The enclosed chainguard, seat, seat post,cranks, bottom bracket spindle, and a few other parts are usable. The rims and fenders and the paintwork is toast. The enclosed chainguard has the small, serrated edged, oil cap on the undented looking enclosed chainguard.

I like the mention of other bikes coming from the same archeological site, check out his web address he gives and / or other things he offers.
No relation to seller, not my auction, and it is good to see it ressurected from the "site" and offered for sale for parts.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Enclosed chaincase equiped Sports/ E- bay item#1157734192 posted by Ed on 6/20/2001 at 8:22:19 PM
High bid now $96.00. I wish that I could spend about eight hours with that bike. I believe that a little soap and water,fine steel wool,quality metal polish,cleaning compound,and good polish applied with lots of vigar might bring the bids up to 150.00or 175.00.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Enclosed chaincase equiped Sports/ E- bay item#1157734192 posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/26/2001 at 8:34:44 AM
It Ended at $107.50

AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED RALEIGH posted by: MC on 6/18/2001 at 5:25:08 PM
Please help identify this mysterious Raleigh. I cannot find any information on it from any site. It is a standard 10sp that is bright purple with a simple white script "Raleigh" decal on the downtube and 2 stripes on the seat tube. No other markings anywhere on the bike. I'm guessing early-mid 70s because of the early Suntour components and cottered cranks. Help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED RALEIGH posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/18/2001 at 5:51:30 PM
Retro Raleigh's has a collection of old catalogs online.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED RALEIGH posted by Schwinnderella on 6/19/2001 at 6:51:06 PM
Not much to go on but my guess would be a Rapide. Check the headtube to look for evidence of a small Rapide decal.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED RALEIGH posted by Dale Oswald on 6/22/2001 at 8:38:23 AM
Could be a pre-'73 Competition with parts replaced. Does it have pretty lugs? 531 sticker? The original would have been Simplex and Weinmann equipped.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   UNIDENTIFIED RALEIGH posted by MC on 6/22/2001 at 5:27:31 PM
Probably not, Dale. The lugs are plain and there's no 531 stickers anywhere unless they have peeled off. It's a Nottingham Raleigh with orig Suntour components and Nervar cottered cranks. Vibrant purple. Your guess.

AGE / VALUE:   Interesting Sears Advertisement posted by: sam on 6/18/2001 at 9:33:57 AM
While looking for info on L/Ws of ww-2 in the book Colectable Elgins,sears and wards by Hurd&Gordan I saw that the 1955 J.C.higgins L/W import from England cane with S/A 3-speed,full chain case,pump,box light,rear carrier with tool box on the side,and BOW PEDALS!Never saw bow pedals on a roadester before.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting Sears Advertisement posted by BillG on 6/20/2001 at 9:07:36 AM
Raleigh made a deluxe bow pedal.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   How do you remove a chainguard? posted by: Mike Stone on 6/17/2001 at 6:13:23 AM
How do you remove a fully enclosed chain guard? Actually, I am writing about an Italian Bianchi chainguard, but they seem the same as the old British roadsters.

It seems the parts are press fitted or something. I don't see any screws or other fasters.

I want to clean and regrease the bottom bracket, but can't figure out how to get the chain guard off.

Looking forward to your suggestions,

Mike Stone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   How do you remove a chainguard? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/17/2001 at 10:25:55 AM
If it is not really essential to remove it, I would leave it in place. You should be able to remove the one adjustible cup and remove the spindle and clean out the fixed cup and regrease and install new ball bearings and put it back together. If you are not careful in getting the chaincase back in the right aligned position then it can rattle and rub and these get dented/ damaged easily. There should be screws somewhere but I don't believe the shops ever removed these to change chainwheels, or chain or anything else.There should be a round disc that you prise off after removing the sliding piece first.

AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield bike? posted by: Drew on 6/16/2001 at 11:43:50 AM
I'm posting message one more time to find information on Royal Enfield bikes, are they made by the motorcycle Enfield co., when were they sold in the U.S.? I have a "firefly" model, circa 1970, and it's very well made. any Feedback is helpfull. Drew-

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield bike? posted by Brian on 6/16/2001 at 9:37:18 PM
During the 70's I don't think there was any relation to the mc co. I have some "new old stock" bike accessories from the 70's with the Royal Enfield name but they are made in Taiwan.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield bike? posted by Drew on 6/17/2001 at 5:14:08 AM
My bike is made in England, has a cannon logo headbadge, has European components, is a 10 speed & it's very well made. ? ? Drew-

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield bike? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/17/2001 at 10:28:41 AM
Hunt End Books in Redditch, England has the book "Royal Enfield" that you can order from your local bookstore also. It covers what happened to Royal Enfield and it tells more than the usual about the bicycles.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield bike? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/20/2001 at 9:52:35 AM
Tony Hadland has a web site and if you take a moment to find the bicycling section he has an wonderful article on Royal Enfield!Also photos bringing you back thru time into the Royal Enfield factory. It doesn't show your model but do check it out.