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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   HOW MANY HUMBERS WAS BUILT??? posted by: Mario Romano on 7/24/2001 at 5:06:02 PM
I want to know how many Humber bikes with Humber badges was built approximately (not with Raleigh badge). Please, tell me how many bucks one 1946-1954 Humber or Rudge bike values (in good shape with all features). Thanks!

AGE / VALUE:   Enjoying our cycles posted by: Matthew on 7/24/2001 at 2:15:12 PM
I've just spent a weekend amongst friends and our cycles at a steam engine rally (show/exhibition) in Norfolk, UK not VA. There were many different types of machinery on display, 3 Ordinaries, a Crypto Bantam, Trikes by Singer, Premier and others, a Rudge and sidecar, numerous carrier cycles from Pashley, New Hudson, Raliegh and others. My Norwich Rival, and my wife's 1930's Hercules were amongst the younger machines, however our '67 Raleigh RSW 16 was the real baby of the show. Everyone dresses in period costume when we ride around the arena making quite a sight to see. There were 27 bikes being ridden on Saturday and more than that on Sunday. The total on display was over 40 cycles.And as the songs says "...the crack was good". Times like this help me to remember why it is that I spend hours getting grimey, skining my knuckles and freezing in my workshop. I hope it helps others too, and if you come to Merrie England do make it summer time and do get to an Old Tyme rally or Steam Engine Rally where veteran cycles are on display.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Enjoying our cycles posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/25/2001 at 9:18:55 AM
From your description, it sounds neat with a lot of great things to see. A lot of us would have loved to have been there. Are you trying to pull these from your local salvage yard, dump, skip, tip or refuse bin? I hear stories about some really old and neat things being pulled found trash piles. We need you in the field! Keep looking wherever you live, these are being heaved out and are going to waste.

AGE / VALUE:   curious posted by: rickey on 7/24/2001 at 9:37:02 AM
does anyone know about armstrong bicycles late 60s 26"mens 10 speed gold in color nothing on database thanks

AGE / VALUE:   euro-bikes posted by: sam on 7/23/2001 at 8:43:02 PM
Just wanted to share this,Neil H. e=mailed me the coolest photos of the WW2 reinactment scenes at Reading Pa.Seems a lot of history buffs like the german(maybe Dutch)bikes for reinactments of WW2.This opens a new avenue for roadester style bikes--this is something to check out if your in Pa. next June.Or if other groups are having a show near you.Cool photos Neil!---sam

WANTED:   Information wanted about Woodrup Frames posted by: Timothy O~Connor on 7/23/2001 at 7:23:09 PM
I recently acquired an immaculate Woodrup, circa 1982, and I am looking for some background/historical info on the framebuilders. E-mail me if you have any information to share

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh,Space Rider 3 spd. posted by: Penny Martin on 7/23/2001 at 4:00:38 PM
My husband and I purchased this beatiful bike at a yardsale.It is in very good condition,and rideable.We believe from information found on different web sites it is authentic.On the rear hub are the numbers 76 6.Any information and estimated value would be appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh,Space Rider 3 spd. posted by Ben on 7/24/2001 at 1:40:52 PM
I paid $60 for one of these last year - it was in unused condition and I wanted it. I would say most people here would call what I paid a top price.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh,Space Rider 3 spd. posted by Albert on 7/24/2001 at 2:13:54 PM
Penny, what did you believe or hope it to worth before you received Ben's reply?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need help on pricing posted by: Barry Menary on 7/23/2001 at 2:21:15 PM
Hi All,

I seek advice and knowledge about some bikes I am looking at. I am a novice I know nothing about Raleigh's except I owned 2 Gran Prix's new in the late 70's.

I found a bike shop near me in Chicago that an older women runs, her husband passed some years ago and she continues to run the shop. Anyway they used to sell Raleigh's and she has several for sale Brand new, assembled about 20 years ago in the shop. I am seeking your advice on price. These are road bikes, she is asking $350-500, she thinks they are about 1980 models

Gran Prix
Gran Prix model 115, both around 400

Super course (Carlton) around 500

Competition (non Campi) , 400

and a Record and Record (ace) around 400

what do you think about these prices?, keep in mind they are brand new.

Thanks for any assistance

AGE / VALUE:   MKM of Harrogate posted by: Scott Kundla on 7/23/2001 at 12:08:12 PM
I recently bought a used MKM bicycle (Summer 2000). It had old Shimano 600 (aka "old" Ultegra) components, but "Campagnolo" was stamped onto the rear dropouts, so it was probably built for a Campy set-up. The frame is Reynolds 531, and setup as a fixed gear the whole bike weighs 20 lbs.

I bought it from a courier in South Boston for $50, so the history of the bike's ownership is kind of shady.

I believe these bikes were possibly custom built racers, but I'd love to hear from someone who knows more than me about these bikes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MKM of Harrogate posted by Mr. Boombalotti on 7/23/2001 at 12:58:57 PM

AGE / VALUE:   Apollo Cycle Co posted by: Ron on 7/22/2001 at 6:12:46 PM
I saw this english bike today.It has a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub with 55 4 Aw. (april 1955?) The rims are 26x1 3/8 Dunlop ea3. It has a Wrights seat. On the rear frame there is the number B142. The decals and head badge say Apollo Cycle Co Birmingham. The pedals say made in England as does the hubs,rims,and even the bell.My neighbor wants to put it in the trash. Should he? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Ron

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Apollo Cycle Co posted by Paul Aslanides on 7/25/2001 at 3:57:17 AM
Ron: I have a '79 Apollo road bike which was made in Japan. I didn't know that they were originally made in the U.K., if indeed it is the same company, gone offshore. They are fairly common over here, with an extensive dealership. I'd be inclined to slip your neighbour a couple of beers/whatever in exchange for the bike. From a historical,manufacturing point of view, it's an item of interest, even if it is only a garden variety model. Cheers.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Apollo Cycle Co posted by David P. Goncalves on 7/23/2001 at 4:44:24 AM
The time to consign a bicycle is when it has become a total rustbucket, or is damaged beyond repair (Perhaps sledgehammered by a neighbor - lost my first bike that way.) It sounds as if your Apollo is in descent shape - putting it into the refuse bin doesn't sound like the best plan.

As for the value, I can only tell you that such bikes sell for 20 - 30 dollars at my local junk store.

Does it still have the cables? The chain is ok? Is it rideable? If so, I would just give it to one of the local childen, or just put a 'FREE - GOOD BICYCLE' sign in front of it.

Or, if you live in the Boston area, I can take it off of your neighbor's hands.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Can you identify these brakes? posted by: Jim on 7/22/2001 at 6:09:58 PM
Has anyone ever seen these brakes? They look early. Marked Philco Warranteed Made in England Central Pull. Probably a good one for ChristopherRobin. View them at http://www.coconutgirls.com/bikeyard/brake

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Can you identify these brakes? posted by Warren on 7/22/2001 at 8:26:40 PM
The earliest catalogue I've seen with them is 1935. They are essentially brakes designed for fixed gear bikes with no proper drillings or mounts for standard brakes. The rears clamp between the seat stays and the fronts have two fork mounts. They require special double ended cables made by Phillips...good luck finding them. I have three of these brakes...two rears and a front.

By the way, I've never been able to successully load the coconut girls URL. All I get is html code. Does anyone else have this problem and how do I get around this?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Can you identify these brakes? posted by Jim on 7/23/2001 at 3:45:23 AM
Try it here http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mvc-001.jpg

MISC:   7 speed sports posted by: Bruce on 7/22/2001 at 1:18:45 PM
Hi, I'm back again for advice,I really like the simplicity of internal hubs, unfortunately I think I need more gears than the four I currently have, I have taken up riding longer distances this summer and probably should have a 7 speed bike. I am thinking of purchasing a 3 speed and having a 7 speed internal hub installed, is this a wise move or not? And can it be done? I love the Engligh touring bikes, I just need more gears than the 4 I now have. I don't want to add a 7 speed hub to my Superbe as it has a rear dynohub which would ruin the whole bike to my way of thinking. I may end up trading it or selling it, but would need a nice replacement first. Any helpful advice is appreciated. Bruce

   RE:RE:MISC:   7 speed sports posted by Bruce on 7/24/2001 at 10:22:56 AM
Warren & Bill, Thanks for the input, I plan on leaving the superbe the way she is, I would like to figure out a way to get a 7 speed hub on a sports, I wouldn't feel so bad if I somehow screwed it up, the 59 Superbe is okay as is except the paint is somewhat faded, i need to work on that.

   RE:MISC:   7 speed sports posted by Warren on 7/22/2001 at 8:31:59 PM
Yes there will be issues with spacing. A Sports bike has 110 mm spacing and I believe the new Shimano hubs are 135 mm.You may be able to reduce the width of the 7 speed playing with the spacers and then spread the frame enough to accomodate it. Let someone experienced do it if it's a bike you value or get a beater and try it yourself.

   RE:MISC:   7 speed sports posted by Bill Putnam on 7/23/2001 at 10:51:50 AM
As Warren noted, the Shimano hub will require respacing the
drop outs. Also, if the frame was intended for a 3 or 4 speed
sturmey archer hub you may need to file the drop outs as the
opening may be inadequate for the Shimano axle.

One option to retain the classic look of your Superbe is to
install an axle set from a Sturmey S5, S5.1, or S5.2 five
speed hub. This will give 5 nicely spaced ratios and you
can use the rest of your hub as is. I have an NOS S5
axle set that I would be willing to trade for the four
speed axle set out of your hub if you are interested,
assuming your axle set is in good condition.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Simplex conversion kit posted by: Steve B on 7/22/2001 at 12:07:26 PM
I recently came across a conversion kit to add speeds to a Sturmey Archer hub. The info I have in an old Raleigh service manual shows a cyclo kit to make a 6 or 9 speed. This kit has the cyclo coggs for the hub, and a Simplex deraillieur as well as a simplex front rod changer. There's no info in the bag, so I have a few questions.
1) Is this kit original, or has someone added the cyclo cogs to a simplex setup.
2) If it's original, about when did raleigh switch to cyclo? my literature is from the late 60's-70's.
3) Also if it's original, what cranks/ rings would be appropriate?

I have a 57 Raleigh sports I'm thinking of putting the setup on, but the bike needs paint etc, and the setup seems to be NOS or a takeoff. I wouldn't feel right opening an NOS set if it isn't right for the bike, since I may have some used stuff available too. If the parts would be appropriate for the late 50's it wold make the decision much easier.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Simplex conversion kit posted by Paul Aslanides on 7/25/2001 at 5:45:22 AM
Steve, to try to answer your questions:
1 & 2 - It's probably an original, after-market accessory kit. Raleigh probably never did switch to Cyclo. I doubt that Raleigh ever used any item from a company which they didn't own, except tyres.
3 - There are gear charts on the web so that you can work out what chainrings to use. See Sheldon's site.
You will need a threaded driver on your S.A. hub to screw the cluster onto. Could be hard to find. Close ratio gear clusters are more rare that wide ratio ones. Talk about research and development - the Brits didn't have the nous to
market a hybrid gear - it took Sachs to do it, with the 2 X 6 hub (2 spd. hub gear with 6 cogs), and now the very successful 3 X 7 (likewise), easily expanded to 3 X 8/9.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Simplex conversion kit posted by Paul Aslanides on 7/28/2001 at 6:24:05 PM
Thanks, Dale. I wasn't aware of this adaptor. I assume it takes the same circlip to secure it to the driver?
I saw some Cyclo products just two or three years ago at a Bike show, and noted that some of their bike tools haven't changed at all in 40 or 50 years. It's just so much easier to buy Hozan, Lifu, Shimano, etc tools at 'most any bike shop. It's a wonder that Cyclo don't make some of their conversion kits available again, reproductions, for retro-fitting. Wouldn't we have fun! Hey - there's a new book out
on derailleur gears, might have something about Cyclo in it. I haven't read it yet, and it's already out of print, so unless there is another print run ... " The Dancing Chain", by Frank Berto, Ron Shepherd, and one other gent whose name I've forgotten. Cheers.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Simplex conversion kit posted by Dale Oswald on 7/27/2001 at 9:31:07 AM
You don't necessarily need a threaded driver. Cyclo made conversion units with an adapter; the inside fit a splined driver and the outside fit two threaded sprockets -- I can confirm this, I own one. I reckon they also made a triple, but don't know this for a fact.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Simplex conversion kit posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/2/2001 at 10:58:20 AM
Cyclo made a triple with the three splined system. I own two of these. Try Cyclart in Vista, California.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Strumey Archer rebuilt questions posted by: Robert on 7/22/2001 at 11:51:36 AM
What parts should be replaced in the Sturmey Archer hubs if you have them open? i am talking about what parts are considered expendable. Should you always replace the pawl springs? Or if it all looks good after a cleaning , then you just button it up and go?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Strumey Archer rebuilt questions posted by Jeff on 7/23/2001 at 10:30:42 AM
pawls, pawl springs and planet ring

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Strumey Archer rebuilt questions posted by Bill Putnam on 7/23/2001 at 11:03:32 AM
A careful inspection of the internals of the hub will usually
give an indication of what needs replacing. Other common
items along with pawl springs etc. above are the clutch and planet
pinion pins. Occasionally teeth of gears will be broken,
axles bent, and so on.

Be cautious with replacement parts. I have seen many replacement
pawls and clutches that are not as well made as original
parts from older hubs. These replacement parts were
genuine Sturmey Archer, but at some point the manufacturing
techniques changed and quality suffered.

Manuals are on line at http://www.toehead.demon.co.uk/stmain.htm

MISC:   The "new" Brooks company posted by: Brian Hayes on 7/22/2001 at 11:09:42 AM
Has anyone had experience with the new Brooks saddles? I just bought a B17 straight from England (the exchange rate is good, now - less than $50 including shipping from St. John Street Cycles). This is my first B17 and my first from the "new" Brooks company. The break-in period was all of 5 miles; super comfortable and bone dents already formed. I'm wondering, though, if this bodes ill for long term durability. Anyone have similar experience. Are B17s that much quicker to break in than others?


   Brooks posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/23/2001 at 8:39:25 AM
Brooks is now independant of Sturmey- Archer. Same company, in the same place, run by the same dedicated people. If you are unhappy with something about it then return it to where you bought it or send it back to Brooks. They are still the finest leather saddles in the world.

   RE:MISC:   The posted by Keith on 7/23/2001 at 10:41:34 AM
Every Brooks I've ever used, with the exception of the Professional model, was comfortable right out of the box, and although they do break in (get dimples where your sit bones go) they give better support than contemporary saddles right off the bat.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 7/22/2001 at 6:35:23 AM
WOW! What a weekend! I found a rod brake Raleigh Friday, and I spent Friday night and Saturday in New York City where I saw lots, and lots of english bicycles. Rudges, Raleighs, Dunelts, a really nice Humber, and others. There must be literally thousands of them. I saw several rod brake DL-1's, one in almost new condition. I'm stunned, and I'm goin' back!
My ladies DL-1 (?) that i found actually Friday looks like it will be a rreal nice bike with only a little work. I put a trigger on it, pumped up the tyres, and she rides beautifully, even if she doesn't look so hot right now.
Did anyone ever find a source for rims???

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Ben on 7/22/2001 at 10:40:34 AM
Mark, could you send me your email address? I am looking for something....