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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey S3C vs AWC posted by: Mike P on 10/17/2002 at 1:12:21 AM
Other than age, any significant differences? Need to have a rear wheel built, and haven't decided whether to reuse the original S3C or go with a new AWC. Thanks a lot.

AGE / VALUE:Ending the season with a D- in scrounging old bikes posted by: Christopher on 10/17/2002 at 12:46:54 AM
It was a bike!, the first bike I see at the kerb in over a year.(This is how crappy a job I have been doing finding bikes)
Anyways, it's a Raleigh Reliant mixte frame in blue. Rampar R on down tube and made in Taiwan.
It was really, really shoddy and heavy and the finish was terrible. 1970's somewhere in there. I pulled off the Raleigh alloy double chainring, rear derailer, clamps, wheel reflectors for the screws and white plastic reflector holders as these go on the D.L.1.
looking it over I was appalled and amazed. The pedals were so junky. Terrible.
When I think of all the nice Raleighs and then this monster comes along and wears that wonderful badge!
It's being donated to a pal for further part uses. The alloy hubs look nice but these are garbage too. I dunno, they spin nice but have no value. I put these hubs inside a frame at both ends for shipping purposes after wheels are removed and sent in a seperate box. That's the only use for these but I will check e- bay just to be sure because today, you never know.
Rummage sale yeilded a 10.00 Schwinn Continental with a Sprint derailer and if not for those metal jocky wheels I would have left it. No leather seat anything, no three speeds, and no Raleigh Choppers probably ever as these sales call in dealers before doors swing open to the public. It's orange and rolled very nicely. One mechanic I know had a cow that I parted out these 60's Schwinn ten speeds but he's gone so no problem.
If I get into something worth keeping intact I would know.

FOR SALE:various items for roadsters posted by: paul on 10/16/2002 at 11:13:19 PM
items postage paid in continental US only. Brooks B72 never used 99%scuff free $45 ($55 with clamp)rear bag to fit same never used $20 (another with minor repair not affecting use $15) thinfaced emergency combination wrenches$5 each(my choice), (8) available($30 buys all) antique adjustable wrenches B&S, no name B&S look-a-like, Girard $25 each $60 buys all three/ beautiful Ideale Racing Saddle brown suede with clamp $60 thank you! paul

AGE / VALUE:50s style chainguards on ebay posted by: sam on 10/16/2002 at 9:58:18 PM
This ebay seller has what looks to be 50s style phillips large hocky stick guards.he has 2 black and 1 chrome.going cheep.(not my action etc)http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=724707806

AGE / VALUE:   Steyr Sport Racer - How old is it? posted by: Dennis P. Roth on 10/16/2002 at 7:17:29 PM
I have a Steyr Sport Racer, made in Austria but
configured like an English three speed sport.
I'm trying to figure out when it was made. I'm
not interested in its value, its just fun to ride
and I'm curious as to when it was made.

The frame is serial number 4616551. The three speed
internal gear hub which I believe is original
equipment is a Shimano '333' stamped with U.S.
Patent 3021728. A seach at the U.S. Patent Office
Web site
shows that the patent was awarded to Keizo Shimano
Feb 20, 1962 so I can't be earlier than that.
Steyr-Daimler-Puch seems to have left the bicycle
business in 1987 but I suspect they stopped making
three speeds under the Steyr name long before that.
Can anyone help me get a tighter range of dates for
this bicycle than 1962 to 1987?

FOR SALE:Sturmey AW hubs, NOS for sale posted by: Michael McGettigan on 10/16/2002 at 12:52:59 AM
Greetings -- we found a cache of New Old Stock AW hubs -- made in Nottingham-- "73" on the hub shell which would make them 29 years old. No shifter, no cog. Just the hub in mint condition. We can supply cogs for $6 (specify 16-22 teeth, and indicator chains for $5. $35 plus $5 to box/ship. Two for $60 and ship'g. 5 for $120 and shipping. Lace up a new wheel or just re-core an old AW hub of same vintage. Mcg takes pay pal etc.
thanks for reading....
Michael McGettigan

   RE:FOR SALE:Sturmey AW hubs, NOS for sale posted by Ian on 10/16/2002 at 8:53:26 AM
Hi, how many spoke holes? And will you ship them overseas? Thanks, Ian.

AGE / VALUE:Patent number searching posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/16/2002 at 12:32:26 AM
It's probably not hard for the rest of you. But I can't figure it out so I ask for help.

How do you take a patent number and pull it up on the web?
The unique and very beautiful Raleigh crankset on my 1948 Raleigh Record Ace machine has a patent number on it and I'd like to pull it up and take a look. How do I do this? Anybody go patent number searching with old British patent numbers on the web?
Hollow axle, and a fixed bottombracket cup of a type never seen before or since. I had a adaptor piece specially made to fit in my Stein tool.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Patent number searching posted by Dennis P. Roth on 10/17/2002 at 2:47:40 AM
Start with this link
Go to the second box titled, "View a patent application"
Fill in the patent number, e.g. GB899408. Add the GB prefix if the number stamped on the part doesn't have it.
Click on go.
If it finds the document, click on the Patent Number to view the document.

AGE / VALUE:I've got the look! posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/16/2002 at 12:15:06 AM
There is a really cool, romantic look to these old British bicycles and the motorcycles. A deep purple-ish-oily black sheen rarely seen. While the Kiwi polish does not exactly add this to the bike the outcome after a good rubbing with Kiwi is awesome. It adds a luscious character or lustre to the bike. Everything looks great except the one Humber and I better go over that again in more detail.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:I've got the look! posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/16/2002 at 2:41:36 PM
Ah, that "look": nothing matches the original black enamel used on these machines. And I've never encountered paint that comes to life even after 50 years of neglect like this stuff. I don't know what Raleigh and others used. Nor do I really know what that "Spra-bonderised" undercoat was or did. It sure is rust-resistant.

And I certainly know of no modern paint replacement. The closest in the US is (or was) Dupont Dulux synthetic auto enamel. I use this extensively in restoring old street cars (trams) at the National Capital Trolley Museum outside of Washington. It was the first such synthetic enamel of its kind. What distinguises it from the newer Dupont products like Emron is that it has that deep lustre without the icky "wet look" of powdered type finishes. I hate that. Looks so cheap and garish. Dulux is even great brush-painted if you use slow drying reducer. I've painted four complete street cars using this method.

Sadly, Dupont ceased production of Dulux this May after some 68 years. You might be lucky to find ready mixed cans of black in some auto stores but since most of this was custom mixed auto colours, it's doubtful.

And that "look" is complimented by the original blue-tinged Rhodesian chrome... but we've waxed poetic about that before.

P.C. Kohler

AGE / VALUE:Humber with red color on badge posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/16/2002 at 12:08:25 AM
This Humber is a 28 inch wheel rod brake bike with the double fork. A rusty-ish restoration canadate. Put alongside the 1970' Dl.1.and the two frames are the same.

The decal badge on the front is strange, the decal has red in it and the badge says Coventry on it.

Another faded decal barely able to be read says:Atwoods Bermuda Model on it. Oval and in gold.

The Kiwi wax did not bring it back,not like other bikes. Too old, too much oxidation.
I intend to re-paint this as soon as I positively nail down the Royal blue color. beautiful badge this one is.

FOR SALE:Raleigh Ad tray posted by: michael k on 10/15/2002 at 10:58:37 PM
For those who are into decorating the Raleigh way...found this tooling around eBay...has a Southeast Asian motif, the bike's parked under a palm tree on the ocean...not my auction, obviously...but I remember the sign that went for, what? almost 2 grand?



AGE / VALUE:Newish SA cables; are they any good? posted by: David Poston on 10/15/2002 at 10:44:37 PM
Included in my massive shipment from cyclesofyesteryear.com were three newish SA cables, the ones that don't have the barrel attached, but must be cut to length. The question is, does the screw/clamp thing work as well as the attached barrel? Are these aftermarket? ones as good as the originals, made specific for each bike?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:Newish SA cables; are they any good? posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/16/2002 at 12:04:15 AM
The best ones are original, with the proper length and with the barrel that is part of it and this barrel swivels about and screws into the indicator rod threads.

The other kind,the one you mention works but is not as convient or good.
You run the wire through the tiny hole in the screw and then you put the washer in and tighten the nut. Set it up before you go cutting or making it permanent. Good luck.
We are lucky to get anything at all in these crazy times.
Very difficult to find these in the shops. Even the Shimano cable you are lucky.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Newish SA cables; are they any good? posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/16/2002 at 12:08:10 AM
David, the "universal" gear cable is for all intents and purposes, a compromise. Instead of making and stocking several length gear cables, only one is needed. Same reason why the wheels went from 40/32 spokes to 36/36. The cables work just as well as the custom sized ones. Downside: They look butt-ugly and may scratch the paintwork. However these cables are ideal to "customize" with the brass tube trick mentioned earlier. Try it when you have a chance, the tubes aren't more than a dollar. I've got some old (long) adusting barrels and a length of tube left, e-mail me if you want them.
Edward in Vancouver

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Newish SA cables; are they any good? posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/16/2002 at 12:49:46 AM
Yes! Save those old adjusting barrels because with the brass tubing trick, you can re- use these. Re-making original cables!
A stretch of Raleigh type ribbed cable recently went up to like $152.00 or something on e- bay, so save every bit of that cable housing. Grey, black, white, whatever.
Edward replaced the spring in a older style trigger. He made the freaking part! He got the trigger shifter apart and made that spring and got it back together and it works wonderfully! I shake my head and grin when I see Ed's posts here. Atta boy Ed! I could not have done that but after reading the story that time I feel more able to attempt it. Save all the old, small, crazy parts off these as you can.

MISC:REPAINTS posted by: Ian on 10/15/2002 at 6:35:09 PM
Hi, I have been reading the recent posts about using Kiwi nugget (great name that!) to restore paintwork but I was wondering what people use these days to repaint those frames that are beyond the nugget treatment. Powdercoating is tough and lasts a long time but it looks too thick and gloosy in my opinion. The original enamel types of paint are hard to get and to use. Any reccomendations?

   RE:MISC:REPAINTS posted by sam on 10/15/2002 at 9:10:21 PM
Check out Mark Smith's phantom project http://www.bunchobikes.com/phantom.htm I sand blast my frames to bare metal,then use 2-part epoxy,I use Dupont top coat with super wet look hardner.This gives a glassy look when dry.I can get this paint in Tex but Mark can't in Cal.because of goverment regs.So you will have to check in your area to see what is avalible.After the frame is dry a sand with 2000 grit wet / dry paper removes the shine.then buff with rubbing compound and polish compound.

AGE / VALUE:Matched Set M/L Raleigh Sports posted by: Michael on 10/15/2002 at 6:19:25 PM
I have a pair of English Raleigh Sports, one Ladies one Mens originally purchased in San Francisco. Three speed Sturmey-Archers, Brooks saddles, bells, rack on men's, all the goodies, even the cute little handlebar bags. What are these worth, and where would be the best place to find an interested party?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Matched Set M/L Raleigh Sports posted by michael on 10/15/2002 at 6:26:04 PM
Oh I forgot, I've ID'd these as 1974 models. Metallic brown in color.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Matched Set M/L Raleigh Sports posted by alonzo on 10/16/2002 at 6:40:40 AM
If you still live in San Francisco, give the folks at American Cyclery a call. They sell vintage three speeds and would know what they go for in the area.

AGE / VALUE:Site mentioning Woods Valves posted by: Chris on 10/15/2002 at 12:24:16 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Site mentioning Woods Valves posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/15/2002 at 11:59:00 PM
Thanks for the info, Chris. Downloaded, printed, and in my "Scrap-book". Now if I can just find a tire repair kit that has those "little rubber thingees"...Mmmm, that sounds like a line out of Monty Python's "Meaning of Life... I'm getting sidetracked again, aren't I...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sprint Commercial, Vintage Bike Rides Thru posted by: michael k on 10/14/2002 at 5:28:21 PM
Anyone catch the Sprint-PCS commercial set in Italy where a guy on a bike glides by right at the start of the commercial, and the bike looks a lot like a Vintage Rudge or Raleigh? Has Rudge or Raleigh fenders...good 'ole Catherine Zeta Jones comes in to save the day, the dilemma is that an Italian female wants an American guy to stay, but he has a dog he has to take care of back home...Anyway, I'd like to try to get the commercial on tape to slow it down to actually see what's being ridden by the couple...anyone see this one yet??