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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   28 inch tires in stock posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 10/25/2002 at 4:19:57 PM
We're now stocking 28 x 1 1/2 roadster tires and tubes.
$18.95 per tire, $4.95 per tube.

See page: http://oldroads.com/fs_tire.html
or click on "Parts for Sale" at the top of this page.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.

   RE:FOR SALE:   28 inch tires in stock posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/25/2002 at 7:28:31 PM

MISC:   RALEIGH'S MISTERY NUMBER posted by: Mario Romano on 10/25/2002 at 3:20:27 PM
Looking backwards of my Raleigh bicycle sprocket disk I discovered an etched inscription with some numbers as:
"EGB 46645 44"
Considering them "mistery numbers", I ask: what's this numbers? I think 44 is the teeth number of the sprocket disk, but the 46645 what is?

   RE:MISC:   RALEIGH'S MISTERY NUMBER posted by Dale on 10/28/2002 at 6:02:20 PM
Raleigh used to use 5-6 digit part numbers...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheels of Progress posted by: P.C. Kohler on 10/25/2002 at 2:04:04 PM
OK, some real progress on the wheel front......

Harvey Russell of Cycles of Yesteryear (UK) has advised me that he has ordered from his Indian supplier new Westrick pattern rims in 26" in 32/40 hole!! These will be chrome-plated; stainless not available. He hopes to have these in stock by January.

Now all that remains is to find new 32/40 Westwoods in 26" and 28"....

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheels of Progress posted by sam on 10/25/2002 at 4:45:05 PM
Do you need 32/40 westwoods in 26"?They will not be for the sports,they are for the 26x1&1/2"

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheels of Progress posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/25/2002 at 5:07:25 PM
No, thanks, Sam, I'm looking for Westwoods in 26 x 1 3/8"

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheels of Progress posted by alonzo on 10/26/2002 at 7:12:00 AM
Seems like a batch of 28" Westwoods in 32/40h should be pretty easy. I bought a pair of 36h rims from Trophy Bikes in Philadelphia a while back. The rims were made in India. Perhaps Harvey would persuade his supplier to do likewise.

Alas, nothing like the real thing. The chrome is already flaking off on my rims.

WANTED:   Info on Rudge Roadsters. posted by: Ian on 10/25/2002 at 8:18:13 AM
Having just acquired a mens Rudge I thought I would turn to the experts for some help on a) How to confirm the year, and b) how to remove the steering lock. Although it has 28" westwood rims it does not have rod brakes instead having a three speed S/A drum brake rear hub which is dated 74. I suspect this may be later than the bike as the frame has bolt in rear stays which I thought would indicte a fairly early one. It also has the small crossbolts through the lugs at the top and bottom of the down tube. Were these to reinforce the join or??? It also has a reasonable sized hex head bolt screwed in to the side of the right hand lower chain stay just behind the bottom bracket (looks almost like an oil filler hole). What was the purpose of this? As for the steering lock I can see the screw inside the fork tube but cannot figure out how to remove the chrome cap on the other side to get at the screw. Is the cap screwed in or just pressed on? I will strip and paint it and build it up as I like it, not neccessarily completely original. I will probably add a drum front brake and a top tube shifter, just because I have them and like them, put on some repro rims and a carrier with saddle bags and have a nice "Go to Work" three speed to let me retire my single speed B.S.A. and save that for the Slow Bike Races. You all should try one of these at your next get together - great fun. Just mark out two or three lanes with cones or ropes 30 to 50 yards (or metres, whichever) long and not too wide. You need one stopwatch per lane and time from when the wheel crosses the start line to when it crosses the finish. Do not time from when you say "Go" as people cheat and do not start immediately! If any part of the bike (other than tyres) or body touch the ground or go outside the lane then disqualify that rider. Does wonders for the balance and brake control. Fixed wheel is good. Anyway, enough rambling, thanks in anticipation for the dozens of replies re the Rudge. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:WANTED:   Info on Rudge Roadsters. posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/25/2002 at 2:47:04 PM
Hmm... I think 'interesting' sums up your machine!

If she has 28" Westwoods, then the bolt-on backstay is not reflective of age, all 28" roadsters were so constructed. Including those that had drum brakes. But am I to gather from your comments that these are activated by rods or by cables? Roadsters certainly had rod-activated drum brakes and the only cable operated brakes on a 28" wheel roadster I've seen are the newish machines in Denmark.

As for the large hex bolt on the chain stay, that sounds as if it's the bolt to secure the chaincase, presumably missing now. All DL-1 type roadsters had this brazed-on fitting with or without the actual bolt. Any oil filler cap would be on the bottom bracket. If your machine has this, then it's pre 1960.

As for taking apart the locking fork, can't help on that. I think the fork crown chrome fitment (the famous Rudge hallmark) is a press fit.

Rudge serial numbers. Also something I don't have data on. Does anyone know if these perchance followed the Raleigh pattern at least after Raleigh assumed Rudge production?? My '49 and '51 Rudges have Raleigh-esque serials with a prefix letter(s) and then numbers.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:WANTED:   Info on Rudge Roadsters. posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/26/2002 at 12:48:51 AM
Ian, on this site you will find a blow-up diagram of fork locks. I believe the lock itself is the same for Raleigh, Rudge, and Humber, but the bikes differ in the placement of the lock. To remove the lock you will first need a key, and these can be at any locksmith, show him a copy of the lock blow-up diagram. When the key is turned, the aluminum bolt is exposed, and this can be twisted out of the lock with a pair of pliars. After removing the chrome fitment, you will find a screw holding the lock to the fork, unscrew this and out pops the lock. There's been alot of discussion about removing the chrome "dimples" from Raleigh forks, and my favorite way is roasting them. Pop the fork in a warm 150 F oven for 20 minutes or so and then drop an icecube or a blast from a co2 cartridge on the chrome part, gently pry it out. This doesn't always work, sometimes it seems the chrome dimples were sledge-hammered in, and sometimes it seems they were just tapped in. As the chrome fitments were "decorative", I guess they weren't manufactured to close tolerances. What colour are you going to paint it?

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Info on Rudge Roadsters. posted by Ian on 10/26/2002 at 8:38:32 PM
Thanks for all the help so far. The bike is definitely meant for 28" wheels, it is not a bitza in that sense. Since posting I have found another rear wheel among the parts that came with the bike. This wheel looks exactly like the front wheel, same type of tyre, same amount of rust etc and I suspect it is the original. It has a "KB36" hub which would indicate a 1936 bike? It too is cable operated drum brake. It is possible that a full chain guard was changed to a hockey stick one, perhaps at the time the rear rim was changed, but the hockey stick one has certainly been on there for a long time judging by the amount of crap behind it and the paint seems to match the bike well although both are well faded and with surface rust. I think I will chicken out on the fork lock as I would never use it anyway. I will definitely paint it black, which it was originally, in this country I am yet to see a 28" roadster in any other colour, It just would not seem right. Well time to get out to the barn and get stuck in. Thanks again.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 10/24/2002 at 1:01:08 PM

Hey wasn't Peter or someone lookin' for these? Well, here ya go bub!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by David Poston on 10/25/2002 at 7:17:12 PM
Yes, I was thinking of "buy it now," but now someone has put in a bid, and I will have to fight it out to the end.


AGE / VALUE:   Item #727127062 posted by: Humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/24/2002 at 12:39:23 AM
E- bay item # 727127062 Pattern top tube shifter
I told you there was something strange and magical about these old British bikes!
Look at that logo! Yipes!
As if the bike itself was not already something wonderful and special.
That trigger is way cool!

Now I'm all currious, like about the origin of the company, what all they made and I'd love to know more. Hilary calls this "pattern parts"
No relation to seller, not my auction.
Watch this fellow's auctions, he is a bonefide 'old bike god' and he has all the real goodies to dazzle the eyes.
The Lucas stop light is AWESOME! I have the article about when it came out. Hilary has the real deal and in the box!

FOR SALE:   Large Update posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 10/23/2002 at 1:38:16 PM
We've added a lot more Vintage Bicycles and Parts to the inventory posted on our site.
Click on "Bicycles for Sale" and "Parts for Sale" at the top of this page.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake Bike posted by: Tom on 10/23/2002 at 6:10:40 AM
I posted a week ago about a Raleigh rod brake bike. Look back 2 pages or so. Any info on the age of this one. Single speed so no Sturmey hub and the serial# does not match the charts. I think this one could be 1930's or older. I have a link to a picture of it. http://www.geocities.com/oldy57bikes/page1.html?1035352207770

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake Bike posted by Mucus on 10/23/2002 at 3:19:48 PM
It doesn't have any chrome which would make me think it was a war time bike, but it has a very old saddle pillar, and that way old fashion chain guard, so I am confused, but I would bet it is from the 20's, early thirties.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake Bike posted by Peter on 10/24/2002 at 8:20:53 AM
Tom - There is an all-black version in my 1940 (I think) export catalogue called the 'All Weather' model. I'll dig out some more info. tonight.
What style of front brake does it have? in the 1930's the front brake shoes were located by springs and levers on braze-on studs on the inside of the fork leg. Later (don't know when) they changed to the clamp-on brackets.
I have a similar machine, 26" frame, clamp-on front brakes, which I have found hard to date by serial number.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake Bike posted by Tom on 10/24/2002 at 11:36:19 AM
The front brake has a clamp on style bracket. The clamps are the only thing it has up front. The other parts are missing. The serial # is just under the seat and is stamped on both sides. 2 different numbers one on each side. Sturmey Archer freewheel but no name on the hubs. Also no metal headbadge but a transfer in its place. The "ALL STEEL BICYCLE" is in block letters on seat post. They are worn off but still shows in the paint. Bike rides nice but needs brakes.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rod Brake Bike posted by Peter on 10/25/2002 at 12:37:50 PM
Tom in my experience the serial number on a Raleigh is stamped on the left side of the seat lug, as you sit on the bike. The other number could be a military, police or Post office number?
I'm going to e-mail you a page from the 1940 catalogue showing the 'All Weather'.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rare BSA on Ebay posted by: Tom on 10/23/2002 at 3:03:16 AM
Here is a very nice BSA bike on ebay. Pete has some very interesting stuff just like Hilary. I would love to have this one but it will be more than I can afford. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=727050740&rd=1

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rare BSA on Ebay posted by Matthew on 10/23/2002 at 8:34:23 PM
These are lovely machines and the current bid is good value. i bought mine for £20 this summer but I need to sort out the derailieur otherwise it is cosmetically as good as the photo's of this one.
PS. not my sale etc etc

AGE / VALUE:   Shifter to spend your money on posted by: sam on 10/23/2002 at 12:15:22 AM

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: mucus on 10/22/2002 at 7:35:22 PM

Well there you go Chris, have at it!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rear rack on e- bay posted by Chris on 10/22/2002 at 8:18:42 PM
Thanks! A bike is not complete without one.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rear rack on e- bay posted by David Poston on 10/22/2002 at 9:19:45 PM
I hope I don't step on anyone's toes by bidding on this one. It's a tough world out there, this e-bay thing.


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rear rack on e- bay posted by Chris on 10/23/2002 at 12:35:01 AM
Go fot it!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rear rack on e- bay posted by Ian on 10/23/2002 at 8:44:43 AM
If it would only stay around the start price that would be a very good buy and his shipping costs worldwide are reasonable also. If my maths are correct, and I have to do a double conversion, 6GBP equals about 9US$ ? I guess I had better start searching all my local squirrel holes to see if I can come up with some of these. A 28" one would be nice too. Regards, Ian.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by David on 10/24/2002 at 5:04:02 PM
If you think Theo might have something you're looking for that's not listed on ebay, just send him an email and ask. I bought a set of bar-end shifters from him - no problem.

AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by: David Poston on 10/22/2002 at 5:59:40 PM
Is that a Popular? It sure looks like the one straight out of my 1938 Raleigh Catalogue.


I'm tempted.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by Mucus on 10/22/2002 at 7:38:13 PM
Hey, that may very well be, although I think it's simply a ladies version of the "DL-1/Tourist". However, it is from the thirties(look at that frame mounted shifter!), and is very nice indeed. GO FOR IT!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/22/2002 at 7:49:41 PM
Looks like a '38-ish Popular (or Dawn) to me, rather than a ladies DL-1. Very similar to my '48 Raleigh Dawn including the gearcase transfer and fittings.

IF you can get replacement 26" Westwood rims (not easy by any means but not impossible) in 32/40 hole, she looks in remarkably restorable condition to me. A 55 gallon drum of polishing compound, 20 balls of copper wool, 2 canisters of Barkeeper's Friend and a dozen tins of black Kiwi shoe polish and.... lots of elbow grease!

$150 "Buy it Now"? Do it David. Besides you have a big garage and my apartment bedroom is already filled with Raleighs and Rudges...

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by David Poston on 10/22/2002 at 9:22:36 PM

What size rims would I need exactly? 26" x 1 3/8"? 26" x 1 1/2"? Harvey Russell lists 36-hole Westwood rims in both of these sizes. Would 36-hole work?

By the way, I found the perfect cycle for you. I'd grab it, but I'm too short. It looks like a Raleigh Popular, very old, fully restored, 26.5" frame!



   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/22/2002 at 9:44:46 PM
Well it LOOKS like 26 x 1 3/8 Westwoods on this baby. Therein lies the problem: the Indian and Chinese knock-off rims Cycles of Yesteryear stock are all 36 hole (front and rear). This makes them worthless unless you are foolish enough to pitch the original hubs (NO!!). We have the same problem with 28" Westwood rims for DL-1s. Lots of back and forth on this site but I have yet to find a ready source for 32 hole (front) and 40 hole (rear) rims period.

Now, I kinda bet Harvey of CoY can find you decent enough original replacement 26" Westwoods for this. They are a lot more common in the UK.

The other avenue is to fudge authenticity and use Westrick rims (the ones used on most Raleighs). But it's not going to look c. 1938 with those.

Me, I think I'm going to write the Dutch rim people and just plain ask the simple bloody question: how many rims are required for them to do a custom order for 32/40 hole 26" and 28" Westwoods. This ain't rocket science. Indeed, maybe the Indians can do the same thing.

Oh, I've seen that great Popular on CoY's website.... how on earth do you even get that thing into a cycle box??

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by David Poston on 10/22/2002 at 10:53:01 PM
Somehow, Harvey picked up a 40-hole westwood rim for my rear AG dynothree hub that's going on my DL-1. At the time, he said he only had one. I don't even know where it's made, but it is brand new. I'll have to go home and take a closer look. He did an excellent job, by the way, and he only charged about 15-20 pounds for spokes and labour. With his excellent service and prices, I think it is actually not terribly expensive to have him rebuild wheels for us and ship it over the big pond. You could have someone do it here, but who knows? They might not do it right. I was reading this article on the web about a fellow in England (no less) who had to repeatedly return his rim b/c they only knew how to do modern stuff.

By the way, I was considering new hubs for this ladies Popular. (I know, it's a sacrilege). But your period-correct attitude is rubbing off on me too, so maybe I'll just have to hunt down the rims. The only thing is, are c. 1938 hubs going to be in working condition?

On the Popular, I'm sure Harvey could figure out a way to ship it. He is an ingenious guy. He searched high and low just to find me a cheaper carrier to save on postage costs. I'd grab that Popular in a heartbeat, if I were about six inches taller. Those enameled parts just glisten!

I've decided my next cycle has to be at least pre-1940. No more 70's bikes for me!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by sam on 10/22/2002 at 11:51:38 PM
The 26X1/2" westwood rims in 32/40 were used on the girls bikes and the 3 wheeled cycle trucks.(taco carts)When I was buying 28s I picked up a 26 by mistake.Hank has a 26 rod brake roadester frame but I need to go get the other rim.Seems one part leads to another project!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by Mucus on 10/23/2002 at 1:04:30 AM
Now that I am home and can get a better look at it, I think you are correct. It looks like a Popular, probably late thirties!! Tee Hee, Go for it!!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by Jeff on 10/23/2002 at 2:32:12 AM
Which year(s) did Raleigh use that style decal on the chaincase?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/23/2002 at 2:54:03 PM
This script style logo was used on gearcases (indeed the only place where the name was except the Heron's Crests on the rear mudguard and the headbadge) c. 1937-1948. My '48 Raleigh has the same transfer. About 1948 they used a block style lettering.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lovely Raleigh Popular? on e-bay posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/23/2002 at 8:48:41 PM
Well.. we must have scared the guy away: the auction has been closed "because the item is no longer available". So no bids and no buy it now.... someone has ridden away with our topic du jour although not very far on the remains of that saddle and on those tyres...

P.C. Kohler, always happy to see temptation removed.

AGE / VALUE:   rampar 3 speed posted by: felix on 10/22/2002 at 1:43:46 AM
I recently found a rampar 3 speed and would like to know any info/history. not really interested in value.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rampar 3 speed posted by The Bigg One on 11/1/2002 at 6:14:39 PM
Rampar was a spiritual descendant of the old Triumph-Robin Hood-Armstrong bicycles that Raleigh used to sell- it was a low line bicycle made to compete with the Japanese/Chinese/Korean stuff sold in the department stores.

If I recall correctly the Rampar name started out as a Raleigh parts/accessories line, and replaced the "Raleigh LTD"(Raleigh's bottom-feeder line) line as a bicycle.

Most Rampars were pretty much stripped (no pump or tool bag, an el cheapo matress saddle), and I swear I remember seeing one with a Shimano 3.3.3 gearing system!

It's not really a true Raleigh, but it probably beats the bejesus out of the other 3 speed contemporary cheapies!

Hope this helps

AGE / VALUE:   1949 Rudge posted by: Michael on 10/22/2002 at 1:43:35 AM
Beautiful bike, not my auction.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   new rims/wheels posted by: Jim on 10/21/2002 at 9:30:04 PM
A good friend of mine just picked up two '70's Dutch bicycles from a garage sale. Step through frames, long wheelbase, 28" wheels, single speed with coaster brakes. A very pleasant ride. I've a Dl-1 and it is heavy what with the old steel rims, full guard, b-90 saddle, side bag, rear rack, dynamo and whatever else I could heap on the old frame. These Dutch bikes were very light and pleasant in comparison. They featured very simple rims. Much lighter than the rod brake steel ones. Anyone here have a source for NOS or other lighter 28" wheels or rims? I have a plan in mind, but would require new wheels for motivation. Thanks!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   new rims/wheels posted by sam on 10/21/2002 at 11:40:40 PM
So tell me you know how to weld alum. and you plan on building an Alum. DL1.These are the rims you need--28"x1&1/2" in alum.http://www.benotto.com.mx/Acerca_de_Benotto/acerca_de_benotto.html they come on the super turismo

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   new rims/wheels posted by sam on 10/22/2002 at 2:34:29 PM
To see the super turismo click on Otros Modelos ,and the price is Pasos(about $130 dollars)