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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh Collapsible posted by: Trying to find out value on 10/4/2002 at 5:53:49 PM
I own a woman's Raliegh "Twenty "collapsible bike in excellent condition with a Sturmy Archer hub that is dated 1971. It appears all parts are original including fenders w/ Raliegh logos. Does anyone have any idea of worth. I hear there aren't many of these.

MISC:   Near Death Experience Thanks to SA AW posted by: Albert on 10/4/2002 at 4:18:01 PM
I suffered a puncture this morning at 6 AM and had to replace the rear inner tube by the light of a street lamp. When I reinstalled the wheel on my Raleigh Sports I could not see the indicator rod shoulder through the window on the securing nut and so I used an alternative adjustment method which proved inadequate.

Shortly after resuming my morning commute , the bike slipped out of gear . The resulting unexpected lose of resistance on the right pedal caused my foot to slip off ;I might add that it was raining at the time and both the shoe's sole and pedal surface were wet. The predicable happened; I was destabilized and fell. The roadway was heavily travelled and I landed inches from passing cars.

I am taking the time to post an account of this incident as a cautionary note. The SA AW hub is admittedly sturdy and easily repared; it however can literally be a killer if misadjusted.

Some time ago entered several posting suggesting that the Shimano 3-speed hub was superior to the AW SA. because it was immune to slippage due to misadjustment Many, obviously with little experience, found my remarks unacceptable.

   RE:MISC:   Near Death Experience Thanks to SA AW posted by Matthew on 10/4/2002 at 6:51:48 PM
Albert, sorry to hear about your near miss, certainly a good lesson for us all. Hopefully you were only shaken and not broken, no doubt a little grubby after rolling in the road but once you were back on your feet and helmet dusted down, you made another minor adjustment and were on your way. The SA hub lives to fight on, as do you.
Personally I find every journey to work, along a major road, a near death experience. This afternoon an inconsiderate elderly 4X4 driver almost bounced me into the kerb whilst he pull out across the path of an on coming motorcycle. I live on and wonder that some drivers manage to hold a licence. Do you wear hi-viz clothing? I do plus fixed and flashing lamps and a white helmet, short of a police escort I could not do more to be seen, yet still I am ignored and near-missed.
Sorry back to the subject, I have suffered the same with AG AW and K series hubs either in similar scenes to your own or when road testing rebuilds. I have also had deraileur chains snap, derail and jam, all equally unpleasant. I have no experience of the Shimano hub ( and no real desire to have one ) but if it is a working alternative then I hope others try it and report here too.
Take care Matthew

   RE:MISC:   Near Death Experience Thanks to SA AW posted by Mark R. on 10/4/2002 at 6:55:42 PM
Albert, that is always a scary experience, but as I recall you live in Philly, and the traffic must have been not only inches from your head, but also heavy as well. I hope you don't repete the experience! I had a similar experience with the top tube for similar reasons , ooofff!

MISC:   e-mail posted by: phil on 10/4/2002 at 12:06:13 AM
just wondering if christopher robin has recieved pictures of the 1953 charles twigg&co. "the ace".if so please tell me what you think.i need to sell this bike to fund other restorations.i'll be moved into my shop monday and have sunk all my time and money into the shop so i'm getting started with a bunch of bikes& not much money.i don't have a computer yet and just barely learned how to turn one on so if you would leave me a message on this site i'll see it sooner than any e-mail adress i've left with you.or if you like call my work at 801 400 1768 phillthanks

   RE:MISC:   e-mail posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/4/2002 at 4:52:04 PM
I have not yet seen pictures and I will call you today(Friday)

FOR SALE:   Gresham Flyer posted by: Wade on 10/3/2002 at 10:23:42 PM
In a couple of weeks I am going to put my 1956 Gresham Flyer SW Hub bicycle up for sale on E Bay. It has chrome fenders, chain guard, air pump, headlight, and handle bars. It was made by the Aberdale bicycle company. Does anyone have any information about Gresham Flyers? I know nothing about them and the internet as a knowledge source seems to be very weak.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Gresham Flyer posted by Deepak Chopin on 10/6/2002 at 4:20:22 AM
You get out of it what you put into it.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Gresham Flyer posted by Wade on 10/6/2002 at 6:18:54 PM
That explains everything

AGE / VALUE:   Gazelle Brand - Nottingham posted by: Joe on 10/3/2002 at 12:09:27 PM
Can anyone help with some info about a Gazelle-Nottingham bicycle? The frame serial number is HPD 1025. Numbers on the SA 3-speed coaster brake hub are C9 2 (C9 is faintly struck, the 2 is sharp).

I know Gazelle was a Raleigh brand and not a top-line product. The bicycle appears original (good paint, chrome, decals, etc.) and looks about the same as any 60's vintage english 3-speed. Is this a rare brand?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Gazelle Brand - Nottingham posted by Geoff Rogers on 10/4/2002 at 3:08:07 AM
It's a fair bet that any cycle found in the US and marked, "Nottingham" was made by the Raleigh people. They made dozens of brands of bicycles, each with its own set of decals and headbadge, but mostly pretty similar. Gazelles in the sixties were made by Raleigh in Nottingham. I have one, a lady's model. They are fairly unusual, compared to Raleigh, Triumph, Phillips, and some others, but they are not particularly rare or valuable. What they are is very well built, practical utility bicycles, well-suited for intown riding and made to last a lifetime. Or two.
Your hub almost certainly is stamped "69" faintly, rather than "C9". I have seen this before, when the fellow punching the date stamp wasn't paying attention, or maybe it was the end of the day and his arm was getting tired. You can make sure your bike is post 1964 by looking on the bottom bracket for an oil cup. If there isn't one, it was made after '64. The earlier bikes had oil cups and thicker rear stays, among other things.
Gazelle was also a name used by Raleigh of Holland, and I believe is still used today by that company. In addition, Phillips made a Gazelle Sorts semi-clubman bike before the war. I have a 1940, badged "Stoddard Special Sports" on the rear mudguard, and "Gazelle Sports" on the seat tube. It was sold by Stoddard's Sporting Goods in Boston. Oh, and it's for sale.
Hope this helps, and I hope somebody buys my Stoddard!
Geoff Rogers

AGE / VALUE:   28 INCH WHEELS posted by: STEVEN on 10/3/2002 at 2:22:36 AM
I am looking for information on what years and on what Raleigh models used 28 Inch tires? Anyone that can help me would be much appreiciated. PS Where can I buy 28"tires tubes? Thanks Steven

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   28 INCH WHEELS posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 9:17:47 PM
The tubes are 28 X 1 1/2 (which is the same as) 700 X 38 C and any local bicycle shop should have the tubes on their shelf. (Schwinn or Giant or Continental brand tubes)
The tires, probably not as these are unique and do not interchange with modern tires. Tubes, yes at any shop but these tires will have to come from somebody like Sheldon. The tubes at the local shop will be Presta valves and not Schrader valves as original but you can get a small rubber gromet at the hardware store in the plumbing section. Bring the tube and tell them you need a grommet/washer from the plumbing section. The gromet fits in the wheel's valve hole and the Presta valve goes through that.
Also, and maybe easier is Sheldonbrown.com under the Harris cycles section is the shop where Sheldon works that can sell you Schrader valved tubes and tires and you can have them shipped to where you are. You probably should buy tubes from where you get the tires.
Sheldon Brown can help you out and in the rare case when you have something hard to find, post a note here and somebody here can help you find whatever you need. We always manage to scare up a hard to find part here. This stuff is out there scattered about something here, something there. This list is read by a lot of people. A lot of silent lurkers, well known, experienced, seasoned bike folks.On e- bay there are a bunch of English bicycle collector types. Other shops, other services, all over the planet. Also, 99% of them are really dedicated, honest, helpful, stand up people. There are folks out there who can help you.
If you still have difficulty check back here.
One guy who comes to mind, writes books and articles is on the web, he's Tony Hadland at Hadland.net
Take a look at his site too. We take a look at his information for the history on the hubs and folks strip down and overhaul these hubs themselves and now a service is offered here at oldroads.com. See the box advertising it on the page header here.Good Luck

People love to say, Oh that's obsolete and you can't get parts. Hogwash! It's still available, Not just in their modern dealer books. Some shop dealer books may still have the 28 X 1 1 /2 inch tires, but it will be special order and you are best off with Sheldon Brown (or Captain bike as he is known by.) There is no reason to stop using this bike. Many shops love to say that you can't get parts because they want you to buy another bike and also because of less demand for these parts they have cleared them away keeping these parts for space and so because they don't actually have parts on hand, they tell you it cannot be serviced. Shops don't have on hand a list of internet suppliers for these parts and so they don't know and therefore, do not care.
Sheldon has a whole site and pages about English bikes, care and feeding, Raleigh bikes all sorts of English bike info so take a look at Sheldonbrown.com.
First, however take a look at all the things they can sell you here, at Old Roads.com under parts for sale.

WANTED:   28" Wheel Rim sizes posted by: Ian on 10/3/2002 at 1:47:34 AM
Heres hoping that somebody can steer me towards a rim chart that gives tyre (note the correct spelling) bead seat dimensions for rims for 28 x 1&1/4, 1&3/8 and 1&1/2 tyres. My understanding has always been that the smaller section tyre fitted a slightly larger diameter rim so that the outside diameter stayed the same. Certainly the 1&3/8 N.O.S.Dunlop tyres I have fall over the 1&1/2 rims. Are Westwood, Endrick and Westrick rims all the same diameter for any given tyre size? Are Canadian rims different to English sizes? I know from reading this page that American rims are different even though some of the tyres have the same size markings. Any sort of input most welcome - HELP PLEASE !!! THanks, Ian in New Zealand.

   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Warren on 10/3/2002 at 3:49:31 AM
Go to http://www.sheldonbrown.com/ for a great primer on wheels and rims. The only thing it doesn't account for is a couple of odd rims sizes. One is the Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 (or 3/4) sizes that have a 622 bead...the same as 700c's. These were made by Dunlop as well as others. There was another enormous 28 x 1/4 Dunlop rim that was 647mm in diameter on early racers. They are obsolete. The 26 x 1 1/2 Canadian rim was different than the standard 26 x 1 3/8 but I forget the bead size. These are still available if you look hard enough.

   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Warren on 10/3/2002 at 3:50:35 AM
Go to http://www.sheldonbrown.com/ for a great primer on wheels and rims. The only thing it doesn't account for is a couple of odd rims sizes. One is the Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 (or 3/4) sizes that have a 622 bead...the same as 700c's. These were made by Dunlop as well as others. There was another enormous 28 x 1/4 Dunlop rim that was 647mm in diameter on early racers. They are obsolete. The 26 x 1 1/2 Canadian rim was different than the standard 26 x 1 3/8 but I forget the bead size. These are still available if you look hard enough.

   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Ian on 10/3/2002 at 9:03:41 AM
Thanks for that Warren. Sheldons site is a veritable mine of information on most subjects but in this case deals mostly with wheels and tyres commonly used in the U.S. and with metric sizing. The only 28" rim mentioned is the 28 x 1&1/2 with a bead seat diameter of 635mm. What I am looking for is the correct seat diameters for 28 x 1&3/8 and 28 x 1&1/4 tyres. Also what the difference is between English and Canadian rims. He does mention a difference but does not state what it is. Hopefully your size listings clear some of that up. I would also like to establish for sure that for any given size of rim the diameter will be the same regardless of whether it is a Westwood, Endrick or Westrick style rim. Any more clues? Thanks, Ian.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by dafydd on 10/3/2002 at 1:12:31 PM
Check out Bikecult's rim info page:


Few more oddballs!

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 9:23:10 PM
I have a unique Michelin bicycle tire cross refrence chart that should really be seeing the light of day and not being kept away from the group here.
Who wants a copy? e- mail a postal address to me.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 9:40:33 PM
The Canadian 28 X 1 1/2 tires DO NOT FIT the 28 X 1 1/2 English Raleigh rims. Not Raleigh, Sturmey-Archer or Dunlop.
The English Raleigh type rim is F-12 and the Canadian, I don't remember (F- 10 POSSIBLY) but these do not interchange. The Canadiann C.C.M. (Canada Cycle and Motor) or Eatons Glider type bicycles made 28 tires do not interchance, they do not work.The sizing is somehow diffrent. A diffrent ERTO measurement. Take a look at the Bikecult site, perhaps they will explain it better.
Eatons bikes and tires I do not know if those tires will fit on a English Raleigh. I doubt it. The Canadian made Roadsters closely mimicked the English Raleigh type cycles. Even though Canada (was, perhaps still is) a huge source for English Raleigh/ Sturmey-Archer parts. Dispite being so close, There still were two diffrent sizes of 28 X 1 1/2 tires. Side by side and clearly marked For C.C.M.
for English Raleigh.

Canadian Tire sold a nice selection of cycle tires maybe they still do. If in Canada, check a Canadian Tire outlet store near you.
C.C.M. wheel rims are sometimes painted maroon red with white pinstriping on them.
C.C.M. bicycle today, is all diffrent with the company having been sold.
Old stock? what happened to what was left of the old origoinal company? Those are good questions and something worth looking into and following up on. People love to throw everything away that is not bolted down into the flooring. Oh, the waste there probably would have made me cry and wail.
I regret, deeply that I did not go throught Canada more chasing these answers down further.

   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by sam on 10/3/2002 at 10:04:13 PM
British f-12s happen to be the same rim size as Schwinn s-7s , ??? if ya'll ever have a need to know this---sam

   RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Tom on 10/4/2002 at 4:22:24 AM
The Canadian size rim is an F-13 rim. I just looked at a tire from the Canadian Tire store and it says Canadian size 28 x 1 1/2" F-13 rim. Canadian tire does not carry the 28" or 700c tires. If in Canada check the old bike shops only as the new ones don't care about the old bikes. I have a lot of old Dunlop 28 x 1 1/2" tires and they have only 28 x 1 1/2" on them. The Canadian size tire does not fit a Raleigh rim unless the bike was destined for Canada. I had 2 1950's Raleigh bikes in the past and both had the Canadian size tires. I have not had a rod brake bike so I do not know what rim the Canadian Raleigh rod brake bike had. I have around 50 Canadian size 28" rims and I find 28" bikes here in the frozen north almost every day. I just got off the phone with a retired man who found me another 28" tire bike. Too bad the CCM bikes are not very valuable. If anyone wants I am dealing with a bike shop out here to get both size 28" tires(British and Canadian size). If I can get them for a good price I will post them here at a later date. I have also been going through the bike shops here and have no luck finding any Raleigh or Sturmey parts. There is one bike shop here who has a ton of Sturmey stuff but he won't sell to me or anyone else. He keeps it for his own shop to fix customer bikes.
I do not know what happened to the old stock from CCM warehouse. It was most likely sold to the dealers and they got rid of it. I have a friend who has a very large collection of NOS CCM stuff. His bikes go back to the turn of the century. He also has a lot of paperwork on the CCM history. I would love to work with him and set up a website to show the history. He has enough stuff to start a small museum. If anyone has CCM paperwork that they don't want I would gladly pass it on to him.
Eatons of Canada used the same rims as CCM but the bikes were made in England and badged as Eatons. The bottom brackets were British. I have a few of them from pre war times and the bikes were nice. All the prewar bikes I have found were single speed bikes. I have a rare double top bar frame that was made in England and used British BB. These bikes ride smooth and are great attention getters.
This site is a great source for info. Keep the info comming.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by Mark Rehder on 10/6/2002 at 6:54:26 AM
I live in Ottawa (Canada) and I started keeping an eye out for Eaton's Gliders about a year ago. I haven't seen one older than 1968, but of the 10 or so that I've had a quick close look at (incl. the one I saved and rebuilt), the tires were all 26 X 1 3/8. The '72 Glider I saved was an exact copy of my '73 Sports - same tube angles, same Raleigh BB, same pointy front fender, even the same frame size! So I would say it's a safe assumption that all post-1970 (if not before) Gliders use the commmon Brit 26 X 1 /38 tire.

Also, all the CCM 3-speeds I've seen (whether SA or Shimano equipped) use this size as well.

Cheers, Mark

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   28 posted by mc2 on 10/9/2002 at 1:20:41 PM
I am in Montreal and just picked up a 1960 Glider Deluxe, all original...any idea of value on this? thx in advance

AGE / VALUE:   take a look posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 12:26:44 AM
Vogue magazine page# 286, October edition.
I want that rear rack off that bicycle!
Where are my tools, now bring it over here!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:  Biomega and Kronan Cycle posted by Chris on 10/3/2002 at 12:32:19 AM
The article mentions and shows the Biomega and the Kronan. Take a look!

AGE / VALUE:   Paco Sports-Mutant Humber posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 12:19:01 AM
What in the heck is a Paco?
Under "Raleigh bicycle" search on e- bay.
This has a Humber badge but it says Paco on it. Strange, mutant Humber. That is a Humber fork, a model Humber bike I have never heard of before. The Chair hubs are interesting, seldom seen. I forget where Chair hubs were made. I have Chair parts in the stash! I saw these old wooden drawers and pulled them out and put these drawers in the truck and as I did this I thought I don't know what this stuff is but I want it all. Chair is strange stuff.
Anyways I think somebody important went on holiday and they go a little crazy and off the wall with this particular model Humber. I have seen no Humber literature that mentions the Paco version so I don't know for sure. Many models were offered. I'm interested but not surprised.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Paco Sports-Mutant Humber posted by michael k on 10/3/2002 at 9:43:56 PM
I posted this question last week, same thoughts! Never heard of a Paco...one person remarked about the pedals, but I don't think there was another reply...I can't recall what day I found this on eBay and posted this...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Paco Sports-Mutant(not really) Humber export bike posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 9:45:20 PM
A bike that makes me think "Taco" anyways. I'd be hungry for Mexican food every time I saw it. Not a bike for me.
Probably a bike meant for Brazil or someplace.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Most comfortable Brooks saddle? posted by: David Poston on 10/2/2002 at 10:58:21 PM
I am trying to decide between a B73, B33, or B130 for my Raleigh DL-1 roadster. I've ignored the B72 and B66 for this reason: the more springs the better, right? I'm not sure what an authentic restoration of a DL-1 would require, but I've seen photos of something like a B73 on older, pre-war models (which is what I emulate).

The B33 and B130 are often described as "heavy duty." What does this mean? Does this mean they are made for a heavy rider or a rough road? I might add that I am a light rider, around 135 pounds.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Most comfortable Brooks saddle? posted by Steve Palincsar on 10/2/2002 at 11:50:08 PM
An authentic restoration would require a B-66. At least, that's what mine, which was purchased new in 1980, came with.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Most comfortable Brooks saddle? posted by Jeff R on 10/3/2002 at 12:05:42 AM
I have a B33 on one of my sports bikes and a B 66 on an other one. The B33 Is slightly larger than the B66, but not nearly as large as the B130. I think the B33 is more comfortable than the B66 thats why its my favorite.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Most comfortable Brooks saddle? posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/3/2002 at 12:07:25 AM
Go with the Brooks B90/3 the one with the loop spring in front. You won't be sorry for one minute, you'll love it.
The bike will call out to you wanting to go out and about to see the sights. Yes, it is original. I mean not probably original, original but these could be ordered and put on this bike. Nobody will know and the comfort will be wonderful.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Most comfortable Brooks saddle? posted by Kevin C. on 10/3/2002 at 12:06:22 PM
I agree with Chris. The B90/3 had to be the most comfortable saddle ever made. I love mine and it looks great on the DL-1.

   Weight of rider a factor? posted by David Poston on 10/3/2002 at 3:35:09 PM
Thanks, guys, for all the responses. Just one thing--would the fact that I'm a "light" rider preclude me from getting a "heavy" duty saddle? What do they mean by heavy duty? The B90/3 sounds a good bet if it would be suited for my light weight.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What it is all about. posted by: Matthew on 10/2/2002 at 9:27:57 PM
If you are neck deep in rusty and greasy parts and you have lost the will to think straight. When you have barked your shins on yet another set of pedals from a stray laying in your workshop. When her ladyship has given you marching orders because that really is one too many bikes in the house / garden / yard. Think on this. It is a sunny autumn weekend in deepest Suffolk, here in Blighty. The company is pleasant, fellow enthusiasts, cyclists and restorers of all elderly machinery. Ahead are quiet private lanes, of moderate quality and around you are appreciative crwods of onlookers. The only traffic is an occasional vintage tractor or steam engine and you are on board the mount of your choice. This is what it is about, no single element fulfils the whole, each being important. This is why we spend weekends looking in skips (dumpsters) and dumps (civic amenity recycling sites), why we spend evenings stripping the skin off our knuckles and paint off our frames. For the crack.
I spent the last weekend at Wantisden, near Woodbridge, Suffolk with family and friends at an event called Power of the Past. This is not a polish and shine event but a use it and flaunt it event. Everything is hard at work, Caterpillars, tractors, steam engines, bicylces and motorcycles. Mostly British some stateside and a little continental. As I rode my Rudge Pathfinder (1948) and my Norwich Rival (1939) friends were riding, Sunbeam, BSA, Humber, Mercury (uk ex- army), Eslwick and many, many more. We had cycles from 1880 to 1960 on display and being ridden. My daughter looks very little on her 1960 raliegh girls cycle when accompanied by my friend on his 1884 50" ordinary (penny farthing).
This isn't a post - to boast but a reminder of why we do what we do and a chance to share what I enjoy.
Ride well, and have fun Matthew

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What it is all about. posted by David Poston on 10/2/2002 at 11:09:51 PM
Amen, Matthew, I wish we had those kind of events around these parts with a collage of yesteryear cycles. You are living in Raleigh, Rudge, and Humberland. Here we scramble and grab for an ugly green Raleigh Sports from the 60's or 70's, while you are casually inspecting and deliberating over truckloads of Sunbeams from the early part of the century. I envy you all in the motherland.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What it is all about. posted by sam on 10/3/2002 at 2:41:40 AM
I agree David.All our events are about how many miles you can stand to stay in the saddle.They should be about what you saw and who you saw it with.A vintage ride is a worthwhile project.Once a month meet a friend for a morning ride and coffee--simple idea?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bottom Bracket Overhaul posted by: Mike P on 10/2/2002 at 8:44:47 PM
Am in the process of going through a '78 Sports. Have everything in the BB shell cleaned, polished and ready to go. How many ball bearings should be installed per side, and what size should they be? It looks like someone has done some type of maintenance in the past, so would like to make sure I correct any mistakes that may have been made. Also, any recommendations on the ideal grease to use, adjustment tips, etc? Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bottom Bracket Overhaul posted by Jeff on 10/3/2002 at 1:54:00 AM
I know most of the newer bikes with cotterless cranks take 11 1/4" balls. The cottered cranks should be the same.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bottom Bracket Overhaul posted by Mike P on 10/3/2002 at 3:34:18 AM
22. That's what I've read as well. Let's see, when I took it apart, all the bearings were held in place by something that may have once been grease, and there was a grand total of 13. Just read the procedure on Sheldon Brown's site, and it looks like a fairly straightforward job. Thanks for the help.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Trike on Ebay posted by: Tom on 10/2/2002 at 2:29:37 PM
I sew this on ebay and thought you guys might want to see and comment. Any guess what year this is. I have not seen a Raleigh trike before. 16' wheels and a partially enclosed chaincase. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1772955297&rd=1

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Trike on Ebay posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/2/2002 at 11:54:51 PM
The trike is a Raleigh Winkie and it's no longer offered by Raleigh. However, the Pashley Pickle is very, very, similar and the Pickle is still available from Pashley.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Trike on Ebay posted by Mucus on 10/3/2002 at 12:10:18 PM
Oh brother! Wally (Raleigh) winky, Pashley pickle, what's next? Rudgey Fudgey, Humber Bummer....?

FOR SALE:   1964 Dunelt posted by: Robert on 10/1/2002 at 11:32:17 PM
Need to thin the herd. Selling a '64 Dunelt. 23" frame measured from the center of the crank to the top of seat tube. All mechanicals are rebuilt. Rear hub got new bearings, one cone, one pawl and spring. 22T cog on the rear and a new chain. New front wheel bearings along with bottom bracket being rebuilt. New bearings in the head. New tires with HD thorn proof tubes. Couple of small dents in rear fender along with on in the front down low at the back with some scratches. Paint is chipped in places. Not a show stopper but a very good bike that rides nice. Only about 20 miles since I rebuilt it. I am located in San Antonio, Texas. $140.00 plus shipping. Will consider serious offers. See pictures at address listed below.



   RE:FOR SALE:   1964 Dunelt posted by Robert on 10/2/2002 at 2:29:32 AM
I screwed up on picture address above. Try this address for several albums. ONe is labeled 64 Dunelt.


   RE:FOR SALE:   1964 Dunelt posted by Mikey on 10/2/2002 at 1:02:15 PM
Hey, it's a nice bike, but $140 seems a bit high doncha think?

   RE:FOR SALE:   1964 Dunelt posted by David on 10/2/2002 at 1:32:17 PM
$140 does seem a bit high if you'd rather overhaul the hub and bearings yourself, find a decent saddle, and replace the tires and chain. If you'd rather have a bike that's ready to go, it seems fairly reasonable.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1964 Dunelt posted by Mucus on 10/2/2002 at 8:00:23 PM
I think you're right. It is a nice bike.

FOR SALE:   51cm english club Frame with Campy NR posted by: Ben on 10/1/2002 at 12:29:11 PM
I put this on ebay a couple of days ago, would like it to go to a good home, so putting it here too (even if it is not a roadster, it's a great retro ride):

NOS Revell Frame (English Club racer, no rack eyelets, one set water bottle bosses, Reynolds 531 throughout) with complete Campagnolo Nuovo Record gruppo with exception of Shimano cartridge bottom bracket. 126mm rear spacing with 6sp new winner freewheel as new. Campagnolo Omega clinchers on 32h record hubs built with DT 14g with new Continental Ultra 2000 23mm tires and tubes. Brooks ladies road saddle in honey color with copper rails. All cables and housing new. All bearing surfaces professionally rebuilt. Bike is virtually unused, with exception of pedals, which show some wear. This bike is virtually new and unused. No marks on frame whatsoever.