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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   Raleigh fork and chainguards posted by: Tom on 11/21/2002 at 11:37:42 PM
Here is a NOS 28" fork and some chainguards on Ebay. Maybe someone could use them. Not my auction.



ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Accessorize!! posted by: Keith on 11/21/2002 at 9:31:46 PM
Where do you get those cool little eyeglass cases to hang off the back of your Brooks saddle?


   Is that what they are??? posted by David Poston on 11/21/2002 at 10:46:57 PM
I got one of these from Harvey Russell of cycles-of-yesteryear. I requested a tool bag. That's what I thought it was at first, but now come to think of it--they do look alot like eyeglass cases. It seems a bit small for tools. In fact the straps are set a bit narrow to fit the rear loops on a Brooks saddle. I suppose I could store my sunglasses in there on a sunny day.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Accessorize!! posted by michael. on 11/22/2002 at 4:08:50 AM
Sometimes those leather shops which make panniers, saddle covers, tank covers and other bits for Harley riders will take on small custom jobs. In fact their work can be too good, and you'll have to keep them from fringing and tassling everything! Still, a lot of old tool (sorry, eyeglass) bags I've seen have obviously been the product of a small factory or saddlery, especially on older (pre 1929) bikes.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Accessorize!! posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/22/2002 at 4:33:19 AM
Sunglass cases indeed! These are proper "toolbags" that came with the lower to midrange cycles whereas the better grade ones came with kitbags, often matching the Raleigh green, Rudge maroon and Humber blue. These bags that Harvey stocks are great Indian knock-offs of the original Raleigh toolbags. Just big enough for the famous multi-tool wrench, the tin Dunlop tyre patching kit and a couple of tyre irons. But not sunglasses, they belong on the bridge of your nose. And should David even be wearing something as modern as sunglasses on his '30s styled roadsters??

P.C. Kohler

   About those eyeglasses... posted by David Poston on 11/22/2002 at 9:51:05 PM
The bag I have is original old stock according to Harvey. I am guessing it is from the 40's to the 50's. It appears like real leather, though I'm not sure. It is some hard stuff.

Now about those sunglasses: Have no fear, Peter, I wouldn't touch any of those newfangled, modern sunglasses (e.g., Rayban, Oakley) with a ten-foot pole. Nay, these are round, period sunglasses, at least a decent repro. No nosepads, these small, wire-framed glasses sit directly on the bridge of your nose. Though some might mistake me for doing a John Lennon impression, these go well with my Edwardian or 1920's era costumes. Trust me, I've done plenty of research on antique eyeglasses and even have some originals from the 1880's. If you go to metiques.com, you can find yourself a real pair of eyeglasses for less cost than a modern pair!

David, who wouldn't be caught dead riding his "30's style roadster" in modern, distasteful attire.

AGE / VALUE:   26'' wheel w/ dyno hub posted by: Marty Mullins on 11/21/2002 at 9:18:13 PM
How much is a dyno hub wheel W/ front and rear light worth?
THANKS MARTY EMAIL 6159mart@msn.com

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   26'' wheel w/ dyno hub posted by David on 11/21/2002 at 9:35:17 PM
A lot depends on how good the wheel is. An eperational used 32-hole dynohub seems to be worth only about $20 on ebay. 36-hole is worth more (but unless the wheel is good it's only valuable as a hub) Add the cost of spokes and building a wheel. Used lights, maybe another $20 or so? Is the rim true? Good chrome? (Aluminum alloy would be worth a good deal more.) Good bearings in the hub? Strong output? The whole outfit could be worth from about $20 to $150 and there's only one way to find out for sure.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rugby, England posted by: Ian HT on 11/21/2002 at 8:40:52 PM
Can anyone give me any information about a George T Hilton, making bicycles in Rugby, England in and around 1901? He has appeared in my family tree research and we are keen to know more about him and his work. Thank you. Ian.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA Sunbeam posted by: Pete on 11/21/2002 at 5:37:53 PM
Hello All reasently I put a jpeg on photo data base(search BSA) I have had many 1950s roadsters but nothing beats this one for quality (not even a Raleigh) It has a special
rear BSA three speed that comes in two to leave the cog and
chain in the chaincase. To those of you that know about early Sunbeams, this is a throw back to the time they had the "Sharps" divided axle.This was a bolt that screwed in from the left of the bike. When removed, with the wheel still in place, the tube could be taken from the bike and repaired. This was tricky but better than removing the wheel
and chain. Raleigh also had a system from the early 1900s
where the l/f chainstay end was removable. the tube like on the Sunbeam had to be threaded around the brake blocks and out for repair

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA Sunbeam posted by Tom on 11/21/2002 at 11:51:50 PM
Hi Pete
That is one very nice and rare bike. Very interesting, rod brake on the upper rear frame, fenders like the old Indian bikes. All around it is great. Is this your first posting to this site. You have some amazing items on ebay each week. Maybe you can come up with a supply of Raleigh parts for us. Look at the last few pages of postings for what we are looking for.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA Sunbeam posted by Edward in Vancouver on 11/22/2002 at 12:58:00 AM
I'm pretty sure that particular hub was discussed in detail in Tony Hadland's The Sturmey Archer Story. Sigh, the only neat stuff I can find around here is a japanese copy of an AW, old Suntour I think, but those are Sturmey guts for sure.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA Sunbeam posted by Pete on 11/22/2002 at 8:16:21 AM
Tom I do have a lot of new Raleigh parts. all genuine. I also have parts for Sturmeys FM FW AM AG and FG etc. I dont
have every thing but it's worth giving me a try

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA Sunbeam posted by Peter on 11/22/2002 at 3:46:09 PM
Pete - thanks for the photo - that is the most elegant roadster I've ever seen, it now adorns my desktop.
Any more where that came from?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Another beauty, this time a Rudge! posted by: Michael on 11/21/2002 at 4:36:12 PM

Not related to this auction or the one in my last posting.

     Another beauty, this time a Rudge! posted by Brian on 11/21/2002 at 9:11:20 PM
The seller isn't going to win any awards for the quality of his pictures!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Granada posted by: Michael on 11/21/2002 at 4:32:27 PM
Where does the Granada fit into the Raleigh scheme of things? Beautiful bike!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Granada posted by David on 11/21/2002 at 5:41:44 PM
There's some more discussion on this below (you'll have to go to the prior messages). Here's the reply I got from the seller.

Yes, it has Brooks B66S stamped on the saddle
The tire size is 37-622 (28x1 5/8x1x3/8-700-35C
Frame size is 23 3/4" Height must be adjustable because it says fits height
Chain Case is steel
And it is a Sturmey Archer AW 3 Speed year stamped on rear hub says 80 ?
as far as SA Brakes I cannot tell it does not say anywhere

AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season cont'd posted by: P.C. Kohler on 11/21/2002 at 3:07:19 PM
It's all my fault folks. I see this 1947 Raleigh listed on eBay. No photo (I hate that!). Few details. $75 opening bid. I e-mail the owner for more information. Nice reply ending with a note that "the asking price has been substantially increased".

You bet it was. $1500.00 (American dollars.. cash money)

Yikes! This for a bike described as in "fair" condition with "bubbled" paint and chrome etc.


Autumn is in the air, frost is on the pumpkin and dynohubs are burning bright in Roadsterland.... and it's still Silly Season on eBay.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season is still better than crazy, painful season posted by Chris on 11/22/2002 at 1:47:11 AM
"That thair bi-cycle is a genuine antiquity! Yes sir! That thair is worth at least $1000.00 and I ain't gonna take a penny less. No Sir! No Sir!"

Oh, another bad memory comes to the surface.I'll stop before I re- conjure up the whole nutty experience and have nightmares where I am back there re- living it over and over again.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season cont'd posted by David on 11/21/2002 at 3:35:38 PM
Mount up, Peter, and ride out to Columbia and check this baby out. If he decided not to sell it, he could simply end the auction. So he must think there's something special about this bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season cont'd posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/21/2002 at 4:27:15 PM
No way David... I'll cycle up on my bike, he'll knock me over the head and he'll have a gorgeous 1949 Rudge Super Safety on eBay with a starting bid of $2500!!

Nothing special with this pup: cable brakes, Superbe 26" wheel roadster. But she ain't goin' far from Columbia, MD at this price....

P.C. Kohler, remembering the six rod-brakers in the UK just sold on eBay for $66!!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season cont'd posted by David Poston on 11/21/2002 at 6:55:25 PM
I e-mailed the guy, too, for pictures when he first listed it. Looks like I scared him off. He e-mailed me back and said the price was "substantially increased." $1500? You think?


   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season cont'd posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/21/2002 at 8:13:18 PM
David-- we both have more than enough English bicycles so let's just agree to contact all these eBay sellers, pester them for details and drive up the prices for everyone!

Wasn't there a DL-1 offered while back with the same "Please don't even think of bidding" technique: no photo and $1200 or something starting bid. They should just take these machines out and bury them in the yard...

P.C. Kohler

MISC:   Tamiya model roadsters! posted by: Michael on 11/21/2002 at 7:49:15 AM
Spotted this when trying to find info on the net about an English bike manufacturer called Revell. An old girlfriend had a nice Revell club bike, and, and, and...ANYWAY, I know these aren't British but they'd be easily converted by a good modeller. Kind of interesting after the Swiss Army bike thread. Wonder if we can get a BSA paratrooper's bike modelled to match?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA single speed posted by: Deron on 11/21/2002 at 5:32:54 AM
Is there any information on single speed Brimingham Small Arms bikes? The bike has rod brakes, 26" wheels, stright cranks. I'm trying to find out the date of manufacture.



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA single speed posted by Ian on 11/21/2002 at 7:39:49 AM
Deron, unfortunately in several years of being a member of vintage cycle clubs all around the world i have never been able to find anyone who has serial number lists for B.S.A. bikes. There are a few features that can give some idea of age but only in general terms. If the bottom bracket bearings are held in by cotter pins then it was made prior to about 1926. If it is later than that then they stayed very much the same up to the early 50's with the main differences being in paint striping etc. If it has only a few thin pinstripe lines it is probably pre-war whereas if it has red arrowhead type patterns inside the lines it was probably built after the war. Wish I knew more myself. Email me a photo if you like. Regards, Ian.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rebuildable Pedals posted by: Brian on 11/21/2002 at 1:30:10 AM

Do you have some Raleigh Rebuildable Pedals in the 4" size (for Raleigh Sports) that you might part with? I'm not worried about the rubber blocks. I'm looking for clean, rust-free pedals for two bikes. I got odds 'n' ends for trade or ?

Thanks, Brian

AGE / VALUE: Was meaning to, doesn't cut it. posted by: Chris on 11/21/2002 at 12:50:52 AM
When the deal comes down, when the time comes, they ain't gonna call you. "Oh, heck I don't know what I did with that card!" They'll look in the phone book, get one of those roll off dumpster thingies and within one afternoon, it's filled and off to landfil. Then they're back on the plane to Georgia an hour after signing the real estate papers.
Unless you are there to see the container out front. You have been meaning to stop in and make conversation and offer to buy this or that but you have been putting it off have'nt you?
Now it's too late, it's cleaned out, remodeled and sold and here you did not even know what time it was!
Life turns quickly, there is a job and wife and home to get back to, The directory book of dads? Oh it was in there somewhere, Honestly Chris, I just did not have the time. We have been busy, the hoildays, all that. (Or) What do you want with all that old junk?How soon can you get a truck here? Oh I don't have that much time!
I'd stay and chat, really but I'm busy. I have a flight to catch.
"He was my dads cousin, his wife re- mairried and we cannot think of her husbands name. Jennifer and Rob don't know. Im sorry, but we cannot help you."
Or you get there in time because you stoped putting it off and didn't leave it to chance or luck.
You wanted to ask questions, to learn or perhaps you are looking for something to buy or for a book or just for your own curriousity. Don't take for granted that they are going to be there, that anything will be there. I drive by and look and I cannot believe the changes.Friends pass on and In never hear about it until months later.
I was on the phone and as the fellow answered my questions and filled in the blanks and literally pieced the puzzle back together for me, I sat there amazed because when he's gone it's all over because I don't know anybody else whom to ask and when you don't know somebody and they don't know you and there is nobody about to hook you two up, it is almost impossible. This here fellow is Chris, He's alright! Without that? They are asking "Who are you again? I don't know you." There are hurdles to overcome, coattails to ride on, the channels people go by, and sometimes they pass away before you finish the race and get up to them. "Oh, He was a real interesting fellow, and he'd know what you were asking about!" "You woulda liked to have met him!" The only directory I have is one that I have put together from my own experiences and learning. You only get one chance, don't mess it up.
It's been my experience that whatever you are chasing after will get tossed out if you or somebody is not there and expressing an interest at the time.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Was meaning to, doesn't cut it. posted by Chris on 11/22/2002 at 1:59:14 AM
Getting the right person to vouch for you is always wonderful! No problem, I did not let the guy down I would not have dared to think that. He hooked us up, we shook hands and smiled and everything was wonderful.

WANTED:   Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by: Jim on 11/20/2002 at 9:23:05 PM
Probably like most every one who posts here, I have a box of nice old rebuildable Raleigh pedals, with treads that are worn smooth - some are even worn down to a dog-bone shape. is there a source for replacement treads ?

   RE:WANTED:   Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/20/2002 at 10:36:51 PM
Another let's get organised and get it done project! Hemmings Motor News is a good place to find outfits that can do rubber moulds. You send them one good original, they make a mould and make zillions. I have excellent examples of Rudge and Raleigh pedal blocks. We just have to have enough people to buy into the project to offset the cost of the mould. It cannot cost that much, it's done all the time.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:WANTED:   Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by Ben on 11/20/2002 at 11:38:42 PM
I vote for the Phillips logo pedal treads!

   RE:RE:WANTED: Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/21/2002 at 12:41:33 AM
Older, deeply grooved Raleigh pedals with an R over an I. The Raleigh Industries logo not the Sir Walter one.
Something added onto the block so it does not rotate too.
Phillips made a lot of awesome pedals!

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED: Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/21/2002 at 2:31:55 AM
Right then.. I'll e-mail one source in the UK and see if they can do this. Raleigh Industries (generic), Raleigh, Rudge, Humber, Phillips.... remember guys we'll need good originals to send them. I'll report back when (and if) I hear from them. Other sources in the USA??

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED: Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by Tom on 11/21/2002 at 4:26:39 AM
Does anyone have a closeup picture of a Raleigh pedal. Could someone post a picture on this site or Rollbritania. I have seen a few different pedals on Raleigh bikes. I don't know what is the correct pedal.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED: Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by Edward in Vancouver on 11/21/2002 at 5:28:12 AM
Put me down for a couple pairs of pedal blocks as well. Now if we could find a sheet metal stamping factory to make chaincase parts...

   RE:WANTED: Replacement Tread for Raleigh Pedals posted by Brian on 11/21/2002 at 1:38:11 PM
I'll commit to a couple pair of repro-pedal blocks too.

   Raleigh Pedal Photo posted by Brian on 11/21/2002 at 3:51:19 PM
I'll upload a Raleigh Pedal shot Tom on this site, or at Brittania - I would have emailed you the image direct, but no email address comes up when I click on your name. You should really correct that.

   RE:Raleigh Pedal Photo posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/21/2002 at 4:17:22 PM
There's a Photo Album in Roll Britannia called "Parts" (or something like that) or the "Topical" album for any pedal pix.

I sent the e-mail to Dial Grips (UK) for quotes on pedal blocks and yes even those "stone" Raleigh grips.

I will get a shot of the c. 1948 Raleigh pedal blocks posted as well.

Since the major cost is the moulds, we might start with the generic (and cool sounding) "RI" ones that Christopher mention.

I'll let you all know when (and if!) I hear anything back from Dial.

P.C. Kohler

   Raleigh 1950's pedals picture; Union pedals for sale posted by David Poston on 11/21/2002 at 7:02:38 PM
I posted a picture of 1950's NOS Raleigh pedals in RollBritannia's parts page that Martin (a great source of English parts) sold recently on e-bay. I was even lucky enough to negotiate a private sale with him for two pairs of these NOS pedals.

If anyone is interested, I have two pairs of NOS Union pedals, no reflectors, with the big diamond tread. These might be c. 1970's? I got these from Harvey Russell, but they didn't quite do it for me.


   Now about those grips! posted by David Poston on 11/21/2002 at 7:05:55 PM

While you're at it, can you hound Dial Patterns on those grips? Ask them if they stock the black torpedo roadster grips, as they might not be willing to reproduce grips for us. I think I recall seeing a photo or two of black grips on their website, but I never got any success in getting a reply from them via e-mail.


AGE / VALUE:   CCM SunSport posted by: D.G on 11/20/2002 at 2:25:14 PM
Any CCM "experts out there? Picked up an old CCM Sunsport:Ancient Shimano 3-speed, coppertone paint, "roadster" style frame, handle bars,etc. Generic side-pull brakes. Unusual chainring: has "CCM" lettering built-in.
Weighs a ton but great fun to ride. Any ideas how long this model ran.

WANTED:   bicycle license plates posted by: paul on 11/20/2002 at 2:11:45 AM
I spoke to a husband and wife from Auburn,MA who collect bicycle license plates from cities and towns of MA. Kindly e mail me as I have lost your card and address as well as e mail address......thanks, I wanted to e mail an image of a certain MASS plate to you! sincerely, Paul

   RE:WANTED:   bicycle license plates posted by paul on 11/21/2002 at 1:04:12 AM
Thank you, Vin at Oldroads, the other party e mailed me and we are now able to e mail each other. You may delete the original message and this one as well! sincerely, paul