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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   Amstrong Bicycle posted by: DJ on 11/4/2002 at 9:17:29 PM
has anyone heard of the brand Armstrong Bicycles it says made in england and had a 3speed hub. Anything u can tell me about them would be of interest thanks

   RE:MISC:   Amstrong Bicycle posted by DJ on 11/4/2002 at 9:25:15 PM
Additional I can email pics and it is a ladies frame with Sturum Archer 3 speed

   RE:MISC:   Amstrong Bicycle posted by Catfood Rob on 11/4/2002 at 10:26:10 PM
Whats the date on the Stermey?Armstrong were a "generic" bike company...nothing unusual about them, just std British bikes with Raleigh accessories. What size wheels? rod brakes?
Best bet is the hubdate.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge on ebay posted by: Tom on 11/4/2002 at 3:13:39 PM
This is a cheap "Buy it Now" Rudge on ebay. If you are in the Boston area get it soon.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge on ebay posted by Tom on 11/4/2002 at 6:44:47 PM

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge on ebay posted by dafydd on 11/4/2002 at 8:13:05 PM
Hard to tell with dark photo & angle of shot, but pretty sure the fork's bent. Could be a good buy, maybe not, depending on what's wrong and what's available. Of course, you could forgo original and put in a shiny chromy replacement fork, drop in 700c wheels, chop the top, nose and deck it... mmm...

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge on ebay posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/4/2002 at 8:20:31 PM
It's a great price (low shipping too!) but... the fork looked bent to me too. And this is late model Rudge so no "hand" chainwheel. But still....

P.C. Kohler, dead chuffed that his F.S.U. battery unit works like a charm on his '51 Rudge. And who admits to turning off the lights in his apartment to see that warm glow from the headlamp. Pathetic, huh?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ebay Rudge find posted by: Brian on 11/4/2002 at 1:39:49 PM
Get out the clean shop rags, the Day-Glo, and the Kiwi- there is a super deal on a older Rudge-ebay # 730416121, not special, but a little cleaning & a fresh B-66 and you've got a classy 50's around town ride. Under the "seeing is believing catagory" ebay # 731006295, a Raleigh Chopper going for only (my gosh!) $610 with 4 1/2 days to go (as of Nov.4th) *no relation to seller's

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   ebay Rudge find posted by Edward In Vancouver on 11/4/2002 at 3:26:22 PM
Better snap up that Chopper, I've seen some go for $700 and even higher. What, me go for it? well, umm I, hmm nnjj....

MISC:   Which Brooks?? posted by: William on 11/4/2002 at 9:38:26 AM
Hi guys,how're you doing??
I was just wondering about the heavy-duty Brooks saddles.I'm still looking for a B 33 or a B 90/3.Could anyone please tell me what's the difference between the two apart from that the B 90/3 being a bit larger?? Anything at all:leather,quality,spring tension,etc.
If there's not much difference,then I may go for a B 33,which is cheaper.And I'd also like to know about your personal preferences between the two.Any comments would be much appreciated.And I suppose I can only get them thro' Mr.Charles Persons of Persons-Majestic Company(Permaco)??
Thank you all for your help.Bye and take care.

With regards,

   RE:MISC:   Which Brooks?? posted by Mucus on 11/4/2002 at 2:36:00 PM
Hi, The B90/3 is much more robust, and weighs a ton (sic). But, the B-33 would be just as good a choice.

   RE:MISC:   Which Brooks?? posted by David Poston on 11/4/2002 at 8:06:00 PM
I just got my first B-33, with the black undercarriage. It looks magnificent on my Raleigh DL-1. Very comfortable, too. You can get it from permaco.com, which are the cheapest, but you can also try harriscyclery.com or wallbike.com. Wallingford Bicycle Parts (the last link) offers a 6-month trial period on all their Brooks saddles, so if it doesn't work out for you, can always return or exchange it. I don't know if they ship out of the country, though.


   RE:MISC:   Which Brooks?? posted by jeff on 11/5/2002 at 11:14:10 PM
Any bike shop that uses Quality as a parts supplier can get you a Brooks saddle. I bought my B-66 through Quality.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Chrome crankarm dustcaps: standard fitment? posted by: David Poston on 11/4/2002 at 7:09:08 AM
Where do these go? I can't seem to find these on my bikes. Were they a standard fitment?



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Chrome crankarm dustcaps: standard fitment? posted by Stacey on 11/4/2002 at 11:07:11 AM
First you need a cotterless crank David. Once you've installed that, these cover the nuts on the spindle end of the cranks

MISC:   ID these bikes! posted by: Mark Rehder on 11/4/2002 at 7:01:24 AM
From a posting on the IHPVA list, some pics of erotic bicyle art. There seem to be a few British-type machines here, so try not to get too distracted while ID-ing the bikes! WARNING! Photos contain nude images of the female form. View at your own risk. ;o)




As usual, watch out for the tilde thingie...

Cheers, Mark

   RE:MISC:   ID these bikes! posted by Chris on 11/5/2002 at 2:12:20 AM
No thanks. Na, and I hate football too. Yes, I am strange. The strange thing is that when some lass rides by I really am checking out the old bike. Trying to see what model it is wheather or not it's a Dunelt or Armstrong or Triumph. I stop people to talk about the bike.
She asks, "Do you want my number?" I say "Why? You said you would not sell the bike!"
Chilled rice custard with rasins! My cholesterol must be thru the roof. I sit craving this delightful desert and I want to learn how to make this exactly at home as it is served at the restaurant! Oh, it's good!

   RE:RE:MISC:   ID these bikes! posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/5/2002 at 4:56:26 AM
Look, Chris, we all know that English three-speeds are real chick magnets... but I never thought of using "Is that a GH6 dynohub?" as a pick-up line. Hmmmm. "Is that a F.S.U./battery case or you just happy to see me?"

P.C. Kohler, who knows nice girls use authentic Sturmey Archer oil.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   ID these bikes! posted by Stacey on 11/6/2002 at 5:54:38 PM
... but good girls use anything! LOL

AGE / VALUE:   BRITISH HERCULES posted by: IAN ELLIOTT on 11/3/2002 at 7:33:39 PM

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sunbeam Full Chaincase posted by: Tom on 11/3/2002 at 3:13:08 PM
Here is a nice fully enclosed chaincase on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=731265312&rd=1
It has some damage. Has anyone had one with this type of damage and been able to fix it. It is high priced for one in this shape.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sunbeam Full Chaincase posted by Mucus on 11/4/2002 at 2:38:58 PM
Hey, that is a real "oil-bath" case too. They had epicyclic gears,and the chain really did run through oil. Cheap at that price, but only original on Sunbeams.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sunbeam Full Chaincase posted by Michael K on 11/4/2002 at 6:15:46 PM

This same fellow has some Raleigh vintage rubber-block pedals available, I know that sometimes people are looking for those...Item # 730879712 on eBay...check his other stuff out...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters Yes but wrong country posted by: Steven on 11/3/2002 at 7:37:35 AM
I realize that this site is dedicated to things English, but I hope that you will forgive me for bringing up a roadster topic that is Italian instead of English. I am off to Italy on Tuesday to pick up a number of vintage lightweights and some of the people I am dealing with have offered me a variety of rod-braked Italian roadsters. These include models by Gloria (1934) - Touring (1935/36) - Olimpia (1939) - Legnano (a matched set of women's and men's models from 1940/41) - Maino (1940/41) - Lygie (1947/48) and Bianchi (1960). Although I am a fan of roadsters and have an all-original 1937 Bianchi myself, I have no idea as to the market for such bikes. I would like to have them shipped back to the US with all the vintage lightweights that I am picking, but have neither the space nor the money to have the bikes sit around. Is anybody interested in such bikes? Can anybody give me an approxiamte value of such bikes in the US market? If you can help me please send me an email by clicking on my name above. Thanks!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters Yes but wrong country posted by M.R. on 11/4/2002 at 2:40:27 PM
YES!!! If you put those bad boys on eBay, they ALL will sell!!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters Yes but wrong country posted by M.R. on 11/4/2002 at 2:42:09 PM
OH, and for Gods sake man, get some Italian alloy 28 in. rims while you are there!! Like those on the Umberto Dei roadsters. You will sell all of them as well. PLEASE!!!!
And don't forget to let US here know!!!!!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters Yes but wrong country posted by Steven on 11/5/2002 at 4:45:04 AM
I'll see what I can do about the rims, as they are easy to ship, unlike the roadsters. The shipping charge for the roadsters via air freight is close to $200 per bike when you count shipping, customs and everything. Ouch!

AGE / VALUE:   British rims? posted by: sam on 11/3/2002 at 3:40:00 AM
The rim chart on this site shows the british "F" rim to be 1&1/2" wide.I understood these to be for a 1&1/2" tyre size ,as in the 28" tyres.The chart also shows the 26"x1&3/8" in the "F" rim.will regular 26x1&3/8" sport tyres also fit this "F" rim size? And are the forks for the rod brake 26" bikes wider than for the sport bikes?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   British rims? posted by Warren on 11/3/2002 at 4:38:32 AM
If there is something I've learned, it's not to believe anything written on the sidewall of a tire except for bead size. I have a circa 50 Hercules with EA3 rims and it looks to be spaced just like the Sports models.

Another reference chart is found at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire_sizing.html

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA INFO posted by: karl on 11/3/2002 at 1:47:10 AM
Just trying to find any info on BSA bicycles. Mine is a rod brake delivery bike made by BSA. Any info to help me restore it and determine what era it is from would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA INFO posted by Ian on 11/3/2002 at 9:03:11 AM
Karl I would love to be able to help but I have been searching for this sort of info about B.S.A.'s for years without much sucess so if you get any good replies emailed to you please post them on this site.I am a member of vintage cycle clubs in both Britain and Australia and the one thing that they seem to agree on is that records of serial numbers and similar details have never been found. You can say that if it has bottom bracket bearings held in by cotter pins it is about 1926 or earlier whereas screwed lock rings mean it is later than that. The situation is further confused by the fact that they sold kits of fittings for many years for other makers to build bikes from but such bikes often had a decal saying "Made with best B.S.A. fittings" on them. Roadsters had some differences in pinstriping over the years but I suspect that a delivery bike would be all black? If yours has a 20" front wheel and a deep basket it is a grocery bike whereas if it has 26" wheels front and back and a shallow basket it was made as a butchers bike. The grocery bike would have had a cane basket and the butchers a metal mesh one. The majority were made between the 1930's and the 1950's. Although they were made after this the volumes were much smaller as the demand dropped off. Have fun with it whatever year it is, they are dreadful to ride with the small wheel and a load in the basket but great for taking the bubbly to champagne breakfast rides! Cheers, Ian.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA INFO posted by Catfood Rob on 11/4/2002 at 10:23:14 PM
As far as ive been able to find...bsa kept no records ( or at least have never published them) of frame numbers. When they were tasken over by Raleigh, all records went in the dunpster. Interesting point about the cotterpinned bottom bracket...Ive been hunting for the year for a while...thanks Ian.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA INFO posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/5/2002 at 8:46:04 PM
I believe that... A few survived. Whatever it is.
I pray that somebody was there to rescue things and that we just have not run across this person and got them interested. To hear that it went to waste and is lost where it will continue to fustrate us is like a knife in my heart.
Exact answers from real people that one way or another put the issue to bed for certain, I have not had happen. Nor met or phoned people who can exactly vouch one way or another.
Personally, I believe that for whatever reason or reasons many times they do not share all they know on a subject unless you are "in the club" I have had people ask in angry tone when I get too close for their comfort.
"Who are you?"

This is like the: Oak Island Money Pit in trying to find answers that make sense.

Then again, I don't want to doubt Catfood Rob and it sounds like he's been digging for answers. Some of the most passionate folks are the Chopper people too.
Good Luck Catfood, Keep at it!

AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer / Coventry Flyer posted by: Gary Wallace on 11/2/2002 at 11:38:09 PM
Hello, I have a Western Flyer bicycle that I am having no luck finding any infomation on. The chain guard says "Coventry Flyer" and on the bar under the seat it says "Western Flyer" England(appears to be from the 50s or 60).It is a girls 26" 3 speed on the right side grip with a head light and a carrier over the back tire. Like I said I can find every other western flyer but not this one. If anyone could help me please email me. Thanks Gary Wallace

AGE / VALUE:   1953 charles twigg&co.'s the ace/1 production only posted by: philliprhodes on 11/2/2002 at 1:18:56 PM
trying to get message through to christopher robin about available pictures.would like to speak to you via web cam to discuss bike/see it first hand.anyone else interested e-mail return adress please.thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1953 charles twigg&co.'s the ace/1 production only posted by lambo on 11/2/2002 at 1:27:53 PM
you mentioned it has fw hubs.i could not find sturmey archer fw hubs in the metonomy database.how common is it to find dunlop rims and tires with s.a. fw's?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1953 charles twigg&co.'s the ace/1 production only posted by lambo on 11/2/2002 at 1:28:04 PM
you mentioned it has fw hubs.i could not find sturmey archer fw hubs in the metonomy database.how common is it to find dunlop rims and tires with s.a. fw's?

FOR SALE:   Lot of parts for sale; buy now, or back to England they go posted by: David Poston on 11/1/2002 at 11:50:45 PM

I am wrapping up my Raleigh Tourist retrofit/restoration project. Look for my fiance and I at Dickens-on-the-strand in Galveston, Texas, on Dec 1-2. We'll be garbed in Victorian/Edwardian attire aboard two very quaint looking DL-1's which have undergone a very thorough (perhaps overly so) retrofit/restoration. Here is a list of parts I don't need, most of which I received from Harvey Russell of cyclesofyesteryear.com in the UK. Please e-mail me or reply here soon if you want these parts; otherwise, back to England they go. All parts are brand new unless otherwise stated.

1 pair of 28" round section mudguards with rod stays, black with red and gold pinstriping (foreign-made)

1 pair of 26" round section mudguards with rod stays,
black with red and gold pinstriping (foreign-made)

1 HEAVY DUTY rear rack for 28" roadster, black with spring arm and spiralled stays (foreign-made); I might add I can't figure out how to mount this on my DL-1

1 old-fashioned prop stand mounts rear axle, chrome with spring loaded arm (foreign-made)

2 Sturmey Archer triggers, c. 1950s all metal, no plastic; well used with faded face, but working condition

3 Sturmey Archer pulley wheels, c. 1950s all metal, no plastic, plenty of rust but will work

3 Sturmey Archer gear cables, new aftermarket ones with the smooth black housing, cut to your length

2 sets of NOS Union pedals, c. 1970s-80s, all rubber pedals without reflectors, large diamond tread

1 complete set (4 total) of rod-brake pads in the metal holders, new and foreign-made

1 ding-dong bell, large, thin metal, and foreign made, nothing like Lucas but cheap in price

1 NOS Adie dome bell in original box, made in England c. 1950s-60s, impeccable chrome, has loud ring with a slight "twang" to the ring, but maybe just needs adjusting

I'll give you guys a few days to respond, otherwise most of these parts are going back to England, because I am short on cash.


MISC:   50s era Rudge Transfers Available posted by: P.C. Kohler on 11/1/2002 at 5:04:27 PM
Good news: Classic Transfers (UK) can now offer:

mudguard Rudge (Nottingham) crest transfer
"Rudge Sports" down tube transfer
"Rudge-Whitworth" chainguard gearcase transfer

hopefully next will be the large "Made in England" top tube transfer for Rudges, Raleighs, Humbers etc.

All are c. 1950s

Thanks to Charles Ellis for helping make this possible; I provided the chainguard and top tube scans.

Note, I am saving the better eBay scans showing transfers and filing them on "Roll Britannia". All Classic need is a good scan and they can make this stuff... fast turnaround and service. Waterslide too not those awful vinyl things.

For prices and to order, contact them via their website:


P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:   50s era Rudge Transfers Available posted by Christopher on 11/1/2002 at 6:40:20 PM
I lift my glass of chocolate milk up and propose a toast you! Then we all dance around the room and sing,
"We can find transfers for our Rudge cycles" over and over.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:  Searching for green line Schwinn tires in the Twilight Zone posted by Chris on 11/3/2002 at 10:03:00 PM
Yes, Chocolate milk!(I was being silly.) I should have said Bovril, or Horlicks as I have old ads for those products.
After yesterday's simply awful, extremely maddening and fustrating, clothes tearing and hair pulling(my own) experience with a old, psychotic,taunting, packrat who's gone way deep into the twilight zone I needed something much stronger afterwards.
Yes, I closed the deal, secured many bargains, got it all home securely too. But at what personal emotional cost?
He let me drive 100 miles each way, then teased the living crap out of me. Waited a good while to have him let me in the gate. I've driven home many a time in the past after pre arranged visits fall thru without reason. Too hot, too cold, my shows on, went to store, went to church whatever. Turned off main power again and then took the only flashlight and waved it about so I could not see what I was looking at. I am tall but the chainguards that were hanging up were just out of reach. Everything in this place is just out of reach, always was. He did not fall off the ladder and we got them down. I brought home 4 and the other two I don't know a lot about. Avenger 5 chainguard and the others I don't remember. One Sting Ray fastback in orange over chrome (chainguard.) It's dark so I cannot see. Other folks have been in there, so the secret stash has been breeched but how badly and to what extent I don't know. I went to look for 20 inch and 16 inch tires. I am uncertain what old tools he has still. I can't go into drawers and pull things out to see. "Not yet" he says. "Listen to me when I'm talking!" he says. I do!!! Stop saying that! For heavens sake. Some things I can pull into and pull out. I ask, "May I?" and he retorts "Of course, if you want to buy it! It's not gonna jump out at you!" and the next minute he says "No, you'll pull everything down.
He's cleaned and thrown out and sent to scrap many things.
Many slick tires went to the sale. 50 cents each! I keep from screaming. After I got into the car and down the street and before I got onto the freeway I let out a good scream and then I was fine to drive home! I bought everything there(the tires) that was left. Sting Ray gripper slicks in orig packaging! How whould you feel knowng you only have 60% percent of what you could have had? Did rather well yes, but still blew it. This is what I get for not concentrating on the kids musclebikes scene where things are jumping.
More of this "Don't touch anything" nonsense. That would be fine except he agreed to have me over to buy and haul. He alternates between "I have to get this stuff out of here", to "don't touch". I pick something up and I never know if he'll let go of it or not. Some things are for sale other not.Could not pull out bikes I wanted, same with wheels and no light to see also. Waved flashlight at me and distracted me with having to pay attention to him and not waver from 100% eye contact while I am trying to see if the bike has an enclosed guard or not. Some discussion I have to closely participate in and answer about that I don't care about. Refused to sell that lousey wheel 20 inch wheel again. Seperate the Canadian crap from the Schwinn StingRay stuff. but, with no light! I need braille stamps on all his stuff! Very interesting, Orange Raleigh Chopper copy I want to see up close and buy and get it home and research on the net as I have never seen or heard of before but it is buried and I can't get him to let me buy it. If I buy it in the future I'll take photos and send it in to a Chopper site. It's interesting! Perhaps next time? Next time??? Ha Ha Ha! I'll have to take him grocery shopping but not let him touch anything on the store shelves and I have to switch brands and wiggle prices sideways and we'll have to arrange to have no lights on in the store and them perhaps he'd understand. Campagnolo hubs I have to identify, Beautiful Harden hubs to overhaul and get into my bikes!
"That's all junk, that foreign aluminum garbage!" "What are you gonna do with those?" (Oh, just polish and run my hands over them lovingly!) Simplex parts to clean. I did well, but it was not fun. The rest?
It'll go to scrap and nobody will hassle the guy pulling it all out then.
Did get into the attic where he did not see the rim I wanted and drove to get. We found it and I have it. Dunlop 26 X 2.00 dipled Raleigh Moped front rim, 32 hole N.O.S. Now only I need the whole rest of the moped! Old hubs sat and said "hello" but I could not get in there to see them.
I already picked thru those last time, but still.

Old car literature from the 1920's. Not for sale as usual but I got to look thru it. Way cool!
Moere Old bicycle literature? I don't know.
I have a ancient Fiorelli cycle poster that is breathtaking. I sent a copy to a pal who had his pal call me up and ask "Where Did you get it, is it for sale?" I looked at that ominous wood stove and wondered what all has gone into it. I wanted that old Hercules bike this time! and had enough to pick it up. He promised! But No. Don't pull it out. I got the Royal Scot by Raleigh (35.00) but I must be crazy because it is a ladies bike with marred decals and a hockey stick guard. I need another ladies model bike like a hole in my head. No problem pulling that one out, however! I stoped the car and got out to see if I had everything I had paid for as he puts things back after I paid for them to see if I am paying attention. Pay attention while I distract you type deal. Clothing in rags and won't put on the new coat.
Why did I ever let him know about this place I discovered In the first place, I will never know. Next time I keep my mouth shut and clean it all out myself. He turned the folks there against me, once he got in too. It became unpleasent and weird. I said he was a pal and I vouched for him and them he gets his foot in and rips me silly. I learned some good lessons from him and the experience. Passed over the pile of cissy bars because they did not look Schwinn -ish or Raleigh and I was not going to get stuck with Canadian junk that won't move. Mostly I have had first pick before anyting was ever sold and the deals I have hammered out with him were good/very good. it's time to move on, new undescovered stashs of bike goodies are out there. I just hope the seller is not eccentric. That Schwinn Sting Ray green line tire was up to $1,200.00 last time I looked on e- bay.

   RE:RE:MISC:   50s era Rudge Transfers Available posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/1/2002 at 8:24:23 PM
Chocolate milk? Please, at least Pimms, Boddingtons Bitter, Yorkshire Tea, Typhoo, Horlicks or Bovril... but chocolate milk?

P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:   50s era Rudge Transfers Available posted by sam on 11/1/2002 at 9:02:16 PM
P.C. can you add your web site to the links section on this site?Also here is a phillips decal if you don't have one already http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=733623 I hope to add a raleigh soon

   RE:MISC:   50s era Rudge Transfers Available posted by michael k on 11/1/2002 at 9:25:03 PM
I think that adding P.C.'s site as a link is a great idea...the more ways to get to relevant information/groups, the better, I say...

Another vote to get Rollbritannia suggested as a link...

Michael K

   RE:RE:MISC:   50s era Rudge Transfers Available posted by P.C. Kohler on 11/1/2002 at 10:09:26 PM
Good idea, I'll e-mail VVVintage and suggest it.

Here's the link anyway:


There's separate Photo Albums for eBay cycles of special interest and one on Transfers. And lots n lots of other stuff.

P.C. Kohler