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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   What type of Brooks?? posted by: W.L.SOON on 12/11/2002 at 1:26:41 PM
Hi guys,how're you all??
I've recently bought a Brooks saddle on eBay.I was looking for a Brooks for my Gazelle when I came across it.It isn't leather,but some kind of vinyl;but it looked kinda 'rare'(to me,at least),so I bought it.Please view item no.736873275.

I would to to hear from you guys on it.Any comments at all.Is it a nice saddle? Possible age? Were they ever fitted to Roadsters? Is it suitable for a Roadster? Model no.? Are they less common than leather saddles? ETC.any comments at all would be appreciated.Thank you very much.BYE.

William Soon,Malaysia.

   RE:MISC: What type of Brooks?? posted by J.M.Vernooy on 12/11/2002 at 3:36:39 PM
They do seem to be much more rare than the tensioned leather Brooks saddles. They were very common about fourty something years ago. My first bicycle, a 1960 Hercules Hawthorne sportster, had a two tone, red and white, Brooks vinyl mattress saddle much like the one you bought. The tensioned leather Brooks saddles appear to be much more durable than those vinyl mattress saddles. Brooks still makes a full line of tensioned leather saddles. Vinyl mattress saddles are still made, but not by Brooks. Most of the ones sold in the U.S.A. are made in Taiwan. Vinyl matteress saddles were usually found on light roadsters, also referred to as sportsters. The tensioned leather Brooks saddles, such as the model B72, were usually used on roadsters. Others here can probably tell you more than I can, but hope this helps.

John Vernooy, USA

   RE:MISC:   What type of Brooks?? posted by Ed on 12/12/2002 at 2:59:40 PM
J.M. Although my 63Hercules is post Raleigh's acquisation it has a Birmingham brass headbadge. Did Raleigh possibly use any retro parts in the early years after the take over?
Regards, Ed.

   RE:MISC:   What type of Brooks?? posted by William on 12/13/2002 at 1:25:39 PM
Hi guys,
Thanks for all your comments.I really appreciate them all.I've received the seat today.It's a beauty(that's probably because I had never seen one before),a NOS with a bit of shelf wear,chrome is in excellent condition.As David had said,well yeah,it's a bit firm.But is it small?? At 9"wide and 9 1/2" long,it should be quite O.K.Heck,it's wider than a B66 or B72,nearly as wide as a B33.But it's not long,that's for sure.And it weighs 1250 grammes with the post.I've yet to try it out on my Gazelle.

Well,thanks again.Happy Riding to all.BYE and TAKE CARE!!!

   RE:RE:MISC: What type of Brooks?? posted by J. M. Vernooy on 12/13/2002 at 3:19:30 PM
I stand corrected. I thought that Raleigh would have moved the production immediatly to Nottingham and/or changed the head badge to reflect move to Nottingham. The one's who know best are the one's with the bicycle right in front of them. They may have kept the Hercules factory or used stock parts for a while. Doe's anyone knows when the headbadge began saying Nottingham instead of Birmingham.

   RE:MISC:   What type of Brooks?? posted by Lincoln on 12/11/2002 at 4:20:48 PM
I'm surprised. I have one of those and didn't think it was worth anything. Of course mine's not new either. Has one nick in the vinyl and a little rust, and has definitely seen some use. I suppose that means it's not worth much.

   RE:MISC:   What type of Brooks?? posted by David on 12/11/2002 at 7:47:48 PM
I'd be surprised if anyone knows the model number for this saddle. They were used on the lower end Sports models usually; Raleigh LTD, Robin Hood, Phillips, etc. I find them uncomfortable; too hard and small. Better ones (Raleigh Sports, Humber, Rudge, etc) usually had the Brooks B72 (my favorite), the leather one with the four single loop springs. B66, similar with 2 coil sprins, is often used on higher end models; DL1 or Tourist, Superbe, Super Tourer, etc. www.permaco.com (the US distributor for Brooks) has the current models for sale and pictured.

   RE:RE:MISC: What type of Brooks?? posted by J.M.Vernooy on 12/11/2002 at 8:44:30 PM
I didn't say they were valuable, just rare. They are rare as much because they don't last as that Brooks no longer makes them. As for the value, that's all in the buyer's mind. I didn't think a red and white vinyl Brooks mattress saddle would be worth much, but Ebay surprised me a few weeks ago. Someone bid too close to the price of a brand new Brooks B72 for me. Even though I am trying to get my 1960 Hercules Hawthorne back to it's near original condition, it made me think that a leather Brooks would be a better choice, especially if they cost about the same. One of the current leather Brooks saddles is nicer than the original Brooks vinyl saddle. But if someone comes up with one of those red and white vinyl Brooks saddles ... well maybe I'll have one saddle to ride and one to put on the bicycle for show or to take pictures. For comparison, we sell the Taiwan near copy of those vinyl Brooks mattress saddles for about $10.

   RE:MISC:   What type of Brooks?? posted by Ed on 12/12/2002 at 2:59:41 AM
I have a 1963 Hercules bought from the original owner in the summer of 2001. It is equipped with a red and white saddle. The bike is all original and I haven't thought much about selling any part of it, but if you are interested and have another saddle of equal value to trade contact me.

   RE:RE:MISC: What type of Brooks?? posted by J. M. Vernooy on 12/12/2002 at 4:33:40 AM
Don't break the set, keep that Hercules original. That's an AMF Hercules, isn't it? By then, I think, Hercules bicycles were being made by Raleigh in Nottingham, England. Raleigh had bought Hercules in 1960 and moved the production of Hercules bicycles from Birmingham, England to Nottingham, England. I think the 1961 model year was when the head badge showed that they were made in Nottingham instead of Birmingham. My 1960 was made in Birmingham and was sold through the Montgomery Wards company in the United States. It has the standard British threading for the bottom bracket and headset fittings instead of Raleigh's own standard.

AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by: Dennis on 12/11/2002 at 9:05:08 AM
I just bought a '71 Raleigh Superbe women's model. Wonderful condition. I live in an apartment and i don't have room but it was $8.50, so i had to get it. I had no choice in the matter. My friends are worried about me, but they let me store bikes at their homes. Yes im rambling, if you don't like it; go scroll! When i rode it, it seemed like the handlebars were in my lap. So i measured it, and i discovered that yep; chix bikes are smaller. 52cm center to center where the top tube would be if it were a men's. The men's is 56cm, that is 1.6 inches shorter. I measured it at an angle because the seat tube is 49cm center to top compared to a men's 53cm. I couldn't measure it straight across because i can't find my level because my apartment is filled with bicycles and bicycle parts. The men's bikes i compared it to are the Raleigh made Phillips and Hercules and the Sears/Steyr. I am around 5' 7" (a convenient size) and these bikes were made for me. So the question is: What do you tall (inconvenient sized) people do? Do you just raise the seat and stem as far as it will go? Is that why you like the DL-1? I have never seen a DL-1 in person. Would it be to big for me? I like to lean forward a bit, put more weight on the hands and take some off of the butt. After about 3 hours on a bike it matters. And no i'm not going to spend $100 on a Brooks saddle, for that i can get 11 Superbes. (in theory).
Also; on the Superb there is a steel platform thingy at the bottom of the head tube sticking out of the left side, below the lug. What is it for?
One last thing: Hey Christopher, do you want to know what color the Superbe is? A metallic brown, i call it root beer. What does Raleigh call this color?
Ok then,- Dennis

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Warren on 12/11/2002 at 1:44:27 PM
The DL-1/Tourist will be too big for you.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/11/2002 at 3:48:36 PM
Take a closer look at the "metal thingee" on the headtube. There should be three holes drilled in the underside of the tab, these are to recieve the lock piston. Now look at the the forks, there should be a lock on the left side of the fork, and on the right side there should be a chrome "dimple" There should also be a decal on or next to the metal tab saying "Do not ride cycle when key is in lock".

Of course Women's bikes are different then the Men's!

I did have a late 70's Women's Superbe that I stripped for parts, then re-built and gave away. I found the frame very flexy, but the riding position was great.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Dennis on 12/11/2002 at 6:35:01 PM
There is no lock, both sides have the chrome dimple. Maybe the fork was replaced. It has the stylized Rampar "R" at the top. Did '71 Superbs come with that? An early '70's LTD that i gave away didn't have it.
As for size; i just did the math, 22inches equals almost 56cm. My Raleigh Competition is 55cm and it fits but it has a fairly low bottom bracket and i need to get a stem with a shorter extention. Im guessing that 28" wheels are larger than 700c. So the DL1 is to big for me. This is the worst news i have ever heard.
Dennis-my other hobby is hyperbole

   DL-1's posted by David Poston on 12/11/2002 at 7:28:48 PM

Go for a DL-1. A 22" frame DL-1 would suit you fine. I am your same height, 5'7", and my DL-1 is just perfect. I even have one of those heavy duty saddles (a B33) with the coils and springs that raise it about 2-3 inches higher than a typical B72. No problem at all. I find with 21" framed Sports bikes I need to raise the saddle about 4-5 inches off the frame.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by David on 12/11/2002 at 7:32:59 PM
I'm 6' 3" and my lightweights are 24" or 25" frames. On my 23" Sports, I had to use an extra-long seat post to get my right saddle-to-pedal distance. On my 24" DL1, the stock seat post is at its max height. Here at work, I use a women's frame Sports for getting around and its sizing is very weird as you describe - bars too close, etc. But it's just for short distances, so WTH.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/12/2002 at 1:33:18 AM
As far as I know, ALL Superbes came with a locking fork, some kind of dyno-hub (usually a GH6) and a Brooks saddle, albeit in the '70's this would have been a Brooks vinyl one. These features were the only distinction between a Superbe and a Sport.
Now for some more detective work: Is there a Raleigh "Heron" light bracket on the head tube? If so,does it have scratches on the side where a light would have been clamped on? Are there extra cable clips on the frame which don't seem to accept brake cables, but more for lighting wires? Take a look at the seatpost bolt, is there a tiny copper plate with a rolled edge, clamped to the frame, made to accept the "ground" wire from the wiring harness? Are there scratches on the left seat stay where a taillight might have been mounted?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Chris on 12/12/2002 at 1:36:22 AM
Metallic brown is called Coffee.
Contact Sheldon Brown after looking thru his web site and/ or Vin here at OldRoads.com regarding extra long seat posts.

Yup, the tang with the holes is for a fork lock. Any good locksmith can cut you a key, be prepared to show some proof of ownership unless you want them looking at you funny.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Chris on 12/12/2002 at 1:45:36 AM
One day when I cannot get my leg over the bar I'll be riding a ladies or mixte frame. Yup, I'll be going out on a ladies mixte frame. But by them I'll have my pants pulled up to my waist like Old Biff from the future in Back to the Future 2.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Male vs female frame size posted by Chris on 12/12/2002 at 2:00:11 AM
Pants pulled up to the chin, I mean. Go see the movie, Back to the Future part 2 Yea, I'll look like old Biff.

MISC:   is there really a Brooks bike? posted by: Lincoln on 12/11/2002 at 3:02:21 AM
Saw local ad for a "Brooks" 3 speed. Wonder if there really is such a thing or if the advertiser is just reading the back of the seat?

   RE:MISC:   is there really a Brooks bike? posted by David on 12/11/2002 at 3:40:34 AM
That's my guess. And I also guess that it's a crummy mattress saddle.

AGE / VALUE:   YOU JUST GOTA SEE THIS ONE! posted by: sam on 12/11/2002 at 12:59:58 AM
This is where English roadesters begin.Go to "search the vintage bicycle picture database" look on the "find this make" for Ivel.YES,this is Ian's 1887 cross frame Ivel built by Dan Albone.Ian wrote me to say---The bicycle was found by Alan Brehaut of Timaru in the early 60s in the Winchester area.The bicycle was rescued of a local farmers rubbish dump.The main bar on the frame had been hacksawed through by the farmer to stop his children attempting to ride it as he considered it dangerous. The state of the wheels made this consern justified. It remained untouched until shipped to Ivan Backer of Oamaru in mid 1995.The consideration was a phillips radio pocket knife,Mr.Brehaut being into radios . Mr Barker restored the frame.Mr Fulton purchased the uncompleated project in 1996.---WOW!---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   YOU JUST GOTA SEE THIS ONE! posted by Warren on 12/11/2002 at 4:03:16 AM
A beautiful bike that looks fast as well.

Anyone who likes tol ook at the eary heritage of these bikes should pick up a copy of Pryor Dodges "The Bicycle". Yeah it's one of those glossy coffee table type books but it is full of stunning pics and information of the history of bikes...especially roadsters.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   YOU JUST GOTA SEE THIS ONE! posted by Brian on 12/11/2002 at 1:00:36 PM
What I really like from Pryor Dodge's book, are three pictures in particular-first, a great studio shot of "Major" Taylor in sepia-tone; pg.141, next, Mike Burrow's standing in front of Emmanuel College in Cambridge; pg.208, and that classic picture that sums up the relationship between the internal-combustion driver's attitude and the ever alert/wary bicyclist; pg.174.

MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by: Tim Powell on 12/10/2002 at 5:22:03 PM
I spotted this link on an Indian parts suppliers site. It seems that these people are importing Indian components and assembling them in the US. Knowing how much trouble you have in the USA finding parts for your machines, I thought this may be of interest. However, it does look too good to be true so if it's NBG, dont blame me.

   RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by Tim Powell on 12/10/2002 at 5:40:52 PM
Sorry, here's the link http://www.yellowjersey.org/EASTMAN.HTML

   RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by MR on 12/10/2002 at 7:13:01 PM
Ah yes! Those wacky, wicky, wicky-wacky Indian roadsters. Ride at your own peril sahib!
Wouldn't it be great to find a supplier of chaincases, rims, and mud guards so close by?

   RE:RE:MISC: News Flash: The Raleigh Tourist bicycle is back! The true heir from India! posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/10/2002 at 10:22:53 PM
It's available in a 24 inch frame, it's new in wrappings, the rims are straight and true and run wonderfuly. Not one dent anywhere on it, no dents in that enclosed chaincase.
It's shiny and new! The bottom bracket cups are new as is the spindle and bearings. All you folks here have original fixed cup bottom bracket cups in your bikes that have grooves and worn marks because you cannot find them new and if you did you can't get it out to replace it because of the screwed up tool situation with the Raleigh BB fixed cups.
This bike is all new, it's Raleigh Pattern with the old style fender braces! The price is right on too.
These are good bikes, this factory has Raleigh installed tooling. This is not a fall apart copy but the true blood heir to the Raleigh line.
The Folks at Yellow Jersey know what they are doing. This shop has a good reputation too.
This is what we all have been waiting for!
The re- birth of the 28 inch wheel rod brake roadster bicycle in America! It's not on a web screen any longer but here!
If you don't see the potential in this new arrival then stand back and just watch.
I sat there leafing through the Chasing Rickshaws book and dreamed about being able to see one of these in person.
Now it's here!
They will faint and then open up that checkbook, credit card, cash, whatever! and Bam! I have sold another one.
I'm very excited about this! Now all you good folks with the old school stuff should not feel threatened by this but excited at it's re- birth!

Hand them some catalog literature and ordering information next time! It sure beats telling them over and over that "No,It's not for sale" Do you know how many people I have had to tell "Sorry, No it's not for sale"? The come up jabbering in some foreign language and they go grabbing and touching my handlebar grips. I'm surrounded! They want my bike. FOUR SPEED! LOOK HE HAS A FOUR SPEED! With amazed eyes, they look at me like I'm a god! "Where did you get bicycle?" They say "How Much?" My mechanic can't believe that I sell it a week after that wheel was built. They could not believe that you could'nt just order one. Now you can!
They say "E- bay bah!" They ask: "How much is this bicycle right now!" They want the bike they see in front of them.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: News Flash: The Raleigh Tourist bicycle is back! The true heir from India! posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/10/2002 at 11:37:43 PM
Chris (or anyone) have you any opinions of another Punjaub based cycle manufacturer: Mangla Metal Industries?

I have been in contact with them regarding a whole range of spares and fitments. They are prepared to do custom work too. Excellent service so, instant replies to e-mails etc. Seem good people to work with. They make a Raleigh roadster too, Relbike, and a Phillips knock-off, Philman. I suspect all of the Punjaub outfits are about the same. Mangla has just been very, very responsive. Their Raleigh brake sets looks VERY Raleigh to me too.

I am ready to DO THIS. Soon. Tired of chasing bits and pieces and paying a fortune for them or shipping from England. I think a lot of others are too.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: News Flash: The Raleigh Tourist bicycle is back! The true heir from India! posted by Mucus on 12/11/2002 at 3:35:19 AM
Indian roadsters! Oh my! Really folks, take a deep breath, and slowly back away from the INDIAN roadsters. From my experience you will be very unhappy with these bikes. However, I suppose the mudguards, chaincases, and the odd spare part might be usable. The bikes are VERY VERY poor quality. Mine was corroded in the shipping box. The saddle had mildew on it 1/8 inch thick. The chrome on the parts and fittings was flash chrome and very poor. the springs on the saddle were not made of spring steel, and the first time I sat on it, the springs sacked out and became non-springs. The brakes were so poorly designed that it was IMPOSSIBLE to actually have any braking power(the lever on the tip of the handle had the mounting point for the rod in the MIDDLE so there was no mechanical advantage). The sprockets were slightly off center front and back so as you peddled the chain tightened, slackened, tightened, slackened.....I could go on but you certainly must get the point. Surprisingly the bike rode smoothly, and was just usable. The rims and tyres were nice. The hubs were junk, but I believe the rims would be a very good replacement for the Raleighs. If you can get them in 32 and 40, I'm down for a pair. I'd pass on the complete bikes though.

   RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by Tim Powell on 12/11/2002 at 9:41:32 AM
I agree, most Indian bikes are utter garbage. But non mechanical parts such as mudguards and chaincases should be Ok as long as you repaint properly with primer base coat and a couple of top coats. My reasoning was that if the Yellow jersey people import to the USA then it would be cheaper for you to ask them for a selection of spares. I live in the UK and it is relatively easy for me to get anything I want. Incidently that bike in the Ad you can get for $35 American in India.


   RE:RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by Ken on 12/11/2002 at 7:12:33 PM
I saw no indication on the yellow jersey that spares would be available. Besides, I have one of those Indian saddles (which sam brought in from Mexico!) and can't say much for the quality of manufacture. I agree that anyone trying to keep a DL-1 alive would be glad to part one of these out, but why buy a new bicycle with cottered cranks? Unless of course you relish conversations with passersby as Chris describes...

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by Chris on 12/12/2002 at 1:31:43 AM
With all the various companies making these some have got to be better than others. Exactly what brands from what companies and lets have company names and addresses too while we are at it. I hope I don't see a broad brush stroke that wipes out all these cycle makers and their products
from our minds.
Many of these companies make a wide range of products of decent quality. These companies built the modern business on the backs of these bicycles that they took over from Raleigh and T.I.
Just like the Dana Corporation did with Brown Brothers.
These folks have done the same thing, build on the sucess of the bicycles they offer.
Ok, some have had a bad experience and I don't want to tuck that under the rug but to simply learn and step away from those that let down and disappoint.
'Flash Chrome' makes me think of American car bumpers from the 1970's and 1980's.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1, the next generation posted by Chris on 12/12/2002 at 1:41:05 AM
What threading is the bottombrackets in these?

Otherwise, change seats, hubs, pedals, and keep the frame, fork, backstay, mudguards, keep the rims and tires.
Go to a Presta valve tube and chuck the woods valve tube.

Ok, lets seperate these companies and their bicycles into
stay away from and on ther other side of the paper lets tell what to go with and how to do it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   RAleigh DL-1 posted by Mucus on 12/12/2002 at 2:52:32 AM
Chris, I don't throw ANYthing away, especially bikes, and bike parts, but I recently tossed an Avon frame in the trash. Why? Because it was BAD... BEE AYY DEE I can't speak for ALL brand from India, however you can write off AVON, and ROADMASTER. These bikes were intended to sell for the equivelent of $15 US, and the ones I've seen are worth LESS. I would though very much like to know if anyone knows of any brands that are higher quality. I had a "Forever" (China)of similar design once, and to me it had a lot of points about it that were much nicer than the Indian bikes, especially the beautiful paint and silk screenings. If some could talk "Forever" into making just a few small changes, they would have a really acceptable roadster. They need better quality peddals, and screws, and a three speed hub(even a Shimano would do), and a 24 in. frame. I really liked mine after I made those changes, but the frame was too small. I think China is the way to go, even if I don't particularly like Communist made export goods.
We need more communication on this, any one else have something to add??

AGE / VALUE:   Parts retailer found posted by: David Poston on 12/10/2002 at 7:01:26 AM
Go here:


Scroll down and you will find a few English 3-speed parts, including rod brake blocks, a huge selection of 26" tyres (including Luna? brand with block tread and all), and more. This is a website that caters mostly to modern bike riders but carries a few 3-speed parts as well. Most of these parts appear to be good quality. One nifty find is a waterproof protective cover specifically made to fit Brooks saddles. The upside to this site is that they appear to have online ordering and plenty of inventory. The downside is that they are located in the UK, and you have to scroll through all the modern stuff to find anything, though the tyre selection is sure worth checking out.

I'll have to check into those Luna tyres.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Parts retailer found posted by Mucus on 12/10/2002 at 1:01:18 PM
Oh my, and they have 28 in. "Policemans" bike tyres for only 9 quid!

AGE / VALUE:   Front hub cone size posted by: David Poston on 12/10/2002 at 6:46:31 AM
I can't figure out which size cones I need for the front hub on my '65 Raleigh Sports. I've been told by my mechanic that they are pitted and need replacement, yet I've never seen them myself. Would it be 1/4" or 1/2" size? Has anyone worked extensively on front hubs?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Front hub cone size posted by Ben on 12/10/2002 at 2:24:57 PM
David, I think your best bet would be to get some good used ones from Chris or another on this list. Likely these have one "fixed" cone and the cones have that ridge that fits into the dropout, and these are hard to find at retail any more.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice kids' bikes posted by: David on 12/10/2002 at 4:14:23 AM
Nice boy's and girl's 24" Raleighs in Vancouver. It's hard to believe their estimate of $250 shipping, but...?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice kids' bikes posted by Mucus on 12/10/2002 at 7:15:53 PM
These bikes definately have 26 in. wheels. $125 is ridiculous for shipping!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Nice kids' bikes posted by David on 12/10/2002 at 9:23:06 PM
I suspect they really are 24". What was the model "Colt?" "Space Rider?" They have coaster brake hubs and the whole thing looks a little scaled down; some parts look a little outsized, like the reflector, chainwheel, etc.

AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt 3spd. male and female posted by: Gil on 12/9/2002 at 4:55:53 PM
I have a male and female Dunelt English 3spd. I purchased these new in the early '60s. Both bikes have been stored indoors but show some corrosion and have not been used in many years. I would like to know where I may be able to sell them and need some help as to value. Thank you for any assistance.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt 3spd. male and female posted by Stacey on 12/9/2002 at 6:04:27 PM
Ebay is the best place in my book. Where else can you get exposure to the world market for $0.30? Start them at $9.95 and sit back and watch the bids roll in. Let the market decide how much they are worth.

Or, you can have a yard sale and hope that someone will give you what you're asking instead of trying to beat you down to $25.00 for the pair.

Good, clear, detail pictures and a consice, accurate description are a must.

Or, you can have a yard sale and hope that someone will give you what you're asking instead of trying to beat you down to $25.00 for the pair.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt 3spd. male and female posted by Mucus on 12/9/2002 at 6:37:10 PM
Yes, eBay is the way to go. You probably won't get rich on these bikes, but you will probably have no problem selling them. You might want to wait 'till Spring??? Better demand then??? Can you describe them in more detail???

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent steel posted by: David on 12/9/2002 at 11:53:09 AM
Like so many here, I'm constantly picking bikes out of the trash and buying at yard sales. Most of the bikes are rerouted for free or low cost to good homes. I recently got a couple of 50s 21" Sports. Since I inspected them in the dark, the collision damage on one escaped me. It seems to ride ok, but the forks are bent back a little and the head is bent down with the usual slight kink in the down tube. Can this be fixed? Is it worth bothering? Should I try to pass this bike on anyway or just use it for parts?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent steel posted by Brian on 12/9/2002 at 12:56:42 PM
I've spoken to several excellent frame builder's/repairer's,
over the years, and they can certainly do the job of replacing tubes, etc. The reality is that unless the frame/bike is valuable, or collectable, it really is not cost effective to bother with. Keep any removable parts & photograph any unique-looking transfers from the frame before putting it back in the trash heap!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bent steel posted by Mark R. on 12/9/2002 at 3:10:39 PM
I would only use them for the parts. You could get someone hurt if the frame broke all the way. Law suit????

AGE / VALUE:   Bring back the black in those old Dunlops! posted by: David Poston on 10/12/2002 at 9:10:47 PM
After an exhaustive (and exhausting) bout of research on the internet over the past two months or so on compounds, cleaners, paint, polish, wax, etc., I think I am finally honing my restoration skills to a razor-sharp edge. Perhaps when I have the time, I can write an article on my new step-by-step method. (Of course, my restorative powers are confined to paint and chrome; mechanicals are still not my thing, save basic and routine adjustments).

My latest discovery: tyre restoration! Following a disastrous encounter with Bleche White on my old Dunlops and Raleigh Roadsters (it really did bleach my tyres, leaving some nasty greyish stains), I found the solution: "Forever Black." Unlike other dressings (e.g., Armorall and the like) which are silicone based, unsafe for cycle tyres, and wear off with time, this product is a permanent dye for rubber. It is supposed to last for about a year on automobiles, and that's plenty good enough for my Raleighs which don't see nearly as many miles as cars do. You'll need to clean your tyres first; I'd use Eagle One Tire Cleaner.

Here is the link:


By the way, the proprietor of this website responds promptly to e-mail and gave me lots of good advice on other products, too.

Get those Dunlops looking black again!


AGE / VALUE:   Off topic to David Poston posted by: sam on 12/8/2002 at 4:40:40 PM
David we have a project going that might be of some interest to you and you might lend your expertise in clothing to the group.http://bikerodnkustom3.homestead.com/wyman1.html

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Off topic to David Poston posted by David Poston on 12/9/2002 at 7:45:51 AM

Looks like an interesting project. I've only taken a cursory glance at the link so far. Sure, I could lend you whatever knowledge I have in the way of period clothing. Are you looking to outfit the riders in appropriate wear? Do you need a supplier or tailor? How much are you willing to spend? Let me know what kind of information you need, and what your involvement is in the project.

David, whose DL-1 is still recovering from a near-death experience.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Off topic to David Poston posted by David on 12/9/2002 at 3:38:51 PM
I've read the first few chapters. This is great stuff!

   It is great stuff! posted by sam on 12/9/2002 at 6:40:16 PM
Most history is written from memory,not this it was written in 1903 while he did the ride! I think team member Natalie Fix is reserching the clothing part.Contact her on this page http://bikerodnkustom3.homestead.com/wyman7.html Explain how you can help.I'm sure she will have questions to ask.Also Rif is team leader so might not hurt to also contact him .And thinks for the help---sam

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 12/8/2002 at 2:38:40 PM
Check this out!

AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 disaster! posted by: David Poston on 12/8/2002 at 7:47:32 AM
It seems I am always prone to disasters of one sort or another.

This morning, the sun shining bright, I dressed appropriately in a suit and hat and thought I would take a quick ride on my Dl-1, without bothering to make sure everything was together. Fatal mistake! I got about 100 yards, when I began to hear a loud screeching or squeaking sound, in conjunction with vibrations in my frame which I could feel up in my handlebars. Thinking it was simply squeaky saddle springs, I rode another 50 yards, but the noise continued, and I turned around for home. Dismounting, I gazed in horror at what I had done to my poor Dl-1. I had failed to bolt the rear fork to the chainstays! The loud screech was the sound of something being bent out of shape, either my seat tube flexing backward or my chainstays flexing upward. Frantically, I turned my cycle upside down and ripped off the wheels to get at the frame. I endeavored to put the rear fork back into place, but the gap between the seat tube and the chainstays had closed by about 1 inch. The only solution was to bend the chainstays downward, away from the seat tube. So what did I do? I grabbed the chainstays and pulled. Amazingly, I was able to squeeze the rear fork back onto the chainstays. I bolted it back up, and went for a ride. Bounced my full weight on the saddle to test for strength. Nothing budged. I am amazed. It looks like my DL-1 may have escaped unscathed from the incident. I think I will be leaving my rear fork in place from now on, and I'll think twice next time I jump on a bike!

I'm curious to know whether others have ever had such a foolish experience with their roadsters, and how these frames hold up to stress in such situations. Should I expect a cracked frame from this bike in the future, or do you guys think everything will hold? I am ashamed to admit to such a stupid error as this, but I suppose we all have our learning experiences. I only hope my DL-1 will forgive me this once.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 disaster! posted by Mark R. on 12/8/2002 at 2:37:25 PM
You're outta the club pal! You, you....why I never.....why we oughta...
Naaa :-) The bike will probably be fine! The miracle of mild steel. It sounds like you flexed it beyond the normal point where steel would recover without damage, but I would bet that it will be just fine. I bent my fork on my "Sports" riding the bike into the main gate at work, and even though it was like a pretzle, I managed to little by little bend it back into shape, and it has been fine for years. I'm sure the same applys to your frame.
Good luck!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 disaster! posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/8/2002 at 4:04:41 PM
My god David... I broke into a cold sweat just reading your latest escapade!! I must be missing something here-- I've been riding a DL-1 since 1978 and just missed all this excitment. Except for the time when I hit a tree limb which ripped out 80 per cent of my front wheel spokes and I still rode home 17 miles on it.

But yes as Mark reminds, this is toughest, most forgiving cycle in the world. If there's a Temple to Sheffield 2030 carbon steel tubing, you need to get there poste haste and make a suitable offering.... Marmite, Bovril, Yorkshire Tea, maybe Sturmey Archer oil.

P.C. Kohler, ready to call in Cycle Protective Services to David's house....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 disaster! posted by sam on 12/8/2002 at 4:31:06 PM
Now you know why these things were sold all over the world--little things like that just don't stop them.Bend it back in place and on your way to pick more bananas!

AGE / VALUE:   nice posted by: sam on 12/8/2002 at 2:36:11 AM
An old one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=744028375