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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:Sturmey-Archer Accessories posted by: Mike P on 12/4/2002 at 6:58:36 PM
Was digging through the local junk bike dealer's garage when I came across this (maybe '80's) Sturmey package. It's called a 'Trail Guard' and is labeled as being suitable for all internal hub bikes. It's sort of a small steel cage that covers the right axle nut/indicator chain to protect it from damage if the bike falls over, etc. Anybody ever use one of these, and what other kinds of things like this has Sturmey marketed?

   RE:MISC:Sturmey-Archer Accessories posted by Jacob on 12/5/2002 at 10:09:53 AM
I have a Motobecane Nomade with a Sturmey Archer five-speed hub, that I use mostly for longdistance rides during winter. This hub have indicatorchains in both sides, and one morning last winter I was suprised by ice on the road, and down I went. One of the indicatorchains broke when it hit the road, which is bad because they are getting harder to find and they are pretty pricey...
So,it would be nice to have a couple of these steel cages you mention, Mike.
I did not know that SA made them, but my sons MTB, which is equipped with an internal-geared Sachs-hub, have a protective device similary to this. I wonder, if this would fit the SA-hub. I'm gonna check...


   RE:RE:MISC:Sturmey-Archer Accessories posted by Chris on 12/5/2002 at 9:28:28 PM
Trail - guard: Yes, it's supposed to protect the indicator chain if the bike falls over. Never mind the thing is heavy and that a simple and already done solution was to fit the plastic cap over the indicator nut. Older versions of the plastic cap were alloy metal and these are hard to find.
I was not too thrilled to find a couple of these back then and I remember saying "Ok, What else do you have in there by Sturmey- Archer?"

Still.for the derailer bikes these days you would be surprised how many new bikes lack this feature and with a derailer bike you really need this little device.

   RE:MISC:Sturmey-Archer Accessories posted by Mike P on 12/6/2002 at 3:59:36 AM
Well, the attraction for me was that this doodad might help the beater fend off a pretty hard knock to the hub area. Have you ever gotten your bike out of a crowded rack or found that someone else has chained their bike to the same post? There have been times where I thought the things were mating, they were so stuck together... XMart pedals jammed in your Nottingham spokes, etc. And then there is the occasional fall... I agree it wouldn't be appropriate for a correct restoration, or even desirable on a clean Sunday Special, but for an ordinary commuter or grocery-getter, I'll take all the ounces of prevention I can get. Jacob, if you had one of these when you went down, trust me, it would've been no big deal. Good luck, and will let you know if I find any more. Also, just a thought, but I wonder if Shimano may have produced something like this for their internal hubs?

MISC:Ladies' brakes in the cold posted by: David on 12/4/2002 at 11:34:12 AM
I keep a ladies' Hercules Sports at work to carry me up and down the hill from the bus stop. Now that the weather has turned cold, the rear brake is very reluctant to release. Is this likely to be ice in the bottom of the cable loop? Would substituting a fulcrum clip and pulley work better?

   RE:MISC:Ladies' brakes in the cold posted by Mucus on 12/4/2002 at 1:19:22 PM
Sounds like you need to lube, and loosen everything a bit.

   RE:MISC:Ladies' brakes in the cold posted by Warren on 12/4/2002 at 1:32:04 PM
A big problem with the rear brakes on Ladies models is the way the cable routes downward from the caliper and allows water to collect in the the housing. There was a plastic cap that would seal the top ot the caliper on these brakes but they often disappeared.

Change the rear cable and housing...slather the cable with grease in that area and I like to take some oil and fill up that rear housing as best as I can. Do this once before every winter.

   RE:RE:MISC:Ladies' brakes in the cold posted by Ken on 12/4/2002 at 6:39:02 PM
I think the pulley idea is a good one. Cables routed that way always rust up at the bottom. If you're really not going for style points, you could run a cable (with full-length housing) to the top of the brake as though it were a 'gents'. Otherwise, as Warren says, expect to fix it regularly. If you do a pulley, let us know how it goes.

MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by: P.C. Kohler on 12/4/2002 at 2:18:49 AM
Sorry for the Off-Topic posting but I think there are enough devotees of everything English here to make this of potential interest to some of our American roadsterers.

Turner Classic Movies are running their first ever Ealing Studios Festival starting Thursdays through December: 17 films and a new documentary on the British studio best remembered for such films as "Passport to Pimlico", "Kind Hearts and Coronets", "The Cruel Sea" etc. and made stars of Alex Guiness, Jack Hawkins etc. And what made an Anglophile of me at a very early age! And more than a few passing shots of English cycles, motorcars, trolleybuses...


P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/4/2002 at 2:28:13 AM
Bloody hell... let's get the man's name spelt right: Alec Guinness

P.C. Kohler, embarassed...

   RE:RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by David Poston on 12/4/2002 at 6:08:44 AM
Looks intriguing, Peter. Alas, I don't have cable TV (hell, I don't even watch TV period)! These look like interesting movies, but all, of course, far before my time. I must abashedly (or should I say unabashedly) that my familiarity with film begins around the 1990's. I suppose the old classics are alright as well, I just never could quite bear the cramped sets and often stilted acting and sometimes stale cinematography. I will proudly confess, though, that I gravitate towards British acting. All of my favourite actors are either British or Australian, I believe. Period movies in an English setting or period movies with British actors I can't resist. Just take an actor like Ralph Fiennes (Wuthering Heights, English Patient), for example. (My favourite actor, by the way). There is simply no comparison with American Hollywood acting, though he's never gotten half the recognition he deserves. Everything here (well almost) is about entertainment, while the British have understood the true nature of film-making as an art.

Keep up the OT posts on British film!


   RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by Tim Powell on 12/4/2002 at 9:29:54 AM
Oh Dear, I saw these films at the Cinema in my youth! I must be getting old. Never mind I still ride around on my roadsters and the devil take the 21st century.



   RE:RE:RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by Brian on 12/4/2002 at 2:39:13 PM
Now, David let's be nice! There are some really fine American actor's out there. Most of them have passed on though! Being a yankee doodle myself I can be fair enough to admit that there are many fine British actors, and I'll take a rerun of a Hitchcock film any day over the rubbish that passes for mystery-films in these times. As an aside: Does anyone else enjoy "Breaker Morant" as much as I?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by Tim Powell on 12/4/2002 at 4:08:44 PM
A fine film, Woodward is a great actor. The true story of Morant is however even more exiting. http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/rkfadol/breakermorant.htm

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/4/2002 at 5:21:15 PM
Watch Hitchcock's "Suspicion" (1941?): his first film done in Hollywood USA. Set in "England", shot in California. Lots of bicyles. The ones used in front of the camera are authentic and gorgeous brand new Raleighs, but if you look closely, others are American clunker coaster bikes. You'll also see this in Hitchcock's "Foreign Correspondent" in the "Holland" set. Somewhere there are a dozen or more c. 1939 Raleighs gathering dust in some Hollywood prop warehouse....

P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by Ward Davis on 12/6/2002 at 12:39:04 AM
Really like this sight and Rollbritannia.How about the old Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone. I seem to remember a bike or two in those flicks.The 20th and so far the 21st centuries stink,except for the new line of slacks by Docker's, "nipplepants"!

   RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by Ward Davis on 12/6/2002 at 12:41:19 AM
Really like this sight and Rollbritannia.How about the old Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone. I seem to remember a bike or two in those flicks.The 20th and so far the 21st centuries stink,except for the new line of slacks by Docker's, "nipplepants"!

   RE:MISC:Off Topic: Ealing Studios Film Festival posted by Ward Davis on 12/6/2002 at 12:42:26 AM
Really like this sight and Rollbritannia.How about the old Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone. I seem to remember a bike or two in those flicks.The 20th and so far the 21st centuries stink,except for the new line of slacks by Docker's, "nipplepants"!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Maybe you can use.. posted by: Brian on 12/3/2002 at 9:30:56 PM
Maybe you need these Ebay items? Go to item #1977288184 & then check my other seller's items too.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Maybe you can use.. posted by Warren on 12/4/2002 at 12:29:18 AM
Maybe you could include the complete URL and a better description of what you want to sell. Makes it easier for a potential buyer to quickly get to your itemas well as being good "netiquette"

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Maybe you can use.. posted by David on 12/4/2002 at 11:52:27 AM
Like this:
Fork, saddle, etc

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Maybe you can use.. posted by Brian on 12/4/2002 at 8:36:09 PM
Thank you gentleman for your advice, I'll keep it in mind for the next time.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules bicycles posted by: Ron Stem on 12/3/2002 at 5:16:27 PM
I located and am in the process of reconditioning an AMF
era Hercules, S/N 3731696. Can anyone out ther porvide more info on this particular era of this marque? My original bike was a '60 curved top tube Hercules in a crandberry red metallic finish. Could anyone out there provide me with some additonal infro on the marque and the possibility of locating a '60 26" mens model.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules bicycles posted by sam on 12/3/2002 at 5:51:31 PM

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:My Personal Raleigh 1954 posted by: Mario Romano on 12/3/2002 at 3:39:17 PM
My Raleigh have the following specs:
WHEELS....: 32/40-spoke Dunlop 28" wheels
SADDLE....: Brooks B-90/3 heavy duty springs model
BRAKES....: rod brakes, internal grip
SPEED.....: single-speed model
CHAINGUARD: hockey stick style, fully enclosed braze-ons

I have too an Kustomized 1956 Rudge-Whitworth with sky blue/glare white paintwork, 26" whitewall tires and Falcon's coaster-brake.

M.Romano - Brazil

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rod Brake Fork for Sale posted by: Karl Eicher on 12/3/2002 at 7:17:24 AM
Howdy folks,
I hope that this is ok to do here. I have a rod brake fork for sale on ebay, starting at $20. No bids as of yet. I think that it takes a 27 inch wheel. My usual interest is vintage lightweights, and early mountain bikes, but this item is passing through my hands. I can not tell you the manufacturer. Auction number is 1976629775.
Thanks, Karl Eicher

AGE / VALUE:   Sorry, no can get, no, not here posted by: Chris on 12/2/2002 at 7:43:37 PM
A front Shimano Nexus dyno-hub combined with a most excellent front disc brake( or is it a drum?) anyways... Is made (but not sold in or possible to be gotten ahold of in) in the States here.
I close the book, my head hurts, I have a headache, I shook her hand and smiled and left for the day. I have heard way more than I care to know. My naieve, honest, well intentioned little questions have bitter, ugly, and senseless( at least to me) answers to them. It's a complicated, interwoven, huge, scarry, political and probably in some other way also, a mess.

What really bites is that when the cool, refined, products finally are made, all we get to see here in the U.S. are the pictures in a catalog and then not soon after, that has changed and then nothing. This is stuff we'd love to buy and be riding.
Everybody rips on you for living in the past, staying in the 50's or 60's or 70's or whatever litle smitch in time you find warm and interesting and groovy to be hanging in. Then the future is here, the new products are here,( from lands with cheap labor costs or for whatever reasons) it is that the stuff is modern, and all the bugs over 100 years have been worked out. It looks awesome to the eyes, you hear this or that from somebody who remotely has had the chance to ride it and then you find out that you cannot get ahold of it?
Yes, the present scene has really neat things in the current catalogs. Futuristic (finally!) drawings and then a real working and able to be ordered and paid for and ridden by the cycling public, bike. That $1800.00 dollar job was way cool. First question was: Yes, but can you actually get it here or is that gonna be like the Shimano Nexus front brake/dynohub combination?
Some of the other hubs were not available either? Have to check to be sure! Or else the only way is to buy a whole bicycle and then remove the transmission hubs or whatever you want and thats going a really long route around to skin a cat and then also you are thwarting somebody's intentions and that is not probably cool either. I have enough trouble finding the old stuff. The obsolete, passed by, antique-ish and forgotten or ( some folks wish it was all forgotten stuff!) that I like without going through, or faced with the question of "Do I want to go through it at all?" problem in ordering and buying the new things from companies that already have been here making money off of the cyclists here for some time. It's like some of the neatest stuff is behind a little beaded doorway and it's all in a room that is off limits. Well, off limits to just you particular fellows. Not because it's something bad, or that you don't have enough money or an age issue, it's simply because you live in a particular part of the world that does not want to let you have it. I say "It's just a stupid bicycle part were talking here!" I'm amazed at this in the first place! They do this crap with new medicine revelations too, so this is nothing really compared to that.
That's a slap in the face of every modern, no fooling around, I commute on this bike and I really serriously ride my bike, type bicycle folks. A slap in the face to every cyclists here in the U.S. Now if I pull out one of my 40 year old books and ask for this or that they are going to smile at me and humor me and somebody will say something about how I need to get with the modern times. That that company and everything they offered is all gone and done with now. Only this is the 2001 and 2002! The current catalog! Not some old yellowed vintage bike, wish book. I wanted to take the new catalog and sling it across the room when she told me I cannot get this hub or that hub. This was just the hub section, (the rest of it, at least for now) is still easily available. Unless this situation, (with whatever exactly is behind it) decides to change and worsen. Now of course, I did not sling the new catalog, that wouldn't help. I enjoyed seeing it and knowing the old stuff situation, It was a neat and interesting treat to see the updates to this or that old, already done concept. I should not be hearing that now you cannot get it here. I'm holding a new catalog, in a new, hip, compettivive shop. Were talking new, off the shelf, right off the boat, merchandise not old, used, 2 nd hand bikes or parts. That madness of: can we get this or that should only be seen when it's old, out of date stuff is what were messing with.
The current scene and the future scene should be easy and smooth and painless. The old stuff they say you cannot get parts for it and we cannot repair it, too time consuming. However with the new, currently in production items that is all the rage and in vogue type stuff they are saying (and hopefully will not be saying) is Well, we cannot order it here in the U.S. and if we did get it, we could not repair it because today it's not repairable by nature. Waiting 2-5 years for something from the manufactuer is not acceptable either.
Myself? because I don't commute by new, modern bicycle (mostly) It is not an issue. I like the old school, collectable stuff that I have tools for and can understand and it's what I like. So I'm happy. But dropping out of warp and taking a peek at the present time and the new innovations and catalog offerings and finding out that certain things are unavailable is not a nice discovery. It's not right. But that's the way it is, and the way it is going to be. There is nothing I can do about it anyways. My interests are not really in the new stuff and that is a shame, they say. The more questions you ask, the more you learn and finally unravel and understand the more you are gonna shake your head and marvel at how screwed up things are.
So the door to the future is slammed shut in your face. You'll be happy with whatever we say you'll will and you will consider that to be modern and the latest thing but in reality the latest thing is something you'll never ever see but perhaps when your daughter is a grandmother, she will.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sorry, no can get, no, not here posted by sam on 12/3/2002 at 12:54:55 AM
28"x 1&1/2"alum.rims drilled for 36holes,had to drive almost to Mexico City to buy rims made in OHIO!----sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sorry, no can get, no, not here posted by edgarecks on 12/3/2002 at 5:30:25 PM
Here's a British shop that claims to sell dynohubs: http://www.sjscycles.com/store/vIndex.htm. Don't know about shipping to the U.S., etc.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sorry, no can get, no, not here posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/4/2002 at 12:06:23 AM
Too many lawyers in the U.S., and to introduce any new item usually means a big marketing push(big bucks). So much easier to quietly introduce new stuff in your own backyard, and if it sells, then market it overseas.
On a different note, it seems that Mr. Read of Pheonix Hub gears has a "BG6" a combined GH6 and front hub. Seems he just slices up two hubs and sticks them together. And why not? The hub dimensions are the same. Maybe if I'm lucky Santa will give me a metal lathe for Christmas, and I'll try one out for myself....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sorry, no can get, no, not here posted by Chris on 12/5/2002 at 9:47:58 PM
I will have to post the the mathmatical equasions and technical gobblygook that was necessary to have to lace the Shimano Nexus Dyno hub into my Raleigh 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rim. I'll have to post that here, watch for it. In case any of youse guys wanna lace one of these into the front wheel of one of your D.L.1.'s
So far, I still think I am the only one to have done this with the Shimano Nexus Dynohub. Everybody else who has one of these is using it like god intended, in a new modern aluminum wheel.
Stainless steel spokes and when I left there was a problem with the spoke machine.

FOR SALE: posted by: Ken on 12/2/2002 at 7:37:29 PM
I would like to sell Mom&Dad's ca. '77 Raleigh Sports three-speeds, hers with S3C coaster. Also, a men's Livingstone made in the Netherlands with a '55 Sturmey-Archer 3-speed, complete and rideable but showing its age. I'll send pictures on request. The two Raleighs are Nottingham and except for tires are equipped as when they left the dealer; this is probably true of the Livingstone also but I know the Raleighs' provenance. I'm in northern Illinois.

AGE / VALUE:   Strange later day Raleigh Royal Roadster( Tourist DL1) posted by: Chris on 12/2/2002 at 7:34:49 PM
This color catalog sheet mailing piece that I recieved from Raleigh in 1980 shows the Raleigh Tourist DL1 was re- named Royal Roadster and instead of the usual 28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rims the bike has 28 inch Raleigh pattern rims the same type pattern rim as on the 26 inch wheel Raleigh Superbe only these rims were larger (28's) and these were being used with the rod brakes of the 28 inch wheel bike. Everything else was the same parts, paint, enclosed chaincase everything else the same except the new name and the rims. So what exact year Raleigh Phased out the lng standing Westwood rim in favor of these I don't know.
I always have thought that the Raleigh pattern rim or Westrick as it is also called was only made in the 20, 24 and 26 inch sizes but this catalog sheet shows these in the 28 inch size too. The bike still uses the Semperet Raleigh Roadster tire as used on the 28 inch wheel Westwood rims. So it appears the same tire interchanged

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Strange later day Raleigh Royal Roadster( Tourist DL1) posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/2/2002 at 8:22:52 PM
This explains why Raleigh sent me the wrong flippin' wheel when I ordered a ton of parts from Nottingham c. 1992!! It was the 28" Westrick. Useless. But and a big but, the Westwoods were indeed supplied to the end on machines shipped to North America. At least everyone that I've seen. And the name remained "Tourist" to the end of the export era too.

Note that the Dutch still supply 28" Westwicks and these are common to machines there.

Why Raleigh Industries did not simply make their Westricks common for all wheel sizes is a puzzle.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Strange later day Raleigh Royal Roadster( Tourist DL1) posted by Chris on 12/3/2002 at 1:23:30 AM
The Westrick or Raleigh pattern offers a slightly reduced braking surface for the Westwood or roller leaver commonly called rod brake shoes. You have to have that little u shaped bracket thingie adjusted right on.

I have no experience with these particular 28 inch rims but I would wonder if there was any diffrence noticed?

No, the Westrick rim is best suited for Superbes and those were 26 inch wheel bikes. Yes, right up to 1980 (or 1981 if the shop had old inventory) was the Westwood rim offered on the Raleigh Tourist.

AGE / VALUE:looking for greener pastures posted by: Chris on 12/1/2002 at 8:16:30 PM
Where in the world will I find more old bicycles being thrown out? England? Perhaps someplace in the U.S.? Maybe Brazil? Where are these still plentiful and easier to find? I gotta move! Another two estate sales and no bicycles! That's it! Never finding old bikes these days. This areas all played out. A dry hole! That's it. I'm leaving, but where to go? Hmmmm.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:looking for greener pastures posted by Ken on 12/2/2002 at 7:17:22 PM
Well Christopher, your pond has had a really big fish feeding in it for a long time... no wonder the minnows are few and far between:)
I keep a log of my finds and it seems like there will be long dry spells, and then once in a while a good day.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:looking for greener pastures posted by Ian on 12/3/2002 at 8:10:14 AM
I have said it before and I will say it again 'cos I know it works - If you want to find a whole lot of new bikes at great prices then build a new shed that is only just big enough for the bikes you have now!

AGE / VALUE:Enclosed chaincase pie plate alert posted by: Chris on 12/1/2002 at 8:11:21 PM
Enclosed chaincase pie plate alert:
Yes, the part you may be missing is being offered on earth, on the web!
E- bay item #742570524
3 antique Raleigh, Sunbeam bicycle crank covers

Not my auction, no relation to seller. One day, when the '
'location' given is another planet besides Earth, my questions like: "Where did all this stuff disappear to? will be answered!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Enclosed chaincase pie plate alert posted by David on 12/1/2002 at 11:42:25 PM
But two of the little sliding doors must have fallen off in orbit!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh finally close posted by: Catfood Rob on 12/1/2002 at 6:48:15 PM
Raleigh finally closed its doors for the very last time while you guys celebrated Thanksgiving.
All the employees have gone, except the management, and the last factory on Triumph road has closed for good.
Raleigh will now sell bikes built in the far east, but plans are afoot to spoke up wheels in the U.K. for top end bikes...but not in Nottingham.
A sad day for an English business that has been producing bikes for a century.
At least the brand "Raleigh" survives...for now.
Full details and news stories are on www.RaleighChopper.info in the history section.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh finally close posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/2/2002 at 3:57:32 AM
28 November 2002: A Day Which Will Live In Infamy.

Raleigh Triumph Road Works, R.I.P.

But not without a word of thanks to all those Raleigh men and women who gave us Best of British and made us proud to Ride Awheel on Sheffield Steel.

P.C. Kohler, sad to see The Heron fly off to Asian Skies

AGE / VALUE: posted by: Mucus on 12/1/2002 at 4:37:11 PM
I have a ladies Raleigh roadster frame, no fork, that I'd like to move along. Anyone want it? $10 and postage, which would be about $8 so figure $18. If anyone wants it lemme know before I toss it.

MISC:fatter tires posted by: Lincoln on 12/1/2002 at 2:04:26 AM
Are there somewhat wider tires one can put on English 3 speed wheels? (which are, I think, 590mm at the bead). Need to get bike that'll go on packed sand and gravel and 3 speeds are common.