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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Nice Herc on ebay posted by: Warren on 12/8/2002 at 12:39:36 AM

This is a sweet bike...I have the same one except mine was missing the the BSA hub and shifter. Really relaxed angles...my wife loves to ride this one...so do I because DL-1's are generally too tall for my 28 1/2" inseam. The chrome looks great and I think it's all there. Looks like a Lucas King-of-the-Road bell as a bonus. Great bike for $179 (buy it now)

No affiliation blah blah

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Nice Herc on ebay posted by Warren on 12/8/2002 at 1:32:06 AM
The more I look at it, the more I like it. That B72 hasn't seen many butts in it's day. It puts mine to shame.

AGE / VALUE:PEDAL RUBBERS FOUND posted by: Pete on 12/7/2002 at 7:49:48 PM
Hello All I have found a source of 4inch pedal rubbers, which are made in a correct pattern for old British roadsters.They can be ordered on the late John Pinkertons site.
The site is very out of date or obvious reasons. The rubbers
were made from a fund dedicated to his son David who died in a sidecar racing accident on the Isle of Mann several years ago. If you have any problems ordering, let me know and I will contact the Family http://www.users.mwfree.net/'pinkertn/spares.html

   RE:AGE / VALUE:PEDAL RUBBERS FOUND posted by David on 12/7/2002 at 11:09:45 PM
As usual, in the URL above, substitute a tilde for the single quote preceding pinkertn; that's the wiggly mark on the shifted key to the left of the 1/! key on most keyboards.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:PEDAL RUBBERS FOUND posted by Brian on 12/7/2002 at 8:49:07 PM
Thanks for the most useful info. I ran across that site a while back, and could not remember how to get there again.

MISC:SA hub Q posted by: David on 12/6/2002 at 5:42:07 PM
Are the shells of all the commoner hubs (AW,FW,S5,S5-2, etc) interchangeable, at least the shell itself (not the ends)?

And is the left-hand ("near-side?") end left- or right-hand threaded?

   RE:MISC:SA hub Q posted by David on 12/7/2002 at 12:41:03 AM
Well, the official exploded drawing tells me the answer to one of my Qs; the LH end of the shell doesn't come off! But can someone answer regarding the interchangeability of the AW, FW, S5, S5-2 hub shells?

   RE:RE:MISC:SA hub Q posted by Jeff R on 12/7/2002 at 2:57:05 AM
You can interchange the AW, FW,and S5 shells and hubs. The end of the shell does come off. The FM and FC hub cannot be interchanged with the others unless you change the end cap or ball cup.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   SA hub Q posted by Chris on 12/7/2002 at 10:00:11 PM
The ball cup ends of the F.M. and F.C. hub can be replaced but that today is not easy. One needs a rare, special tool that interlocks into the gear teeth from the inside of the hub and then also you need the new part to screw into the hub shell.The ball cups for the F.C. and F.M. hub are not the same as and therefore not interchangable with the A.W. F.W. A.M. and probably some others.
The later day Sturmey- Archer hubs the ones that came after the type with the flats for use in the vise type are punched into the hub shell and therefore can be punched out and a new one can be punched in. You really have to give it a strong Thwack! That's what I have done without a problem but I don't want to go recommending that others do that because I have not actually seen anybody say you can do this. Actually, I prefer the older types with the flats on the ball cup where you use a large wrench or in the vise. Also the alloy shells were never made far enough into the new more recent ball cup versions.
I think the threading with the F.M. AND f.c. Hubs is diffrent anyways so even if you were able to get those cups out it still would not work.
Ask Tony Hadland he would know. Hadland.net or type in Tony Hadland's website

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by: P.C. Kohler on 12/6/2002 at 3:27:29 AM
OK lads.... a shilling for every reason this so-called "1971 DL-1" on e-Bay is simply nothing of the kind...


And the seller says he's a bicycle mechanic.. he's not going anywhere near me Rudges..

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by Warren on 12/6/2002 at 1:10:42 PM
You've gotta like the way he improvised...turning the lamp bracket upside down to hold that traditional roadster reflector. Odd bike really...it does say Roadster on the chainguard. Likely made for some small specific market in the last 20 years.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by Mucus on 12/6/2002 at 1:40:38 PM
You can't blame him, it DOES say roadster on the chain guard! He may have made an honest mistake. How would someone who know until he was told by someone who did know(which I did).

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/6/2002 at 3:39:10 PM
No, I wasn't saying he was dishonest.. merely misinformed. But I was wondering when we'd reach "Chopper" status with DL-1s whereby any black three-speed which says "roadster" (which of course no DL-1 ever did) is magically elevated to a DL-1 status.

Anyway, how can you complain at $25! It would have been more amusing had it had a $1500 starting bid or a reserve. But we've already seen that before.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by David on 12/6/2002 at 5:55:37 PM
It's much more recent than 1971; it has one of those black plastic thumb shifters. There's no lamp bracket - it's just a reflector bracket. Does anyone know what's painted on the top tube?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by David on 12/6/2002 at 5:56:52 PM
It's much more recent than 1971; it has one of those black plastic thumb shifters. There's no lamp bracket - it's just a reflector bracket. Does anyone know what's painted on the top tube?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by Ed on 12/6/2002 at 8:51:47 PM
I never remember seeing a three speed Sprite before, but thats what this bike looks like to me,also the printing on the top tube looks like it may say Sprite.I would guess it to be twelve to fifteen years old. Definitely not a DL1 in my opinion, however this is all speculation on my part.
Best wishes to all for a happy holiday season. Ed.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by Warren on 12/7/2002 at 2:08:02 AM
You're right about the non-lamp bracket David. One other interesting note...this Raleigh frame doesn't have the fender braze-ons directly behind the axle...where they should be. Blasphemy!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/7/2002 at 2:33:27 AM
It's a conspiracy.... all this talk which I started on this bike and what happens... I see one just like it chained to the lamppost on the way to work!!

DL-1 my ****; this is a Huffy with an AW hub and little if anything else Raleigh about it. A real cheesy Sports rip-off. I couldn't bear a more detailed perusal of the thing. Breaks ones heart to see the Heron's Crest (which in inself is a clunky plastic thing glued on!) on this. Eeechhh.

More encouraging: walking home the other day and seeing an absolutely immaculate English three-speed, possibly a Phillips or Hercules with dynohub lighting, the works, cycling by. Perfect. Proud. Well-loved. Love to see REAL English mounts on the road like this and obviously another enthusiast here in Washington.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by Dean on 12/7/2002 at 11:32:48 AM
Weird-given one last week-never saw one before.
Hub dated 11 79, 'ruffleigh' like an LTD-3. Not worth
the time to pack & ship!
Cheers, Dean

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Mutton Dressed as Lamb posted by J. M. Vernooy on 12/9/2002 at 1:11:57 PM
Could that "roadster" be one of those Raleighs that was licensed to be manufactured in the U. S.? If so, isn't it Raleigh's fault that he's calling it a roadster? The seller is only listing what is on the decals of that "roadster". Looks like the top tube decal says 3 speed.

AGE / VALUE:A question answered posted by: sam on 12/6/2002 at 2:14:31 AM
Lone ago in a post by chistopher he ask the question"what's the sprocket for?"seems he had found a box of old skip tooth american sprockets,one of which fit a sturmey archer!So what american hub had the same thread size as the english?No answer came.The question forgotten.Now on ebay I see a campy skip tooth sprocket.Made for early track hubs.Thinks Christopher for the question---sam,still learning

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A question answered posted by Humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/7/2002 at 10:18:38 PM
I picked up so much of this stuff. I paid for it, lugged it home and I'm still ignorant about the threadings used. Only one cog out of all the others fit and because I sat there on the old wooden frozen floor with a cold (finally numb) butt and dillagently sat there and tried to thread each cog onto the threaded Sturmey-Archer driver I brought from home. I have milk crates full of all kinds of hub innards. Eclipse hubs, strange skip tooth stuff. Many older American hubs were threaded with the sprockets and the drivers. I finally just bought it all. But only one is threaded in the exact size and pitch or whatever as the Sturmey Archer threaded drivers. All the other threads are old Bendix, Morrow, Eclipse, and all the other ancient weird stuff. I couldn't just buy what was going to make money on e- bay and leave the rest could I? No. I had to go and fall in love with this stuff and even desire to re- build stuff. I threw myself into "old hub land"
Track thread is English thread at least this stuff interchanges over the years. I wish I could clue you in further but I don't know. Ask Sheldon or keep asking from time to time. You want to find out eaxctly what thread pitch the Sturmey-Archer threaded drivers and threaded cogs was and ask and look for threaded skip tooth cogs with that thread pitch. Sturmey-Archer made skip tooth cogs for use with their old hubs. That
's old stuff, we rarely see. Ask P.M Read in England and the decal dude, Nick Tithecloth at Nick at LLoyds for help in finding what you are looking for.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:The Great British Bike Weekend 2003 posted by: Ward Davis on 12/6/2002 at 12:51:25 AM
Ilive near Philadelphia so I'm going. Anybody else know about this and are you planning to attend?

   Yeah! in about 6 months. posted by Ray on 12/6/2002 at 2:46:50 PM
The BBW is in April. It is a blast and the swap meet is pretty cool also. The vintage bike ride is always a favorite.

MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by: B. Sane on 12/5/2002 at 11:25:50 PM
Mad dogs & Englishmen or Old Ladies and Mental Patients ? First & foremost, this is a great Board. I've learned so much about English Roadsters, and have been stunned by the generosity of the good people I've met via this board, that it's a shame that i have to scroll through posts of sheer blathering posted by old ladies - David Poston - and mental patients - Chris Humber or Robin, before I can get to posts worth reading. Poston - your bike will work much better when your pants are not worn at nipple-height. Chris - your medication needs to be adjusted. Give it a break guys, and leave space for the folks who have something of value to share.

   RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by B. Real on 12/6/2002 at 6:11:17 AM
If you are going to post in a derogatory fashion about members on this board, you might as well submit your real name, as well as qualify or justify your criticism, rather than result to "ad hominem" name-calling.

B. Real

   RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Mucus on 12/6/2002 at 1:45:11 PM
Oh my God! Just wait 'till you see a post about ALCOHOL! These guys, none of them, are nuts maybe a little eccentric, but they are all sane! We are like a big family where you have every type of personality you can imagine. Well, maybe Chris is....naaa He's cool. You gotta loosen up!

   RE:RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Cal on 12/6/2002 at 3:40:01 PM
I look forward to Chris' postings. His "stream of consciousness" style is entertaining as well as informative. Keep it up Chris.

   RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Matthew on 12/6/2002 at 6:43:58 PM
Well Folks if this posting was an attempt at humour it was slightly wide of the mark. If it was meant to be unkind then it was unnecessary. Could we please stick to the general area of cycles and cycling and keep away from, insults, religion and politics. After all those three subjects aren't what we look here for, I'm sure there must be other sites where you can discuss them.
take care on the wintry roads and ride safely, well lit and protected.
Matthew - an eccentric Englishman ( slightly off the normal axsis)

   RE:RE:MISC:   Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/7/2002 at 10:40:40 PM
Ok, I'm back in my magic lamp and it's back on the shelf. I'll be a good Djin from now on, I promise.
In the 1950's and 1960's advice was dispensed from magazine articles written by folks called Centaur, The Owl and "the Lightweight man"
The Lightweight man made waves and often had critics I just have been a little too wild and silly.

   RE:RE:MISC: He issued a challange to all, as he rode out of sight posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/8/2002 at 7:40:47 PM
I never have posted anything on the I- Bob board so whatever there that you saw that got you ruffled up was not anything of mine.
As for me, I can take a hint and a break too. Be good to David Poston! he does not deserve being insulted, he's been just fine!

If you really want to help this site, try to dig up some new names and find the old school bike people who can teach, and inform the group of stuff and so the site will be a place where it's the hopping place to be. Ok, You can clean! but can you cook and build? Besides, P.C. Kohler is doing excellent work here and he never rambles on like I have either.
If you need me, hollar. humberchristopher28@hotmail.com

   RE:RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Marty on 12/7/2002 at 12:19:26 AM
I'll have to say that this is my first entry onto this forum after sitting on the sidelines and reading it for the last year and a half. I have found this site to be very informative,interesting and humorous at times and I look forward to stopping in and reading the posts every day. I feel like I almost know some of you guys personally. I've met a few flakes,snobs and eccentrics along the way associated with bicycles but I've also had the good fortune to meet number of friendly knowledgeable people like yourselves on this site who understand these and other vintage bicycles. Keep up the good work! We need a website like this for those of us interested in these unique machines. If you have tried to ask about three speed bikes in the chain bicycle shops... well, you know what I mean. I own a Raleigh Sprite and a non-British roadster,both of which I enjoy using very much,
and wanted to find a website to familiarize with these bikes and the people who own them.
Thanks for being there. Happy Holidays and keep those posts coming in!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/7/2002 at 12:39:06 AM
I'm reminded of an old poster of a Horse's rear end with the caption of "There's one in every crowd..."
Edward in Vancouver

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Ian on 12/7/2002 at 9:11:33 AM
Edward, I would not have been so polite about it, the expression we use down here that I think suits whoever did the original post perfectly would be :- "Don't be a
W - - K - R all your life, take tomorrow off!" To the sane and reasonable rest of you take care and have a merry Xmas. Cheers, Ian in New Zealand.

   RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Catfood Rob on 12/7/2002 at 10:38:52 AM
Theres no need for this sort of posting, it stinks of what happens on certain other boards which end up with more arguments than informative posts.
If you dont like Chris` posts....dont read them! At least he puts his real name at the top of each post, so you know who theyre from...I see you were too much of a coward to leave a valid name.
Personally I think Chris is the star turn on this show....long may he continue.

   RE:RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Stacey on 12/7/2002 at 11:56:05 AM
Here, here... I second that! Post more, post often Chris... I'm collecting your musings for a book, once I sort it out in a congruent manner. :-)

   RE:MISC:Mad dogs & Englishmen posted by Brian on 12/7/2002 at 3:30:37 PM
One of the reason's I stopped posting on the I-BOB board was because of this kind of nonsense. You know the saying, "a few bad apples.."

MISC:Flying Pigeon Roadsters posted by: Dewane on 12/5/2002 at 11:12:34 PM
Hey folks, check it out, Chinese roadsters in Berkeley. The black finish looks nice, but what the heck is that springer suspension in front?

I wouldn't trust a company that couldn't even translate "Fei Ge" correctly, the story I heard is that it can be translated either "Flying Dove" or "Flying Pigeon" and somebody chose the latter.


I'm going to have to go up to Berkeley to check this place out.

   RE:MISC:Flying Pigeon Roadsters posted by David on 12/6/2002 at 12:53:53 AM
I think that springer thingy is a mere decorative frill. It's hard to imagine that the top of a suspension part would be clamped to the stem! I wonder if Raleigh can sue them for trademark infringement; "The All-Steel Bicycle."

   RE:RE:MISC:Flying Pigeon Roadsters posted by Stacey on 12/6/2002 at 8:12:38 PM

What Raleigh is there to have a legal beef with them David? The bloomin bikes are prolly made in the same factory!

   RE:MISC:Flying Pigeon Roadsters posted by dash on 12/6/2002 at 9:42:22 PM
wow, my DL-1 has a nos Flying Pigeon full chaincase...fits and works great...a perfectly elegant "full" solution should you find one.

   RE:RE:MISC: Flying Pigeon Roadsters posted by J. M. Vernooy on 12/9/2002 at 1:53:06 PM
I found the names BSA, Phillips, and Hercules on bicycles made in India by TI Cycles of India. Looks like a closer relative than the Flying Pigeons. Anyone have any info? Are any of the bicycles made by TI Cycles of India sold in U.S.A.? The website of TI Cycles of India is;


AGE / VALUE: Black ice, large tree! Oh, I love winter! posted by: Chris on 12/5/2002 at 10:21:05 PM
Under that slush lurks a nifty patch of black ice and then combined with that rather large tree that sits besides the road?
The song on the radio: Slip Sliding Awayyyyy.... Slip Sliding Away....

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Black ice, large tree! Oh, I love winter! posted by edgarecks on 12/6/2002 at 5:31:33 PM
Hey, it's 70 degrees and sunny here in Tucson today! I moved here so I could bike every day, don't even need a car!

MISC:Off Topic posted by: Tim Powell on 12/5/2002 at 4:59:28 PM
A recent post refering to old British films reminded me. I down load a lot of old books in Etexts about cycling and bikes in general. Hers a sample http://www.blackmask.com/books52c/affairavdex.htm

A really spiffing good read.

pip pip,

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:bikes of interest posted by: Mark Rehder on 12/5/2002 at 12:12:17 AM
At the bike co-op where I volunteer we've had a few interesting machines recently, with two being of definite British heritage. The first one is called "Astronaut", in a very nice burgundy / red colour. It has a coaster brake, and a bit of a hump in the top tube just ahead of the seat. It says "Made in England" but has no other markings. This bike is in great shape, and its overhaul was probably one of the easiest I've ever done. Looks like it has been sitting in someone's garage for 30 years...

Second is a very green '72 Raleigh Sports, and I mean it when I say "very green"! It's lime green for lack of a better phrase, and I had no idea Raleigh made them in this colour. It's quite striking, especially compared to most of the gray or brown Sports I often see (even the fender stays are green!). It's got some rust on the (non-green) handlebar, but otherwise it's yet another Sports in very good shape for its age.

Lastly, a lovely old CCM lady's bike. The badge reads "CYCO", but down one side of the badge it reads "Made in Canada", and the other side reads "Weston, Ontario" which was where the old CCM plant was located (so I'm told). This bike is a very cool retro machine, and a local mechanic figured it was from the late 50's. The top tube does a lovely swooping bend to within an inch of the down tube, before straightening out to clamp around the seat tube. This bike also has the tallest head tube I've ever seen for this kind of frame. It has a narrow seat tube, with the post basically being one straight pipe. I managed to find a longer seatpost off an old banana seat, and added a decent mattress saddle. The one thing I did was to remove the original handlebar and add a longer stem with an over-sized version of the typical North Road bar found on Raleighs. The rise of this bar is about a foot, and sweeps back another foot. So, I've just customized my first cruiser! Between this long bar and the long drop to the top tube the front end is a bit flexy, but it's fun to ride. One of the fellows at the shop rode it and said "you smile when you ride one of these things". I said "yeah, until you come to a hill!" For further stylin' I added a nice front wicker basket taken from a scrapped bike (wired on under the buckles to prevent theft).

One thing I'm curious about is the tire size. These read 28 x 1-1/2, and I know this size was used for British roadsters, but I'm also told that on Canadian bikes the 28" was actually 700C. But this bike has its original Dunlop 'Ranger' tires, nbd Dunlop were British, correct? Of course, Canada always had lots of British stuff in its bicycle heritage. I guess I'll have to get out the tape measure and match it with a 700C rim to see what's going on.

Thanks for reading this long-winded tale! I hope to get a few photos of the CCM up at my website soon. Any other CCM fans out there?

Cheers, Mark in Ottawa

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:bikes of interest posted by Warren on 12/5/2002 at 1:37:15 PM
Hi Mark...the CYCO bikes were a bit of an an anomaly in the CCM's history. I think they were part of some strange trade deal with a country in Europe and had some of the parts manufactured there. The crankset comes to mind. I believe all of the CYCO bikes did not have the standard CCM letters in the chainring...yes, no? Anyway, they were still very much the same roadster as the others in the CCM line.

Dunlop made a complete line of tires and westwood rims just for the canadian market...many of the tires had "Canadian Size" on the sidewall. And yes they are 700c size and allows you a wide range of tire choices. I've just put a carbide studded front tire on my early 60's Supercycle. Bring on winter!

Please let me know when you have some pics up. We'll swap.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:bikes of interest posted by Tom on 12/5/2002 at 3:36:51 PM
I have some Dunlop tires that say Made in Canada on them. They are the 700c size. Most Canadian retail stores sold a version of the CCM bikes. I have come across a few 28" bikes that were made by CCM and have a department store badge on them. I also see a collector friend who has some CCM bikes made just after WW11 that have British bottom brackets. His father says that during the war the CCM plants turned into military machining so when the war was over CCM turned to Phillips to get some BB to get the bikes rolling again. He also says that after WW1 and WW11 the rear hub may be a Perry or New Departure. I cane across a wood wheel CCM bike that had a ND rear hub. It also had a CCM front hub and CCM BB.
Could you post your web site for us to look at.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:bikes of interest posted by Chris on 12/5/2002 at 10:43:41 PM
After reading Warren's post I have the maroon painted, white striped C.C.M. rim in hand, trying new 700 C tires to see if anything fits. Will let you all know.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: bikes of interest posted by Mark Rehder on 12/6/2002 at 9:42:38 AM
My website is: http://pages.iSTAR.ca/'marker/index.html (Don't forget to put a tilde before 'marker' in place of the apostrophe [or whatever it is] that this site puts in.)

The rear coaster hub is a "Bayliss and Wiley". I have yet to overhaul the BB, but yes Warren, the chainring does not have the CCM logo. I will certainly let you know when I have pics of this bike up. Do you have a website featuring your bikes?

Last Spring I passed up a CCM Galaxy that was in great shape. It was at a local thrift store, and they wanted the usual ten bucks for it. Why did I pass it up? Because I saw a cute little blue 3-speed in flawless shape (dept. store brand) that I brought home for a friend instead (my bike trailer can only really carry one bike at a time!) When I went back for the Galaxy it was gone, of course...


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:bikes of interest posted by Mike Patterson on 12/11/2002 at 12:13:07 AM
I have lots of old CCM parts and frames. Also several bikes including four L'automatics and Yep, a GALAXY. Always looking to trade as my interest is in 1896-1920's safties.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Seeking Pedals posted by: Brian on 12/4/2002 at 11:01:15 PM
Here I go again. I'm back looking for a pair of pedals for my men's 1956 Rudge as an ebay seller didn't deliver what he said he had. I won the set by chance (I don't use sniping software) by one buck-what a damn disappointment!
If anyone can sell a real decent pair of older English-made pedals, I'd appreciate it. I'm tired of looking at Ebay.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Seeking Pedals posted by David Poston on 12/5/2002 at 12:06:01 AM

Who was the seller, and what didn't he deliver?


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Seeking Pedals posted by Brian on 12/5/2002 at 4:18:46 AM
I'm not going to reveal the seller, but he says he made a "mistake", and I'll except that at face value - as long as I get my money refunded in full. It's easy to get suspicious on some of these ebay blowup's, but why stress-out..life's to short!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Seeking Pedals posted by sam on 12/5/2002 at 4:10:17 PM
The mistake is in not honoring the deal.He lost more than just your trust , he lost respect!---sam

AGE / VALUE:Seeking Pedals posted by: Brian on 12/4/2002 at 11:01:15 PM
Here I go again. I'm back looking for a pair of pedals for my men's 1956 Rudge as an ebay seller didn't deliver what he said he had. I won the set by chance (I don't use sniping software) by one buck-what a damn disappointment!
If anyone can sell a real decent pair of older English-made pedals, I'd appreciate it. I'm tired of looking at Ebay.

AGE / VALUE:Odd SA cable arrangement posted by: David Poston on 12/4/2002 at 8:59:54 PM
I recently acquired a 65 Raleigh Sports ladies model (from this site, no less) as a rider/beater/workhorse for going to the bus stop. I just couldn't quite bear the thought of attaching Wald rear wire baskets to my prized Rudge and Raleighs, nor leaving them out all day long at the bus stop.

The SA cable set-up is (or was) quite unusual. Instead of the fulcrum clamp and pulley, there is one long cable that extends almost all the way to the hub. It caused me a great deal of grief until I decided to switch it to the normal fulcrum clamp/pulley arrangement. Since then, I've had no trouble.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:Odd SA cable arrangement posted by David on 12/4/2002 at 9:32:34 PM
The one I'm using (with the ice in the brake cable) has the same setup. It has a tendency to shift into a higher gear; I guess because the friction in the long cable is inconsistent so the tension can't be adjusted reliably. Also, the Wald wire basket isn't big enough for my bag!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Odd SA cable arrangement posted by David Poston on 12/5/2002 at 12:09:01 AM

I'm getting the large, 18" rear baskets to accomodate a briefcase, bookbag, etc. Hopefully that will work for most rectangular objects. If not, I'll have to add a front basket, though I'm actually hestitant to do so because of interference with the cables and all.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:Odd SA cable arrangement posted by David on 12/5/2002 at 12:22:53 AM
Here's one more caveat: I'm pretty tall and the women's frame I'm riding is much too small. I needed an extra-long seat post (www.bikepartsusa.com) and the saddle baskets are a little too close to the pedals. If my feet aren't on them just right, my heels brush the basket. I'm not sure if this is because of the small frame or just the cheap baskets. Since I ride it less than a half mile each time I don't care.

AGE / VALUE:What happened to our repro enterprise? posted by: David Poston on 12/4/2002 at 8:50:42 PM
All (esp. P.C.),

What happened to our reproduction parts enterprise through Dial Patterns, etc.? We had a big discussion about it, Peter got hold of the company, but it seems it all disintegrated or something? Are we following up on this? I know there were some legal issues raised, but I think these are kind of irrelevant considering the intended scale of our enterprise. Onward, soldiers, onward!

I was able to contact Dial Patterns and they have repro torpedo black grips available for around 20 GBP inluding shipping / pair.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:What happened to our repro enterprise? posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/4/2002 at 9:01:28 PM
Well I admit once the discussion changed from pedal blocks and grips to lawyers, copyrights and such, I kinda lost interest!

But if we just proceed with all the legal stuff (and frankly I don't even have Raleigh's current address!!), I still need someone to lend a good RI marked pedal block for Dial to examine and make the mould from eventually. I can only supply Rudge or Raleigh marked pedals and I thought there was a concenus that we need some more or less generic.

But yes, still anxious to proceed... anyone know what the food is like in HM Prison if I get caught?

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:What happened to our repro enterprise? posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/4/2002 at 9:05:08 PM
20 for a pair of REPRO grips???? Yikes!!! Just re-read that... well if that's indicative, maybe we know why Raleigh moved production offshore...

Oh, I can also report a good solid lead established with a big Indian supplier of all things traditional cycle. I mean everything. Even double toptube Phillips style 26" frame 28" wheel roadster frames!! Will continue to follow up..

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:What happened to our repro enterprise? posted by David Poston on 12/4/2002 at 10:42:54 PM

Yes, please update us on that Indian supplier. Let us know if they have chaincases, handlebars, rims, etc., and whether we have to buy in bulk or can purchase individually from a website.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:What happened to our repro enterprise? posted by Chris on 12/5/2002 at 9:51:01 PM
Were too scared of winding up making Atala or Lygee brand bicycles!