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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by: Dan on 1/12/2002 at 1:15:26 PM
I bought a " Guaranteed Genuine English Lightweight" made by Western Flyer yesterday for .50 at auction. Has a Sturmey-Archer 3-speed cable rear hub, will the 2-digit no. on the hub tell me the exact year of this bike ? It is only missing the rear fender, has a seat made by Wright(?). Serial no. on bottom bracket reads 759997. Is there an interest in these American make "English Lightweights"?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by DBean on 1/12/2002 at 2:23:19 PM
I'm sure it's English-made, not American, for sale by Western Auto stores (do they still exist?) in the 50s or 60s. (The 2-digit code will tell you the year of the HUB, probably the same for the rest of the bike.) It's probably made in Nottingham by Raleigh (check the "spotter's guide"). If it works ok and you can find a rear fender you've got a reliable non-collectible bike easily worth even more than fifty cents.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by Dan on 1/12/2002 at 3:44:21 PM
Thanks DBean, it has the number "63" on the S/A rear hub, Western Auto store's may have closed during the early 80's maybe before that time. Since I don't own an English Lightweight as yet I may just keep it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by Ed on 1/12/2002 at 4:00:20 PM
Would a fender from a 1968 Hercules work? If you think that it would I have one that I would be happy to contribute to your project. I 'am not familier with the design of your Western Flyer so this is a shot in the dark.Good luck with the bike, Ed.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by Dan on 1/13/2002 at 2:11:59 AM
The front fender has a rib down the middle with a chrome tip near the front, a rear fender donor would be great, I'll keep you in mind Ed, THANKS.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by Ed on 1/13/2002 at 4:32:44 AM
Sounds like typical style Raleigh or Hercules fenders.The one that I have available is from a 1963 ladies frame Hercules that I rescued from the trash and have been usung for parts.Its Not Nos But not beat up either It's blue in color. Let me know if you can use it and I'll check on how much shipping cost is involved. No charge for the fender. Sounds like an interesting bike. Good luck with it. Ed.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Western Flyer English Lightweight posted by Clyde on 1/14/2002 at 2:57:21 PM
Some independent Western Auto stores still exist in the South. I've found them to be an unlikely source for NOS 3-speed parts, e.g. SA-clone indicator rods, Shimano bell cranks, etc., most of the time in dusty packages with their old prices. Once I even found a new Western Flyer bottle generator with integral front light for right fork. Most of the time the slim stock consists of Wald products, but you never know.
Cheers, Clyde

AGE / VALUE: He's creeping me out! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/10/2002 at 11:42:50 PM
After pack ratting for 45 years and rarely selling anything he's suddenly changing drastically. It's a bit of a difficult adjustment for me. I'm used to this guy not selling anything, only getting to look after driving a hour each way. The "pulling teeth" atmosphere I got used to is gone. Everything is cleaned up big time, I almost fainted at the garage, I asked where is the stuff? All gone! I went thru and picked thru anything I wanted without any "Don't touch that" comments. To top it off, he sold tools that I have wanted to buy for 15 years. That was not supposed to happen. I was supposed to hear "No!" as usual. How can a pack rat suddenly change, give it up like this. He's approaching 70 but still hale and hearty. I guess he's had his fill of it. He mentioned that he wants to spare his family the chore of cleaning it up. Interesting assortment of things. I hope to see him work on the car and bring it to a muster/ meet. If he loses interest in that car I'll know for sure something isn't right.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Want touring bars for Dunelt / not drop style posted by: Robert on 1/10/2002 at 7:05:19 PM
I am looking for a touring style bar for my Dunelt. These look pretty much like some low rise mountain bike bars. They have very little sweep back compared to the sport bars. I understand that this style came on some of the Raleigh Sprite 27" wheel derailleur bikes. These bars are 7/8" dia. with a 15/16" center area where they clamp.
Or if you happen to have a set of all rounder touring bars I would be interested.

AGE / VALUE:Phillips bicycles posted by: Bob on 1/10/2002 at 9:45:45 AM
Where do Phillips bicycles fit into the quality ranking of English bikes? And who made the Phillips brand? Anything special to know about the Phillips bikes, history of the badge, etc.? Thanks much for any info.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Phillips bicycles posted by sam on 1/10/2002 at 9:19:12 PM
Passing along a little info from a good source,Ian V. The British Cycle Corporation was as big as Raleigh in 1958.Made Aderdale,Alpha,Armstrong,Celtonia,Dunelt,Excelsis,Hercules,James,norman,Philco,Phillips,Rambler,Raynal,and Sun also accessories Brampton ,Wright saddles,etc.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Phillips bicycles posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/11/2002 at 1:14:57 AM
I saw a Hercules "Royal Prince" today. Black, 3 speed with 26 inch wheels, silver badge with two flags on it. Each name made a whole line all into themselves. All this under the huge umbrella that was the British Cycle Company. Then this was merged with Raleigh in 1960.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Phillips bicycles posted by Jeff on 1/12/2002 at 1:03:48 PM
Phillips also made the Indian bicycle and the Reliance bicycle, and there are probably many others too.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Note on British Bike Weekend-Phila posted by: Michael McGettigan on 1/10/2002 at 3:29:00 AM
Greetings to all... here's a quick note on the Brit Bike Weekend we throw in Philadelphia... press release follows, but feel free to call Trophy Bikes for more details--thanks for reading--Michael McGettigan/Trophy 215.625.7999

The 6th Annual Great British Bike Weekend returns to Philadelphia April 19, 20& 21, 2002
Three days to celebrate the classic 3-speed British Roadster Bicycle, with rides, workshops, lectures, a swap meet, and the infamous "Bike & Pub Crawl."

The 2001 Great British Bike Weekend will feature easy-paced fun rides and rallies, experts on all things Raleigh; a Sturmey-Archer Hub clinic, a Swap Meet of British bikes, parts and accessories, workshop on repairing classic bikes, and much more.

For more about the 2002 Great British Bike Weekend: visit www.trophybikes.com/events email mcget@aol.com, or send SASE
Registration for the GBBW is $25 payable to:
Trophy Bikes, 311 Market St., Phila. PA 19106.

Reg. in person Fri. 11-5pm, and Saturday, 9-noon.
(Includes program and maps, admission to all events)
Prereg. before Mar. 1 includes GBBW 2002 T-shirt.

CONTACT: MICHAEL McGETTIGAN/Trophy Bikes 215.625.7999

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Note on British Bike Weekend-Phila posted by Albert on 1/10/2002 at 12:28:23 PM
While I'm pleased with efforts of Trophy Bikes, I do question the idea of having a "pub crawl". One need not go to any great length on this site to make the point that alcohol and road travel are a dangerous mix whether it be on cycle or in an auto. Please don't respond by saying that you can always order a shandy or coke because we all know that in a taproom environment most will order an alcoholic drink. Also, readers who are like minded should e-mail their objections to Trophy.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Note on British Bike Weekend-Phila posted by Vindicator on 1/10/2002 at 1:52:45 PM
Yo Albert, just because someone pee'd in yer Corn Flakes does not give you license to pee in everyone elses! I don't see you going to any great lenghts to organize any bicycle related events. Who are you to damn the efforts of someone else?

I will agree that alcohol and wheeled vehicle transportation is a hazardous combination. One must also be keen to the fact that alcohol and any physcial activity is dangerous combination. Ever hear of "Falling Down Drunk"? You fall down, hit your head, and out go the lights... welcome darkness! Yer just as dead... dead is dead.

You can park the Bleeding Heart Liberal attiude of... "I'm Not Responsible For My Own Behaviour" at the door. If you lived over a brothel, would you be downstairs every night getting some trim? That's a bunch of crap! Ever hear of Free Will? The ability to choose ones given behaviour path... AND it's corrilary, obligation of one to take personal responsibility for their choices. No, I'm sure you haven't. You're too busy running you mouth about how it;s not your fault when you should be listening to someone educate you.

I counter with this proposal... that all who support Trophy and wish to thank them for their pro active stance in the brotherhood of wheelmen, should email them with their kudos.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:I'll be the guy with the ministers clothes! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/10/2002 at 4:22:19 PM
Think up something else that the guys would rather do instead of the pub crawl and suggest that. Good Luck.
I wound up in summer school this one year and drove a fellow home and I remember him seeing his dad's car in the bar parking lot and he moaned aloud "Oh no, my dad's in the "Lions Den" again." It was not a good situation.
Used to go to an arcade that had a bar inside the place. We never drank just spent like $10.00.The cops used to sit outside and wait until closing then pull folks over like crazy. We got pulled over and he walked up and I looked at him and said "Sir we were playing video games, we don't drink, were both stone sober! He looked in at me closely and said "Ok, thanks!" and before you could blink and take two breaths he dissapeared and had somebody else pulled over. He waved goodnight at us.
I said "That's it!" and switched arcades!

Now in England in the 1950's and 1960's what did the bike clubs do? They went out I am sure, but was that for tea or coffee or sandwitches or did the fellows help get home fellow club members home that were wobbley on the bike? The times, the culture is diffrent perhaps. I honestly don't know. Did the old timers do pub crawls on the bikes? If somebody is trying to quit smoking they want to avoid cigarretes so isn't the same thing true about going to bars? If Albert wants to stay clear of the pubs then he is a wise fellow and should be given a pat on the back and I like it that he speaks up for what he believes in, even if he'll catch criticism. That's courage and character in my book.
Besides alchol and being in fit shape as a cyclist is, these two things don't go together.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Go and have a good time posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/10/2002 at 4:43:37 PM
The British Bike Weekend is a highlight of the year. There are lots of interesting diffrent bikes,meet the people,take some pictures, it's a good bunch of folks. They're not ruffians, it's not mardi- graw. Nobodys making a "Girls Gone Wild" video here. (no naughty lasses on bikes) To miss this event is a shame, I haven't heard anything negative about it ever.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Note on British Bike Weekend-Phila posted by Ben on 1/10/2002 at 5:42:41 PM
Well, I was thinking of coming until Chris mentioned that there would be no "Girls Gone Wild" action...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Go and have a good time posted by sam on 1/10/2002 at 6:29:30 PM
Manny years ago the wife and I got a new Harley and rode with the Gispy M/C club.Now these guys were no sunday school group but they did have 2 rules that would get you kicked out of the club.One was being valguar in front of kids and the other was riding and drinking.We long ago sold the harley and said bye to the club but I carried their rules with me.----sam PS Albert,Maybe they're not ridding after the drinking starts too.Anyway thinks for reminding me of the old rule.

    ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Go and have a good time posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/10/2002 at 11:28:39 PM
If there ever is a "vintage bike gals gone wild" video. The Lazy Walker people should handle that project.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Note on British Bike Weekend-Phila posted by Jeff on 1/12/2002 at 1:18:25 PM
The "girls gone wild" comment made me think of the famous or infamous poster that came with the Queen "Jazz" album, a poster featuring a good number of nude women posed with bikes. I recall drooling over a nice Guerciotti that was in the front row. Oh the joy of a non politically correct world. Best of luck to the festival, and if you're going to drink and drive, drink milk and stay alive.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Note on British Bike Weekend-Phila posted by Ben on 1/12/2002 at 3:22:23 PM
I helped start a bicycle shop in Tuscaloosa AL I guess around 20 years ago which is still there, run by one of the original partners. We had a bathroom in the back that was reserved for "employee use", which meant several things including the usual initiation for new employees, a very short haircut. It also had that poster on the wall directly in front of users. Needless to say, we did not let customers in there often.

AGE / VALUE:Raleigh Space Rider posted by: Bryant on 1/9/2002 at 9:23:31 PM
Just found a Raleigh 3 speed Space Rider at the thrift shop for $10. It's paint is scratched, and it is missing its front fender and it looks like it needs a good cleaning. Other than thta it looks like a fun bike to work on. I think it is a 1976 according to the hub and want to know a little more about it. Any info would be helpful.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Raleigh Space Rider posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/10/2002 at 1:20:31 AM
This is a childs bicycle as you already know. Made in the Nottingham, England factory. What color is this?
Does anybody have a front fender for Bryant? A good find for $10.00 To us it's a piece of bike history. To others it's just an old bike and these get thrown away. To some it's a old bike they wouldn't like to ride and they would want something newer or jazzier. But you know something? There are tons of people out there that would dearly love this little bike. Their eyes would light up and be big as saucers and they would say "For me? Wow Thank- You Mr.!" And every day after school somebody would be riding this all around smiling and enjoying the bike. If you decide to give this to somebody after you fix it up I hope it goes to a good home. Yes, a bicycle is a magical, wonderful thing.
We hear a lot about somebody's child discovering the old bike that somebody has and they take to it and think it's cool.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Raleigh Space Rider posted by Ben on 1/10/2002 at 5:41:11 PM
My 9 year old daughter has one of these in mint condition and she loves it. She also has one of the "bmx" style bikes I bought her when she was 7, but she rides the raleigh to school and all the other kids tell her how cool it is...

FOR SALE:23" Raleigh Superbe posted by: Bruce on 1/9/2002 at 3:10:17 AM
I am parting with my near mint 73 Raleigh Superbe, has rack, pump, dynohub/lights,practically no miles (rubber nipples still on original tires. It is in too nice condition for me to use as a rider. I put new tubes and tires on it, still have originals, I put less than 50 miles on it myself and doubt it had that when I got it. Email for more information

FOR SALE:Nice wheels for sale posted by: Randy on 1/8/2002 at 2:37:48 AM
With the redesign of my Faux-Pedersen project to use 28" wheels, I am selling the 26" wheels I had built for the previous incarnation.

The components are: FW steel-shell rear hub (10/50 date), GH6 Dynohub front hub (1/53 date, remagnetized magnet), NOS 26x1-3/8 EA3 Dunlop rims (40-hole front, 32-hole rear), 14ga straight DT stainless steel spokes. I laced, tensioned and trued them, and they have been in a box for several years never ridden. No tires, tubes or rim strips.

These wheels would be ideal for a Sports rebuild/upgrade. I'm asking $100 plus shipping for the set. Please email me directly if you are interested.

   RE:FOR SALE:Nice wheels for sale posted by Randy on 1/8/2002 at 10:18:55 AM
I didn't do any hub redrilling!!! Of course, it's 40-hole rear and 32-hole front... :-p

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:Nice wheels for sale posted by Randy on 1/8/2002 at 8:23:49 PM
The wheelset is spoken for, thanks.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh's last roadster's posted by: Andrew on 1/5/2002 at 7:34:52 PM
Wanted to know when Raleigh last produced the classic 3-speed, and did they ever out-source production of these to Asia. Also, what's the last year of the Tourist(DL1) ?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh's last roadster's posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/5/2002 at 9:47:15 PM
Good question on the basic 3 speed. I do know that the last rod brake tourist D.L.1. made was in 1987.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh's last roadster's posted by Warren on 1/6/2002 at 1:50:49 AM
I can't speak for Asia but there were Canadian-made Sports 3 speeds made and distributed during the mid to late 80's. They were not as well made as their English ancestors but they were close .

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh's last roadster's posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/6/2002 at 8:48:41 PM
Asia is a diffrent story. Some of the plants that Raleigh had started up, later closed down and then somebody else move in and they make the bicycles now. Most of these are single speed models. The rod brake Raleigh or Phillips style bicycle is not dead just hard to find in the U.S.

AGE / VALUE:Interesting Hercules on e- bay posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/4/2002 at 1:09:28 AM
It seems that Raleigh took to using up the old Hercules decals they discovered in stock after they merged and took over Hercules. Take a look at the down tube decal and chainguard decal. This is exact(not similar to) as the older origonal Hercules decal with the crown. This is a Raleigh made frame with a Sturmey-Archer coaster brake hub.
The Hercules bikes had Hercules badged hubs and they didn't offer a coaster brake hub with the Hercules name on the outside of it. Did they? Those are Raleigh fenders(mudguards) and a Raleigh frame. Item #1057962467 Hercules British bike pictures are at www.route66patrol.com/bikes.htm I would say that this is a transition bike. Then again, It looks to be in very good shape. Also, the shade of paint is diffrent from an origonal Hercules, very slightly diffrent. The origonal shade of green was slightly darker. No, this is a Raleigh made bike! Look at the headset. That's Raleigh for sure.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Interesting Hercules on e- bay posted by Ed on 1/8/2002 at 9:27:49 PM
My first thought was that Raleigh was using transition parts, which may be true, with regard to the decals on the chainguard and seat tube,but the head badge indicates Nottingham and is different from any post or pre Raleigh Hercules badge that I recall seeing.Also the paint appears to match the paint on most green Raleigh Sports and Superbes dating from the sixties and seventies.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Interesting Hercules on e- bay posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/8/2002 at 11:43:27 PM
I agree. Good point about the badge. Raleigh must have had this badge made up and then immediately changed it because I have never seen this badge on any Raleigh made Hercules
until now.
Perhaps the Phillips ( Hercules) people made this up for the transition and then Raleigh changed it again.

AGE / VALUE:Schwinn Collegiate 3 Speed posted by: Bryant on 1/3/2002 at 10:31:32 PM
I've found a Schwinn Collegiate three speed at a thrift store and am wondering if it is worthwhile fixing it up. It has a Sturmey-Archer (sp?) rear hub and cruiser type handlebars. It is a boys bike (man's bike by the size of it) and the serial number FR533595 which puts it about 1980. It is in good shape, still has its fenders and is selling for $14. I'd buy it but space is getting slim. Talk me into it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn Collegiate 3 Speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/4/2002 at 12:39:03 AM
$ 14.00 is not bad and with a 3 speed hub too. If you like the bike, go for it. Put it on the lawn with a sign saying $60.00 and see what happens or ride it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn Collegiate 3 Speed posted by Albert on 1/4/2002 at 12:31:16 PM
Should you purchase the cycle with the intent to use it for transport, remember the frame is quit heavy as it it is made of seemed steel that is arc-welded.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn Collegiate 3 Speed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/4/2002 at 10:20:07 PM
Exactly true. Which is why I would pull the parts off it and toss it out righ quick.However that's just me and a lot of folks like this bike and many wouldn't mind the weight. I have met lots of folks that wouldn't sell theirs. They used it at college and to them it's a keeper bike.I said to her, "But it's so heavy!" and she looked at me like I was from another planet and she then told me that "It is a great bike!" And not for sale.
People like it because it's a Scwhinn and to them the added weight is strength. 14.00 is good, and if you wait it'll be gone. Some bikes call out to be ridden, others call out to be bought and added to look at. The Collegiate says to me "Take my parts and use them on something else." I'm terrible, I know and I'm bound to meet up with loyal Collegiate owners who wil relate stories about their experience with this bike.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn Collegiate 3 Speed posted by Kevin C. on 1/5/2002 at 2:19:11 PM
I also have a 3-speed Schwinn Collegiate, campus green, chrome fenders, in great shape, bought at a rummage sale for $10. Sure, it weighs more than a Raleigh Sports, but because it's a three speed that really doesn't make much difference for short rides. Another bonus: It's virtually indestructible and it's probably less likely to be stolen. To me, regardless of the headbadge, it's just too nice a bicycle to cannibalize and destroy. After all, they don't make 'em anymore.

   Collegiates aren't safe from Chris, never were posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/5/2002 at 6:50:28 PM
He's right and he's not alone in his feelings. Hey Kevin, just don't let me get near your Collegiate without supervision and everything will be fine. Because the word with me is "Disassemble"
He looks up and exclaims in horror "I just left you alone with it for 10 minutes! What have you done? You killed it!" Parts everywhere, (even the bottombracket parts) saved in as bag and stashed away. His frame is out by my kerb or off to be droped off with my pal who makes crazed bike furniture.
It's just a Schwinn copy of the Raleigh sports that weighs a ton. I groan "Umph!" as I lift it onto the car rack. He right about the 3 speed making it usable. If not for that, I would pass over it all together. I see parts to rescue, chainwheels that go to krates, derailers, brake parts. My hands filled with all sorts of tools, a flurry of activity.Soon it's all over, never to be ridden again.
If I can manage to take out enought of these I will eventually drive up the price of the ones that are left. How many were made? I have work to do!
I remember a Harvest Gold version of this bike that went a bit high and so that one I would relunctantly keep intact if I saw it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Schwinn Collegiate 3 Speed posted by Dale on 1/6/2002 at 2:26:36 AM
Use it as it's most useful to you. If you have an immediate need for a bike, ride it. If you need parts, gut it. Else store it until some need becomes apparent, I have one hanging in the garage now. The $60 idea isn't so bad either, there's a record store here in Roch. NY that has one on the floor and they're asking $65.

That said, it IS the perfect on-campus bike. Mine was a Jaguar with the 1.75 tires, at the time it was about 12 years old (1970-1958=12). Couldn't talk either of my kids to taking one to school...

Versus the Raleigh or other Brit bikes, the Schwinn is not only heavier but has a much duller feel to its handling. Rims are almost as strong, though.

AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by: Ruben on 1/3/2002 at 2:50:04 PM
Came across an old bike, which I am unable to identify. Tags with : "Lion Heart Sports - Ireland" can be identified with difficulty. The seat has got "Wrights" tag on it at the back. A small lion on front. Lever brakes. Can anyone provide any information please re origin, manufacturer, age, value. Thank You.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ruben on 1/3/2002 at 3:18:24 PM
Bike also got the following on rear hub : Sturney Archer - Gears England - K7 . Hope this helps !

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ruben on 1/3/2002 at 3:20:10 PM
Bike also got the following on rear hub : Sturney Archer - Gears England - K7 . Hope this helps !

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 4:12:51 PM
Oldie for sure, Well this is a 1937 hub. K series and the 7 means 1937. You have me stumped from there, No matter. Ask Hilary Stone in England. Tony Hadland at Hadland.net
I like the name!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 4:14:05 PM
Oldie for sure, Well this is a 1937 hub. K series and the 7 means 1937. You have me stumped from there, No matter. Ask Hilary Stone in England. Tony Hadland at Hadland.net
I like the name! Cycles De Oro "Classics rendevous" under Great Britain if it isn't there mentioned someplace them please submit your findings to them so we can see this updated /improved.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 4:15:09 PM
Ireand? Makes it more interesting!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by Ruben on 1/3/2002 at 4:30:13 PM
I am ignorant in the field, and am still trying to figure out where I can find its serial no., date of manufacture etc etc . Just learned today what hub is, and found k7 mark under layers of dry oil ! How come the 7 refers to 1937 and not 1927, 1947,... 1997 !? While browsing through this web page I have learnt a lot. If I remember correctly there is "Phillips" also on it...perhaps it is the name of the manufacturer? Ireland and Lion Heart are painted and barely visible on the vertical bar just under the seat. Lion heart sports is on the front, together with the small lion model...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 4:52:24 PM
Is Phillips on the bike itself anyplace? or on a pedal or seat?
Phillips was a large Birmingham, England maker of bikes and parts, a large thorn on the side of giant Raleigh until a 1960 merger.

The K series hubs are from the 1930's.After the end of W.W.2 Sturmey Archer went to stamping the month and year on the hub like 8 54 or something. You have a prewar 3 speed hub. The predecessor to the common basic 3 speed, the A.W., That's cool. This is a good hub. Go to http://www.SheldonBrown.com old bicycles, Raleigh bicycles and look thru it for the section on old Sturmey-Archer hubs. Your hub is in there. nice color pictures, a masterful description.
Phillips Serial numbers are useless here as we don't have a Phillips serial number chart. We have not dug it out and gotten it posted anyplace on the web and I fear we may never will. Phillips could have made this bike. They did if Phillips is anyplace on the bike like in front on the head badge. Phillips is still a bit of a mystery, more or less, kind of. We don't have a listing of Phillips bicycle model names and so it's kind vague. Please describe the wheel size, colors, does it have a light set or generator? What size frame? Measuring it from center of crank spindle axle where the cranks go onto up to the top of the tube on the bike where the seat post goes into. How did you find this? Go look for more if you can. We don't see these here and this is first mention of this name and model I can remember. I will e- mail the web address you will need to you. Does this have a decal saying 531 anyplace on it. Should be by the seat. This announces that the frame is a lightweight frame and this makes it more valuable and tells that this is not a cheaper commuter bike. What size wheels? Is this a lightweight "club" bike or a commuter to work and back bike? Sheldon's website is where you go to learn the terms like "club machine"
There are a few folks floating about underneath the woodwork who worked at Phillips. We need to track them down and assemble something on Phillips.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by Ruben on 1/3/2002 at 5:43:58 PM
Using crude terms...Phillips is on the small "wheel" at the shaft that carries the chain, and to which the pedal is attached. I will check on the 531. Wheels are approx 26 inches. Must measure again to be sure. Colour black with the logos mentioned before. No light set or generator. Wrights tag on the seat at the back.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by Ruben on 1/3/2002 at 6:23:38 PM
No marking 531 could be found. Size of frame is approx 22 inches. Wheels as indicated before. Probably a " to work and back bike"; a bit rusty, and has surely seen better days...Left aside for ages...Any rough guide to a possible value for such a bike...? Thank You ChristopherRobin for the very useful information.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 11:59:13 PM
It was made by Phillips then. If it has a Phillips chainwheel. I bought the book "Dorothy Langes Ireland" because it is filled with pictures of bikes like yours.

We don't hear of Phillip's bikes this old, very often.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Lion Heart - Sports - Ireland - Wrights posted by sam on 1/4/2002 at 2:02:39 AM
Rubin,check out this site http://www.v-cc.org.uk/ It's for the Veterns Cycle Club of England.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:AG at American Cyclery posted by: Randy on 1/3/2002 at 2:20:15 AM
I had to take our younger daughter to the City (San Francisco, for non-Left Coasters) for some eye tests, and was able to briefly stop by American Cyclery at the end of Golden Gate Park. Unfortunately, they sold the Phillips 3-speed tandem years ago... :-(

Under the sales counter, in a bin together with several hubgears with cutaway shells for display, was a 1956 AG hub. Not NOS (it has the remnant of a wire on one of the terminals,) but in excellent condition. It turns freely, and the magnet feels nice and strong.

They want $95 for it, which doesn't seem like too bad a price, given eBay's influence...

Contact info for the shop (in which I have no financial interest!) is at http://www.americancyclery.com

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:AG at American Cyclery posted by Tom on 1/3/2002 at 6:21:55 AM
I saw an AG hub on Ebay tonight and I think it started at $40.00. I have an AG hub 50's I bought on Ebay this summer for $10 a steal of a price. . I sent it to my brothers in Wa. I will get it this month when he sends me some other items.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:AG at American Cyclery posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 4:57:48 PM
Oh the A.G! (If you can find one of the darned things) Goes anyplace from 5.00 all the way up to 150.00 if it is new. This varies from place to place.
The four speed version the F.G. is more valuable. keep looking. $40.00 is good

WANTED:Raleigh DL-1/Sports/Superbe posted by: Pravin Menon on 1/3/2002 at 12:57:28 AM
Hello -

I'm looking for a Raleigh Bicycle DL-1/Sports/Superbe for sale, preferably made before 1965 and in good-to-excellent condition.


   RE:WANTED:Raleigh DL-1/Sports/Superbe posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/3/2002 at 5:05:55 PM
The Raleigh D.L.1 is also called the Raleigh Tourist. Later versions are called the Royal Roadster. This is the 28 inch wheel, rod brake postmans bicycle. with frame sizes in 22 or 24 inch.
A version of this bike with a locking fork and Sturmey Archer dynohub was made and that is called a Supurbe.

Also then, there were rod brake bikes with 26 inch wheels

Then step down to the cable brake Raleigh Supurbe with dynohub lights and locking fork and rear rack in matching frame paint colors.
Then the Sports with cable brakes and plain fork and no dynohub lights
unless you added it afterwards.
Folders, kids bikes, ten speed type frames
huge selection of bikes Raleigh made.
Keep an eye here and go to e- bay
Type in Raleigh bicycle or rod brake bicycle

   RE:WANTED:Raleigh DL-1/Sports/Superbe posted by Ted on 1/4/2002 at 2:46:29 AM
I have a 66 Superbee with the dynohub locking fork speedometer & other goodies in excellent condition if your interested.

WANTED:1920's bicycle wanted posted by: JP Bingham on 1/2/2002 at 10:54:41 PM
looking for a project/complete/parts for 1920's mens (BSA?)English bicycle any help or leads much appreciated