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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   near mint 73 Raleigh Superbe posted by: Bruce on 1/16/2002 at 11:32:21 PM
23" men's superbe, sports model. $295.very low miles, also selling B72(fair) and B66(rough). clearing out all my Brit bike and parts. email for info, I can have pictures within a week, ebay as last resort.

AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by: Albert on 1/16/2002 at 8:00:53 PM
A week or so ago I posted a comment on Trophy Bikes practice of having what they refer to as a "pub crawl" encluded in their British Bike Weekend. The comments received were for the most part thoughtful and/or funny; one, however, was written by a reader whose primary means of written communication is probably a Crayola.

I realize that my posting was incomplete. I failed to tell how very considerate and accomadating the folks at Trophy are to all those who frequent the shop. They will gladly order small parts; something that comsumes time and yields little in the way of profits. Their shop is delight to visit as there are usually vintage bikes on display and the staff is always willing to engage in "roadster talk". Indeed those of us who live in Philadelphia are fortunate to have Trophy! However, again I question the wisedom of drinking and cyling. Yes, there is a need to have a "third place" to socialize and enjoy the commraderie of those with like interests--- but why a saloon/fern-bar/taproom? Philadelphia's historic section in, which Trophy is located, has many places where participants may socialize. The Reading Terminal with its many and varied places to a have a snack or "tapa" would be a good choice for starters; and then a short ride to Society Hill's Headhouse Square for its unusal offerings and ambiance. Another mile or two takes you to the Italian Market where you can have the worlds best Philadelphia-style cheese-stakes. The point made is that there are alternatives to biking and boozing that are more appealing and safer. We cyclists know that the driver who has had but one drink is an impaired driver who is a great threat to all--- especially we cyclists who are particularly vulnerable. Many of our number are injured or murdered by these monsters. Trophy's so callled pub crawl by bike is offensive in the extreme. Believe-it-or-not, this bike and booze idiocy is a montly event sponsored by Trophy! Please Mr. McGettigan change your Brittish Bike Bike Weekend's schedule; eliminate the so-called pub crawl!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by Catfood Rob on 1/16/2002 at 8:59:43 PM
Pub Crawls are part of our British heritage... If you have a British style bike meeting, you have to have a pub crawl!!!! But hay, you dont HAVE to drink alcohol at every pub visited..... use your brain! Its the spirit of the meeting thats important.
The secret is to HAVE FUN ON YOUR BIKE , not whinge about others having fun.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by Peter on 1/16/2002 at 10:18:07 PM
I am afraid Rob that you are mistaken if you think that we Brits regularly went out on our bikes for a pub crawl. The usual outings included a stop at a cyclists cafe where reasonably priced food and good company were available. A pint at the end of the day was another matter, and for many it is a custom which still goes on. As in all things, moderation is the order of the day.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by Albert on 1/17/2002 at 12:43:00 AM
Catfood, while living in the U.K. I cycled with the local C.T.C. district association and must tell you that alcohol played no role on the rides. Where do you get your notions about British cycling?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/17/2002 at 1:32:01 AM
I hope to keep hearing from other people about how a proper bike get together is done in England (Europe too) This should be like a club event. I see in back issues of Cycling where they got together for a dinner and they were dressed to the nines with the guys in tux's and the ladies in nice dresses. It would be a great time to show off and share literature collections and photos and stories. Spread the box of paper info on the table and strike up a conversation. Did you cycle in England in the 1950's and 60's? How should a get together of vintage bike fans be done?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:  Drinking posted by Warren on 1/17/2002 at 4:13:29 AM
I think it's really important to not be confrontational about this. We are masters of our own destinies and it serves no purpose to take a political stand on personal issues. To me, a visit to the pub (Irish) is a couple of Guiness and an egg. I have NO qualms about riding to and from the pub...as a matter of fact I take great pride in NOT driving a car. Live and let live...to each their own...you make your own bed and lie in it...the list of simplifications go on and on. Bottom line...you don't have to drink...OR drive if you don't want to, even at a pub. But please spare me the moralizing...I'm a big boy now. I've seen other discussion groups almost destroyed by the introduction of "political" issues and drinking and driving is certainly one of them. I promise not to say another word on this list. If anyone wants to take issue with what I've said, they can do it "off-list". Trust me, this can and will get ugly if the thread continues.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Drinking posted by Albert on 1/17/2002 at 10:05:38 AM
Warren, allow me to take issue with you "on-list"! This issue of drinking and road use is on that concerns us as
a community because the effects of drinking are limited to the drinker; we are all put at risk. This site is a proper forum for its discussion. Hopefully, even if just one is made

more aware, a heightened awarenss will result.And Warren I might go on to say that I deeply resent this attempt of yours to discourage others from participating by this repeated scare tactic of yours which usually goes something like this," I've seen the ******** dicussion group distroyed by this sort of thing......"

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Drinking posted by Albert on 1/17/2002 at 10:09:08 AM
My previous posting should read-" .. the effects of drinking are not limited to the drinker....

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Drinking posted by Warren on 1/17/2002 at 1:51:35 PM
Albert, you appear to resent many things. Anyone can debate this if they want. I'm not participating.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Drinking posted by JimW. http://bikerodnkustom.com on 1/17/2002 at 6:18:06 PM
The problem with threads like this is that they're so tempting to wiseasses like me. I can barely restrain myself from spending an hour or more coming up with a lame-brain
but brilliantly-stated defense of biking while drinking. Then things would get really nasty, and I'd have to stay away from the list for weeks due to my shame at being such a wiseass troublemaker. Not this time! I must be maturing. Glad I'm not drinking while keyboarding, though, as it would be impossible to resist.

Philadelphia is a wonderful town for cycling, as it doesn't have major hills in the interesting parts of town. Gotta watch out for those drunken pedestrians stepping out in front of you though. Damn! I'm hopeless.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by Ben on 1/17/2002 at 6:32:03 PM
It is unfortunate that this discussion has to take the form it has. I, for one have had difficulties with alcohol in the past and understand Albert's point well. Even so, I agree with the position that responsible behavior will not be the result of any amount of moralizing here, and I would not necessarily be one to say that having a beer during a ride is irresponsible for experienced riders anyway. It would be my hope that the group would police itself during this event.

I will say one other thing: For those who dismiss out of hand Albert's point as being moralistic or "PC", be aware that statistics as they are, there is a good possibility that someone who uses this site has lost a loved one to a drunk driver.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by Vindicator on 1/17/2002 at 9:36:51 PM
When the voice of one sets the standards of behaviour for the many, it is time to deal with force against the one. Albert you sir are a whiney, spinless, mealymouthed little pissant. I understand all too well the "perils" of drinking and driving. I lost a brother-in-law to a drunk driver. So, I am not insulated from its effects on society as a whole. In reality, the problem lies within the users and the justice system. Not the chemical compound it's self.

When one chooses to consume alcohol, one MUST be willing to accept the ramifications of such action. In the case of the drunk driver who takes a life, he should sacrifice his in turn. No appeal, no cop outs... No bounce, No play! If you sir have a problem with alcohol and have a problem being in places that alcohol is served, then stay out of them. It's that simple. Do not try to inflict your compensating behaviour on me or anyone else just because you can't 'Just Say "NO!"'. You are pathetic, in the time that I have been coming to OldRoads.com have done nothing but piss and moan, whine and complain, and put down what other choose to ride and what they do with and on their rides. Please, take your mindless drivel and lunatic ramblings somewhere else. How 'bout the schwinn boards, I'm sure they'd love to have another whiney snot over there. Misery, after all, loves company!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by JimW. on 1/17/2002 at 10:22:01 PM
I guess we'd better fasten our lap-straps, we seem to be in for a bumpy ride!

Unless I'm mistaken, this particular list is to do with vintage English iron. Perhaps it's time for adding a new list to do with hobby-horses? I certainly wouldn't go so far as Vindicator in attacking Albert, as I haven't made a study of his posting history. However, out of curiousity, I went back and re-read his previous post on this subject. It was rather short and contained this sentence:

"One need not go to any great length on this site to make the point that alcohol and road travel are a dangerous mix whether it be on cycle or in an auto."

Then, a couple of weeks later, he comes back and, in the guise of compliments to Trophy, he reverts back to his original point, and proceeds to go on at great length on this site about it. Our Brit brethren have a term to cover this sort of behaviour: S___Stirring. And they're not talking about Schwinns.

Getting back to "The City Of Brotherly Love", Philadelphia; I might point out that they have a very large and zealous police force; and have been known to pull people over for merely walking under the influence. (But, they turned us loose when we were able to prove that my friend and I only had 10 more feet to go.)They would love to have the opportunity to do a mass arrest of tipsy cyclists.

Or has this discussion already got to the stage at which it is purely to do with the evils of John Barleycorn? If so, it's definitely time for the hobby-horse list.

Off-topic, I've finally succeeded in developing a cycle accessory (Patent Pending) which enables the rider to keep both hands on the handlebars while smoking.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trophy Bikes Sponsorship of Bar Hopping by Bike posted by Vindicator on 1/17/2002 at 10:49:26 PM
Sounds like a neat idea Jim. Of cousrs before it goes into production you'll need to have CPSC certification, which means indepth field testing under adverse conditions. May I, kind sir, be the first to offer my assistance in said field trials. OBTW... can I have the optional drink holder installed?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Drinking posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/18/2002 at 2:27:02 PM
Although I had always been brought up with never driving while drinking, I never applied that golden rule to cycling until I was in my late teens. I had cycled to a party, and though I had been drinking, figured since I could keep the bike upright, must be sober. I have to say it was a great ride. During that short trip home I felt I had all the qualifications of a winning Tour de France rider, and I marveled at my sprinting and climbing qualities. Next morning I woke up with cramps in what felt like every muscle in my body, but the worst was that both of my wheels were oval shaped, and the derailleur hanger was bent. To this day I wonder if I had put my life or for that matter, any one else's at risk.
Sobering thoughts from rainy, drizzly, dark, Vancouver

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Early 50's Raleigh Sports Tourist posted by: Dick on 1/16/2002 at 8:38:30 PM
I would like to get in touch with someone that has an early (mens) 50's Raleigh Sports Tourist. I need information about the location of striping on the frame, fenders and chaincase as the parts I have are in pretty rough shape and the striping is no longer visible. Photos showing this detail would really be appreciated!

FOR SALE:   Cotter pin remover and press posted by: Jim on 1/16/2002 at 6:23:06 PM
For sale nice cotter pin remover and press$50 shipped
I also have a park double stand $350 you must pick up or I will deliver to Monson Mass bike show. HTK Truing stand $75. Antique cast iron truing stand $100. I have a nice lot of bike tools for $165. Sugino bottom bracket tool set for $40 fits maxy and mighty compe. I also have a ton of weinmann brake levers in various styles. New TOURING BAGS for $24 shipped. Email for photos or check out some of my listings on the Schwinn Forums page for photos. Lots more stuff to come. Also check out my ebay auctions under seller name thriumph.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Cotter pin remover and press posted by Jim on 1/18/2002 at 12:54:52 AM
Cotter pin tool is sold.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Cotter pin remover and press posted by Jim on 1/20/2002 at 5:24:08 PM
Touring bags are sold

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Cotter pin remover and press posted by Jim on 1/20/2002 at 11:00:16 PM
Bags are still available. They are not leather. Thanks

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hero posted by: Rob on 1/16/2002 at 2:03:24 AM
I saw a very old looking ladies style 'Hero' bike in a consignment store for around $100 CDN ($63US). I don't know anything about them but it looked to me like a 50 or 60 year old English bike. It had rod brakes; color was black. Condition looked good, but rather tired. I didn't spend too much time on it...Is it worth a second look?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hero posted by sam on 1/16/2002 at 3:47:33 AM
I think they are Tiwann--Far east for sure.Cost about $100 new in mexico.Single speed is all I've seen.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hero posted by DBean on 1/16/2002 at 5:50:45 PM
Hero's Indian.

AGE / VALUE:   Catalogs posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/15/2002 at 11:44:39 PM
I was given a huge stack of old bike catalogs and calendars.
Many are Canadian and I have never heard of so many diffrent companies and names of bikes! Sure enough, there is a Chopper style bike shown from 1972!

I have a Peugot (French) catalog from 1982/1983 and it describes the high end stuff. Where on the web is a Retro Peugot site?
We didn't see the Canadian bikes in the states and after looking at many of it, I say "Thank Heavens!"

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Catalogs dusty adventuring posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/16/2002 at 9:24:53 PM
My first antique Fasto Coppi poster is a nice one. It was asleep in between the pages of an old catalog. I gasped at seeing it, unfloded it gently and said to myself " Youre in the presence of something cool" I have to learn Italian one of these days. I can't read it!! An unbelievable collection of posters and catalogs. These were taken down carefully, when the shop folded and were saved. I begged that these be spared from the wood stove and so it was saved again for the last time. Sifting, looking and learning. 5 complete Huret Svelto derailers! The bug a boo is the 17 Simplex alloy chainguards but only one has the needed mounting clip. There must have been a time where I was fustrated because I didn't have a small needed part because now I have so many small parts in boxes. I make it a point to go for small fasteners and parts first. But these clips? I dunno. But I have one, so I can go hunting for it in the drawers in the future because I have an idea of what it looks like! The 1960's ladies fashions! She's in Rome, astride a cool folding bike. Now she's 70 and somebody's aged wife! Oh well.
You get back home so much easier (and faster too!) when you don't miss the right exit or turn off. I looked at every wheel until I was sure none of the high flange hubs were of "royal parentage"( Campy,of something like British Hub, Chater- Lea e.t.c.) They weren't and so they remain orphan wheels.

AGE / VALUE:   save your ratty tail lights! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/15/2002 at 11:38:51 PM
E-bay item #1060691040 Sturmey- Archer Lucas Bicycle tail light lamp
is at 14.99 and not over yet!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   save your ratty tail lights! posted by Ian on 1/16/2002 at 8:02:49 AM
How many of them do you want?? Here in New Zealand I can't give them away! Surely only Americans will pay for them, I can't image that even the English would want them back. Any of our English friends care to comment? Seriously though it seems that different bits have different values in different parts of the world, it is just a pity that the postal services charge an arm and a leg for even the small packets so that we can't easily set up an exchange mart.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Marko on 1/15/2002 at 9:39:12 PM
I have a Raleigh DL-1 "Tourist" in almost brand new condition. It is the med. size frame, about 22 in. You know the rest: 28 wheels, rod brakes, mud guards and really tops. I would like to sell it, but don't want to take a bath on it as I spent some good change on it. Could you people kindly give me some guidence on a price, or conversely would any one like to make an offer? It looks great, and has a new Lepper saddle which is just like a Brooks B-33 I believe: two springs in the back, and a loop coil spring in the front, some one killed the original B-66 by giving it too much attention. A very late model, hub is marked "84. I can, and will send a picture. The paint, pinstriping, and "almost" all the chrome is top notch. Almost meaning there is just a tiny tad of a rubbing of the chrome on the rear rim. Rides like an absolute DREAM!
I would much rather sell to one of you fine folks here if possible.
Thanks in advance!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:  Good home wanted for primo example Raleigh Rod brake Tourist  posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/15/2002 at 11:44:26 PM
This way it doesn't waste away in some shop where it winds up having it's fork bent into a lowrider project. These are great commuter bikes! Smooth and fun to ride!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Bob on 1/16/2002 at 1:03:11 AM
Please email me. I might well be interested. would like to see some pics and know history of the bike.

AGE / VALUE:   I got an Eaton posted by: Gralyn on 1/15/2002 at 5:23:52 PM
I got an Eaton. It doesn't look that great of a bike. I don't think the frame is a lightweight alloy. The rims are Rigida...I think that's how it's spelled. The Deurailler is Shimano, the brakes dia-compe...maybe...I don't remember, the saddle looks like crap...kinda like a department store saddle. It's a 10 speed. It has Eaton decals instead of head badge, I think it is RoadKing. But I liked the bend of the handlebars. They were different from most of my other bikes. I thought they would go well on my old Hercules track-style bike. Should I use it for parts? I'm thinking so. Any comments?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I got an Eaton posted by Gralyn on 1/15/2002 at 5:31:51 PM
SORRY....somehow I posted this to the wrong group!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh light bracket and bulb info posted by: Joe on 1/14/2002 at 8:34:15 PM
I'm looking for a decent Raleigh headlight bracket, the piece attached to the frame. Doesn't need to be perfect - just presentable.

Also, is there a halogen bulb that will work well with a dynohub?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh light bracket and bulb info posted by Skip on 1/14/2002 at 8:52:56 PM
Oldroads has one on the bikes for sale page.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh light bracket and bulb info posted by DBean on 1/14/2002 at 9:08:59 PM
See www.reflectalite.com for bulbs.

MISC:   Monson, Mass bike show Feb 17th posted by: bikeyard on 1/14/2002 at 12:56:19 PM
Jim Huntingtons Monson Mass bike show is Feb 17th at Memorial Hall located on Main St in Monson. Dealer space is $20. Dealer set up is 7am. Show starts at 8am. From points north take exit 8 off mass pike onto rt 32 south.
From points south take 84 to exit 70 Stafford Springs to rt 32 north.
Rt 32 turns into main st in Monson. For further info or questions contact Jim Huntington at days 413.283.4113 eve 413.267.5230

AGE / VALUE:   NICE Peugeot on "the bay" posted by: Warren on 1/14/2002 at 1:22:26 AM
Never mind English roadsters....Vive la France! Go to http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1062793386 This is the coolest suspension bike I've ever seen. Looks like nickel plated leaf springs on this rod brake beauty. Nice chainring as well. To die for...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE Peugeot on posted by Ben on 1/14/2002 at 3:21:25 AM
Looks like cable brakes to me, but operating two sets of rod-type "calipers." That suspension is ultra cool, though...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE Peugeot on posted by Warren on 1/14/2002 at 2:05:32 PM
Hey...good eye...or bad eye on my part. Can you figure out whether the front leaf springs on the fender are anything other than decorative? It ties in nicely with the overall look.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE Peugeot on posted by Warren on 1/14/2002 at 2:05:53 PM
Hey...good eye...or bad eye on my part. Can you figure out whether the front leaf springs on the front fender are anything other than decorative? It ties in nicely with the overall look.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE Peugeot on posted by DBean on 1/14/2002 at 2:53:41 PM
Cool bike - and the description is alone worth the price! I think the fork blades pivot at the crown and that wild spring controls it; you'll notice there's a bolt running thru the crown. And no front brake; this heavy baby is going to be fun to skid to a lo-o-o-ong stop!
I wonder if we'll start seeing a lot of stuff from Argentina now that their money is worth nothing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE Peugeot on posted by DBean on 1/14/2002 at 3:03:10 PM
P.S. Check out the seller's other Peugeot; a "race" bike. Item # 1062773369. Wooden mudguards!!! Trop chouette!!

AGE / VALUE:   Norman Rockwell posted by: sam on 1/13/2002 at 3:55:38 AM
Sat Jan.20,7:30AM CNN NEWS Small bit on Norman Rockwell's art...Then they flash a photo of Norman Rockwell ridding a Raleigh!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman Rockwell posted by Dale on 1/14/2002 at 3:24:03 AM
I have a small casual collection of photos of famous people on bikes, and have been looking for a still shot of Rockwell. Any hints? Also looking for Mary Poppins. Already have Einstein, Secretary Ridge and Paul Newmann (Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid).

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman Rockwell posted by JimW. on 1/17/2002 at 6:33:09 PM
If George Barris "The King Of The Kustomizers" is your idea of a famous person (He sure is mine!) then you will be interested in the current issue of BikeRod&Kustom webzine
Our cover photo shows him in the saddle of a fantastic bike of his own design.

Several years ago, on one of these lists, someone pointed us in the direction of a photo of Evel Knievel as a child, on his bike. I'd sure like to see it again, if someone could re-point us to it.

AGE / VALUE:   Vintage bike research ( Down into the pit to learn the truth) posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/12/2002 at 5:43:11 PM
What do you want with him for? Who are you? What do you know about it? Do you own one of these bikes?( Two actually) Who do you ride with? Who told you that? You are not supposed to know about that! Watch it, Chris!
I sit and take notes, my source talks to fast. He's fired up about other things. I go digging and asking and interviewing and I have to get around the ugly, snapping dogs that guard the gates. Otherwise we'll never know.
I've been thru these waters before but this one's going to be rough and tumble.

MISC:   BB spindle sizes posted by: DBean on 1/12/2002 at 2:15:40 PM
I'm setting up an old Raleigh Competition to use a SA 5-speed hub. I need advice on the bottom bracket. I plan to use a Sugino double crank w/out the smaller ring. It seems that I should use a BB with a shorter spindle to get the chain line closer. What size should it be? Are the parts of different brand cup-and-cone BBs interchangeable? Or should I get a whole new assembly in the right length?

   RE:MISC:   BB spindle sizes posted by Sheldon Brown on 1/12/2002 at 5:36:42 PM
The inner position on a double crank is generally just about right for simple chain drive setups. If you really want to use the outer position, you'll want a spindle that's about 5 mm shorter on the right. Newer spindles are symmetrical, so you'd get one 10 mm shorter, if that's what you've got. Older spindles, however, were longer on the right, so the conversion may not be quite so easy to calculate.

Fortunately, Sturmey-Archer hubs have adjustable chainline, but re-arranging spacers and flipping the dished sprocket.

Sheldon "My Competition Has A Shimano Nexus 7 Speed" Brown

   RE:MISC:   BB spindle sizes posted by smg on 1/14/2002 at 5:01:14 PM
In the past three months, I've put together two such road frames with Sturmey hubs, and getting the chainline right was the most irritating problem in both cases. What is frustrating is that as Sheldon says, the inner position gives a good line--but the resulting empty outer position looks pretty crude.
The Holy Grail for such a bike, of course, is to find a real single crankset. Track cranks are one possibility, but the real prize is one of the BMX single cranks. I found a Sugino with a 110mm bolt circle, which means there is a wide selection of chainrings available. (That was critical--in order to get up the Seattle hills, I have to gear very low).
Getting it to fit was a real chore; I experimented with a number of axles of varying dimensions before finding one that worked--reversed. I put the short end of the axle on the right side, and the chainline came out right. Happily, there was just enough clearance between the crank arm and the bottom-bracket cup.
As the nicer crank on the nicer frame, that one was the candidate for the latest project, an FW 4-speed hub. I had fears about the chainline--the hub is an early one that takes a threaded (track-type) sprocket with less room for lateral adjustment. To my pleasant surprise, the chainline worked out perfect. Perhaps some things are fated to be. . .?