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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   e- bay item #1068319743 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/27/2002 at 6:41:03 PM
These lamp brackets are cool. (The older style)
Still, Raleigh could have done better by the Heron on the brackets. Perhaps there is a reason why they didn't want it stated more boldly.
Sea monsters with long wiggly necks with perhaps a boat( frightened sailors too!) in it's jaws would be a cool badge and decal scheme.
Call the bike OgoPogo's revenge! Or "Flying Dutchman"
My favorite badge is the Ellswick "seahorse"
Not my auction, no relation to seller. Look to see all what this seller is offering. Make a note and keep tuned as rare goodies are offered.

FOR SALE:   FS NOS GB Alloy Touring Bars, Plus posted by: bikeyard on 1/27/2002 at 3:03:30 PM
1. FS NOS GB Alloy Touring bars. These are perfect for your vintage Raleigh. $40 shipped
2. Generator light set $32 shipped two available
3. Generator light bulbs. Headlight and Tail Light genuine miller. $14 shipped for a box of each

Email for photo and purchase
Thanks JIm

FOR SALE:   FS NOS Parts posted by: Jim on 1/27/2002 at 2:17:34 PM
FS NOS parts
1. Box with 4 NOS Raleigh axles. $15 shipped
2. Box full with 6 sets of Raleigh rear caliper brake bolts $18 shipped. 3 boxes available
3. Union pedals 9/16 axle with reflector, nice replacements $16 shipped 7 sets available.
4. Crown pedals 9/16 axle without reflector, $18 shipped 3 sets available.

email for photos and purchase.
Thanks Jim

FOR SALE:   Old Accessories posted by: Ian on 1/27/2002 at 9:06:22 AM
Among the bits and pieces purchased at this weekends scrounge are a couple of extras for old English bikes that may be of interest to you guys - if not I will put them on eBay but they are only small things and hardly worth the trouble. First is a cyclometer (mileage meter) for a 28" wheel, the type that has a small star wheel turned by a piece attached to a spoke. It shows 000.1 miles so I guess it is new. US$15 including postage anywhere. The other is an "Adie Cycle Lamp Lock" which has to be the ultimate in rare (and probably useless) accessories. It is a small clamping device that fits on the bottom of the lamp bracket and is tightened with a special key to stop your headlamp from being stolen! New and comes with instructions. I have three so will sell two and keep one. US$12 posted. I also have a bike lock of the type that clamps to the rear stays and locks through the wheel. It has a key and the top clamp but is missing the two small clamps that go round the stays although I may be able to find some that will do the job.US$15 posted.Email me for photos.Cheers, Ian.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Old Accessories posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/27/2002 at 6:05:34 PM
To find a cyclometer for the 28 inch wheel is rare. Usually you see these for the 24 and 26 inch wheel bikes. The cycle lamp lock is way cool!

AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey-Archer 3speed Hub posted by: Steve on 1/27/2002 at 5:48:07 AM
I'm interested in knowing how much a '61 Sturmey Archer hub is worth.It is the whole rear wheel assy. 26" It is in great shape, no rust and includes the cable and handlebar flat shifter. I would like to sell this. Please email me if you know. Thanks

FOR SALE:   original Raleigh tires & tubes posted by: Bruce on 1/27/2002 at 5:13:08 AM
I recently listed on ebay 1801544504 a pair of tires and tubes that came off my mint condition Superbe that I recently sold to a gentleman in New Orleans. He didn't desire the orignal tires so I listed them on ebay, I can email picture if desired, I have trouble putting picture on ebay, but can email it directly with no problem. Old dog new trick I guess. I will be selling my last two Brooks saddles also, have a B72 in nice shape and a B66 that is rough shape

AGE / VALUE:   great sprocket on ebay posted by: samclingo@hotmail.com on 1/27/2002 at 4:43:25 AM
Ya'll got to check this one out!#1067933870.(not mine etc)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   great sprocket on ebay posted by Ian on 1/27/2002 at 8:45:24 AM
Sam, you will have to learn to copy and paste the whole item title into your posts so dummies like me can go straight to it instead of fooling with the eBay item search. Make it easy for us old fellas with two finger typing skills Pleeease!!!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by: Tom on 1/25/2002 at 6:18:34 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1067507874&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1012520792&indexURL=0&rd=1 This is a nice old BSA but I am not sure of the era it came from. Any one know about the dates of BSA.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by Mark on 1/25/2002 at 11:46:12 AM
Good God, $7500??? WOW!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by Warren on 1/25/2002 at 2:51:22 PM
My guess?

This guy is full of hooey...he says the "wartime bike was made between 1900 and 1944"...and which war was this? 3 speeds at the turn of the century? Some of those parts look like replacements...stem, pedals...I think this guy is fishing for a sucker.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/25/2002 at 3:57:07 PM
What a treat to see it.However,the flashing pictures are anoying! I'm trying to study it and it keeps moving. I can just imagine some old codger yelling "Hold still! you whippersnapper!" Hydrolic brakes? I would like to know where he gets the idea that this is worth this amount. What gauges this?
Its a neat bike, special, unique. I would love to know the wheel rim size, see diagrams for the hubs,
period literature would be nice too.
Watch to see what happens. Strange "fish" are lurking in the "pond" huh?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by Ian on 1/25/2002 at 7:18:34 PM
Oh my God what have I done!! I just swapped a better early B.S.A. than that for some parts that are only worth about $100 ! Nobody told me I could get $7500 for it. Suckered again. What is more the guy I gave it to already has about 100 similar things. Boy he must be rich. Seriously though you guys would drool. He specialises in English roadsters pre 1950 mostly, likes single speeds because they are less complicated, has about 100 and does not restore them just gets them into good rideable condition and then invites anybody who wants to come to go on Sunday rides, usually about 10 t0 15 miles and then a coffe stop and a chat. He provides the bikes and all the riders need to do is wear old fashioned clothing. Most even ignore our compulsory helmet law. What a neat attitude and a great way to share old cycling with friends, acquaintences, students,even strangers. Have you ever seen a house where the verandah all the way round is completely covered with rideable bikes?? If you need to stay the night let him know in advance so some bikes can be moved out of the spare bedrooms! He has also established contact with Mr Wu and Mr Yang in China who make very good replica rod brake systems and fully enclosed chainguards to fit their very good replica rod brake bikes. More postings to come as I find out prices and availability. Have a nice day and keep the rubber side down. Ian.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by dafydd_williams on 1/25/2002 at 10:17:22 PM
I once saw an ebay sale for a early 70s Raleigh Sports, no pics, about three lines of description. The seller had $1000 as the opening bid. I just to email her and tell her the said news of me buying more or less the same bike for $50. It was removed about 2 days later.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by DBean on 1/26/2002 at 12:13:53 AM
Remember this cartoon? Dennis the Menace and his pal have a lemonade stand and the pal asks Dennis why they're asking $100 a glass. Dennis sez "We only have to sell one!"

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by Ben on 1/26/2002 at 2:45:44 PM
Where in the hell are the "Hydrolic" (sic) brakes? Imagine the cost if this bike had tires....

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: B.S.A "HYDROLIC" BICYCLE BRAKES posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/27/2002 at 7:22:36 PM
It it is something a bit more jazzed up than just common drum brakes then why did they stop making it? Perhaps cost?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Old BSA on Ebay posted by DBean on 1/28/2002 at 5:31:59 PM
There's nothing hydraulic or even "hydrolic" about those brakes; they're plain old cable-operated SA drum brakes. The seller's an idiot. All that work to take the pix, upload em, etc. Too bad ebay's insertion fee is, at most, $3.30. Of course, this "auction" has entertained quite a number of people!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    Old BSA on Ebay posted by: Tom on 1/25/2002 at 6:18:34 AM
Any one have any idea of how old this bike is on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1067507874&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1012520792&indexURL=0&rd=1 Looks nice, but for what the opening bid is I don't think it will get a bid. Now knock off the last 0 and he may get some bids. How does he know only that many were made? Any comments.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    Old BSA on Ebay posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/25/2002 at 3:59:01 PM
Somewhere along the line he was told that by somebody that was acquainted with what B.S.A. did. Probably

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    Old BSA on Ebay posted by Mark R. Millville NJ on 1/25/2002 at 10:11:32 PM
WOW! Where oh where do these folks come up with these prices?

AGE / VALUE:   ITEM#1067215384 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/24/2002 at 8:25:48 PM
Sixty dollars? for a 4 speed shifter? This is origonal and in great shape. I doubt if it's "new, never ever used" though.
25.OO perhaps up to 40? but Sixty? We see strange things happen sometimes. Still,I doubt it. We'll see. When I was gathered these up like a fiend, pulling open drawers, piling parts on the floor and buying every one, there was no method to the madness. Just a crazy fox, now I'm not so sure! Take those Raleigh R nuts for example!
Big white drawer, it's on roller bearings. I remember it all now.
Not my auction, no relation to seller. Twenty minutes from now I'll be mumbling in trafic,
60.00 dollars for a four speed shifter!

AGE / VALUE:   raleigh R S W 16 posted by: pat allen on 1/23/2002 at 11:22:21 PM
would like to know value of one of these bikes? it is green in color tire size 12x2 balloons the hub has a 66 and a 8 stamped on it handle bars and seat slide up and down and is a three speed just ballpark figure.thanks pat allen

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh R S W 16 posted by Sheldon Brown on 1/24/2002 at 5:46:31 AM
I sold a folding one on eBay a maybe a year ago for a bit over $200, which was a bit of a disappointment to me.

The non-folding models are much less desirable.

Sheldon Brown

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh R S W 16 posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/24/2002 at 8:18:33 PM
I pulled the extra long steel seatpost out of the Raleigh R.S.W.16 and I put it in the Raleigh Twenty where it'll get more use and I'm happy.
However, as Sheldon mentions at his Raleigh Twenty page, these are available in alloy and eventually I'll find one of those.

AGE / VALUE:   JC HIGGINS info posted by: Don Mowery on 1/23/2002 at 5:11:25 PM
I looked for information on the other sites you can check there ,they said try here, sr# 173898 Rear hub marded 3-speed, JC HIGGINS 50320, can you help me on year and worth bike is in real good shape even close on the worth will be helpful, Thanks a lot

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by: Michael McGettigan on 1/23/2002 at 2:59:49 AM
After 5 years without incident, Trophy Bikes must sadly drop its official "sponsorship" of the Bike and Pub Crawl. (read on please!) This is thanks to a series of phone calls by Mr. Albert Meister, a public school teacher from Philadelphia who has decided to jam his views into this event in a most negative fashion.
Mr.Meister proved impossible to reason with, and perhaps he has some personal stake in things that he will not reveal. My loved ones have suffered greatly due to the misuse of alcohol and vehicles, so I don't take things lightly. I also don't take lightly to someone coming up and telling me what to do with a cycling event.

Mr. Meister informs me that he's notified the police (of what, I can't imagine) and he asked for my insurance carriers' name and telephone. I gave him another phone number of mine and he called the next morning at 9am!

It was a treat to hear him tattling to me about a "bar ride" given by an irresponsible bike shop owner (me) and warning of catastrophe.
I had to hang up to keep from laughing aloud, and when he called back he got my voicemail and he is now madder than a wet hen. He left a message noting that "I will be hearing from the police" about the pub crawl and that he will "post my actions to the web so everyone knows how I operate..."

I spoke to my insurance agent, who agreed that Mr. Meinster sounds like an idiot. He did advise me to drop our official sponsorship of the Bike and Pub Crawl, which we are doing.

HOWEVER-- traditions die hard. An old friend (not connected with the shop) has agreed to lead the 2002 Bike and Pub Crawl for anyone who wishes to come. Trophy, of course, cannot have any official business with the 2002 Pub Crawl, thanks to Mr. Meinster's meddling. This is hopefully the last we'll hear from him about other people's actions. I look forward to reading more about English bikes and their riders in this space.

Sorry to go into chapter and verse, but I certainly hope to see new friends and old at the 2002 Great British Bike Weekend in Philadelphia (April 19-21, 2002)

McGettigan/Trophy Bikes

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Ben on 1/23/2002 at 7:22:56 AM
All I can say is that this is particularly unsatisfying.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Bob on 1/23/2002 at 10:33:25 AM
All I can say again is my personal apologies to Trophy Bikes and owner/sponsor of the Vintage English Bike Weekend. Sounds like a fabulous event and sure wish I could be there. No one should be subjected to such obnoxious harrassment. As for Albert, here's hoping we never see him on this site again. Thanks, Albert, for being so unreasonable and ruining things for others. Please go somewhere else and don't bother us again.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Warren on 1/23/2002 at 4:39:57 PM
Albert, I'm stunned that you are a teacher. I pity the children who have to listen to you and then think they are listening to a voice of reason and authority. How would you like to be removed by the school board because others see your zealotry, intolerance and anger as a negative quality for a teacher? You should try to learn something from this. It's fortunate for you that most people try not to meddle in the affairs of others.

Please refrain from responding to anything I write. Your email address is already filtered to go straight into the trash where it belongs.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Wayne on 1/23/2002 at 4:48:37 PM
After reading about this, all I can say is that I wished I lived in your area.
This would allow me to attend this event just as a protest to the actions of
this person.
I work for a school board, and most of the teachers I deal with are quite normal.
Based on what I see and hear, and what this Mr. Meister did, I
feel he should DEFINITELY be in another field of endeavour!
May your "Pub Crawl" go well!
P.S. I am a non-drinker so the desire for alcoholic beverages has nothing to
do with my reply!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Ben on 1/23/2002 at 5:28:04 PM
Here is a brief exchange I had with the aforementioned Albert, who did not seem to be a lunatic at the time...

Albert writes:
Ben, I was not moralizing; drinking and road use do not mix. A cyclist
who has had even one drink is impaired. McGettigan's group will cycle
through the center of Philadelphia on a weekend when the traffic is
heavy. The possibilities for mishap are considerable. McGettigan should
have his so called "pub crawl" but it should be on foot. Albert

I responded:
Not knowing what arrangements have been made for safety, I cannot respond to your comments about the relative risk these riders will face. My point in all of this is that in all pursuits we as a society face similar risk, whether walking in a crosswalk, driving on the highway, or whatever. I believe the reaction to this event by some is out of proportion to the actual risk.

It has been documented in many studies that a typical city cyclist is much less likely to get in an accident with a car than a pedestrian, in NYC the difference is a factor of 50. Other studies show that 15% of cyclists involved in a fatal accident tests positive for alcohol. However, that is mitigated by the fact that in NYC in 1992 there were 3,500-plus car/bike accidents, and only 17 fatalities.

From a demographic point of view, the type of people who would attend such a thing would be predominantly:
- experienced cyclists
- college educated
- over 35 years of age

With this in mind, the overall risk of the pub crawl seems low.

I have gotten no reply to this from Albert.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Here, Here Warren! posted by willowdawn@excite.com on 1/23/2002 at 5:36:38 PM
I couldn't agree with you more! It's amazing how the voice of one stupid person can be the undoing of years of tradition. This whole situation reminds me of "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. All the idiocy of the looters,pilagers & power mongers. The ruination of a healthy society. To quote John Galt; "I swear by my life and the love of it, That I will never life for another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.". An oath I imagine Albert would have difficulty comprehending, much less affirming.

I make this motion, and welcome all those who support me to speak and be heard.
To Vin at VVVintage, I ask that you take all measures at your disposal to ban Albert and prevent him from further posting at this site. I find his actions reprehensible, and I'm saddened that one individual has been given so much power over society. To this end, I proclaim... Take this power away NOW!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Art on 1/23/2002 at 8:00:51 PM
It seems to me that the desire to raise the question of safety as it relates to drinking and cycling is a good thing. It seems that issue was aired in the original post about this topic. What I don't get is Albert's insistance in continuing to fan the flames over this issue. All he has done is taken the sponsorship aspect out of the event. The original positive intent is lost. The event will still go on. Just as people will go to bars, and art openings, and private parties, and sporting events and consume alcohol. All with driving or cycling or walking as, at least the last time I looked, a perfectly legal act. I quit drinking 15 years ago and when I did, I was under the delusion that all people drank like I had, alcoholically and irresponsibly. What a surprise to discover that most people drink responsibly! I think that most people connected with this event would act responsibly. Raising the awareness issue at first was a good thing, but geez Albert, what's the point here? Going on a pub crawl doesn't equate to dangerous or reckless cycling anymore than going to a bar equates that one is going to drive home drunk. It could happen, but this culture allows people the option to act responsbily or not, no matter how unpleasant the behavior of those who choose to act irresponsibly. I'm not sure what the real issue is here, Albert, but it seems to me that it's a lot larger than a pub crawl. (I thought the real genius in this exchange, and the thing that made me laugh out loud, was the earlier post about drinking and smoking. I think the fact that this site exists with very few rules and a whole lot of tolerance and humor and honesty is great. I'm sorry that sometimes people just don't get it) Art

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Sheldon Brown on 1/24/2002 at 5:56:43 AM

Illigitimi non carborundum!


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by JimW. on 1/24/2002 at 6:05:51 AM
I guess Vindicator is vindicated, huh? Thanks, Art, I'm the genius who has perfected the (patent pending)bicycle smoking accessory. I'm sure I'll sell a million of them.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   TROPHY BIKES DROPS sponsorship of PUB CRAWL posted by Dewane on 1/25/2002 at 5:37:19 PM
All it takes is one jackass to ruin a good thing, unfortunately. Then, when he is challenged, he will hide behind the law, or the flag. "I was just trying to save people's lives." Not so, just trying to ruin other people's fun. I picture roving, drunken English roadster bicycle gangs on the streets of Philly. Not gonna happen. How many irresponsible people you know that collect English bicycles? Mike, I'll be with you in spirit. Dewane from Northern California.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   25" frame BSA Roadster w/chaincase for sale in San Francisco posted by: Randy on 1/23/2002 at 12:33:35 AM
Not my sale (and I don't have the money right now to snap it up myself, or I wouldn't be posting!)



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   25 posted by Mark on 1/23/2002 at 3:03:34 AM
That is an Indian made "BSA". Looks good from a distance, but run! Don't walk away from it. Especially for $250!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   25 posted by Randy on 1/23/2002 at 6:31:09 AM
Thanks for the "heads-up" Mark. Being in the general area, if I were considering it I would have gone for a look in person first...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by: dafydd_williams on 1/22/2002 at 9:16:50 PM

[not mine, yadda yadda...]

Is the top tube seriously bent or did they redesign them at some point? The chainguards clearly says "Sports," but something in general just seems off...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by Mark on 1/22/2002 at 10:07:30 PM
Yes they certainly made 'um like that! I bought one for my brothers' son just like that, only red. It was intended for younger Raleigh riders, around ten or so. That particular unit is beautiful!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/22/2002 at 11:47:15 PM
I pulled one out of a shop today just like this for $50.00 used, ridden, deflated, cracked origonal tires. Still a nice, complete bike. I didn't like giving that much for it because it was silver color. Myself, I think the colors to have in this bike is the yellow one. Then the Green and Coffee brown one. The special thing with this bike is that it is new, out of the box new!

I didn't notice if this one has the Raleigh self adjusting brakes or not. I don't care for those and I switch them out. It's the plastic that bothers me with them.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/22/2002 at 11:59:53 PM
Ideally, A Raleigh Chopper new in the box,(they're cool and hot) then a rod brake 24 inch enclosed chain bike, (black) then the Raleigh Twenty,(green) then down to the Supurbe in Green, then the Sports model. In that order.

This bike looks fine, but one does have to be careful when buying new out of the box bikes. I did buy a damaged one one time. Chances of it happening are slim but it's wise to look it over. Lots of folks like the Sports model bike very much. Many are restored lovingly.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by Warren on 1/23/2002 at 1:49:18 AM
I'm a cynic (no kidding)...I've seen single speeds with bent top tubes but never on a Sports model. That chainguard is like those off of the late model Tourists and the rear fender has two stays like a Superbe...I think the Sports models had only one. So what you say? This is a model made for a specific market and who know when it was made. It says 20 years old and that is likely the case. But $360 for a Buy-it-Now is not a deal I'd be taking...especially on an odd-ball model. Really, I'd rather buy several models from the 60's or earlier for that kind of money.
Just my 2 cents...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by Mark on 1/23/2002 at 3:07:53 AM
As I said I bought one for my nephew at a yard sale that looked just exactly like that bike. Identicle save for color. I only paid $35 though. $ 360 seems a tad high. I believe ours had a hub marked '72. They were intended as a junior model, for youngsters.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh sport on ebay posted by DBean on 1/23/2002 at 3:42:13 AM
You'll notice the chainguard doesn't fit properly over the chainwheel. This model was sold as the "Colt" in the 70s; a first big-wheeled bike for kids. I suspect that mismatched parts were assembled to exhaust the inventory in Nottingham and that's how this particular bike happens to be called a "Sports."