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Archived: English Roadsters

WANTED:   centurion by cycleworks posted by: Donald Pflueger on 3/11/2002 at 5:39:50 PM
hi, im looking for any information about my bike that i can find. its a centurion made by cycleworks. the brass nameplate on the front head tube says made in england so i feel its safe to assume its an older english road bike. every componene is made from aluminum including the frame. its very light and very fast. i have been all over the net but have found absolutely no information about these bikes. are they rare or something? i found this bike in a second hand store and bought it for $20.00. the only part that seems to not be original is the front deraileur which is a schwinn. everything else is suntour. the brakes are weinmann's, including the pads. i want to repaint this bike since it has a couple of scratches in it and i would like to find replacement decals. please help me. thank you. Don

   RE:WANTED:   centurion by cycleworks posted by Warren on 3/12/2002 at 4:13:34 AM
It's a little odd because Centurion was a lightweight racer originally from Japan and then the USA whereupon the name was dropped for the Scott Ironman marque. I don't think they were aluminum and I'm quite certain they were never made in England. Maybe it's a custom bike. Are you sure about the frame tubing...do you see a sticker or is it just because it feels and sounds light? There were some very light Japanese tubesets.

Finally you may get more responses by posting to the lightweight discussion forum...this one deals with the more "stately" (read "heavier") brand of bike...the roadster.

    RE:WANTED:   centurion by cycleworks posted by donald pflueger on 3/12/2002 at 12:52:17 PM
well im sure the frame is aluminum because ive stripped the paint off and ive given it the magnet test. i figured since the brass plate on the front of the frame says cycleworks made in england that it must be some sort of english road bike. it may very well be a one of a kind custom built bike. ive looked at a lot of the centurions and most of them (the iron man models) have the bio-space?? deraileurs where mine has suntour components. unless everything has been replaced on this bike, im not sure, im not an expert. thanks for your help tho and i will keep digging for info on this.

   RE: RE:WANTED:   centurion by cycleworks posted by Warren on 3/12/2002 at 7:28:10 PM
There were some very nice Centurion models that used high end Shimano and Suntour road-specific components. The biopace fad was somewhat embraced by the "tri" crowd in their pursuit of perfect kinetics and form.

Was the frame painted metallic orange? It was a favourite colour on the earlier Japanese models.

This could also be an example of a custom bike that was decalled with "Centurion" to appease them as a sponsor.

   RE:RE: RE:WANTED:   centurion by cycleworks posted by donald pflueger on 3/12/2002 at 11:58:44 PM
the bike was painted a dark metallic blue. through some research i did the bike is definently a centurion but not from the iron man era.as far as the brass nameplate goes, ive asked my brother-in-law (he is the one painting it for me at his body shop) to confirm whether it was made in england or not.the rear deraileur is a suntour ags model. is this bike worth anything or am i wasting my time? ill have pics of it soon if any one wants to see it. thanks, don

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Marx Nomad posted by: Eric on 3/11/2002 at 3:23:06 PM
I have recently bought a separable with 16" wheels and I am trying to track down some information about it. The seat tube has a badge adhered to it with 'Nomad by Marx' written on it. There is a sticker on the head tube with a capital 'M' on it, but it seems to be hand painted and it is also covering two small holes which I assume to be the original rivet holes for the head badge. The front hub, handlebars, pedals and various other parts have Made in England stamped on them. The rear hub is a Perry B-500 coaster. I can provide photos to any interested party. If someone has any information, it would be greatly appreciated.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Marx Nomad posted by Eric on 3/15/2002 at 3:47:16 PM
I can not believe that I have already be bumped to the second page and noboby out there has anything on this bike. I have cleaned up the bike a bit and it would seem that all of the parts were made in England. There must be a catalogue somewhere.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cable routing posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 3/11/2002 at 1:50:53 PM
Brake cable gave up on me, and before I install a new one, I want to find the best possible route. The cable goes from my LEFT lever to the drum brake on the left side, where the chainstay meets the drop-out. The drum brake has weaker springs than a normal caliper, so if there is any friction in the cable/housing, or any tight bends, the brake lever won't return and the drum sticks for a while. I've got the black, teflon coated cable, and quality housing, but I'm a bit stumped on the best possible routing. Any suggestions?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cable routing posted by Bill Putnam on 3/11/2002 at 8:28:39 PM
If you don't care about originality, what I did was to
install a nutsert in the down tube a couple inches below
the head tube, put a cable stop into it, and then drill
and tap a hole in the bb to mount a modern nylon under
bb cable guide. Then the only housing present is between
the brake lever and downtube (near where a down tube shifter
would go.) If you don't want to put a nutsert in you could
also use a fairly hefty clamp on cable stop using the pump
peg to keep the clamp from sliding down the down tube. I
would not for instance trust the plastic insert for a
standard Sturmey 3 speed shift fulcrum to be up to the
stress, but would consider the older metal insert.

If you want to keep it to the original configuration,
though, the modern cable and housing will work much better
than the original cable/housing.

Bill Putnam

FOR SALE:   Chrome Ladies' Raleigh Sports posted by: David on 3/9/2002 at 1:30:48 PM
NMA - all-chrome ladies' Sports w/B72. 60s probably (block lettering).

   RE:FOR SALE:   Chrome Ladies' Raleigh Sports posted by Steve on 3/10/2002 at 12:16:33 PM
It reminds me of a Raleigh Tourist(DL1) I owned 15 years ago, all chrome, a very bright bike with cromed rod brake components. It had been a custom made for someone at Gieves of London in 1971.

MISC:   Whutzit? posted by: Stacey on 3/9/2002 at 11:11:36 AM
On my list of errands yesterday was a visit to Roger, my welder/painter, to pick up pieces from my latest project. While I was there he directed my attention to a re-painted (by someone else) English looking 3-Speed with 26" wheels, cottered 3 pc crankset, alloy (but unbranded)side pull calipers, and nicely lugged frame. All frame decals were long gone. Poking deeper for some indentifying markings I spied the traditional thumb shifter... It was marked "Sears & Roebuck". Ok, a Sears bike. Let's look at the hub for the date stampings. Surprise, surprise! What I found was not the S-A hub that I had expected, instead the hub was marked Sears Model 503, Made in Austria. Even more parculiar is the fact that instead of a nice flat, smooth external face on the hub center the thing had two contured ribs banding the circumfrence. I'm certian to the avid Brit bike affecinado this is a commmon design, though this neophyte has never seen one before. With the "Austria" marking would this be a S-A hub? Or perhaps something from the Styer-Daimler-Puch complex? Add this to the "Hey, look what I found!" list. Question, deficate or drachmas?

   RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Mark R. on 3/9/2002 at 12:17:40 PM
Several companies made licenced copies of the S/A hub, and this was one of them. I was told that the parts interchange with a S/A hub as well. I had one of these bikes a long time bake. I believe it was made by Stehr in Germany OEM for Sears. It was a reasonable bike. I rode well, shifted just fine, and looked pretty good. I doubt it would have a great deal of value though.

   RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Mark R. on 3/9/2002 at 12:19:28 PM
Several companies made licenced copies of the S/A hub, and this was one of them. I was told that the parts interchange with a S/A hub as well. I had one of these bikes a long time back. I believe it was made by Stehr in Germany OEM for Sears. It was a reasonable bike. It rode well, shifted just fine, and looked pretty good. I doubt it would have a great deal of value though. (stupid cheap keyboard!)

   RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Brian Hayes on 3/9/2002 at 8:55:02 PM
According to Tony Hadland's "The Sturmey Archer Story", the Steyr-Daimler-Puch hubs were out-of-patent AW clones made from 1954 to 1972, to the tune of 1,989,905 total production units. These were sold under the Steyr of Styria brand and were copies, not license-built it seems.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Brian Hayes on 3/9/2002 at 8:58:44 PM
Whoops! That's "Steyr OR Styria brand". Sorry.

   RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Fred on 3/10/2002 at 2:18:48 PM
Stacey: I have a bike that sounds just like the one you describe. See it at; "http://fredhaj.tripod.com/austropage.html". Mine is customized but you can still see the conformation of the frame. The hub is identical to the one you describe. It is a very well built bike

   RE:RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Stacey on 3/10/2002 at 9:15:44 PM
NICE RIDE, Fred! Yes, that's the bike Roger has only it's a step through frame. Thanks for sharing that with us.

BTW-You might want to check your link to BRK's page. 8-)

   RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by edgarecks on 3/11/2002 at 7:11:34 PM
I took Sturmey guts out of a "Sears" branded hub shell and replaced them with S-A five speed stuff. It also came with a neat egg shaped shifter, haven't found a use for it yet.

   RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by Dale on 3/13/2002 at 5:45:56 PM
My bro also has one of these, saved from the curb.

I remember hearing that the hub wasn't as durable as the SA, so if you're klydesdale sized (like me) you probably want to treat it gently. Maybe the metallurgy wasn't as good or some such.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Whutzit? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/14/2002 at 7:40:03 PM
Clysdale sized! Yes! This is why I hear Campy called "Crumpagnolo"
6'5 and he tears it up! Poor Sturmey Hub, I heard it yell. "Don't let him ride me, Noooo!"
I ask What did you do? as I examine the broken innards on the bench.

WANTED:   Indian decals posted by: Thom on 3/7/2002 at 11:53:08 PM
I hate to have to repaint this classic but oxydation and rust aren't really a color are they? Does anyone know where I can get Indian decals for a '52 Indian Scout? I have the head badge and I know the bike color if it matters, but I can't find any decals.
thanks in advance

   RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by Jeff R on 3/8/2002 at 1:53:50 AM
You can get the Indian decal that goes on the seat tube from KIWI Indian parts in Riverside, California. Their phone number is 909-780-5400. They make reproduction parts for Indian motocycles. The part number is KIP-11704. This is an exact duplicate of the one on your bicycle. They do not make the one for the chainguard. If you find out where to get that one let me know.
I hope this helps, Jeff

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/8/2002 at 4:08:38 PM
Why Not? Why not one for the chainguard?

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by Jeff R on 3/9/2002 at 1:44:41 AM
The decal on the seat tube is the same as one that is used on the Indian motocycle. The chainguard decal is different and is only used on the bicycle. My guess is this Indian motocycle parts company has no interest in bicycle restoration.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by Art on 3/9/2002 at 5:43:28 AM
Found this Indian decal on e-bay. Not sure if you can use it, but thought I'd pass it on.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by Jeff R on 3/9/2002 at 12:51:47 PM
The original decal was gold script with a thin red line hiliting the gold script. I belive the red line is missing on the one on ebay. It could be for an earlier motorcycle.

   RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by sam on 3/10/2002 at 1:01:41 AM
It's a shame the chain guard decal is not reproduced,the Indian with full headress!Maybe www.koolbikes.com can help.

   RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by Tom on 3/10/2002 at 3:01:45 AM
A shop in my area can reproduce almost any decal. They don't do water based decals. Th one for the Indian can be done on very thin decal sheets. All I need is a picture of the original decal with a measurement of it. He does it with a cpomputer and does a nice job. He does a lot of automotive decals and they look original. If any one wants a decal made email me with a picture and I will take it to him and see if he can do it. I can get a cost of it from him at that time. I will need an exact measurement of the decal before I go to him and a nice clear picture.

   RE:WANTED:   Indian decals posted by Brian on 3/12/2002 at 4:35:19 AM
I have an original advertising brochure for Indian lightweight bicycles. It has full color pics of the chainguard decal for both the Scout and Princess. Lets get a count of all who want decals made.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wiring Color posted by: Dick on 3/7/2002 at 11:14:53 PM
Can anyone tell me the color of the jacket on the brake and shift cables and the Dynahub wiring used on Raleigh Bikes which were painted Bronze green, such as the Superbe?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wiring Color posted by David on 3/7/2002 at 11:38:30 PM
My old catalog shows white brake & shift cables on the [one] green Raleigh in it. Brown gets black. I'd guess all the wires were the same - dirty white.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wiring Color posted by Schwinnderella on 3/8/2002 at 2:00:28 AM
My green Superbe with dynohub has gray outer cables which I think are original.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wiring Color posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/8/2002 at 2:45:03 PM
A friend sent me the original wiring harness from a Dyno-hub and battery tube last year, the colour is grey with flexible plastic silver clips that hold the wires together.

If you're going after complete originality on your bike, and are not too concerned with braking performance, use the orginal brake cables. (I've got quite a bit in black, with the grooves on the outer casing, you're welcome to it) However brake cables have come a long way since the '50's, and the original cable will compress when exerting pressure, giving a "spongy" feel. The teflon lined cable housing is far superior. You can even use the same housing so it matches the gear shift cable: Go down to a hobby shop that carries model railroad stuff. Pick out the thin brass tubing that just slides over the gear cable. (about $1.00 for a 12" section) Arrange your gear cable, slide on the knurled nut that will mate to the indicator chain, then slice a 1/4" piece of tubing, plce it on the wire, and crimp it on the gear cable. Voila! a matching colour-coded gear cable tht looks factory.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wiring Color posted by Warren on 3/9/2002 at 10:56:31 PM
I've had three grey ribbed sets on Superbes from the late 60's/early 70's...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bike type? posted by: Evileye on 3/7/2002 at 7:01:18 PM
I was wondering about a old bike that I found at a garage sale, in rather a sorry state, that I purchased for five (Canadian) dollars. It's a single speed, coaster brake, with 28 inch wheels. Raleigh type rims. The interesting part on this bike is the crank sproket. It seems to resemble a thick stick man with his arm above his head, looking like atlas supporting the world. Is this an old Raleigh bicycle? I cannot seem to read the serial nummber from rust and paint over top.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bike type? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/8/2002 at 4:15:42 PM
Great balls of fire! I have never heard of nor seen this description of chainring before. The rims are Canadian Westwood's and the 28 X 1 1/2 tires for the English Raleigh's do not interchange with your's. Nor do they fit.
If you could read the serial number, it wouldn't do any good because this is not likely a Raleigh. It is creapy writing to somebody named evileye! Try to find a bike shop that can sell you tires, make sure you try them there. Are these rims maroon in color or chrome? A good deal, the C.C.M.coaster brake is beefy and a great brake. Canadian bikes are a trip!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bike type? posted by Dewane on 3/8/2002 at 5:04:27 PM
Possibly it's a Humber.

From Sheldon Brown's web page on English 3-speeds:

"Humber chainwheels have cutouts representing 5 little people running around in a circle, with their feet outward, and their heads joining at the middle."

They almost look headless, in some pictures I've seen.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bike type? posted by Evileye on 3/8/2002 at 9:52:49 PM
Yes, It is a Humber. As for the wheels I learned the hard way about tire sizing and which wheels fit with which. Thanks anyways.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bike type? posted by Tom on 3/9/2002 at 4:11:49 AM
I found a bike shop that has both Canadian and British size of 28" tires. The tires will be available in a few weeks. I don't know what the tread pattern is yet. If anyone needs some email me and I will get back to you. I won't get the exact cost until they are in. I posted last week about the 28" rims in both British and Canadian. I found what I need locally. To those who emailed me thanks for the help.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bike type? posted by Evileye on 3/12/2002 at 7:20:51 PM
As for tyres british and canadian sizes, there is one shop that I know of that carries many tyres and tells me that getting them is really not that difficult. Most other shops tell me, " Good Luck finding thoughs".

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   E- BAY ITEM #1080231296 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/7/2002 at 4:15:44 PM
E- bay item #1080231296 Sturmey-Archer Dyno- hub head light.
This is a seldon seen headlight, it has the bakelite switch.
Not my auction, no relation to seller
I would never take it off the bike, let alone sell it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   E- BAY ITEM #1080231296 posted by Ed on 3/7/2002 at 4:55:30 PM
This seller has a couple of other interesting headlamps on Ebay also. If interested you may want to check his other auctions. Lots of other neat stuff too.No relation,not my auction etc.Cheers, Ed.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sporter fender colour posted by: Evileye on 3/7/2002 at 3:40:15 PM
I have a question regarding the fenders of my Raleigh. The bike is a black Raleigh with white fenders with the Raleigh logo on the back fender (mudguard). Is the this the original colour of the fenders? The Raleigh is from 68' I believe, with a Strumey-Archer TCW III 3-speed coaster brake, I know it's unreliable. Also the handlebars are not the "North Road" type, but rather a crecsent shape handlebars, not wide like some old crusiers. Is this also original?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sporter fender colour posted by Ed on 3/7/2002 at 5:17:32 PM
I recall a green Raleigh with white fenders which was on Ebay a couple of years ago.The fenders had the Heron decals and appeared to be original.This bike also had a white chainguard labeled Raleigh.The design of the guard was unlike any I ever saw on a Raleigh, it resembled those seen on Columbia cruisers from the fifties.The bike had platform pedals.I don't recall anything unusual about the handlebars, but I believe that the headpost was also accented in white.It was a neat bike,did not appear to have been repainted.It was a little tall for me and probably beyond my price range but I was really tempted to try to buy it. Maybe someone out there with a better memory can provide some additional information. Cheers Ed.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sporter fender colour posted by Evileye on 3/7/2002 at 7:00:39 PM
Thanks Ed,
I mainly seen white fenders on a ladies Raleigh with the 28 inch wheels. The fender were a different design being, larger and round, as well as, the stays that attach to the fenders to axles were unpainted metal, one piece.

AGE / VALUE:    Good chart, but not perfect posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/7/2002 at 3:15:25 PM
I wish the serial # chart was more acurate and not just for Raleigh's.
Serial #'s starting with the prefix BB is not listed at all.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    Good chart, but not perfect posted by Geoff Rogers on 3/8/2002 at 4:15:14 PM
I agree. The chart is wonderful in that it's all we have, but it is not perfect. The prewar Raleigh Record Aces, for instance, have no letter prefix or suffix (mine is 51028, and another similar bike I know has just five numbers as well), but the chart does not address this. Since my R-R-A did not come with its original rear wheel, I cannot date it accurately. Does anybody have one out there who is willing to compare serial numbers?
Surely, somewhere in Nottingham (or elsewhere: Birmingham? South Africa? China?), somebody has access to an accurate sequence of English bicycle serial numbers, maybe even from bikes other than Raleighs?
We can hope.
Geoff Rogers

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Good chart, but not perfect posted by Chris on 3/8/2002 at 10:17:24 PM
I'll e- mail you

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Good chart, but not perfect posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/8/2002 at 10:27:06 PM
The Prewar Raleigh Record Ace bikes were part of Raleigh's very finest hours. The nicest bikes to ever come out of Raleigh.
To me, it's odd that these machines fall through the cracks.

I have a exploded diagram sheet that covers this model specifically, it shows decals and all the bit parts that make up the machine are listed.
The Blue Streak is a couple of steps down, but I still want to get ahold one of these one day.I want to say that I am darn grateful for the efforts made by the fellow that helped get this serial number chart found and posted her on oldroads.com

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Good chart, but not perfect posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/9/2002 at 8:30:11 PM
Prewar Raleigh Record Ace machines were designated model 26. But that was never anywhere on the bikes and unless you were a Raleigh dealer or had acess to dealer type books you would never know that.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Good chart, but not perfect posted by Geoff on 3/11/2002 at 6:17:25 PM
I have three prewar Raleigh catalogs (1932, 1936 and 1940, which is arguably wartime, not prewar), and they all refer to the R-R-A as Model 45. But as you say, it doesn't say so on the bike! The down tube does say, "The New Raleigh R-R-A Record Ace" or words to that effect, and there is a neat gold oval decal proclaiming, "Chromium molybdenum tubing and H-M (High manganese?) forks and stays." The easiest way to tell it's something special is to pick up a normal English 3-speed and then pick up the R-R-A. It weighs 25 lb, with full fenders, saddlebag, and normal 26 X 1-3/8 Endrick rims (I need to find some decent EA.1 26 X 1-1/4 Endricks). My "normal" bikes weigh about 35 lb.
Thanks for your info, Chris.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas Odometer posted by: Evileye on 3/7/2002 at 4:20:15 AM
I have a Raleigh with a Lucas odometer that mounts on the right side of the front hub axle. There is one nipple on the spoke that turns the odometer gear teeth forward. My question is how many nipple are required, only one? and how do I remove this odometer nipple, or is it permanantly attached to the spoke?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas Odometer posted by Sheldon Brown on 3/7/2002 at 4:44:18 AM
Just one striker is needed.

There is/was a screw that holds it to the spoke. The head is opposite the striker pin, but it sounds as if the screw head may have been busted off of yours, if it isn't obvious.

All the best,


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas Odometer posted by Evileye on 3/7/2002 at 3:39:15 PM
Sheldon, Thanks for responding to my email ,as well as, this post. The reason that I asked this question regarding the nipple of the odometer is that on my first inspection it looks like the nipple end opposite the striker is either a very small allen head, or a rivet type.
I was also wondering if it reads in miles or kilometres, since I'm a Canadian. Also, this odometer is very quiet and smooth turning, too.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas Odometer posted by Christopher on 3/7/2002 at 3:58:54 PM
It's miles, right?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   It Never Fails posted by: JimW. on 3/7/2002 at 3:43:00 AM
I've had my '73 Schwinn Continental for about 2 years. With the 27" wheels, the top tube comes to about an inch higher than my wedding tackle, when standing. I'm getting a little too venerable for gymnastic flying dismounts, so I knew I was going to break something eventually. Plus, it was taking up valuable floor space in my studio and I was tired of barking my shins on the pedal as I inched around it. This studio is 10'X 24' and has about 4 complete bikes in it, and three frames for works in progress, plus all the stuff to fit them out hanging all over the place.

So, this afternoon I decided to pump up its tires and take it to my LBS and see if Emey could sell it for me on consignment. I couldn't bear to strip it and box up the components for a future project, because it's so pretty in baby blue with matching NOS bar tape I found for it last year.

So, I load it in my freight elevator and go down to the street level. Planning to walk it over to Emey's because I wasn't feeling particularly lucky enough to ride it over, at the time.

There's a bum who's been camping out on the sidewalk next to our freight entrance. He's there snoozing, wrapped in a furniture pad, with a grocery cart and a bike beside him. He's got a sign on it-Bike For Sale $12 (back tire needs work) It was kind of odd looking. It had been sort of hybridized. It had some sort of MTB straight bars on it, and knobby tires. But the basic bike was a 26" 3-speed English Sports model of some sort. I took a look at the hocky-stick chain guard and noticed that the decals were in perfect shape. It said Phillips Master Brand. The rest of the frame was in nice shape with good paint. They guy had the saddle off and tucked away somewhere, but I imagine it was the original one- Brooks, I suppose. I believe it was missing the rear mudguard, but the front one was there, and in good shape. Pretty intriguing. Then I headed for Emey's with the blue Connie. I didn't stop and buy the Phillips on the way back. I was bound and determined that I was going to have at least one day of relief from barking my shins on those bloody pedals. Maybe I'll see if I can resist for a week.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark on 3/7/2002 at 3:38:48 AM
Check this out, and go for it NOW!
Could be YOUR chance to own one of these.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 3/7/2002 at 2:33:00 AM
Well I have to say I'm stunned. I found a very nice gentleman with a New Old Stock DL-1 "Tourist"(supposedly hung in the shop for the last 15-20 years), and although it wasn't cheap I bought it, and I don't know what to think.I never expected to own a NEW DL-1, especially in my size(it's the large frame model) I had one almost like this that I recently sold because it was too small for me. I'm actualy a little affraid to ride it. It makes my old bike, which until today I thought was pretty nice, look like a piece of crap! I have no idea how I found this bike, but everyone who thinks there are no new ones out there should look all the harder, 'cause they are! Unless you have one of these, you all have no idea how nice they look new!
I may have to sell my old bikes, so let me know if anyone's interested.